"capitalism" means the private ownership of the means of production. that's how the businesses are owned. whether or not the government exists or does things has nothing to do with capitalism. this is your usual misrepresentation you make on the right, and your purpose of doing this is to brainwash people to never blame capitalism for their problems. if you redefine "capitalism" to mean something ridiculous and unattainable, then you can always just pretend "this is not real capitalism", and this is the point of what you're doing here. fucking bastard. propagandist.

furthermore, socialism and communism do not mean "when the government does stuff". once more, this is your redefinition of the word which you're trying to create in order to brainwash uninformed people into not blaming you, and your policies for their problems.

if you convince people "socialism is when government does things", then you can always blame socialism for whatever problems they're having. it's just mindcontrol. you're just employing various mindcontrol techniques, as always on /pol/.

>>538365300
Dawg I just posted the pic cus I thought it was silly

>>538365099
Communism is a form of anarchy where civic order is maintained by workers unions in a moneyless society. No communist society has ever existed and, in all likelihood, will never exist.

>>538365300
>>538365352
meds
now

>>538365300
Except business owner own their businesses just as much as people own their homes.
They are still beholden to the govt.

>>538365300
Capitalsim simply doesnt exist outside of your marxist dogmas.
A free market doesn't require an -ism you teleological universalistic collectivistic millenarian eugenicist cultists are all the same

no matter if you call yourself communist, national socialist, liberal or schalalaldingdong

furthermore, what this OP is doing has been written about extensively in various dystopian literature, where these mindcontrol techniques are defined literarily. most notably 1984 by George Orwell. it's just mind control. and the purpose of _most_ mindcontrol is to convince the plebs to blame another person for their problems, rather than the people who caused them.

>>538365359
dawg, you literally tried to employ very well-known mindcontrol tactics on the public and now you're trying to deny the guilt for your crime. but when the people whom you've mindcontrolled wake up and fully realize what you've done to them, they will fucking hang you and you won't be able to avoid this, in the long term.

>>538365361
how many weeks to create the "perfect classless slave"? How much resources needed, how many must perish, who is allowed to breed with who — who decides that?

>What works best
A system that prevents the overcentralization of power, and promotes social mobility. Throw whatever system and label you want on it.

>>538365361
Yeah in semantics yes but it’s generally understood to mean systems within Marxist thought because he named the manifesto after it

>>538365478
Jesus Christ

>>538365099
still arguing about these things? Keep going. Don't ask. The others are capitalists/communists. You need to hate them.

Both systems have been obsolete for half a century. Just keep the central banks wich are very important for capitalism/communism mkaY?

>>538365099
How is the value of something determined?

>>538365632
>sophisticated mindcontrol
>rewriting language
>REEEEEE EVERYTHING MUST STAY FROZEN IN TIME
that is not a very progressive position, rather conservative bourgeois I might say. You sure you are not a class enemy?

>>538365598
>Jesus Christ
go ahead and clutch your pearls and act aghast over the words the mean lefty wrote on this board which exists to literally engineer the mass murder of entire ethinicities in order to scapegoate them for the financial and political crimes committed by billionaires, you fucking faggot. really, go ahead. by all fucking means. when people learn what you really are then they will fully hold you responsible for what you've done to them, and it won't be fucking pretty.

>>538365425
>>538365430
you all need to just fucking stop. the government does not own the businseses in america, and they are instead under the ownership of the private sector, that means we live in a capitalist nation.

once more, i reiterate that what you are doing here is employing a sophisticated mindcontrol tactic which involves rewriting language in order to convince plebians to blame the left for their crimes, instead of you, who actually caused them.

>>538365698
the private sector owns the businseses, which means we live in a capitalist nation. just end your mindcontrol bullshit, when everyone knows "the united states is capitalist," as well as knowing what capitalism means.

>>538365764
>kulack detected
somebody contact the polit commicar, we got ourselfs a nazi here

>>538365836
cool story, the private sector owns the businesses int he united states, though, as well as everywhere in the west, which is what the word "capitalism" means.

>>538365300
>>538365352
But you're doing the same thing.
Someone could just as easily say 'we don't live in a capitalist society because there are some things that are not privately owned'
When discussing which elements in a mixed economy are socialist and which are capitalist obviously the institutions that are monopolized by the government (doing things, as you put it) are socialist, because those are the ones that are not privately owned

when you understand how badly these people are willfully mindcontrolling you, you will want them dead.

when you understand just how deeply the fascist is your enemy. well, then you will understand.

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>>538365099
both are "left wing" by the classical definition (that the austrian guy you are in your picture is also referencing)... meanwhile "right wing" is monarchy (non-constitutional)

it all boils down to responsibility: in left wing systems (both communism and capitalism or whatever they want to call them) responsibility is dissolved to the point of non-existence... so de facto all crime is permitted and the most "evil" or psychopathic person "wins"

in right wing systems (monarchy) you had persons assuming responsibility that you could hold accountable

unfortunately right wing systems were made obsolete by industrial-grade "education" (i.e. mass-brainwashing) that has arisen at the beginning of the 1700s and was necessary to train people to man the factories

we are pretty deep in the gutter right now... we probably hit rock bottom with Stalin & co. but they invented advanced boring techniques to go even lower than the ass of the abyss

>>538365888
the businesses in the united states are privately owned, which is what capitalism means. fuck off. drop your bullshit. there's no bullshit you're going to write here to convince your mindcontrol victims to blame "the communists" for your crimes, as fascists, in the united states. fuck off, you tried to pass your bullshit off and if failed. now fucking move on.

>>538365926
fascism, and its associated economic system of capitalism, represent the right-wing of politics.

communism, and its associated economic system of socialism, represent the left-wing of politics.

fucking duh. fuck off. how much of what you people do involves mindfucking the public over language in order to ensure they don't even know what the basic meanings of words are? Pure 1984 newspeak.

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>>538365099
Communism is a very specific thing marx described and its fucking retarded.
Socialism and government intervention broadly is one thing, but communism specifically is retarded.

>>538365764
>the government does not own the businesses
The government monopolizes plenty of things that could be businesses. That's not a bad thing. It's a mixed economy. People have democratically chosen which elements are socialist and which are privately owned.
It's just worth pointing out that your logic is circular: the government doesn't own the businesses because the institutions that the government handles are not operated like businesses.

>>538365300
That is not how marx defined capitalism and he invented the term.

>>538365300
And capitalism is not the reason for your problems.
The fact that a billionaire owns a factory is not the reason you cant get laid or afford a house.

>>538366024
>fascism, and its associated economic system of capitalism, represent the right-wing of politics.
technically you are right, but in reality that applies only mussolini-style fascism; after mussolini there was no more fascism anymore (maybe except Salazar's regime...)
leftists call everything left of mao "fascism"

>>538366279
the businesses in the united states are privately owned, which is what the word "capitalism" means. FFS, there isn't anything you can write to undo this basic premise. please just fuck off you're clearly here to mindcontrol people into believing they "live under socialism", when they do not, in order to convince them to blame "the communists" for their problems. which you caused them.

i mean "everything right of mao"...

>>538366319
>>538366388
>>538366373
Karl Marx never "defined" capitalism and did not invent the word. capitalism means the private ownership of the means of production, you're trying to undo this definition in order to push mindcontrol methods on the public which will render them linguistically unable to ever blame "capitalism" for their problems. it's just mindcontrol, that's all. it's just mindcontrol.

>>538366473
It’s ok anon we all make mistakes

>>538366413
no. your pseudohistory on /pol/ is always fake, and whatever the fuck you're posting about is just more completely fictional bullshit you people are inventing in your minds, in order to mindcontrol the public for not blaming you for your crimes, when you're responsible.

>>538366085
>you have to believe
I believe that cats with silly smol hats are funny

>>538366373
The wealth disparity is a problem. When 1% own more than the bottom 50%, that's fucked up.

>>538366373
What about a billionaire owning 50000 single family starter homes?

>>538366578
Do you have any pics?

>>538366601
Scratch that, the top 1% owns more than the bottom 90%

>>538366577
>>538366413
>no. your pseudohistory on /pol/ is always fake, and whatever the fuck you're posting about is just more completely fictional bullshit you people are inventing in your minds, in order to mindcontrol the public for not blaming you for your crimes, when you're responsible.
PS part of the mindcontrol of your post is to convince people "fascism has not existed since the 1930s," which means they can't blame fascism, if it does not exist, for their problems. its an entirely false premise and it's just mindcontrol. everything you people post here on /pol/ is just empty mindcontrol.

>>538365430
What the fuck is wrong with eugenics?

>>538365099
The system that works "best" is dependent on whether you're a self-dependent motivated individual or some useless human dross weakling that depends on others to survive. Capitalism is of course best for non-retarded people but it also largely depends on the prevailing market condition. Free or open market capitalism is very desirable but you can also have restricted market capitalism like we have now which is mostly run by monopolies and oligopolies which sucks ass in a lot of ways.

>>538366659
>>>538366577
>>>538366413
>>no. your pseudohistory on /pol/ is always fake, and whatever the fuck you're posting about is just more completely fictional bullshit you people are inventing in your minds, in order to mindcontrol the public for not blaming you for your crimes, when you're responsible.
>PS part of the mindcontrol of your post is to convince people "fascism has not existed since the 1930s," which means they can't blame fascism, if it does not exist, for their problems. its an entirely false premise and it's just mindcontrol. everything you people post here on /pol/ is just empty mindcontrol.
PPS people you will notice these fascists are always trying to convince the world they do not even exist. they will always try to convince you they do not exist and that they hold no power, and there is very deliberate purpose behind this: in order to render you and your fellow working-class peers unable to blame their for the problems they're perpetrating upon you. this is why this guy is writing "bruh, fascism doesn't even exist anymore!" and it's not because he's uneducated or uninformed, it's because he's a very informed and intelligent psychopath, which goes for everyone promoting fascism, who is practiced in methods of mindcontrol.

>>538365099
>what works best
What works best changes with the economic conditions and with tech development. No fixed method will work under all circumstnces.

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>>538366635
sure
>>538366691
who is supposed to define what the "perfect human" according to what is and who is going to be responsible when its a total fuck up that kills a few 100 Million in the process unnecessarily.

eugenicism always requires a teleological universalistic collectivistic millenarian cult, one that believes that all means are justified by the abstract goal, that the goal is universally valid, that the individual has to submit to the goal and that the goal is going to create some mytical utopia. That is in my view just totalitarian lunacy. No matter if its liberals, nat socialists or communists

>>538366691
Who gets to define the "eu" part, typically

>>538366783
you know people might take you more seriously (they shouldn't) if you drop your schizophrenic obsession with mind controlling fascist. You sound like a third rate pulp author having a stroke.

>>538366929
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meNHJdyr6Vk&ra=m

>>538367045
He's just here to farm rage engagement, pay him no mind. No one could hold to the same schtick so consistently, be so incredibly bull-headed but a troll.

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>>538365099
It's a Judean dichotomy. The only issue that matters is whether the leaders look for the good of the nation as a whole, or are agents of the globalist cabal.

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>>538366659
>>538366783
>wall-of-text leftist schizo with zero reading comprehension calling snow black
ew

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>>538365361
>Communism
>workers unions

>>538366929
What's the ideal system according to (you)?

>>538366780
Everyone depends on other people when they are born anyway. Some people will perform better later on, and even that's mediated by whether your parents are rich or not, whether you are supported by a strong community, and whether you belong to a group that gives zero interest loans only to members of the tribe while fleecing everyone else.

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1st Law of Communism: when workers seize the means of production, then production STOPS hahahahah

>>538366373
Billionaires existing is kind of a problem tho. By definition the state is giving massive amounts of purchasing power to one person, who might or might not use that power for evil.

>>538367365
One where risk and costs are not able to be socialized by anybody without direct consent, not indirect like its currently the case with representation through political parties.
Practically what we got with constitutional "classic liberal" democracies isnt the worst, but it needs real stake for decision makers, where I urge to look at Singapore; anybody being a public serf has his property frozen and if he fucks up its expropriation or death. And the complete prohibition of the "state" to emit bonds, so debt on heads of assumed future inhaibitants of a territory; they have to get along with what they get from taxes, limited to 10%

oh and a non pragmatist solution to the present and past political group and bureaucracy. Germany showed you cant be pragamtic with millenarian grifters, you have to kill them or they will weasle themselves back into their positions

>>538367507
>Georgism
>land belongs to everyone
How do you decide who gets to use any piece of land at any given time?

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>>538367365
>What's the ideal system according to (you)?
Teddy Roosevelt trust busting
+ FDR New Deal democratic socialism
+ Henry George commons profit sharing
+ Andrew Yang UBI

>>538367692
>Singapore
That's a Chinese/Indian fascist dictatorship.

>>538367467
A little socialism is okay and obviously beneficial. Though we have people that are like +30 years old and don't know how to drive a car, have never held down a job for more than a year, and simply can't live on their own. Every society will have a slice of the population like this and I don't think it's reasonable to start conjuring up government centered economic systems to cater to them.

>>538367724
please kys

>>538367744
their anti-corruption legislation is pretty solid. One doesnt have to adopt the entire thing

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>>538367724
>giving money and welfare to workers and poor people
Society would collapse!

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>>538367891
its an invitation for risk and cost socialization. I really dont want to finance some bastards I dont know, nor care for their life, neither ich porr, middle or whatever. They can beg for charity, and maybe I am going to give them something, but automatically setting up a process of redistribution is asking for corruption and exploitation

>>538367756
The amount of men seeking for a job is dropping constantly in the West. It seems like governments have no intention of ever addressing the problem.

>>538367993
You live in Austria.

>>538368021
....problem? What problem?

>>538368089
yes, and I havent made an income statement for nearly 20 years and havent paid into social security for 6. The state is so corrupt and disfunctional that I am currently practically living in anarchism. I dont pay I dont get anything; which is an acceptable state for me

>>538368195
See? No problem.

>>538365099
One starves it's people, the other intentionally overfeeds them

>>538368262
For me, yes. I carry my own risk, which is that maybe some day some mercenary want to put me in front of a judge and expropriate me to finance the communist ponzis, which I am going to refuse and then might have to wait for 3 years until a room in a cell opens up to go on public financed holiday for 6 months, at which point I probably have to relocate during the time I wait

>>538365099
False dichotomy created by disgruntled socialists.

>>538365352
>furthermore, socialism and communism do not mean "when the government does stuff"

if that stuff includes re distributing people's money to other people it is

>>538368349
Living entails risk.

>>538368021
The government largely is the problem though, the problem isn't going to be solved by increasing it. The government bogs down the market with unnecessarily high taxes that contribute little back to the citizens, markets like housing are being artificially constrained to pump up prices, the cost of living keeps being overdriven by tariffs and corporate lobbying. For many the juice is no longer worth the squeeze and there's no point in trying to work just to spend the meager pay on accommodating the ability to go to work.

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>>538365099
the only communism that matters is this one
https://americanmind.org/salvo/what-is-total-boomer-luxury-communism/
and it should be removed.

>>538368195
>Boohoo I’m a selfish chud and want to believe niche internet bs to justify it
Isn’t it 3am in Austria

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>>538368274
>overfeeds
It's not the quality -- people have a natural satiation mechanism there to stop that from occurring. It's WHAT they are consuming that is the problem; and when capitalism demands repeat customers for its infinite growth Ponzi scheme to keep functioning, addiction becomes the imperative, not satiation.

>you cannot get fat from eating animal fat or protein

>>538365099
Communism is not a 'system', it's a political movement. In other words, it's a group of people. And they want to kill you