Hey kikeworshipping demons. Your fake sheet would show significant distortion if it was wrapped around a real human body, not like it came from a photo print.. The forgers cared more about the effect on 90iq dullards than real physics. Your kike has been a scourge on this planet since he was dreamed up to collapse Rome and be the Che Guevara/Karl Marx/George Floyd. Fuck you. Delusional kike commie con artists.
>>538292922How does that disapprove anything? It just one guy that likes cherry
>>538292922>covered in blood samples showing signs of someone who suffered extreme torture and blood loss>feet covered in Jerusalem limestone>embedded pollen from area of Levant>linen samples matching ones found at Siege of Masada ~60 AD>2 micrometer thick 3 dimensional imprint on topmost surface layers of linen, that when topographized literally just look like a photograph, far beyond the capabilities of any Renaissance, much less Antiquity, artist to recreate>entire history of Shroud lines up with history of Image of Edessa from the classical east, right down to obscure, tiny details such as specific patterns of burn holes appearing in other Orthodox renditions in the 11th, 9th, earlier centuries. refuting the initial dating to medieval times>early fragments of apocryphal writings quoted by Church Fathers as far back as 200 AD reference Jesus's burial shroud actually being given and moved around by the Church before being hidden and kept safe, establishing historical awareness/precedent of the artifact>the earliest Orthodox icons of Jesus line up exactly with the facial features of the Shroud; the Orthodox icon still used today of Jesus's face lines up exactly with when the original image of Edessa was taken out of its hiding spot and made public again in 554 >wound up being publicly known in France a century and a half after a Crusader reported seeing the shroud of Jesus in Constantinople before it disappeared in the sacking of 1204>only recreated a few years ago, in a laser lab where an incredibly intense, short burst of laser/radiation copied the already known information from the shroud to copy it>God literally took a photograph in 1st century AD so His Church would have His face for the icons
>>538292922>jesus was dreamed up
>>538292922it's funny how atheists deny Jesus but don't deny any other ancient historical figures. The first history of Cleopatra came from Plutarch and was written more than one hundred years after her death. There is more written about Jesus in the one hundred years after his death than there is written about Julius Ceasar. Why don't atheists deny Cleopatra or Julius Ceasar existed?
>>538292922>demonsit is the pagans who call their own gods demons- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daimon
>>538292922>kike worshipping we do not worship kikes, we rebuke them
>>538292922>90iqthe scientists in your science books are christians
>>538292922>jesus was a kikethe word kike is in reference to people who hate jesus
>>538292922>was jesus a jew jesus's Y chromosome comes from the fatherand he wasn't a talmudic kabbalist either (books which weren't written until 600 years after Christ)>"Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” Then [the jews] took up stones to [kill] Him [...]"- John 48-49he's not "a jew", he's god
>rome fell because of christianityrome was officially christian in 380 ADthey were so successful that they had to voluntarily split the empire in east and west in 395 ADwhen the western half fell, in 410 AD, it was not to pagans, but to germanic christians (arianism denomination)- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaric_Iseveral other nations were also rome, france under charlemagne when he was crowned roman emperor, the germans had the holy roman empire, the russians and others also claim to be the third rome, frankly even the usa i'm pretty sureso to say that rome at it's height was pagan is absurd, when rome is alive to this very day
>>538292922>Che Guevara/Karl Marx/commiechristianity is the definition of right wind political ideology- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum#Origins_in_the_French_Revolutionthat is to say, the monarchists who fought communim in russia and elsewhere
>>538292922>floyd
>>538292922- https://rumble.com/v70fnss-st.-pauls-cathedral-from-glorious-to-groveling.html
>>538292922anyone who believes Shroud is real is a moron and should be stripped from any and all certification. many have explained including forger himself that it was early photography attempts by painting negative on a sun facing window and then covering window from inside with a cloth for an hour or so a day for exposure.
>>538292922>guaranteed reliefWell there we have it.
this is what Jesus looked like according to an AI analysis of the Shroud of Turin, doesn't look "low relief" to me
>>538293595there's the claim that jesus existed, which is debatable, but few would argue beyond doubt that he didn't. then there's the whole son of god and immaculate conception thing
>>538292922oh man, you got that kike Tsani seething. lmao
>>538292922Why are you browsing the internet with ads you dumb nigger?
>>538294752>including forger himselfIt was a claim of an anonymous person claiming to have forged it and doesn't explain several items described in >>538293524
>>538293555This image did a lot to convince me to give Christianity a chance, keep posting it.
>godless heathen satan loving atheists discover another pilpul to pull some bullshituh-uh, and the sky is blue
>>538295800DaVinci is literally the forger, retard. it's all in his codexes
>>538292922>study suggests
>1PBTID>Hates the saviour of mankindHit the bricks heathen. Nobody cares about your faggoty psy-op.
>>538293595Just embrance Fomenko's Chronology
>>538295929Not even the carbon dating supports that theory.
>>538292922woah, this dead jew on a stick substory is entirely fabricated, I didn't see that coming
>>538292922You fags can't stop seething over the miracle of the shroud. You do know there is a million dollar reward for anyone that can reproduce the shroud, right? If it's fake (it's not) then do it, faggot.
>>538292922go fuck the goats achmed kek
>>538292922>Saaaaar! I did science! You stupid now! Kys you bangladeshi ratI can't wait until bongs grow balls big enough to cure your faggotry with a piece of rebar.
>>538293595It's not so much a case of atheism as it is that there are no contemporary historical records, which is unusual given that we have contemporary historical records of many of the main characters from that era and prior to that era. Given his accomplishments and what would appear to be a very high public noticeability - why are the first mentions of him only made well after his 'death'?
>>538292922What christcucks never seem to notice is that it's the only shroud like that. Almost like it was faked....Or was there literally never another murdered person wrapped for burial, ever?
>>538295967>Heh, oh you have a study? Well I'll have you know we have a book that is clearly plagiarized from older fairy tales, then clearly mistranslated several times, then obviously edited several more times, then branched into 50 different versions that none of us agree on. Beat THAT!
>>538292922No christians are looking for physical evidence of the proof of god. This is retarded
>>538293639It is astounding how difficult it is for some people to wrap their heads around this. "Jews" from 2000 years ago no longer exist. There are no Pharisees any more. Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD, as Christ foretold and the population dispersed and became a mongrelized and Godless people who created a new religion that revolves around hating Christ (rejecting God)
>>538292922It would be distorted if it was supposed to be Jesus' body covered in paint and then draped in the cloth. Except that's not what it is at all. It's a top perspective 2D snapshot of the intense UV radiation of Jesus ascending.
>>538296683lol, retard believes in carbon dating. I take rock I dug out from deep inside of a mountain, use modern carving instruments to shape it into a penis. retard op runs it thru carbon dating and tells me it's actually a dildo from million years ago
>>538295967its worse than it, its a comparison of 2 computer models, its fucking retarded lol
>>538295364>doesnt understand OP>ai slop>this is my godPottery
huh I would have thought we knew it was a fake when the group that faked it said as such.
>>538292922Fun fact:a Polish commie kike, I forgot the name but I can dig it up if anybody is interested, was the top activist behind the whole "it was a sculpture and it can be easily recreated today".
>>538292922They always present theories as if they were facts when it comes to bashing Christians.
>>538292922The 3D (((expert))) claiming it's fake is a fraud himself.>Muh drapes in 3D work differently>So it has to be fakeWhat a faggot>>538293524This.
>>538292922why has no one been able to make a duplicate of the forgery thenwhat method did they use?
>>538292922you assume that God himself has to play by your ruleswho said the shroud couldn't become straightened and then irradiated? or that wathever caused it had to go in certain direction from a certain point?and I'm not even claiming that the shroud is real. It's just really not a good argument
>>538293639You worship the god known as Yahweh. Yahweh is the God Jesus worshipped and by no coincidence is the same God that Judaism worships. Whether some random hebrew carpenter was the divine son of God does not refute this. No amount of pointing fingers at which Jews are the Jews mentioned by Jesus or who the real Jews are according to a dozen Jews who claimed to follow around the carpenter will change the fact that your mind has been permanently closed off from accessing further lines of thought due to your own folly. You're likely a poorly paid Christian propagandist/apologist anyway. I'd be ashamed if you did it for free.
uh I just saw a study and report that deeboonks you so,heh.
>>538292922## Part 1: Academic Rebuttal & Fabric ErrorsA peer-reviewed scientific rebuttal in Archaeometry by Tristan Casabianca, Emanuela Marinelli, and Alessandro Piana dismantled Cícero Moraes’ 3D-modeling study. Experts cited severe methodological flaws, historical inaccuracies, and a total disregard for established forensic data.Moraes assumed the image was made by pressing cloth onto a heated or pigmented low-relief statue. Critics rejected this due to basic physics and material science errors:* The Fabric Material Error: Moraes modeled the cloth as "generic cotton" in his digital simulator. The Shroud of Turin is actually ancient linen woven in a tight 3-to-1 herringbone pattern. Cotton and linen have completely different drape dynamics, structural stiffness, and stretching behaviors when wrapped.* Complete Lack of Pigments: Decades of physical data, notably from the 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP), proved the image contains zero paint, dye, ink, pigment, or artificial binders.* Superficial Chemistry: The image is actually a micro-thin oxidation, dehydration, and conjugation of the polysaccharide outer layer of the flax cellulose fibers. This chemical change penetrates less than a few micrometers deep. It is impossible to recreate this specific chemical degradation by pressing fabric against a carved, heated, or painted bas-relief sculpture.
>>538292922>computer modelinglike the ones that predicted your country would be atlantis by now?
>>538292922## Part 2: Forensic Blood Evidence OmissionOne of the most heavily criticized aspects of Moraes’ study was his complete omission of the bloodstains. Forensic hematologists and biochemists have established a strict, immutable chronological timeline on the cloth:* Blood Before Image: Forensic analysis shows that the real human blood (type AB) was transferred to the linen fabric first, completely soaking through the threads via direct contact with a wounded body.* The Shadow Effect: Crucially, there is absolutely no body image encoded underneath the bloodstains. The blood acted as a physical shield. The mysterious process that yellowed the linen fibers occurred after the blood was already present.* Layering Anomaly: If an artist had pressed the cloth against a heated or painted low-relief statue as Moraes suggests, the pigment or scorch marks would be found layered over or mixed with the blood channels. By ignoring the blood data, Moraes modeled a scenario that is physically impossible based on the artifact's actual forensic layers.
>>538296757Someone needs to excommunicate the Pope for heresy.
>>538292922## Part 3: The Geometric Distortion ParadoxMoraes' paper argued that wrapping cloth around a real 3D human body results in severe lateral distortions (like an artificially widened face) when flattened out. Because the Shroud of Turin displays a perfectly proportioned, photorealistic flat projection, Moraes claimed it must have been pressed against a flatter, low-relief matrix instead.Secular critics and physicists pointed out that this comparison commits a massive logical error that actually supports the shroud's realism:* The Radiation Parameter: By proving that a wrapped cloth cannot create the shroud's undistorted image via simple 3D skin-to-cloth physical contact, Moraes mathematically eliminated basic contact as the mechanism of image formation.* Orthogonal Projection: The lack of wrap-distortion proves that the image was encoded onto the linen via an orthogonal (completely vertical and parallel) directional projection.* Accidental Proof: Rather than proving medieval forgery, Moraes’ data accidentally confirmed what physicists have long asserted: the shroud's image acts like a photographic negative projected vertically through the cloth without wrapping distortion, a phenomenon entirely inconsistent with a medieval artist wrapping fabric over a statue.Watch the masonic jew thread disappear now... in 3... 2... 1SAY IT WITH MECHRIST IS KING!
>>538298318The Holy Trinity has nothing to do with the jewish tribal religion. Jews themselves failed to live up to their own tribal religion btw. The fall of ancient Israel speaks for itself.
>>538292922## Part 4: Academic Fallacy and Peer IsolationThe scientific community's rejection culminated in a formal academic isolation of the study:* Art History Fallacy: Moraes cited unrelated art spanning various centuries to justify medieval execution of this projection. Casabianca, Marinelli, and Piana flagged this as a "compositional fallacy". The imagery deviates so completely from medieval frameworks that the historical experts Moraes cited actually believed it could not have been fabricated in 14th-century France.* Selective Citation: Secular critics noted that Moraes engaged in confirmation bias. His paper ignored dozens of peer-reviewed laboratory papers supporting the shroud’s unique physical properties, strictly referencing non-peer-reviewed popular opinions that aligned with his forgery thesis.* The "Strictly Methodological" Retreat: When forced to defend his paper against the dismantling in Archaeometry, Moraes retreated from his sweeping claims. In his official defense, he downplayed his study as a "strictly methodological" exercise in 3D shape manipulation. He conceded that his digital models entirely ignored the physical, chemical, and forensic realities of the cloth, rendering his conclusions irrelevant to the actual artifact.
>>538298496>Jews themselves failed to live up to their own tribal religion btw.The entire Old Testament is testament (lol) to how the ancient Israelites suck at keeping the law.
>>538292922## Part 5: Summary of Academic RebuttalThe academic consensus published in Archaeometry concluded that Moraes' paper relied on "ambiguous aims, methodological flaws, and fallacious reasoning". By choosing to invert anatomy for visual convenience, omitting the entire dorsal (back) image, using the wrong textile material, and refusing to account for the actual chemistry of the cloth, the study was rejected as a superficial exercise in digital graphics rather than authentic forensic science.Keep trying to disprove in God's Son and end up just like your hero Justinian the Apostate, pathetic delusional pagans. Repent or be consumed by the fires of His righteous wrath.
>>538293524It's actually the lengths soientists have gone to to disprove the shroud of turin that sometimes makes me think there might be something to it
>>538298053The supposed self-professed forger you mentioned in your first post would have died before DaVicinci was alive too.Remember to tip your fedora on the way out.
>>538292922Kike thread.
never seen Christians so buthurt about a piece of cloth proven to be a fake lmaoooo
>>538298768TRUST THE SCIENCE, CHUD!
You can believe Jesus was a real live human being with out the religious part.
>>538293524You forgot to mention multiple secular atheist scientists have confirmed with ultraviolet lasers it would take 38billion-38trillion watts of energy (the entire power grid of modern human civilization focused at once) to produce the negative photo-like imprint that only singed the topical later of the cells about .002mm thick. This is a topic the antichrist and his minions fear tremendously in the end of days. Buckle up, brothers. You have just joined the winning side.
>>538292922>>let's study the shroud>>lays shroud on sculpture >>hmm, looks right. Now for a real body>>kills rando>>nope, doesn't work
>>538292922Jesus came and turned the Jewish world upsidedown. I gladly worship Jesus because He is my savior and God. The Jews, like the one that made this post, missed their messiah. They PAINFULLY missed all of the signs that were there, and they'll make posts like this one that STILL try to refute Jesus as their messiah. Read the book of John and if by the time you're done you still think Jesus didn't come to completely turn the Jewish system on its head then read it again. Jesus provides grace to the gentile and the tribulation that is about to happen is for the Jews. The age of grace is almost over but there is still time (not much at all) to get alone, talk to Jesus, and ask Him to be in your life and be your savior.
>>538299083A real human being who produced a .002mm thick singed imprint on the topical layer of one cell with an estimated 38,000,000,000-38,000,000,000,000W of pure energy (equivalent to all energy of Western Civilization focused at once) 2,000 years ago after dying... or... what was your point exactly, other than that you have no idea what you're talking about like every other smug deluded pseudointellectual atheist embarrassing themselves in this thread until the satanist jewmason jannies come and bail them out by entirely deleting the thread?
>>538293048It doesn't. He actually further proved it was real by accident, due to tremendous scientific illiteracy, blind hubris, and abject stupidity.
>>538295846It isn't about the image. It's about the scientific facts and anomalies surrounding it. Countless PhD holders have already become Christian, because this undoubtedly proves not only that Jesus exists, but that He incontrovertibly has powers beyond the scope of what any human being can ever replicate or even explain. Forgery proponents also ignore 250 points of geometric symmetry (an undenjable forensic match) with the Mandylion of Edessa from the 7th century. Medieval forgery is mathematically, chronologically, and forensically impossible. To claim otherwise is objective ignorance and nothing short of total illiteracy on the topic. This is not even open for debate at this point at all. It is completely proven. Stand in awe.It is finished.
>>538293731You are awakening, brother. We are many now. I feel His Power in you, the same power of the Ressurection that photographed our sweet King for us. Welcome to the fold.
>>538293762Arianists are heretics who deny the Trinity and Divinity of Christ. They are not a denomination of Christianity, but an accursed false gospel of satan. Be careful.
>>538294752>ad hominemReply to one of my posts with such audacity, smug delusional pseudointellectual godless little coward and hesthen.
>>538292922ya they said the 30 yers ago
>>538295624Explain how the image on the Shroud of Turin exists. Our explanation is simple. He was raised a spiritual body in the third day and it was from the glorious Light of the Resurrection. You have no answer, pretender. Be silent and be taught, little posturing child.
>>538292922was the expert Snopes by chance?
>>538295929So did Davinci also invent time travel and create the Mandylion of Edessa in the 7th century as well? Or why is it a perfect forensic match with 250 points of geometric symmetry? You convict murderers with around a quarter of that. Be silent, fool.
>>538299863>triggered by moron which was part of statement a jew can't help themselves and associate every "ad hominem" to themselves. I'm shocked you didn't call me antizionist
>>538300033so when is shroud from? can you show evidence that it came from year jesus was supposedly crucified? TRUST THE SCIENCE, GOY!
>>538298053Explain how the .002mm negative photograph exists only the topical layer of a single cell of the fiber and why secular atheist scientists with ultraviolet rays freely concede it would take 38 billion-38 trillion watts of power (all of modern humanity's collective power focused at once) to produce an image like this then. You aren't remotely intelligent. What a deluded prideful embarrassment you are. Feeble-minded and infantile.
>>538299933>little posturing child.Ok Patrick Tomlinson.
>>538298034Yes the person who did this is being ridiculef and mocked by his own fellow skeptics for his amateurish stupidity and complete illiteracy about the shroud. The fact that someone posted this thinking it was some kind of an own is actually hilarious, ironic, and totally God's exact sense of humor. Jesus is so funny, bros. I love Him so much. Laughing at smug faux intellectual 2010 reddit fedora people is so fun. (I used to be one of you, though. Come. Be one of us now. You know you want to... Don't you want real eternal objective Truth on your side, instead of lies, chaos, insanity, darkness, and idiocy?)
https://www.dailymail.com/sciencetech/article-13758359/scientists-discovery-jesus-cloth-buried-shroud-turin.htmlScientists claim the Turin Shroud can be dated back to the time of Jesus' lifeA Wide-Angle X-ray scattering technique was used to re-date the shroud
>>538300204can you provide actually proof for all of your claims vs parroting some shit you heard on ANCIENT ALIENS goyTV
>>538298318>"just say the word jews over and over again so they renounce Christ and the demons our masonic jewish masters worship can attack them!"Lmao. You're glowing from orbit at elgin airbase seargent rodriguezberg.
>>538298732Read my posts and Bulgaria's posts. We are the current ringleaders.
>>538292922Jewish burial practice was to tightly bind the body in the shroud. How fabric "drapes" is utterly irrelevant. This is retarded.
>>538292922>Brazilian expertso a 70 iq witch dr? ok yea sure why not believe that
>>538299452And, yet, you cannot actually back up your dumb statement
>>538299664>Mandylion of Edessa from the 7th century. Can you post it?
>>538300087Why would I not associate it with myself when it is directed explicitly at "anyone who believes in the authenticity of the shroud", you contemptible ignoramus lacking any and all self-awareness?
## Part 1: Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering (WAXS) DataIn studies published in Heritage, Dr. Liberato De Caro at Italy's Institute of Crystallography used Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering (WAXS) to analyze the shroud. This non-destructive method measures the natural molecular decay of flax cellulose over centuries. [1] The WAXS profiles of the Shroud of Turin revealed structural degradation that did not match medieval fabrics. Instead, the data proved the cloth's cellulose breakdown is a near-perfect match with a historic linen control sample securely dated to A.D. 55–74, which was recovered from the ancient siege of Masada in Israel. [2] The structural decay places the fabric's origin roughly 20 centuries ago, assuming it was kept at an average room temperature of ~22°C (71.6°F) and 55% relative humidity for its first 1,300 years before moving to Europe's cooler climate.
>>538300179## Part 2: Comparative Fabric ParallelsBeyond X-ray structural decay, textile historians have proven that the physical characteristics, dimensions, and weaving anomalies of the Shroud of Turin align exclusively with rare, elite fabric production from antiquity, rather than medieval Europe:* The Masada Stitch: Textile archaeologist Mechthild Flury-Lemberg discovered a highly unique seam stitch used to attach the side strip to the main cloth. This exact sewing pattern is identical to stitching found on ancient Jewish textiles excavated at the Palace of Herod at Masada, destroyed in A.D. 73. This precise sewing method is entirely unknown in medieval European tailoring.* Dimensions in Ancient Cubits: When measured using modern metric or imperial systems, the shroud’s dimensions seem random (4.4 by 1.1 meters). However, when converted to the historic Assyrian cubit—the standard manufacturing measurement used in the Roman-era Near East during the first century—the cloth measures exactly 8 by 2 cubits. This proves the loom it was woven on was calibrated to ancient Syrian-Judean market standards.* Ancient Luxury Material: Textile experts note that the Shroud of Turin's pure linen material and complex 3-to-1 herringbone weave perfectly mirror luxury fabrics produced in the 1st-century Roman Empire, specifically matching the description of an expensive, clean linen sheet purchased by a wealthy individual in antiquity.
>>538300548the fact that you believe shroud is as real as goy science claim is enough details for me to prompt any further discussion with you. I bet you believe that foreskin kept in a jar is actually Jesus's snipped dick. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Prepuce
>>538300179## Part 3: Architectural and Archeological Control SamplesTo definitively calibrate the structural degradation data of the shroud, Dr. De Caro's team at the Institute of Crystallography compared it against an array of ancient control fabrics with ironclad, verifiable historical dates: [1, 2] * Ancient Israel Control (A.D. 55–74): The direct structural baseline for the shroud was a linen fragment excavated from the fortress of Masada. This linen was physically preserved by the hyper-arid climate of the Dead Sea region. Its molecular cellulose breakdown perfectly matches the structural fingerprint of the Shroud of Turin. [2] * Fayum Egyptian Control (200 B.C.–A.D. 100): Researchers tested linen cloth wrapped around a mummified body from the Fayum region of Egypt. The structural aging curves of these Ptolemaic and early Roman-era linens aligned seamlessly with the degradation found in the shroud's flax fibers.* Qumran Cave Textiles (1st Century A.D.): Additional comparative structural profiles were run on pure linen wrappers recovered from the Dead Sea Scroll caves at Qumran. These linens share the exact same structural decay, yarn twist mechanics, and chemical composition as the shroud's main body, providing a tightly clustered regional baseline for first-century textile aging.[1] [https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov](https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7597180/)[2] [https://www.mdpi.com](https://www.mdpi.com/2571-9408/5/2/47)
>>538300087## Part 4: Comparative X-Ray Aging ProfilesTo validate the reliability of the Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering (WAXS) dating method, Dr. De Caro’s team tested the Shroud of Turin directly against multiple historical linen control samples. Each control fabric had a confirmed age verified by standard archaeological and historical records: [1, 2] * A.D. 55–74 Masada Linen: Excised from the historic fortress of Masada in Israel. This fabric sat undisturbed since the Roman siege. Its X-ray diffraction profile mapped out an almost identical level of natural polymer breakdown to the shroud. [2, 3] * 1000 B.C. Egyptian Mummy Linen: Taken from a verified ancient Egyptian tomb. The cellulose strands in this fabric showed much greater structural collapse and crystallization loss due to its older age, positioning the shroud significantly later chronologically than pharaonic Egypt.* Medieval European Controls (A.D. 1300–1400): Tested against linens explicitly manufactured in Europe during the 14th century. These medieval fabrics showed remarkably fresh, highly organized cellulose structures with minimal aging decay, proving that the shroud's material cannot naturally belong to the late Middle Ages. [4] The comparative matrix firmly clustered the shroud within a tight chronological curve representing the first century. [2] [1] [https://aleteia.org](https://aleteia.org/2024/08/24/new-study-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/)[2] [https://www.jpost.com](https://www.jpost.com/archaeology/archaeology-around-the-world/article-844438)[3] [https://relevantmagazine.com](https://relevantmagazine.com/culture/scientists-now-think-the-shroud-of-turin-could-actually-be-linked-to-jesus/)[4] [https://www.iflscience.com](https://www.iflscience.com/whats-going-on-with-the-shroud-of-turin-75707)
>>538300179## Part 5: Specific 1st-Century Control Samples Matched By WAXSTo validate the 2,000-year timeline, Dr. De Caro’s team at Italy's Institute of Crystallography tested the Shroud of Turin's Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering (WAXS) profile directly against nine distinct historical textile control samples. Three specific first-century fabrics emerged as structurally identical matches: [1, 2] * A.D. 55–74 Siege of Masada Linen: This fabric fragment was excavated from the historic Judean fortress of Masada. Preserved by Israel's hyper-arid Dead Sea climate, its molecular cellulose breakdown and structural polymer crystalline chain integrity mapped an exact mathematical match to the shroud. [3, 4] * 1st-Century Qumran Cave Linens: Pure linen wrappers recovered from the Dead Sea Scroll caves at Qumran were run through the X-ray diffraction matrix. These textiles share the exact same structural aging curves, thread density degradation, yarn twist mechanics, and chemical composition as the shroud's main body, providing a localized, regional baseline for first-century textile aging.* Fayum Egyptian Linen (200 B.C.–A.D. 100): Researchers tested linen cloth wrapped around a mummified body from the Fayum region of Egypt. The natural polymer degradation and structural aging curves of this early Roman-era linen aligned seamlessly with the degradation found in the shroud's flax fibers.The comparative structural matrix firmly clustered the shroud within this tight historical group, proving its cellulose cannot naturally belong to the late Middle Ages. [5]
>>538300742lol, imagine being this gullible. Hey, I've got dried up load that jesus splattered on Mary's belly few weeks before she concieved. I'll sell it to you for just 1btc
>>538300087## Part 6: The Mechanical Integrity of the Linen ThreadsThe long-term conservation data of the shroud’s cellulose fibers confirms that its structural behavior is fundamentally incompatible with a 14th-century origin:* Tensile Strength Loss: Over centuries, the long chain-like polymers of flax cellulose break down due to ambient humidity, thermal changes, and natural background radiation. Mechanical stress tests conducted on individual shroud threads revealed a high degree of brittleness and a significant loss of tensile strength. This structural fatigue perfectly matches the physical properties observed in ancient 2,000-year-old linens, whereas medieval linens retain significantly higher elasticity and resistance to mechanical stress.* The Crystallinity Index: As linen ages, the amorphous regions of its cellulose chains degrade faster than the crystalline regions, altering the fabric's overall "crystallinity index." When the shroud's X-ray diffraction patterns were evaluated to calculate this index, the ratio of crystalline-to-amorphous cellulose aligned precisely with the slow, multi-millennial decay curve of antiquity. For the shroud to be medieval and display this specific index, it would have had to be stored in extraordinarily destructive, highly heated environments that would have physically scorched or destroyed the fabric entirely.
>>538300424You might be more far gone than a tranny holy fuck
>>538300179## Part 7: Limestone Residue and Regional FingerprintsMicroscopic and chemical data collected from the Shroud of Turin provide an exact regional match to first-century Jerusalem, independent of the textile's physical aging:* Travertine Aragonite Limestone: In 1978, scientists utilizing scanning electron microscopy discovered microscopic crystalline dust adhering to the foot area of the shroud. Optical and chemical analysis identified this substance as travertine aragonite limestone.* The Jerusalem Signature: This specific isotopic variety of aragonite limestone contains distinct trace levels of strontium and iron. Samples taken from the shroud were run through a spectrophotometer and compared to limestone collected from various locations around the world. The shroud's limestone dust provided an exact chemical match to samples taken specifically from the ancient tombs of Jerusalem.* Absence in Europe: Travertine aragonite with this precise chemical and mineralogical signature does not naturally occur in France or Italy, where the shroud's medieval history is documented. The presence of this unique regional dust ingrained within the bottom fibers of the cloth serves as a physical fingerprint, placing the textile directly inside a first-century Judean rock-cut tomb.
>>538300838>>538300796>>538300772>>538300742>>538300705my goyGPT told me so with footnotes so it must be real
>>538299208Can I get a more thorough explanation on what that actually means?
>>538300179## Part 8: The Total Multi-Sample Verification CurveThe [final published data from the Institute of Crystallography](https://www.dsctm.cnr.it/images/Highlights/Sindone/DeCaro_Heritage_2022.pdf) mapped out an experimental matrix comparing the shroud against numerous control samples across historical eras: [1, 2] * Ancient Israel Baseline (A.D. 55–74): Excised from the historic fortress of Masada. This fabric sat undisturbed since the Roman siege, serving as the core mathematical reference point. [2] * Ptolemaic/Roman Egypt (200 B.C.–A.D. 100): Linens extracted from documented mummy burials in Fayum, Egypt. Their X-ray degradation index sat perfectly parallel to the shroud.* Medieval European Controls (A.D. 1300–1400): Linens explicitly manufactured in Europe during the 14th century. These medieval fabrics showed fresh, highly organized cellulose structures with minimal aging decay, entirely separating them from the highly degraded state of the shroud fabric. [1] The comparative matrix firmly clustered the shroud within a tight chronological curve representing the first century. [2, 3]
>>538300179## Part 9: Summary of First-Century Structural AlignmentThe total scientific profile of the Shroud of Turin relies on overlapping disciplines to establish its timeline:* Molecular Alignment: Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering (WAXS) proves the natural molecular decay of the shroud's flax cellulose is a near-perfect match with authentic 1st-century linens from Masada, Qumran, and Fayum, while completely diverging from the structural freshness of 14th-century medieval control samples.* Archaeological Consistency: The unique 3-to-1 herringbone weave, the specific dimensional mapping using ancient Assyrian cubits (8x2 cubits), and the specialized invisible side-seam stitch match exclusive high-status fabric production parameters from the Roman-era Near East.* Geological Fingerprinting: The chemical discovery of travertine aragonite limestone dust heavily concentrated on the foot area of the cloth shares an exact isotopic signature with the rock-cut tombs of Jerusalem, placing the origin of the textile directly within ancient Judea.
>>538300179## Part 10: Conclusion of Scientific AlignmentThe multi-disciplinary data gathered by forensic, textile, and X-ray scientists establishes a highly consistent, verifiable baseline for the Shroud of Turin:* Rejection of the Forgery Thesis: The combined evidence from Wide-Angle X-Ray Scattering (WAXS), ancient textile comparisons, and geographic limestone tracking completely invalidates the premise of a medieval artist creating the shroud.* The Inadvertent Proof: Digital and physical modeling attempts—such as the recent Brazilian simulation—fail precisely because they cannot account for this intricate web of ancient parameters. By proving that 3D contact cannot recreate the shroud's lack of wrap-distortion, these studies accidentally validate the necessity of a vertical, directional image-recording process.* A First-Century Artifact: From its molecular cellulose breakdown matching Masada relics, to its dimensions cut in ancient cubits, and the specific Jerusalem limestone embedded in its fibers, the actual physical artifact remains rooted exclusively in first-century Judea.
>>538292922>Hey kikeworshipping demons.No one will respect you until you learn to show respect first. Every single one of your kind are like this.
>>538292922Maybe God enjoys trolling atheists. Here's an artifact with two equally absurd explanations...
>>538300399## Part 1: The Empirical Data from ENEAThe calculation regarding vacuum ultraviolet (VUV) radiation energy was not a speculative theory from a television show. It was the result of empirical laser laboratory experiments conducted by secular physicists at Italy’s National Agency for New Technologies, Energy and Sustainable Economic Development (ENEA) in Frascati.* The Scientific Publication: The findings were published in the peer-reviewed journal Applied Optics and formal ENEA technical reports led by chief researcher Dr. Paolo Di Lazzaro.* The Laser Experiment: The ENEA physicists used specialized excimer lasers to test how to replicate the micro-thin, superficial yellowing of the shroud's outermost linen fibers without burning, melting, or scorching the cloth underneath.* The Energy Calculation: They discovered that the unique chemical coloration could only be achieved by an ultra-short pulse of directional ultraviolet radiation lasting less than one forty-billionth of a second.* The Power Requirement: To encode the full human-sized image simultaneously using this mechanism, the required peak power of the radiation pulse calculates to 34 billion watts (34,000,000,000 W).* The Secular Conclusion: The ENEA scientists explicitly stated in their peer-reviewed papers that this level of VUV laser power did not exist in the Middle Ages. Even today, replicating the entire image simultaneously would require a modern laser apparatus of immense, impractical proportions.
>>538300399## Part 2: Why the Counterargument is Rhetorically DeficientThe dismissal of this peer-reviewed laboratory data as "Ancient Aliens pop-TV" represents a total collapse of critical reasoning and logical argumentation.* The Fallacy of Bulverism: Instead of addressing the mathematical calculations, laser wavelength data, or chemical fiber analysis published by ENEA, the critic invents a fictional source to mock. This is a textbook logical fallacy: attacking an imaginary origin rather than refuting the actual academic papers.* Failure of Basic Literacy: Confusing a formal laboratory report from a national energy research institute with entertainment television indicates the critic has not read the scientific literature on the topic. Dismissing hard laboratory data because one is personally ignorant of its existence is an infantile form of skepticism.* Intellectual Laziness: True secular skepticism requires looking at the raw data—such as the exact ultraviolet wavelengths and fiber penetration depths measured under microscopes—and providing an alternative chemical or physical mechanism that works. Resorting to internet slang and insults is a defense mechanism used when a person lacks the scientific literacy to argue against the actual physics.
>>538300399## Part 3: The Complete Rejection of Alternative MechanismsThe ENEA research team carefully eliminated other physical or chemical explanations before concluding that ultraviolet radiation was the closest match to the shroud's properties:* Failure of Acid and Gaseous Vapors: Critics often claim that simple chemical vapors from a decomposing body or an artistic wash could cause this reaction. The ENEA tests showed that gases or acidic vapors create uneven fiber penetration and run deep into the fabric, completely failing to match the shroud's microscopic surface limits.* The Scorching Limit: Heating a metallic relief or statue to scorch the fabric was also tested. The researchers found that thermal scorching changes the structural fluorescence of the linen differently under ultraviolet light. The Shroud of Turin does not fluoresce like a thermal scorch, meaning heat conduction is physically ruled out.* A Unique Molecular Rearrangement: The 34-billion-watt ultraviolet calculation is based on the specific energy required to break the carbon-carbon chemical bonds on the surface cellulose without destroying the thread itself. The critic's attempt to hand-wave this data ignores the fundamental laws of photochemistry that dictate exactly how much energy is needed to alter flax molecules at a sub-micron level.
>>538300918don't listen to that idiot. you can literally do that shit today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rXm75XypCQ
>>538300399## Part 4: Conclusion of the ENEA Data VerificationThe rigorous calculations and experimental models developed by Dr. Di Lazzaro's team leave no room for pop-culture dismissals:* Verifiable Peer Review: The 34-billion-watt threshold is a matter of public record in international optical science journals. It is not an unverified rumor or speculation; it is an established boundary of modern laser physics and material interaction.* The Ultimate Paradox: Dismissing the ENEA findings because they sound "unbelievable" is completely unscientific. The data shows that the only known way to recreate the exact physical and chemical traits of the shroud image today requires highly specialized, industrial-scale military and scientific lasers.* A Defeated Critique: Confronted with rigorous data, the critic's reliance on insults reveals a total lack of any real counter-evidence. The peer-reviewed science remains completely untouched by superficial internet commentary.
>>538300399## Part 5: Final Summary of Scientific ValidityThe data regarding the ultraviolet light requirements stands as a robust pillar of modern shroud research:* Empirical Baseline: The 34-billion-watt metric is a mathematically derived value based on raw laser interaction with flax fibers, not an arbitrary number.* Irrelevance of Pop Culture: Framing formal optical research from a national institute as "television fiction" is an intellectual failure that fails to change the physical parameters of the linen.* The Scientific Challenge: To successfully counter this data, an interlocutor must present a peer-reviewed paper detailing a low-energy chemical process that replicates the sub-micron, non-saturated coloring of the shroud. Until they can do so, their objections remain rhetorically feebly minded and scientifically irrelevant.The authenticity of the Shroud remains unassailable, Christians remain vindicated, and you remain ignorant. Your words are as empty as the mind that spoke them. You are of no consequence. Be quiet already
>>538301092>>538301116>>538301140>>538301173Wall of role-player cope.
>>538292922The Science changed its mind again, huh?
>>538292922>You will do greater deeds than I>Is it not written, ye are Gods? Understanding this results in the golden rule becoming common sense.
>>538301261Jesus is the same as He always was.
>>538292922Do you believe in demons? My face has been bleeding through a cut for three days now.
>>538301213imagine how supposed unchewed foreskin of jesus makes jews seethe knowing it exists
>>538292922This is an extremely circumcised post
>>538292922>1pbtid
>>538300537The original was lost but many images based on it exist. This is the oldest and most accurate one known. The forensic analysis was done by comparing it to all the known copies based on the Mandylion. In reality. though, the real Mandylion IS the Shroud. It is the only logical explanation.
>>538300528Read my posts, you dithering imbecile.
>>538298053carbon dating doesn't work on mineral matter
https://rentry.org/shroud-of-turin-27042026/
>>538300748Let me refer you to my direct documented ancestor, King Louis IX of France, then. Do you find him more agreeable, demon?
https://www.ewtnnews.com/world/us/study-claims-blood-evidence-on-shroud-of-turin-consistent-with-torture-of-christA new study from an Italian researcher that analyzes the blood on the Shroud of Turin argues that the stains are consistent with the torture and crucifixion of Jesus Christ as described in the Gospels." the bloodstains on the side and the front of the shroud show blood flowing in three different directions, indicating the likelihood that the corpse was moved at some point when wrapped in the shroud.The three distinct colors of blood on the shroud, meanwhile, suggest three “different types of blood,” which are “postmortem blood leakage” from moving the body, “premortem bloodstains” that likely occurred “when Jesus was still nailed to the cross,” and “leaks of blood serum.”Fanti’s study indicated that the stains appear to show scourge marks consistent with the scourging at the pillar and that the quantity of blood matches the amount of blood that would have resulted from the wounds described in the Gospels."
>>538301391Only the very pink tip hanging over the edge was actually removed in Jesus time and prior (brit milah). Brit periah (medical circumcision) is a 2nd century A.D. jewish invention with no connection to Christianity or any of the patriarchs of the most Holy Bible.You lose an argument and immediately start obsessing over penises? Are you sure you are really asian and not jewish?
>>538301604whole carbon dating science is jew psyop. if I dump my new iphone into a bog and then you dig it out in 10 years and test the bog for age, how can you prove iphone is not time traveling device left in a bog thousands of years ago?
>>538301381I rebuke that demon in the Name of Jesus. Send it to the abyss where it belongs.
CHRISTIANSWORSHIP JEWS
>>538301771bwahahaaha christ cucks are on par with kikes and oogga-booga-tongue-clicking-niggers
>>538300528Found the fat retarded neck beard who is obese to leave the basement
>>538301789You conceded this argument long ago Please dismiss yourself, child. Serious adults have serious matters to discuss. If you want to stay be quiet and learn something. You have neither Wisdom nor Goodness. There is nothing you can teach anyone, worthless and noisy banging cymbal!
>>538301900bwahahaha see >>538301862
>>538301862Another concession accepted. Keep rackin' 'em up there, slugger.
>1pbtid How long will you niggers fall for this propaganda? Better yet, why is it targeted mainly against Christ? I've seen Christ and used to be a "pine-tree nationalist" constantly posting infographs about "the kike on a stick" like all of you idiots. All you people know about Christ is anti-Christ propaganda and misinformed idiots. It's like taking a Jew's opinion on the National Socialists of the 1930s as gospel. You wouldn't do that. How many people do you disagree with daily about your political beliefs? You don't just think he's 100% right because he has a twitter page. No! You read the source. You read Mein Kampf or Das Kapital. So read the Bible to understand Christ. Hell, if you're still unconvinced, you now have ample knowledge to dismantle this "Jewish psyop".Let me ask you this though, if you knew Jesus Christ was really God, would you surrender to him? If so, there is always hope for you. My story and Pauls story is the same. I attacked Christians and wanted to kill them, Paul really did kill them. But both of us received a vision from Christ and both of us surrendered through his mercy alone. And both of us had to fight to convince our own people after finding this out the hard way.Being a Christian National Socialist is not an easy one. Hell, being a Christian alone isn't, but you people really are real, and it's a shame you've ran away from Christ because you don't understand his story.
>>538301898Kind of uncalled for, bro. Maybe he is that. Let's pray for him anyway, though, as our Lord commands. Do you not remember when we were all as He is? Christ is our ONLY REDEMPTION. We have NOTHING TO BOAST in but Him.
>>538301934bwahahah see >>538301862
>>538301982>But both of us received a vision from Christwhat was the vision what was the cause for the vision and conditions?
>>538301213Brit periah wasn't even practiced in Jesus' time, as I already explained, so that couldn't belong to Him or any non-pharisaic rabbinic talmudist/mesorahist. Lastly, comparing a 2,000 negative photograph that no secular scientist can replicate or even explain is the definition of a disingenuous bad faith argument. You sound like an idiot. No one is impressed by this worthless garbage insult and stupidity. Feeble-minded and infantile just like thailand, brazil.
>>5383021392,000 year old*
>>538302139comparing it to that* I meanSomeone else take over. Absorb all this knowledge God left me for you please. I don't know how much longer I have. I love you all. Good night.
Even if the shroud is authentic why should it make me worship the crucified Jew? >he’s gonna save us from what he’s gonna do to us if we don’t let him save usLet this Hebrew nonsense disappear from the earth
>>538302082I saw his face. Yes, call me a schizonigger>take meds LOLBut really and truly, he is real. I don't have schizophrenia and have never hallucinated before.But being in this thread is a cognito hazard. You know about Christ, I've posted this testimony maybe 5 times before, albeit I'm not writing the entire story again. But since you know about Christ, you have initiated a struggle between life and death, and it will be no laughing matter when you face him in death. May God show himself to you, because when I was practicing the 7 fold way, I seemed unsavable.
>>538298403Great info in all of your posts!Thank you, anon!Excellent.
>>538295364Literally me with long hair and coarse curly beard hair
>>538292922I don't care what jewish and muslim "scientists" say.
>>538302226Have a good one.Thanks for the effort posting.I wasn't aware of the x-ray analysis before.
>>538302508I asked you for details, not coping response. so you saw his face, how did you see it? was it an semi-transparent apparition, was it actual apparition as if real person standing before you? was it just a face in patterns of a wall/floor or was it full body? did it have teeth, did it move around did it spoke to you, what did it say? how do you know it was Christ that appeared to you and not something else? why did you immediately went "Yes, call me a schizonigger"
>>538297221Jesus was not somebody who would have contemporary records written about him. to non-Christians he was basically one of the many poor executed by the roman empire (at the behest of jewish leaders)however we do have non-Christian sources that corroborate his execution as described in the Gospels, within 100 years of his death. who knows if there are other records which have not been found or destroyed
>>538292922Lmao. Kikes are trying anything to try to "disprove" it. The desperation is real
>used modeling software to...I cringed
