Which is the correct rightoid path?
>>538318685Bit of both. Best societies are always ones with majority of one stock and a sustainable percentage of foreigners to allow for talent and not to be inbred trash. Modern people just never heard of balance.
>>538318685Both of these characters are ruined because of rule 34.
>>538318769I don't use r34. So, skill issue kek
>>538318817I haven't seen the rule 34 myself but yer seen some people on /pol/ talking about it.
>>538318839So you get your worldview from faceless coomer (indian let's be honest) anons?
>>538318685Putting -oid at the end of ideologies that trigger you doesn't make them wrong
>>538318884To answer your question in OP, ETH-NAT is the right choice. CIVNATS is just multiculturism but another way of saying it. These characters are what even you use to pull in posters anon.
>>538318734>and a sustainable percentage of foreigners to allow for talent and not to be inbred trash.Why would breeding within one ethnos be dysgenic? And why would you think talent is extrinsic?
>>538318916I didn't call either wrong?
>>538318685Original “ethnicity” and “nationality” were interchangeable and both meant what we’d think of today as “ethnicity” So eth Chan is correct.
>>538318948His a dumbass who has never been to a monolithic country so thinks majority white with a sprinkle of JEETS makes the best society fucking lol. The problem with that is that it never lasts. Its not even new, entire cultures and societies have been wiped out and changed by overbreeding of foriegners.
>>538318947>CIVNATS is just multiculturism but another way of saying it.This is how I feel.I saw Carl Benjamin denounce EthNats today, and firmly plant his flag with Rupert Lowe's CivNats.Can he (and those like him) not see that CivNat is just controlled opppsition?
"Nationalism" is implicitly ethnonationalism, there is no such thing as civic nationalism. That's why we have the term "nation-state", because they're two distinct things (an ethnic group and a polity corresponding to it). The root is "natio", which is Latin for "birth" or "tribe". As usual it's just progressive word games where they're trying to delegitimize and obfuscate the idea in question by redefining the term for it to mean something different
>>538319052If I recall, Rome's downfall corrolates with its rate of multiethnicism
>>538319179Yer the germans did them in, but even before that entire unique peoples were just absorbed into bigger societies and bred into extinction. It's what happens. I saw a REAL monolithic society work (Japan) and it was heaven like, probably not to work in but yer it was nice.
>>538319164Based etymology chad.I stopped googling definitions years ago. To find a word's actual meaning, look at its composite parts
>>538319222>I saw a REAL monolithic society work (Japan) and it was heaven like, probably not to work in but yer it was nicePagans are so fucking based imo.The praxis for a people born from the religion by that people that exists for that people.
>>538318685You don't have your own culture and national identity. If you are to practice nationalism it will only be centered around hating other people.
>>538318685Both are right for different countries.
>>538319333>>>538319164I don't really care for pagans anon and I don't think the average jap believes in anything, however it doesn't matter because right now its in the early stages of being JEETed. I'm gonna go back this year tho to get out of this shithole. called Australia. Need a break from it.
>>538318734t. retarded hapa monkey coping
>>538319372>You don't have your own culture and national identityWhat a jewish thing to say
>>538319403>I don't think the average jap believes in anythingOh anon...
>>538318685Loyalty to the things you have been given. For one. My loyalty belongs only to God Almighty.
>>538319424You are a subset of Anglo culture. A sub-culture, if you will.There's little difference between you and a rootless Ukrainian that formed a "national" identity around hating Russians.
>>538318685nationalism is by its foundation ethnicyou cannot have nationalism that isn't ethno nationalismthat is the entire fucking point of nationalism, you don't have nationalism if it isn't ethnicso there is no civic-nationalism, it doesn't exist, that is just liberalism wearing a mask and pretending to be nationalism
>>538319333based pagan japan is mass importing jeets while worshipping muttmerica, kys already niggerboi
>>538319383Yeah. EthNat is obviously the correct option for Fatherland countries (the country of your forefathers), but in Colonial Projects (Aus,America,NZ,Canada, etc) it is hard to impose an EthNat paradigm.
>>538319457So EthNat or CivNat?
>>538319490So CivNats are just Lefties in denial?
>>538318685Neither is as sustainable as either would hope, for entirely different and opposite reasons. Ethnonationalism is opposed by the civilizing force of nationalism, which was aimed at generalization while preserving a modicum of ethnic spirt, while meanwhile civic nationalism seeks to promote a common spirit without the blood that unites it in the most cosmic animal sense. Both attitudes are victims of history
>>538318685let's get started on the eth-nat path and then see where it takes us
>>538319545>Shigeru Ishiba, a devout Christian, made the implementation of mass immigration a key role of his government. "We all have the same Moral Heart".
>>538319702Interesting view. What do you think a third, better path, is?
>>538318947CIVNAT is monoculturalism but multi-ethnic (until everyone races mixes into brazilians)
>>538318685Only losers would be the left
>>538320108Why
>>538318685every pagancuck country today is degenerate as christian ones, why there is still jeet shills here ? go back to the sewages
>>538318685false dichotomy
>>538318685the civ-nat idea of, you can be here if you adopt our culture, is directly damaging to the eth-nat cause, since it means people start to mix. better than the civ-nat is the lefty idea that people who come here should keep their own culture, because at least then they mix less with the natives.
>>538318685If browns have Christian values than they won't cause problems for white Christians.None Christian whites are inevitably communists or some other shit along the same lines. They are just as bad as niggers.I guess if you arnt a christian the idea is a bit hard to grasp but the underlaying issues of race will disappear if all parties are faithful christians. TLDR: being a Christian means you won't act like a nigger or a communist.
You all do realize this Aussie flag is a notorious jeet who spams NAFO shit, And christian threads, and anti fascism threads
>>538320196>why there is still jeet shills here ?Ironically, brown hands typed this
>>538320356*anti christian
>>538320232How?
>>538320387Hinduism is savagery imho
>>538320356well NAFO better than being a putin simp if you're an ethnat. putin never shuts up about how their rich ethnic tapestry makes russia strong, meanwhile ukraine has the preservation of their gene pool enshrined in their constitution.
>>538318685The only form of Nationalism which is not self-refuting is Ethno/Racial Nationalism.Civic Nationalism argues that the institutions are the Nation. Anyone who adheres to the rules/laws of the institutions are members of the Nation. They assert that a magic piece of paper can transform a person from one Nation into another. This is self-defeating because institutions are the product of people, people are not the product of institutions. Without people there are no institutions. The institutions take the shape of The People. The Institutions are subverted as soon as they are placed above the people who created them, and treated as though they are separate entities. Ethno-Nationalism treats the institutions of the State as an extension of The People, because that is exactly what they are. Civic Nationalists have created a mental gymnastic routine to attempt to legitimize a State which is separate from The People who created it.You cannot have such a state without it becoming a tyranny. When the institutions are treated as above and out of reach of The People, and given extrajudicial powers over the management of The People, rather than the opposite, the end result is always a detached, deracinated clique of political managers who seek to control the masses and enforce conformity to the edicts of the machinery the People themselves gave birth toEthno Nationalism is the only worldview which does not defeat itself.
>>538320422It’s a sad sad day for you today boomer kike Mariverse status?Konstantinovka flies the Russian banner
Neither.Human civilization naturally configures itself into multi ethnic empires. The nation is real, the nationstate is fake and gay.
>>538320281The Sudaten Germans didn't mix with the native Slavs.Why not do that? Civ-Nat with soft ethnic segregation
>>538320292So you'd choose a brown christian europe over a white non christian europe?
>>538320356I'm neither Left nor brown. Soz.
>>538320401Yes. Hinduism is disgusting street shitter slop.Now, how is EthNat v CivNat a false dichotomy?
>>538318685Missing Wignat.
ai generated nationalism
>>538320435I agree entirely.So, how do we shed the current CivNat paradigm amongst the Right?
>>538320467Elaborate. I disagree HARD, but would like you to clarify your point
>>538318685Eth-nat. Unless you have an ethnic requirement for membership within a nation, you'll always get the moron trying to make exceptions that shouldn't be made. Smart people may find ironclad rules to be stifling but they're necessary to protect society from the selfish and the stupid.
"Nation" comes from the same root word as "nature" and "natal". Nationality pretty much means "race" in linguistic and historical terms.
>>538318685ethno-nationalism is a 19th century concept that has never actually worked in history, outside of city states. the historical record is one of a dominant ethnicity conquering weaker ones and forcing them to suck cock until they collapse.
>>538320569white, non-christian europe is what we have had since the 1960's. being ignorant of satans tricks or, worse, actively cavorting with demons will not lead to utopia.
>>538321092It worked perfectly fine in Canada and Australia before some rat fucker traitors got hold of our leadership positions. It should have been written in stone with no way to subvert without anyone trying it risking hanging.
>>538321288Canada and Australia where absorbed into the American imperial framework as soon as the British one withdrew. You have never been an ethnostate.
>>538318947singapore mogs tho
>>538320717Keep making the argument that the civic institutions which make up the state are a product of the people. Keep forcing civ nats to confront this reality. Frankly, we defeated civic nationalism back when Sargon of Akkad and the "alt-lite" were pushing for it by doing this. We're actually not even having to deal with civ nats anymore, they've mutated into cultural nationalists. No longer "If a person aligns with our values that our institutions enforce then they're one of us" it is now "if a person assimilates, becomes like us, goes to the pub to watch the footy then they're one of us"And the same argument works against this. Culture is the product of a people, people aren't the product of a culture.If you bring millions of people into your culture then your culture changes and now the culture that defines membership is no longer what defined membership when that membership insisted that inclusion was a cultural more of the people itself.It's an ouroboros and the way to defeat it is to continue challenging it's circularity.
>>538321365Canada was 96% European until the early 2000s, our entire government was of European descent until the early 2000s. We had an ethnostate.
>>538321092Japan
>>538321285All the christians evaporated in 1960?
>>538321428>we defeated civic nationalism back when Sargon of Akkad...I can smell your room from here, anon. you need to take a shower and go touch grass.
>>538321554>ad hominem
>>538321468Austria hungry was effectively 100% European, but was not an ethno-state.
>>538318685Cultural nationalism.
>>538318685Ethnicity implies a group's IQ which determines their nationality, which I disagree with because if you import a bunch of high IQ asians then they won't cause problems.Nationality should be determined by whether or not they meet the minimum requirement of IQ. Anything which stops 90% of India from invading is good enough to me, so I would propose a floor minimum of 80 IQ in order to become a citizen.
>>538321605Which is?
>>538321676Eth-Nat isn't>a country for those of similar IQyou tard.That would be, i dunno>Cere-Nat
>>538321484what about it?>>538321515Actual Christians where assuredly the minority in the halls of power for western nations by 1960>>538321595>history pivots in the comments of an obscure youtube livestream.delusional.
>>538321771>Actual Christians where assuredly the minority in the halls of power for western nations by 1960>I decide what a REAL christian isyawn
>>538318685In Australia for example.We can have 'some' other races as long as they're are Productive (net tax positive), above 100 IQ, fluent in English, fully compatible with the culture and follow the rules.However the populations should never be allowed to fall below 90% European. White Anglo-Saxons are the founding population. that needs to be recognized.Foreigners should never have access to tax payer funded Welfare, housing and other services. These need to be reserved for members of the founding population.and there needs to be recognition that, migrants even if they're 2nd, 3rd generation, are FOREIGNERS and can be deported at any time.There needs to be greater scrutiny an far less leniency on foreigners.Right now it's the opposite and that's why the system is broken.
>>538318685Civ-nat is only correct after all non-whites dieMulticulturalism can exist via civic nationalism only if civilized race exists.No savages allowed, especially:>niggers from africa>sandniggers from middle east & north africa>desi wogs from indus, gangetic, dravidan>austronesians & abbos from south east asia & oceania
>>538321855only you and other retards would deny it.
>>538321864This is my issue with CivNat colonial projects. They require such intense federal micro management in order to sutvive.I fear all colonial projects are doomed to become Rodesia
>>538321680Exactly what it says on the tin?Other ethnicities are acceptable ONLY AS LONG as they fully and completely assimilate into the nation's culture. If they cannot, or if they refuse, they need to be removed.
>>538321969>Only III decide what a REEAALLL christian is! Thus, I build an infailable hypothesis in my head wherein every single Christian mistake, can be dismissed as "fake christianity".Wait. This sounds familiar...>>Only III decide what a REEAALLL communism is! Thus, I build an infailable hypothesis in my head wherein every single communist mistake, can be dismissed as "fake communism".
>>538322041That's just CivNat...
>>538318734"sustainable percentage of foreigners" is just code for a nation in the process of declinewhatever shithead argument was made for accepting immigrants will inevitably be taken to its logical extreme>>538319333yes, nation is race is religionany debasement of these institutions in an attempt to integrate alien peoples is malicious and destructive
>>538321596Yes, it was. An ethnostate isn't some cartoon hollywood American History X fantasy where a room full of men screech constantly about MUH RACE.Every nation was an ethnostate until the 1970s. When you live in an ethnically homogeneous high trust society you don't constantly fixate on living in a high trust, ethnically homogeneous society. It's normal. It's ordinary. It's like a fish in water. You're surrounded by it. You only notice there was water when you're pulled out of the pond.You're an idiot.
>>538320643You can have both, nationality is determined by ethnicity but if you act like a savage then you can hardly count as one of us
>>538322104No, Civ Nats are not inherently opposed to letting foreigners keep their cultures. They just expect the foreigners to follow local laws. Oftentimes they don't even believe that their own culture is inherently superior.Cultural Nationalism does not allow for multiculturalism at all, except in very specific limited circumstances (such as Canada, before the foreign hordes arrived).
>>538321976Most of these things could be achieved with some simple tests for immigration and changing existing policies to be the opposite of what they are now.We already waste federal resources on an insane amount of bullshit that should not exist. for example managing third world foreigners and criminals who should never have been here in the first place.
>>538319481So his own culture would be Anglo then, IE a culture.This must be some ESL autism.
>>538319403>pagansYou're aware that pretty much every religion that doesn't fall under the abrahamic umbrella is technically pagan, right? That would include atheists and agnostics too. It pretty much just means non-christian, and muslims/jews/christians/catholics all worship the same god, and follow similar rules all based off the old testament/torah.
>>538322418>Most of these things could be achieved with some simple tests for immigration and changing existing policies to be the opposite of what they are now.But it all comes back to First Principlds.You can make that argument in England because it is the Anglo Land.But Australia? Yoi try it and will immrdiately get bogged down in>but what IS an Australian?
>>538320292>If browns have Christian values than they won't cause problems for white Christians.Who decides what "Christian values" are.Because those "brown Christians" vote dem, say fuck wypipo and rob cars.>but dey not real ChristiansBut you don't decide that, some bureaucrat does, and since there's no golden standard for proving true Christianity, the only current standard is self identification.
>>538318685Race is everything. Location also contributes but not by much. The english owned australia, new Zealand, england, and america and the culture and habits of the people were more or less the same. If white people somehow ended up in asia they wouldn't suddenly devlope asian aesthetics. Even in Hong Kong the brotish still had a grand model in mind
>>538322468He's either a jew or a Jewaboo most likely
>>538318734Ok jeet
>>538322570No. Pagan is just>native pre-Abrahamic religions
ausjeet threadtroo aryan saar
>>538322082>two ideologies made up by jews for the purpose of enslaving non-jews are remarkably similarYou don't say.
>>538322589>Who decides what "Christian values" are?Probably the brown christians, seeing as they're the majority of that religion
>neither toon cites CULTURE>culture being something that requires being born into and inculcated with, and that cannot be "adopted" just by crossing a borderYou're falling for false-dichotomy Yiddish pilpul again, goys...
>>538322667>coping in 720p
>>538322690wowowowow
>>538322576Doesn't matter. That's lefty shit muddying of the waters. Australia is European.everything from it's name to its infrastructure and political system was made by us.Aboriginals do not even have the IQ to cultivate a robust political system. Everything that makes this place desirable for immigrants is a product of white culture.Aboriginals can stay but they are mostly just a problem, they did not build this country.The Idea that just because a few Abos were already here in the past means infinite unrelated third world savages should be allowed in TODAY Is nonsensical and insane.
>>538321285Well too bad for you, those blacks pictured in the meme aren't intelligent enough to make reasonable rational conclusions about Christian teachings. They'll just interpret and twist it to mean they can get away with evil and then confess and be absolved.So I'll take the non-Christian White Europe because there's a higher chance they can see reason than the niggers vaguely "attempting" to practice Christianity. Consider that we already see intelligent people misappropriate and warp the teachings so they can get away with untold amounts of villainy. What hope do these even lower intelligence niggers have? None, that's what.
>>538322734>leafjeet first to respond
>>538322752>be jewish rabbi yeshua>beef with other jewish rabbis about them not acting jewish enough>make your own discount judaism when you fail to convince your local temple jews to act more jewish>smear and slander the other jews>eventually get pushed out if your home community>claim you're actually just going around to spread (((the word))) of (((god))) as a cope>still fail to convince the majority of jews in the levant, and around the mediterranean>get killed by the Romans because the only jews you could get to take you seriously were children, criminals, prositutes, and human traffickers who were also pushed out of the temple>your jewish apostles give up and start trying to convert non-jews because all the jews in their home region told them to fuck off>use the same holy book and same rules and the same god as temple jews(old testament is the torah/oral laws)>some jew worshipping clowns 2000 years later try to claim this shit isn't jewish
>>538318685Neither because more than ideology, being a rightoid these days just means being a gullible rube. These are just the flavors used to scam you while filling your mind with brainworms about da libs
>>538322919>y-y-y-you're a boogeyman!You worship a jewish rabbi and cope like a discount jew
>>538318685Ethnic nationalism is the answer to the question, because there is a dialectic here, you're asking A or B, but to expand on that its really both, they're not mutually exclusive.Ethnicity determines nationality first, but civic nationalism is an expression of ethnic character. Its cultural. Its why this dialectic ends up causing confusion. Civic nationalism is essentially just an evolution of organizational ideas from chivalry and the faustian spirit, which are also cultural descriptors of European people and their character.Most other races have nothing comparable. Japanese do, its why they are honorary aryans. Honor and service to nation are an important expression of our racial character. The universalist multicultural version of it assumes its not cultural or ethnic.The result of that is that they resent us, because they truly don't think as civic nationalists. Most non-europeans think in dog-eat-dog.
The thesis is Civic Nationalism, the Antithesis is framed as Ethnic Nationalism, the synthesis is Ethnic Civic Nationalism.Just to cut to that part. All civic nationalism started in ethnically homogenous european countries as ethnic civic nationalism. It is natural.
>>538323873Holy dialectical reasoning!Seneca, I kneel.
>>538318685Blood and soil. It's as simple as that.
>>538318685Fuck both if them in the ass and leave them. Both are wrong cs they are women. Fo full natsoc and just dig up Hitler spirit through some shamans and physics and have him rule in place.
>>538322589The "brown" Palestinians are more Christian than the dumb evangelicals in the US and cocksucking faggot (being pro refugee doesn't stop them from being bloodthirsty warmongerers, either) protestants here.
>>538323873>All civic nationalism started in ethnically homogenous european countries as ethnic civic nationalism. Trying too hard.Greece? China? Egypt? The fucking Caliphate?Arguably even The MONGOLS.
>>538318734>a sustainable percentage of foreigners to allow for talent and not to be inbred trashShalom!
>>538318685go further rightauthority is an oxymoronic notionthere is power, that is violence, and violence is never rightfulbut to preserve the good sometimes you have to be a cuntso anarchist army lets goooooothe only reason to have a nation is to defend against the predations of nations, tech allows insurgent forces to fight on par with empires now so the nation is no longer required
>>538320356No he isn't that's you!Don't look at the archive to see the same thread spammed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over You're the jew not them!
>>538318685Luce's creator is a degenerate
>>538325705
>>538325705i just assume all artists/creators are and avoid looking for information about them
>>538318685left because people have no loyalty outside their family. say and do whatever is easy, most profitable, or most repeated.i see some saying right is a progressive evolution but i think it's more left just hanging on to what little is left in many cases. it's very hard to regulate peace and unity without ending up back on the left again quickly. only you get a new ethnicity in charge.
>>538318685I believe this settles the matter
>>538325971Except Jews can exist in an ethnonation, but they can’t exist in a nation that enforces laws.
>>538325971Kek
>>538326175They will find it very easy to shape those laws though.
>>538318685Ughhhh.>omg, but what about culture?! >have you ever considered that an individual can be so very much different even from his parents?!?>dude, like culture is hyuuuuge!Jews have built this trojan intellectual virus and all it does is spam>EVERYTHING BUT RACE, MY LITTLE GOYSRace is paramount.I'd happily join a random White society with my family, eat whatever they eat, learn their crazy language, whatever. It'll all be fine.What doesn't work is brown people/jews. We have tried everything and we have so much data by now, from centuries of mingling. It doesn't work out.
>>538318685None, you're a dishonest kike (oxymoron)
>>538319104If there's a revolution can we just kill that stupid nigger and end his bloodline in the most painful and slow way possible? All that fat faced piece of rat shit ever does on repeat, for the past near twenty years, is repeatedly cuck out and FUCK THINGS UP.He is always, the key little bitch that pretends to be based, pretends he's learned his lesson and now he's more based guys, then gatekeeps like some screening little turncoat bastard waiting on the sidelines, ready to swoop in with a diverting burst of betrayal and faggotry.He did this shit to us when race realism was just taking off.He did this years ago ruining anti-immigrant sentiment.He Fucked Us on making Ukip go further right,and now he's going to further ensure Restore turns into just a moderate fake Bong-Maga on it's very best day.I wish someone would slice his goddamned throat out of his neck already, for standing on the side he never supports, genuinely fuck Sargoy of Acuck and all of his children's blood. Holy shit can that nigger not be gay for once.Fuck him so very bad anons, I can't stand it.What a saboteur enemy that worm.Every single time with that scum.
>>538326316exactly right.Jews find it easy to bend rules because they are bred towards bending them. Both their genes and culture are deeply fascinated by subversion and deceit.Rules, in a biological sense, are broad prescriptions, usually with a strong negative connotation.>Don't do this!>No!and more rarely>every month, you should contribute this:These all require a healthy mind, good conscience, a society you feel connected towards, common goals and beliefs.Jews deconstruct all this.>what even does 'this' mean?!>why should you, really?>wouldn't it be fair to say...Our defense was to appeal to common judicial histories. This led to a rule by a guild or lawyers, dispensing secret, obscure knowledge in mysterious court rituals>Because of a 248 year old precedent, the court thus rules...But all this did was buy time as jews can play this game better. Why? Because us Whites still believe there's a character behind rulings, a tone, an intention. >It shouldn't be like this!The jew has no problem with weird technicalities and absurdities. He routinely tricks his own god on shabbat. He's fine with living in perpectual disputes whereas we want our peace to finally get the real shit done. But for jews, this IS the real thing. Once he can establish a legal foothold, he can pretty much bend reality to whatever he wants, seeing as the initially groaning Whites will comply eventually. E.g. civil rights, trannies, infinity muslims.This is why you lose with jews.
>>538326175Jews thrive on subverting the laws. Jews get fucked if poeple use common sense instead of laws.
>>538318685Nation means tribe.
>>538318685inorganic reddit memes
>>538326512But have you read Locke?
>>538327066>ethno-nationalism>redditDo you drink Listerine?
>>538327255I wanna run him over with a car, reee!1!!1
>>538327255
>>538325211Their civic nationalism is different. Its ethnically distinct. They all are.>MongolsMongol empire lasted for the lifespan of the conquerors and then disintegrated when they died.>CaliphateCaliphate is theocratic civic nationalism, not ethnic. Its multicultural in the same way Catholicism is.>ChinaThat's a work in progress, but they have their own ethnically distinct variation of civic nationalism>EgyptWhat like the fucking Pharoes and shit? or modern arabic Egypt?Slavery isn't compatible with ethnic civic nationalism. Every empire we've ever had that tried to bring foreigners into their civic order lost their empire for it.>GreeceWhich Greece? The European one that was an origin point of Western Civilization? Or the one in Africa?Point is, it isn't a universal framework you can imprint on all the races and rule the world. You get your own people and your own shit, and that's all you get. If you're foreign, you need to go back and work on your own people's inheritances and stop stealing other peoples' inheritance.
>>538318685None.A lot of nigger a white nationality and some people have dual citizenship.And following the law/rules don't make you a citizen.I would never call French someone that ok with macron or what the police is doing, a real French man will do what french man do and kill both.Nationality is defined by culture.
>>538318734>Contaminating both characters with Jewish shit Sage
>>538327585>Nationality is defined by culture.Its more defined by ethnicity.You can repatriate your diaspora and if they are culturally different you just end up absorbing what they learned, but the branches are the same tree, ultimately. They're made of the same stuff as you. A different tree is a different tree though, that's never going to change. You're not going to give a nigger a baguette, a roll of cheese and a bottle of wine and make a frenchman out of him.Its a special kind of cruelty to make them think that's possible, to them and your own people.
>>538318685Civ-nat is an oxymoron and Eth-nat is redundant. Look up the etymology of "Nation".>The word nation traces back to the Latin word nātio, meaning "birth," "origin," or "a breed of people.">This Latin root ultimately derives from nātus, the past participle of nāscī, meaning "to be born."
>>538318685Black and brown all get kicked out of townThe rest can stay
>>538318734>sustainable percentage of foreignerIf that percentage is 0, then I agree
>>538327876If Nationality id defined by ethnicity, you can't call yourself an American.
>>538319684liberals, not leftists. Rightoids excuse everything for the nation, lefties excuse everything as for the betterment of the people, liberals excuse everything because it brings profit.
>>538328046I can, I can even be an earnest and patriotic member of this doomed legion, a stalwart of an empire and the dream. but you are 100% correct that the empire and the legion is not a nation. its not an ethnicity. citizenship is more like a badge of office, like what being a 'Roman' meant during its decline.the US is going to balkanize.
>>538328252I can agree with you, curent France is not real France And your definition let me tell that real France ended with the napoleonic empire
You can't have a nationality if you are nor far right.
>>538328048that's accurate, the left would say they're about the people, the right would say the nation is the people. the government would be fucking them both. the entire government apparatus is a liberal (anti-)democratic uniparty competing for the profits. their rivalry is performative, their continuity of government is an extension of their time at the feeding trough.that's not right or left.
Left when judging who should get the nationality.Right for people who already have the nationality.
>>538318685Both are shit. Nationalism doesn't work.
>>538328252us is too ethnically mixed and economically intertwined to balkanize. it's also full of people who'd love to be lincoln with modern weaponry. you'd need some place with a port to flip their cities hard red to even begin to have a realistic secession discussion.
>>538318685The only kind of nationalism that makes sense, ethnonationalism >>538318947>CIVNATS is just multiculturism but another way of saying itThats how its used today, but in a true sense of the word it should mean multi ethnic/racial monocultural society, examples are the French and British empires, Russia, the US
>>538318685Nation means birth, race. Civ-nat is based on a lie.
>>538318685Even with few foreigners civ/nat doesn't work in a modern society-too much relativism-too much legiferation-too much leadership changeWhat are exactly our rules and our laws when every few months a new trendy law is introduced and the overton window is moved on?
>>538319333The strong point of japanese paganism (pre classical western paganism was very similar) is that every place and every thing can be sacres, with different levels, and reach even goodhood. This mean that you respect more the places where you live or the ones that you visit. With western materialism a nice mountain is not a place where to build a shrine but just the new place to dump trash with trucks
>>538328735Rome didn't decline in a day. Even as the provincials did whatever the fuck they wanted Rome's only claim to empire and hegemony was that when Shlomus Shekelius the tax collector for Rome showed up in Iberia the Gothic provincial governor gave him Caesar's box of coins.Shit can regionalize without any narrative schism event.The language is already forming around that happening. People talking about secession like the difference are not absurd, just the superficial admin processes are.
>>538329125We had that in Europe, too. Places, names, customs, even a thrid of the days.>muh christian holidayswhere do you think this custom comes from, judeo-christian dummy?!Judeo-christianity is the original scourge of holy Europa, threatening to kill our bloodline.Without judeo-christianity, we wouldn't even have the liberal propositions of non racialism.
>>538318685Doesn't matter because undesirable ethnics don't follow laws.
>>538318685Ethnat 100%.
>>538329209>like the differences* are not absurdthe differences and incompatibilities, the divisibility of the people, all of this shit is getting easier to acknowledge, and unlike in the past where they'd say "fellow whites, we need to try harder to make multiculturalism work because ALTRUISM" and a bunch of retarded college kids nodded along, get pumped up about it even, things aren't like that anymore. people look at the division problems, the track record of activism and the sketchy ulterior motives in media from all angles, and think "why even bother doing this shit? if racism is such a problem, why are we doing this multiculturalism shit? why are we in a union with California? why are we listening to Washington DC? why does israel or any other fucking foreign country matter to any of us?"250th birthday of the nation and there's no energy about it.
>>538319104It's even sadder since they seem to all actually stand for nothing.They were all denouncing the positions they hold now a few years ago if you look back in their almost daily spam videos before the nationalists moved the conversation further to the Right.Their main concern seem to be not being hated by as many people and to flap their lips as much as possible rather than actually believe anything.
>>538318685obviously eth-nationalist.if you are a nationalist for a nation you aren't ethnically related to, you are a cuck who hates your own culture.looking at you italians and irish
>>538319481At least he's not a gypsy. You're literally a subset of India.
>>538329748Let's rather look at judeo-christians larping as nationalists but really just doing a zionism.God is not a jew. If you're German, his name is>W*O*D*A*N
>>538329950real germans & euros are pagans.christ is ethnically jewish, doesn't that raise suspicions?
>>538318734Shalom
>>538330106While I'm not fully in the Adam Green camp, he's broadly correct.Look at the evidence:>Jews try to subvert everything, ESPECIALLY any powerful movementsNow let's look at the age of imperial Rome (which itself is highly problematic given that our history has a judeo-christian spin):>syncretic globohomo Gods, some of which totally astroturfed>a trend towards monotheism>multiculturalism ("there's only brothers in christ, mate!")>individual saviours with a distinct connection to secretive cabals and initiation cults>a trend towards perversity ("watcha doing with the kid in the park, rabbi?")>the story of the good rabbi rests on flimsy discriptions of one jewish guru>those sects were fighting each other for fresh goyim ("synagogue of satan")>intermingled with the first money lenders coming to Europeetcetcthis is like the MO of jewish encroachment on ancient religiosity.In other words, if you're antisemitic, how can you not see the jewish handwriting on this one?
>>538320606>has to steal the begging for acceptance vs delusional gloating metronome because he can't create anything>copies without understanding the meaning>fails completelyactually stinky shitskin jeet LOL
