>buy wall street ponzie with public debt>Account can't be accessed for 18 years, forced hodl>10k children born per day>3.6B perpetual bail out per year>Baked in hyperinflation Its just disgusting cynicism to call it for the children
>>538345061how is it communism? answer that first.
>taking part in the stock market is communism
>>538346953Socializing capital risks and costs (public credit expansion and purchasing power erosion) for private profits (ponzi shares with diminishing demand bought), mediated by a central political planning committee Text book structural communism
>>538347038>The "public" buys ponzisThat's communism
>>538347043Well looks like we better let the zionist pedophile billionaire class take charge then
>>538347043No that's capitalism. In communism ponzi schemers get executed and you don't have a stock market
>>538345061I’m maxing this out every year so my kid will have a fuckload of money when they’re 18. Have fun raising the next generation of poors.
>>538347201The word capitalism doesn't exist outside of religious marxist dogma As soon as a central planning committee decides who to get the profit and that the public has to bear the costs its communism How do you think the ussr workedCentral planning committee decides what industry gets funding e.g what apparatchik, while the public had to carry the risks
>>538347201Depends on your flavour of communism
>>538347148>t. Lefttard Tell us more about the jew
>>538345061>>538347043>>538347138Hey jeet , you are still here? You got your arse handed to you in our previos thread. https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/538345061/https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/538308104/
>>538347312>>538347363Hi jeet, how is India,
>>538347469How threatened do you feel that you monitor a random anon shitposter. You tell me I hit bullseye if you show your hand like this.
Still scamming grandmas via a fake call center scam?? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5o4wiYgl8GUhttps://whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tghzp5vi8hchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDpeQRyNnA8
>>538345061Imagine a Dem saying things like this.Pure socialism
>>538347542Still scamming grandmas ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58JqGuclqnghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QibnHpnJlxYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewg_xdR0_Vwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnCIjnCR6Echttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kemnO_1cA6k
>>538347043it's an investment account that is made for the benefit of a child, so no the child can not withdraw money from the account before then. This is not an unusual thing, and it's not Communism.In the initial period (3 years) the government will deposit $1000 into each new account. This is a limited scope benefit, and also is not communism. Also, it is being at least offset by private donations, if not fully covered.There is an initial investment fund, which I guess is where you're getting the 'Central Committee' stuff from, but in the future there will be options for other funds. So, it's basically getting the kids onto IRA's from the start, which is, interestingly enough, the first step in getting rid of the current Social Security system. So, not communist at all. Each citizen will have a private investment account funded by their own contributions, and they can choose which funds to invest it in.
>>538347614And yet the demrats are too incompetent to use this perpetual bail out for wall street as a midterm propaganda angle
>>53834768910k children born per day on average, times 365 makes 3.6B perpetual bail outs per year
>>538347747ah, so you're just retarded then
This should help the S&P 500. All this new money being invested will flow to the stock markets. The relentless bid remains in place S&P 10,000 in a couple years.
>>538347781Its a public bail out. There is not much interpretation, its straight forward. You can try to frame it as "investment" doesn't change that the public through erosion of purchasing power is bailing out ponzis
>>538347138Some members of the public buy private ownership of a business >must be socialism
>>538347850Its just a coincidence that the bail out appears at the same time that the boomer bulge wants to withdraw monthly 2000 dollar from the ponzis. How many retiree boomers are there again.
>>538347710>>538347747>>538347853Jeet jeet through screens we still smell ur feetJeet jeet your post don’t even tryJeer jeet play train roulette and die
>>538347853Is every IRA a bail out? Is every government benefit a bail out? If someone gets a welfare check and implausibly invests it in the market, is that a bail out?
>>538347881Its straight out corruption. In Singapore the public officials would be hanged by neck for such a move
>>538347983Socialism is when corruption
>>538347973Yes. Its the central planning committee socializing risks and costs onto future generations. This is as well just a thinly veiled communist bail out, its cynic to say its for the children Nobody stops a parent to take its own risk to set up an account for a child, the communist using the public is disgusting
>>538348056Always. Somebody has to decide who gets the profit and who has his capital risks and costs taken by the public. It is inherently by design corrupt
You cannot refute my argument, you have to reframe it, and by that prove my point, the USA is a communist dictatorship, and looking at its debt to gdp and deficit, its at its end. Trump is Breshnew
>>538347043Nice try eurofag. Go buy an AC instead of spewing bullshit your brain's cooked.
>>538345061>Its just disgusting cynicism to call it for the childrenFor his jew-spawn grandchildren. Sure.
>>538348505You know I am right. You can't refute, you have to reframe and impotently insult.
>>538348134Was the USSR not socialist when it didn’t have a stock market?
>>538348679Structurally it doesn't matter if the central planning committee socializes the capital risks and costs of a producing industry that has no natural demand or that of a ponzi that run out of greater fools. In the end the public loses, the subsidized has his profits guaranteed and the apparatchiks skim off the top, like Trump, Warren and 100% of congress past and present In a just world every congress man, senator and potus past as present would be executed like Ceausescu
>>538348841In reality, the socialist scammers flee with hard currency as in the case of the USSR when the ruble collapsed or get bailed out by useful idiots when the GDR collapsed. Sometimes justice prevails like in Yugoslavia when greyman went from village to village and executed apparatchiks
>>538348638>I don’t understand economic theory and am as rigid as a board so I must be right>>538348841I’ve never read Marx or tried to understand any of his points? How could you tell?There are defining features of socialism much different than “government tax and give money” like private vs public ownership or larger social programshttps://youtu.be/WhEDsthBqls>538349067Nice self reply jeet faggot you feel less insecure about yourself and your retarded argument?
>>538345061Nothing you described is like communism.
>>538349415Socialism is the socialization of capital risks and costs by a central planning committee at the cost of the population (or the more perverted form at the cost of assumed future generations productivity, consum and reproduction) for the benefits of a limited set of actors.The name doesn't matter. Just because you call it "capitalism" doesn't magically changes the structure and processes.And yes, every territory that applies some variation of the Keynesian economic model is factually a communist regime
>>538349617>NahahaIt literally is communism. Same process as in the ussr. Just because the individual apparatchik that had control over the factory on the ground was called "the public owner" didn't change that the individual himself privately profited. Instead of living in a commieblock and eating borscht the apparatchiks lived in a western style datasch and ate steak
Communism is the absence of currency and a centralized state for a society in which all of the workers own all of the means of production. Absolutely nothing else is intrinsically communist and saying so just reveals that you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about. Your example is possibly socialism. Communism did not invent nor does it have a monopoly upon socialism, it utilizes socialism. As does every other economic model or social philosophy that has ever even been attempted.
>>538349900>I-its not real communism Ahahahahahahahahahaha And unironic commutard coming to defend his banker masters practical application.
>>538349900What you ingenious bastard try to sell is the literal two more weeks carrot on a stick. But i don't doubt that you unironically are a teleological universalistic collectivistic millenarian eugenicist cultist that believes that he could individually create the "perfect communist" human to pull it off, just some active and passive eugenics to make his perfect slave in two more weeks
>>538345061Youre such a tremendous piece of shit and economically illiterate on top of thag
>>538350215You cannot refute it that as soon as a central planning committee decides on who to socialize risks and costs and who to give the profit guarantees, the step into communism was made
>>538349965>if somebody points out that I am wrong about something, that means they promote whatever I am wrong aboutI have made no value judgments whatsoever, you have the mind of a child and are incapable of discussing complex topics.
>>538350347You run the usual disingenuous "not real communism" script.>I-its just socialism >R-real communism in two more weeks
>>538349710>I’ll spout out some other definition that isn’t socialism and say it’s socialism because I’ve never read anything critical of my beliefs everJust because you call it socialism doesn’t mean it is magically not capitalism and private ownership is gone and that workplaces are democratized now lolAnd for the last time the stock market is private ownership and investment not public property >>538349900That’s communism as an end goal but that’s a stateless utopia which is never really possible same with other ideas of stateless societies
>>538345061Try to explain how you think owning stock works.
>>538350289Central planning is not inherently communist.Your a complete fucking idiot. Literally every government that has ever existed has had elements of central planning, including those discussed on sumarian tablets 4500+ years before communism was thought up. It's wild how ignorant you are, like the idea of learning about what you talk about before you talk about it has never ever occurred to you. You just feel a feeling and assume it must be a fact because you're just so super special.
>>538350485Capitalism doesn't exist outside of religious marxist dogma It is just a pejorative by a poor socialist against a perceived rich socialist that was able to have his risks and costs socialized onto the poor socialist through the central planning committee Even in the ussr there was practically private ownership. The Datscha of the apparatchiks might have been formally owned by the "state" but informally it was his.And the stock market, as soon as the central planning committee is socializing capital risks through purchasing power erosion onto the public to guarantee profits, it made the step into communism
>>538350663Difference between summeria and today, their was no central planning committee, the sovereign was the owner and the one with the responsibility. Under communism their is no responsibility by the planning committee, that is as well a socialized cost on the public
>>538350485>but that’s a stateless utopia which is never really possibleNo shit shirlock. But Communism being an incoherent pipedream doesn't magically make anything you say about it valid though. Use your fucking head. Bailing out some business has absolutely not a fucking thing to do with Communism, period.
>>538350820Mf I’m mostly agreeing with you
You can simply not refute structurally that when a central planning committee MEMBER has no individual risks outside of maybe losing his position when fucking up the regularization and subsidization producing a loss for the general public it's structurally communism
And by design every variation of the ability of a central planning committee to emit debt in the "name of the public" is by design communism - the risks and costs are automatically socialized and the profits individualized, at no risk at all for individual members of the committee
In the case of the USA its even actively designed to benefit the central planning committee members. 200k/year wage magically makes members of congress billionaires
In Singapore there would be not a single member of congress, the senate and the potus office that wouldn't be leashed before hanged
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>>538345061More than this jeeta would've attempted
>>538351435Its yet to be seen if he is going to be Gorbatshow or a Panecevski. One thing is clear he won't be an Egon Krenz, there is no nation that would be able to bail the US out
People seem unreasonably angry about this thread.
He’s losing it lol
>>538351561Every potus, member of congress and the US Senate is a communist. The federal and state system is structurally a communist regime. Not being a communist would require balls of steel, the will to demolish the system at the root and an idealism that borders on economic irrationality
>>538351653Of course. I accuse the USA being structurally a communist regime. Every single individual that in some way or shape ever profited of this set up, no matter how often they were scammed through hyperinflationary monetary policy, has to rationally attack me for criticizing their individual grift at the cost of not yet born children.
>>538347043sounds like textbook jewry to me, pal
>>538351883The sweet science has changed and we learned from the worst.
>>538350706>It is just a pejorative by a poor socialist against a perceived rich socialistEverything is socialist lolWhat exactly are you advocating for and how would it work
>>538345061>How is this not communismbecause its another trump scam
>>538351972There are only 2.3% jews in the USA. Even assuming a 10x concentration of jews in politics and ponzinomics that still just makes every 4th a jew. 6 of 10 are statistically native traitors
>>538347148>zionist pedophile billionaire classThats what you voted for
>>538345061And as Bobby Fischer sagely noted, communism is just a cover for judaism.
>>538352029The Singaporean model with one twist, complete prohibition of deficit spending and treasury bond emittance. The state has to work with what it has.. no borrowing on the heads of the future for profits now.Of course no pragmatism with the scammers and opportunists, past and present members of congress, the Senate, the bureaucracy and the subsidized "privates" executed (or at least expropriation and prohibition of private property until their dead) to not repeat the mistakes of Germany after 45 and 90
>>538345061Because its not equal. This is all money trickling up faster than inflation catches up to it. This is now Zimbabwe.
>>538352071>Even assuming a 10x concentration of jews in politics and ponzinomicsThe concentration is far, far greater than that.
>>538345061>>3.6B perpetual bail out per yearso... less than we give to israel every year?
EVERYTHING he is doing has been a wide open corrupt grift. And we can't fucking stop him because Mike Johnson is protecting him. Until Mike Johnson is vacated, we're screwed.
>>538352306Looked it up. Just 6% so every 9th is a native traitor
>>538345061ofc it is a ponzi but so is 401k. anyway, number go up.
>>538352278Second amendment. Its communist tyranny >>538352464Of course 9 out of 10 are native or naturalized traitors
>>538346953It's a great idea but it's certainly a democratic socialist policy. Not something you'd expect from the Republicans
>>538352535And its a total coincidence that it appears right when the boomer bulge puts strain on the ponzis and want to cash out 2000 dollar a month instead of paying in 2000 a month into ponzis.
>>538352375Its not individuals, its a structural problem that created individual economically incentives for them to act like they do, against the interests of the sovereign
>>538352254Singapore is a city state on the straight of malacca that has state owned corporations called GLCs and it’s economy relies upon importing businesses that make up to 50% of its gdp and foreign workers that make up as well as bailing out their industries too like their airline industry during covid
>>538353609Workers* up 40% of its work force* Typo
>>538345061It's Judaism
>>538345061It's not communism, it's a stealth market pump to steal the money. It's pure fucking greed disguised as the cliche "for the kids".
>>538353676I can’t type ig Fuck it
>>538347043>>538346953Communism didn't allow for private property. This approach does, but it doesn't give companies full freedom to fuck over the citizenry.The Nazis had something like this, called National Socialism.It's like socialism, but you get to keep your stuff. You're just not allowed to do whatever you want
>>538353609To specify the aspect of the Singaporean model, where anybody that decides to become a public serf, has his private property frozen for the duration of his service and in the case of misconduct or corruption is expropriated or executed.As the prohibition to be employed in a public subsidized organization for 5 years after leaving the public position It creates an incentive to not be a corrupt communist with the real stake being once property or life
>>538353829Formally yes, the Datscha of the apparatchiks "managing" soviet industry was state owner, informally it was of course his to use as they pleased >1930s socialism Please, same thing in brown. Apparatchiks enriched themselves trice in Germany. Once when owners were expropriated after Hitler took power, then after the war when Adenauer gave them amnesty and re-instated their assets and some a third time after the gdr collapsed
>>538353740Its communism and hardly a pump. It just coincidentally occurs when boomers are liquidating their 401k ponzis and want to cash out 2000 a month, and now coincidentally the state buys out what they liquidate for every new born. Its disgusting to a level I would cheer when trump gets the noose
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>>538353914That is just anti corruption legislation not any sort of economic model so Singapore has state owned industries with anti corruption policies to avoid scams like what trump pulled which plenty of people regardless of belief are against congress and the president buying selling and ownership of stock while in office or wanting to ban lobbying or cap the amounts that’s why the Supreme Court snuck their decision that increased possible lobbying spending for a candidate next to the birth right Can you explain more about these Apparatchiks? I thought you were referring a specific person at first but can you explain what things they would do in more detail than taking advantage to enrich themselves?
>>538355351Typing on a phone sucks
>>538347747Thats 10k new tax payers born every day and why the child tax credit already exists . Honestly it should be 10k per child to make up for the bbb cucking the promised child tax credit increase
>>538355351Solid anti-corruption legislation that gets enforced, with real punishment as in death penalty would solve a lot already. Lobbying would go to a minimum as every talk with a lobbyist might end in losing once property or a noose.And don't forget the second aspect, complete prohibition on public deficit as prohibition on treasury bond emittance incentivizing surpluses instead of perpetual deficits and debt ballooning >Apparatchiks Its just that, individual profits at minimal risk. Polity and bureaucracy are just humans, greedy great apes that want the most bananas at minimal risk and investment.All they do is exploit their positions in the hierarchy to enrich themselves. Germany is a great example here, as it has literally no anti-corruption legislation. Members of parliaments that sit in parliamentary committees give public contracts to their families shell companies or those that provide kickbacks and pocket under the table. Especially rampant in the "democracy" funds and "migration" funds.There is no ideology, just pure grifting at no risk
>>538355730So you are a seer and know that little Jose is going to certainly generate 500k net positive a year after 18 years and totally not become a net negative or worse for you, die at the age of 5 falling off a tree.What you do is the most perverted form of communism, literally pretending to be able to see the future so you can profit now. That's the kind of mindset I see fit to be genocided
>>538345061>How is this not communism>>buy wall street ponzie with public debt>>Account can't be accessed for 18 years, forced hodl>>10k children born per day>>3.6B perpetual bail out per year>>Baked in hyperinflation>Its just disgusting cynicism to call it for the childrenHold it...Where is the communism?
>>538356018Obviously the central planning committee socializing capital risks and costs through bond emittance at 3.x%+ onto the public through purchasing power erosion and individualizing profits for the ponzi companies whose shares end up in the account as the yield for the banks/ funds that purchase the bonds
>>538345061sounds like an excuse to print more money while the "investment funds" get to skim more off the top
>>538347853>Its a public bail outIt's outright theft.Just like the theft of the goyim's retirment accounts to give to jewish (((AI))) companies.The kikes are stealing everything they can before their whole scam finishes collapsing.
>>538356253What else but communism is "money printing"? The public now owns risk and owes debt without any benefits
>>538356296That's a more sneaky play.>Fantasy valuations at ipo>Outdated spx and Nasdaq rules say if company has xy market cap it goes into the index>Pension funds have charters that obligate them to buy "save" assets like index funds
>>538356316>The public now owns risk and owes debt without any benefitsThat's judaism. The slaves work and the kikes sit like effendi and eat.
>>538356400Its communism, public ownership
>>538356392Yup.And the interlocking shareholding means every kike IPO will have a massive, nonsensical "valuation" that requires the goyim to trade their sort-of-real savings for absolutely horseshit jewish paper.
>>538356561I mean you got targeted brainwashed to screech kike at everything, but reality of the matter is, only every 6 out of 100 are kike, 94 of 100 are native traitors
>>538356690>only every 6 out of 100 are kike, 94 of 100 are native traitorsIf it rapes kids like a jew....
It's a literal ponzi>have your kid in the market goy, we'll give you 1000!
>>538356863...The most successful brainwash operation by marxists in the past 80 years. I feel some pity for you
>>538355812> There is no ideology, just pure grifting at no riskYeah glad we agree those individuals get the rope but like you say it isn’t ideology specific >>538356166So your problem is American central planning using debt to bailout industries but are instead in favor of Singapore’s system that has central planning state owned industries and bailouts their own industries but they don’t use debt and punish corruption? I don’t even disagree but you’re using your own definitions not connected to any understanding most people have so any conversation you have is going to be muddled and useless
>>538358980ideology is when it comes to grifting always just second rank. Grifters are the most adaptable species. The same that grifted during the nat soc regime, kept grifting in the German federal republic and GDR, they just adopted their language. Same in Russia after the fall of the USSR, same people in same position, slightly different language.When I say "communism" I don't speak about the ideological fan fiction, I use in a structural sense, as in what "communism" looks in practice on the groundIn regards to singapore only the anti-courruption aspect. The rest as in deficit public financed private industry is again just grifting; the assumption that some grifiting public employed is able to accurately predict the future, while dumping the risk on everyone else. Only that in Sigapore they cant take it full retard like in the US or Europe, or they end on a noose or expropriated
>>538359275Communism in action being within a happening within a communist state and that’s not any sort of definition and bailouts with public debt have occurred before Marx was born like the panic of 1792 I think your problem is ultimately with central banking systems
>>538360632ironically the central banking system is not the core issue, not even fiat. My problem is solely with socialization of capital risk and costs on non consenting parties. Whoever wants to take risk and invest into whatever should be free to do so, at his own risk and the risk of the if a loan is involved the creditors risk
>>538360632and on the 1792 bail outs, that was the first time communsim was applied, but not yet named that way. Before that in the monarchies, any intervention had a clear party that had the risk, the sovereign crown, and if it fucked up, its assets were gone, either taken by whoever it took the loans from or by getting removed
Why does our society hate single people? We never get anything.
>>538345061UBI isnt communism, so Trump accounts arent communism either
>>538347689>choose which funds to invest in If you genuinely believe this you are full of shit. This is to stabilize speculative stock price because they can hand it to people who can’t sell for 18 years. It’s more kicking the can down the road
>>538345061>for the childrenJews have whites by the balls forever in the name if the children
>>538361249teleological universalistic collectivistic millenarian eugenicism.Its easier to grift by pretending to have a great plan, that justifies all means, is applicable to everyone and if you dont join the cult are a problem because we are totally going to create the 1000 year reich if we are only able to create the perfect human for the particular cult (to grift them)Same game with christianity, judaism, islam, communism (ideological), various socialist ideiologies and liberalism.The latter three are just worse than the previous because the religions usually have a transcendend firewall build-in where the secular religions are purely materialistic and always go full retard
>>538347280My nephew. I probably won't be around when he turns 18 but his mom will tell him I sent her the info so I will have a small part in his financial bonus. Told her all about the contributions and will contribute as well.
>>538353829>Communism didn't allow for private propertyback up, so you're saying new york isnt under communist rule right now? no fucking way. better tell all your cult friends
>>538361706>so you're saying new york isnt under communist rule right now?two more weekshttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYsQE4Pxb4&pp=0gcJCUwLAYcqIYzv&ra=m
