The reason for the sudden influx of browns in the west is to keep the economy propped up. We aren’t having kids and we aren’t poor enough for their business model to work and maximize profits. They need more and more underclass people to keep the housing market, birth rates, etc up. That’s literally it.The browns and blacks are literally the target audience for all advertising now. They are the priority consoomers. They are in all commercials and are everywhere, they purchase more product and have lower IQs on average, and people coming into the west are less and less concerned with wealth inequality.They are literally a capitalists wet dream. Race mixing is literally just a product of interracial commercials, social media, and porn. Not to say Jews don’t play a part in this, because they absolutely do.
>Importing 60IQ cannibals and putting them on welfare = maximum profits and cheap labor.Yeah, every business I see that's really doing well for itself is just stuffed with orcs from the Congo or Haiti.
demand. it's about increasing demand and growth. our entire economy depends on them, and it's this way because of capitalism, yes.and when you realize the people here know this, and have known it all along, and have just chosen to protect capitalism with jewish scapegoats and identity politics anyway, you will hate these people more than anything you can possibly imagine, for they've been behind the crimes you've suffered from, which they've been blaming others for the entire time.
>>538409846>>538409879kike shill
>>538409916Wow, I never really looked at it like that before. What do you do for work now and what will your role be once we abolish private property?
>>538409846the united states economy depends on immigration because of capitalism. explicitly because of capitalism. and it's communist countries, running on socialist economic policies, which do not require immigration. nor do they have immigration. why are you lying about this? why don't you want people blaming capitalism for this problem, in order to fix it? the reason is very explicit: you are an open borders capitalist who is trying to cover-up your own crime with fake racism.
immigration = good is so engrained into the minds of so many that even right wingers think they must be positive and contribute to the economyimmigrants are such a net drain on social, housing and medical services that california's #1 industry is healthcare, not tech, despite being home to silicon valley. let that sink in as the redditors say. no seriously take a second to think about that. billions of dollars in "healthcare"immigrants send their money back home through remittances to such an advanced degree that in some countries like somalia remittances are 125% of their GDP, and that's not a clownworld exaggeration either. the west is literally a prostitute with a cash register for a pussy, and sometimes actual white pussies, it's multidimensional. every facet of society, every advertisement, every school lesson as a kid, it's layer upon layer upon layer of racial grooming, and every brown and black third worlder is taught this shit from birth
>>538409775is it>we aren’t poor enough for their business model to workor is it that you arent paid enough to afford housing and cost of living? pick one lmao
>>538409775When the jews apologize to white people about doing it, if they even admit that it's happening at all, they say it's economic reasons. When they talk to eachother, they say it is for political reasons.
>>538410028why do you people peddle direct economic falsehoods about immigration here, in order to prevent people from understanding why it's happening? if you really wanted to fix the problem, then you would want people understanding why it's happening. we need to know the cause before we can fix it, and this cause is capitalism. therefore, why are you trying to cover-up the cause?the reason is because you are open borders capitalists on /pol/. who peddle fake racism and jewish scapegoats in order to convince the public that you weren't really the ones who opened our borders, but you were.
>>538409775>the economemeit's loxism, dem programs and boomer pensions. Literally just impoverish boomers, expel non-whites and end kikery.
>>538410038why are you pretending "the word capitalism doesn't exist"? why does everyone's rhetoric here on /pol/ have to revolve around the denials of basic facts, and covering-up basic truths? if your politics are real, why are they predicated on this premise?
>>538409775Brown retards are the backbone of superpowerhood
>>538410127Isn't it strange though, despite the fact that the same arguments all apply to israel, there aren't any economists arguing to flood israel with nigger migrants
>>538409775If only you had applied yourself and been a better person, you could be of value to society. But keep on seething and crying on the internet. Someday Trump will come and save you.
>>538410143anybody who wants to talk about mass immigration without addressing the racial aspect and the very clearly racial policies that set forth these migrations to happen in the first place is either an underage retard or a kike. nobody cares about muhh capitalism kiddo go argue with some tankies on your roblox server
>>538409775We're here with you, pal
>>538410278Isn't it strange how, when you talk about israel, the political considerations of mass migration are very obvious; but when we are talking about white countries, so we are told, those political considrations don't factor into it
>>538409775> The reason for the sudden influx of browns in the west is to keep the economy propped up.They *think* they need immigration to keep the economy going. But overall spot on.For instance, have you noticed how old food brands and items just vanished or changed their recipe? I really had a sweet tooth, but like 90% of all candy tastes like shit to me now. Gradually set in over the past decade, but was really noticeable in the past 3-5 years. We're terminally out of fashion. They're catering to a different audience now.
>>538409846>unless your economy is a leveraged uncovered socialist ponzithat's all the economies
>>538409775>The reason for the sudden influx of browns in the west is to keep the economy propped up.No, it is to keep White wages down.Remember, ALL -isms are jewish and require central banking.
>>538410299Fuck off shill
>>538409775>We aren’t having kidsBut this is trivially easy to fix. All you have to do is restrict birth control and the birthrate skyrockets in exactly 9 months. That solution is so much easier than importing pajeets. That cannot be the reason.
>>538410000Nice digits. Also smartest anon itt
>>538409775nobody wants their son to become a career uber eats driverbut everyone wants cheap food deliveries you reap what you sow
>>538409775>The reason for the sudden influx of browns in the west is to keep the economy propped up.Basically. The pension ponzi is coming apart ahead of schedule and they need to keep the boomers happy, so the imperative for policymakers is1. Prop up inflated housing values, which represent the majority of most boomers' net worth, reducing reliance on pensions. Infinity browns living 20 to a house will do this2. Suppress wages so boomers can get stuff cheaper. Making working age people compete for jobs with infinity browns living 20 to a house will do this3. Suppress inflation caused by money printing to inflate other boomer assets (stocks etc). Infinity browns each sending $250 a month back to Bangladesh will do this by removing money from the economy here4. Suppress popular backlash to working people being deliberately impoverished in order to benefit boomers. Making a big chunk of the population browns who have a very strong incentive to continue #1-3 does thisThat is why the coordinated influx of various types of browns into pension system countries all of a sudden, all at the same time. Other jurisdictions like Canada are also trying stuff like euthanizing a certain % of retirees per year, to attack the pension problem from both ends, but that's the main problem. If you think about it for five seconds, you'll realize that public pensions for everyone require a constantly increasing population that's constantly producing more value per worker (as opposed to service and government jobs that reduce value produced per worker), and it's mathematically impossible
>>538410541>All you have to do is restrict birth controlbefore you do that you will have to "repeal the 19th" as you call it
>>538410449What the right wing has known for a very long time, and what the jews media has suppressed for a very long time, is that jews are maliciously acting against whites. And that their feigned ignorance, when it comes to the destruction of our country and our culture is just that: an act. It's just propaganda. They know what they are doing. Everybody knows what they are doing except for the propagandized NPC's who swallow their lies whole
>>538410316why don't you want people blaming capitalism for immigration?why does your rhetoric here on /pol/ revolve this heavily around gaslighting the public over the cause of mass immigration (which is capitalism)?why are you always trying to push the blame off on "the jews" or whoever else, rather than addressing the real cause, which is your own policy?
>>538409775pretty much and giving women equal rights so they don't reproduce sped up these issues.
>>538409775Yeah I hate the economy. Fuck the economy.
>>538410840>which is capitalismIts jews, Marx was a jew, communism is a jewish fake solution the freemasons present to problems they themselves caused, freemasons working with jews is the reason for immigration
>>538410596the capitalist economy requires immigrants whether or not there are pensions, entitlements, or any of these other things which you will try to blame for our immigration woes. we rely on immigrants in order to create demand, and without this demand there are no jobs for anyone. everyone who gets up in the morning and goes to work understands, "if there are no customers, then i have no job," and this is the way it is under capitalism. it's not this way under socialism, but it's this way under capitalism, and therefore we import new consumers in order to create that demand. and this is just the tip of the iceberg. but your rhetoric is designed to put the blame off on people's retirements, and poor people, instead of placing it directly where it belongs: with yourself.
>>538410647>>538410840And here we have a prime example of NPC retard exhibit A: the fat nigger cocksucker that vomits a nonstop stream of chatbot tier garbage rhetorics. Kill yourself stupid fat nigger
>>538410924Are you trolling or are you just this retarded? have to ask.
>>538410933why don't you want people blaming capitalism?why don't you want people blaming 'the wealthy'?why is everything you write intended to protect these 2 institutions with jewish scapegoating?
>>538410840You are right and getting swarmed because of it. Capitalism has its place, but when it is line go up at all costs it really stops losing it's value.
>>538410924as written above, "why are you pretending "the word capitalism doesn't exist"? why does everyone's rhetoric here on /pol/ have to revolve around the denials of basic facts, and covering-up basic truths? if your politics are real, why are they predicated on this premise?"
>>538411059If you weren't illiterate, like Marx, you'd realize the answer to all 3 of these questions was in my first post.>jewish scapegoatingIt's not scapegoating if they did it, which they did.
>>538411020why don't you people on /pol/ want anyone addressing the real cause of immigration? why don't you want anyone understanding why it's happening (capitalism) and then being able to fix it? oh right, because you are open borders capitalists who fake racism in order to cover-up your own crime of open borders.
>>538411173>why don't you people on /pol/ want anyone addressing the real cause of immigration?Read:>>538410933Oh wait, you can't.
>>538411120when you double down in this way, you're just demonstrating my point about the way you're scapegoating jews to protect billionaires and capitalism, which are the root cause of the mass immigration. which is a problem you people on /pol/ obviously have no true good-faith intention of fixing.
>>538411160Idiot.
>>538411231Read: >>538411239. that's all you're doing, when you inarticularly just gush "the jews, the jews", in response to everything. you're just demonstrating the exact point i'm making. and you're peddling this jewish scapegoat in order to protect your capitalism, which you know damn well requires open borders. therefore, you are an open borders capitalism. and it's the same with everyone else on /pol/.
>>538409775Rightoids are so cucked that they'll defend Judeo-Capitalism anyway
>>538411242why are you writing comment after comment with me pretending "the word capitalism doesn't exist"? then new comments arguing with me further, and denying that was what you were peddling? why don't you just quit wasting my time? and wasting your own time?
>>538409916you have still never typed the words "i hate immigration" or even "i dislike immigration"
>>538409775Jews are the main part in this, everything else is just an excuse for them.
>>538411295>you are an open borders capitalismAnd you are a communist... nationalist? Lmao reading your posts is like watching someone run a marathon in the wrong direction.
>>538411006>retarded commie doesn't understand how anything worksHow surprisingIn a capitalist system, there is no incentive to import net-negative-value people, because they do not generate demand, because they don't earn any money. In our current socialist mixed-bastard economy, productive people are taxed, reducing their ability to generate demand, then that money is run through the leaky pipes of bureaucracy, to be given to net-negative-value browns to spend. If the state didn't have to tax productive people to pay the salaries and benefits of unproductive civil servants whose job it is to give productive peoples' money to browns, and then the money given to browns, the productive people would spend it, driving demand.Socialists, however, have always been big fans of creating ethniklashistans wherever they could, since everyone's known since Aristotle that tyranny is always easier in a diverse population. Ask the residents of the Baltic republics, who shortly after their invasion by the USSR got a whole bunch of their population deported to Siberia, while simultaneously receiving a huge influx of RussiansThe main need for a constantly increasing population is a result of the socialist public pension/healthcare ponzi. If retirees had to live off their savings and investments, you do not need an ever-increasing tax base to pay for their ever-increasing benefits and ever-increasing medical requirements. That's why every single country with public pensions and healthcare for retirees are suddenly, frantically importing millions of browns
>>538411398i'm a communist. yup. communist nations have closed borders. while your capitalist, or fascist (whichever you want to refer to yourselves today) nations have open borders. you know this. full well. full well.
>>538411469>communist nations have closed bordersWhich one?
>>538410000Crazy how we were doing great without it until hart-cellar
>>538410316Immigrants are cheap labor. Period.The employers are to blame.How many undocumented workers you reckon have been employed across the Trump properties over the years?
>>538411425every person generates demand.why do you people always write these walls of text? which render the law of demand immaterial and fake? it's not. the economic law of supply and demand is one of the backbones of the entire economy, and you can't undo it with a wall of convoluted text, full of utter bullshit.more people = more demand.and this is just _one_ of the central reasons upon which we rely on endless immigrants. and i note, once more, this is due to _your_ policy of capitalism.why don't you want people blaming capitalism?why don't you want people addressing the cause of this issue, so they can ultimately fix it?why is your rhetoric here intended to defend the cause from blame, and protect it from any communist reform?why? the answer is "because you are open borders capitalists, who fake racism on /pol/ in order to cover-up your own crimes of open borders."
>>538411657>>538411425>every person generates demand.>why do you people always write these walls of text? which render the law of demand immaterial and fake? it's not. the economic law of supply and demand is one of the backbones of the entire economy, and you can't undo it with a wall of convoluted text, full of utter bullshit.>more people = more demand.>and this is just _one_ of the central reasons upon which we rely on endless immigrants. and i note, once more, this is due to _your_ policy of capitalism.>why don't you want people blaming capitalism?>why don't you want people addressing the cause of this issue, so they can ultimately fix it?>why is your rhetoric here intended to defend the cause from blame, and protect it from any communist reform?>why? the answer is "because you are open borders capitalists, who fake racism on /pol/ in order to cover-up your own crimes of open borders."PS we have a private healthcare system in america. and we have fewer entitlements than everyone else, while requiring more immigration. and that's because your posts on this issue are outright fake. and they're intended to scapegoat the poor and working people of this nation, for your problem which you caused for your own profit, or for the profit of your precious billionaires.and everything you people do here is intended to scapegoat either "the jews", "the leftists" or "the poor" for your own open borders crimes.
>>538409916>demand. it's about increasing demand and growth. our entire economy depends on them, and it's this way because of capitalism, yes.The exact same phenomenon would exist and did exist under Marxism.All human systems grow.All human societies revolve around growth. There is no noble savage live in harmony with nature. A Marxist society will still chase quotas and demand more time from its workers.Look at the Soviet Union.Look at China.Both of those societies functioned off of immigration from low wage areas of labor surplus to comparatively high wage areas of labor demand.The only thing you're able to hide behind is the fact that this immigration was internal because of the ideologically restrictive nature of Marxist societies. This only holds true though in a world where there is Marxist opposition whose immigration creates a dangerous influx of counterrevolutionary thought.In a world that is entirely Marxist there will literally be no ideologically acceptable argument against replacement immigration to ensure the achievement of production quotas.If Europe is Marxist and Africa is Marxist, what argument does a Marxist have against replacement migration from Africa into Europe to ensure the continued industrial and agricultural productivity of the European region in the face of European population decline?
>>538411657>why do you people always write these walls of text?we don't commies like you get pic relatedenough said
>>538409775
>>538411710i know, this is what you people are trying to do now, because you've realized the "the jews" rhetoric won't fly. now you're shifting your methods. trying to blame healthcare for immigration. because everything you do involves working to find scapegoats for your own crimes, in order to cover them up and continue committing them. and you hate the working people of this nation, no matter their race.
>>538411736>"the jews", "the leftists" or "the poor"One of these things is not the same. And in fact its your intention to scapegoat the middle class rather than the perpetrators themselves. We can only hope you'll drink your kool aid soon.
>>538411808Kike
>>538411657>every person generates demand.No, they don't. Every person with money to spend generates demand. In a capitalist system, if someone doesn't generate value, they don't have money, because nobody will pay them for nothing.Socialist programs give unproductive people money for nothing, which they then spend. Except the money must come from productive people. A government can do that by taxing productive people, or by printing money, which reduces the spending power of productive people, aka taxation wearing a mask.The problem is that the public pension system gives unproductive retirees money for nothing. In order to keep the ponzi going, it requires an ever-increasing taxpayer base producing an ever-increasing amount of value, which is impossible. Currently they're importing unproductive negative-value browns and taxing the productive people even more to give the negative-value browns money to spend to fake demand so the fake demand can be taxed to give to unproductive retirees.> _your_Troon identified>why don't you want people blaming capitalism?Because capitalism would solve this problem.
>>538411793communist countries all have closed borders. and historically have all had closed borders. and this is because communist economic policies do not require immigration in the way capitalism does. you can whine, and post your meaningless walls of convoluted text all you want, but the fact is the communists have no immigration and have never had immigration. mass immigration is a feature unique to the west, which is fascist while also relying on an economic system which requires open borders. you know this full-well, as fascists, your rhetoric is just predicated on full bullshit.
>>538411845I can only hope your people started screaming let them eat cake louder.
>>538411875loser
>>538411736>PS we have a private healthcare system in americaMedicare is not private. 100% of Medicare's costs are paid for by taxing productive people.
>>538411902That's a completely made up quote you kikemedia brainrotted golem.
>>538411900every person generates demand, this is a basic fact which everyone can view with their own 2 eyes.why would you deny this?why are you people in this thread all relying on writing these massive walls of text full of convoluted rationalizations, which exist only to deny basic facts, and in the end defend capitalism from blame for the problems it has made?why don't you want people blaming capitalism?why don't you want people being able to blame the cause of the issue, in order to fix it?and the answer is very easy: it is because you are open borders capitalists here on /pol/ who pretend to be racist, or antisemitic, in order to cover-up your own crimes of open borders.
>>538412024>every person generates demand, this is a basic fact which everyone can view with their own 2 eyes.How much demand does a person with no money generate? How much stuff can a person with no money buy? How much rent can they pay?
>>538412024capitalism is nature and nature always winscommunism is how resentful losers want to become winners at the expense of those smarter, stronger and more capable than them
>>538412024>>538411900>every person generates demand, this is a basic fact which everyone can view with their own 2 eyes.>why would you deny this?>why are you people in this thread all relying on writing these massive walls of text full of convoluted rationalizations, which exist only to deny basic facts, and in the end defend capitalism from blame for the problems it has made?>why don't you want people blaming capitalism?>why don't you want people being able to blame the cause of the issue, in order to fix it?>and the answer is very easy: it is because you are open borders capitalists here on /pol/ who pretend to be racist, or antisemitic, in order to cover-up your own crimes of open borders.PS socialist countries have no immigration. and nations with further left-wing politics, but still capitalist economic systems, have less immigration, because the socialist policies which you oppose reduce the reliance on mass immigration. you know all of this, here on /pol/, but you are open borders capitalists who are working to scapegoat "the jews", "the leftists" or "the working class" for your crimes of open borders. you're replacing white people while pretending to be white supremacists.
>>538411173Kys fat chatbot nigger retard
>>538411955Than quit acting like them and I won't believe it.
>>538412090everyone pays for food and shelter in america, and this is part of why immigrants will always stimulate demand and be vital for our western economy. once more, these are your policies which have forced us to rely on immigration. we've opposed these policies on the left, for many decades. you knew full well instituting them would force reliance on open borders. you were intent on doing so anyway, because none of you are for closed borders on the right. you are only grifters. you are only empty, empty, empty, empty, empty, empty, empty grifters.
>>538412116>PS socialist countries have no immigrationThis, aside from being hilariously untrue, is typical commie retardationThe socialist countries had to build walls to keep people in. If North Korea didn't have a frontier of machine gun nests and mines, half the population would escape in the first few weeks.Also, ask a Tibetan about socialist mass immigration, or an Estonian, Latvian, or Lithuanian. > you are open borders capitalistsThere is no such thing. Open borders requires socialism, because no capitalist will give unproductive browns money for nothing. That's what the government does.
>>538412244>everyone pays for food and shelter in americaHow much food can you pay for with no money?How much shelter can you pay for with no money?
>tfw when you make a thought provoking post that helps anons engage in critical thinking and reasoning, opening their minds up to different neural pathways and perspectivesI have outdone myself
>>538411901>communist countries all have closed bordersIn a world where everyone is communist who are those borders close against?Other Communists?The fact that the borders between Armenia, Russia, and Kazakhstan were closed and internal migration was restricted through the sue of internal passports objectively did not prevent the movement of labor between the various republics of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. DlDon't even try to pretend otherwise, it's objectively true. I ask you again.What ideologically argument does a communist like you have against replacement labor migration from the Soviet Republic of Nigeria to the Soviet Republic of France if there is a labor shortage in the Soviet Republic of France due to low birth rates?Preservation of bourgeois sentimentality like culture and race are not valid arguments in your ideology, so what's your answer?
>>538409974He's right though. US inflation was 0% on average for about 200 years. The population grew and shrank but the economy did too, as currency was backed by gold.Now that they've printed TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS they need to import infinityniggers or else the economy collapses.
>>538412284Nicely done, Anon
>>538409775They also want to prevent any sense of nationalism. It's why corporations like Walmart and Amazon promote "diversity". Studies have shown that employees are much less likely to unionize. Niggers, make up ~80% of the actors in advertising. Which is bizarre, because they're only 13%of the population and a net drain on the economy. I believe the reason is to condition Whites to get used to seeing niggers and adopt their retarded mannerisms and way of speaking.
>>538412244>>538412090>everyone pays for food and shelter in america, and this is part of why immigrants will always stimulate demand and be vital for our western economy. once more, these are your policies which have forced us to rely on immigration. we've opposed these policies on the left, for many decades. you knew full well instituting them would force reliance on open borders. you were intent on doing so anyway, because none of you are for closed borders on the right. you are only grifters. you are only empty, empty, empty, empty, empty, empty, empty grifters.PS, and when the whiteman, whom you falsely pretend to represent, finds out what you've done to him, there will be a reckoning the likes of which you cannot even imagine. he will be angry in ways he's never been before. and finally he will be angry at the real perpetrator of his problems: you here on /pol/.
>>538411458>real capitalism has never been tried!!!>What America has isn’t real capitalism… but anyone who criticizes it is a commie who hates capitalism!!Fuck off shill
>>538412250>>538412304communist nations have no immigration. this is just a basic fact. you people on /pol/ deny basic facts because everything about your platform is a phony grift intended to mislead white people into voting for the financial interests of billionaires on the basis of false promises, and a bunch of identity politics which you're pushing on them, from both sides. meaning the "woke, gay, lesbian, transgender, feminist side" and your purported own fascism.why does everything you people do here rely on the denial of basic facts? why can't your posts address facts, and then counter them, if your politics are indeed not a grift?
>>538409775marriage of bolshevick white hating jews, capitalist jews, and greedy whites
>>538412416>>538412566>commie troon avoids answering the questions for the 4th consecutive timeI'll answer the questions for you.>How much food can you pay for with no money?None>How much shelter can you pay for with no money?NonePeople do not create demand. People with money create demand. The purpose of socialist programs such as the pension ponzi, the medicare ponzi, and welfare, is to take money from productive people and to give it to unproductive people.53% of immigrant households are on at least one form of welfare.59% of non-citizen-headed households are on at least one form of welfare.100% of welfare and pension and medicare spending is money taken, by the state, from productive people in order to give to unproductive people. If the money was not taken from productive people, they could spend it. In a capitalist system, that's what would happen.
>>538412363>17pbtid>I saw there was no designated thread shitter so I decided to step in and take care of thatRespectfully leave
>>538412566You didn't engage with a single thing I said.Do you think other people don't notice?There was objectively population exchange between the Republics of the Soviet Union.How do you reconcile this fact with your claim that there is no immigration under Marxist ideology?
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>>538410840Companies may want immigrants, but it is solely the government that has the authority to implement such policy. In China or Israel, the government acts in the interest of the race. In America and Europe, the government serves foreign interests and attacks its own people.
>>538412935Hot
>>538412803You are not worth responding to anon. I've done the same in this thread.
>>538412803>There was objectively population exchange between the Republics of the Soviet Union.It's hilarious. Our dress-wearing friend can't actually defend his retarded positions, so he just ignores everyone pointing out the obvious untruths and keeps repeating the same things over and overThe USSR and China of course engaged in mass population transfers with the sole aim of destroying ethnic unity in their occupied territories. China's still flooding Tibet with Han Chinese right now.Also, the USSR and its satellites didn't "have immigration" because everyone was desperate to leave. That's why the Berlin Wall was built."People generate demand!" is my favorite - they don't unless someone gives them money.
>>538409775https://nltimes.nl/2026/07/03/study-finds-distribution-center-growth-netherlands-outpaces-migrant-housing-supply > Ziesemer said he does not expect quick policy change. He pointed to strong lobbying from the business sector. This lobbying, according to him, aims to maintain access to migrant labor.> The government is also reviewing “shortstay” housing arrangements. These allow migrant workers to live in accommodations without tenant protections. Under the proposal, shortstay would be limited to 30 nights. After that, full tenant protections would apply, regardless of how the property is labeled. Browns are cheap labour, they hire foreigners for seasonal work they wouldn't want their slaves (the natives) to do. Everyone suffers under this system except for the business owners. All humans are interchangeable cogs in their system.
>>538413048Question for you friend. Do you think people just exist outside of your bubble and do not need anything? They generate demand by existing, if money is not given, it will be taken, is that not a demand? You know this in the back of your mind. You are just trying to cope that people wi just be able to exist with whatever happens because you can.
>>538412803>>538413048>>538412683communist nations have, nor have had, mass immigration. period. this is a basic fact of communist history. and if you're working to deny it, then you're working to deny basic facts, and there's nothing more to write in response to any of you. in terms of >>538412683, and your completely fictional comments about immigrants and welfare, i have answered you above >>538412244. but your claims about half of immigrants being on welfare is infamously false, and at-best misleading. you use those false claims to deny the very obvious economic reasons why the US relies on open borders immigration, which relate to capitalism, and the only reason why you would do this is because you are an openborders capitalist who pretends to be racist in order to cover-up your own crime.
>>538413119>All humans are interchangeable cogs in industrial societies.ftfyThe only defend against this, and it is a very limited defense is the enshrinement of Racial preservation as a fundamental cultural imperative.Once you accept the premise that all human labor is interchangeable, replacement immigration by racial others is an inevitability.
>>538413281>communist nations have, nor have had, mass immigration. >Population transfers in the Soviet Union?>Purely a figment of the bourgeois imagination!>Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Siberia?>It fell out of the sky! There certainly was no state encouraged migration of Jews into that region!You have no response.You never have a response.You're a crazy person who sits on this board spamming threads all day.
>>538409916>>538409775>>538410143>>538411006I've been trying to explain this to you guys for over 10 years. You're finally starting to get it.Always remember to remind the retarded direction brains that you DO NOT want Communism to replace it. These are economic models from the 1800's and are unusable with the technology we have, we need a new model.>>538411173It's both, youre never going to get them out of their conditioning until you agree that they are doing it AND THEIR TOOL THAT LETS THEM DO IT is Capitalism.
>>538413491if you're making a false claim about immigration in communist countries, then there's nothing to write in response do you. you make up falsehoods and pseudohistory here on /pol/. the end.communist countries did not have immigration, and any incidents you are looking to in the past will have been purely fictional, presented without context, or cherry-picked. and there isn't anything else to write in response, because communist aversion to immigration is well-known and widely-documented.....including by rightists who tried to use their closed borders policies to paint them as "authoritarian" and "dystopian", right here on /pol/.
>>538409775>We aren’t having kids and we aren’t poor enough for their business model to work and maximize profitsyes , pic rel unfortunately by replacing the bottom of the pyramid you may find there are some.. compatibility issues..
>>538409775>babies first redpill>capitalistslol epic failed
>>538413245>They generate demand by existingNo, they don't. They can only generate demand when they have money. If they do not provide value for others in exchange for money, which they don't, money must be taken from people who do and given to them. But if you just let productive people keep their money, they could spend it, generating demand.>>538413281>communist nations have, nor have had, mass immigration. period.This would be a great surprise to the peoples of the USSR, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Siberia, Poland, Germany, the Czech Republic, Cambodia, Bulgaria, Vietnam, and the Xiangiang and Tibetan regions of China, all of which saw massive ethnic-based population transfers, millions of people and at a minimum hundreds of thousands of deaths>this is a basic fact of communist historyIt's the opposite of a fact> i have answered you aboveNo, you haven't. I answered them for youIf you have no money, you cannot generate demand. You can't generate demand for a Lamborghini even if you really really want one, because you can't afford to buy one.The only way unproductive browns generate demand is because they are given money by the state. 100% of the state's money comes from taxing productive people. If you don't tax productive people, they can spend the money, which generates demand. The irony is that the current socialist system has productive peoples' money being taken from them by force, to be given to unproductive people, who then compete for goods, services, and shelter with the productive people, so they end up paying for everything twice.>your claims about half of immigrants being on welfare is infamously false, and at-best misleadingHow is it false or misleading? It's an objective fact. Do "false" or "misleading" mean "hurts your feelings?"
>>538413524i'm a communist. i don't know what the fuck your post is about, other than the usual "words don't mean anything" slaughter of english which fascists engage in regularly. you try to tell people there are no ideological differences between people, who hold viciously oppositional policies, and it's obviously not a point you yourself believe.what you're doing is trying to write political language out english, in order to render people unable to discuss further politics ideas in the future.but yes, capitalism is the unique, and exclusive, cause of our immigration woes.
>>538413811you're writing walls of pseudohistory, completely typical of /pol/. once more, predicated on outright falsehoods, divorcing facts from context, or cherry-picking. and all to cover-up a well known historical fact which is that communist nations never had immigration. not to any meaningful degree. never.
>>538413912>>538413811>you're writing walls of pseudohistory, completely typical of /pol/. once more, predicated on outright falsehoods, divorcing facts from context, or cherry-picking. and all to cover-up a well known historical fact which is that communist nations never had immigration. not to any meaningful degree. never.PS, you are also denying the basic economic premise behind mass immigration, which is that we require them for capitalism, and i reiterate the only reason why you would do this is because you are an open borders capitalist.
>>538413953>>>538413912 (You)>>>538413811>>you're writing walls of pseudohistory, completely typical of /pol/. once more, predicated on outright falsehoods, divorcing facts from context, or cherry-picking. and all to cover-up a well known historical fact which is that communist nations never had immigration. not to any meaningful degree. never.>PS, you are also denying the basic economic premise behind mass immigration, which is that we require them for capitalism, and i reiterate the only reason why you would do this is because you are an open borders capitalist.PPS, also every post from you people involves the denial of basic laws of economics. specifically supply and demand. where more people = more demand. and there's no way for you to worm around that fact.
>>538409775Good goyim debt slaves
>We aren’t having kids Lots of children are being conceived but are murdered before birthWhy don't they just ban abortion in the West if they're so worried about the birthrate?>we aren’t poor enough for their business model to work and maximize profitsIn the past middle-class teenagers did lots of work after school and at the weekend to get more money for themselves even though their families were relatively rich.Read the book Fast Times at Ridgemont High.However legislation was passed in the early 1980s to help eliminate young White workers which was really only an excuse to then use foreign labor via amnesty and immigration>They need more and more underclass people to keep the housing market, birth rates, etc up. They could easily keep the housing market "up" by giving loans to White people but it's not about that it's about making sure less and less whites have homes but more and more browns.In communist Russia after 1917 all the real estate was taken from the middle class population by the state and given to the proletariat.The same process is underway now except its corporations taking all the homes and they're giving them to the browns.>birth rates, etc upSee point No. 1>The browns and blacks are literally the target audience for all advertising nowNiggers in advertisements are just a humiliation ritual>they purchase more productEvery study has show that immigrants are economically useless and provide no value>They are literally a capitalists wet dreamYes but the rich capitalists have all the power and money so they don't care about "growth".They're committed to lowering the population world-wide and they promote the circular economy theory where in the future everything is recycled and no-one buys anything>the jews play a partI think its more than a part
>>538413811It may sound cringe but the needs of the many must be saited by the needs of the few. Call it a cost of living lavishly for to long.
>>538413831>i'm a communist. i don't know what the fuck your post is about, other than the usual "words don't mean anything" slaughter of english which fascists engage in regularly.I bet you thought that was subtle.
ask yourself why the people on /pol/ relentlessly need to deny basic facts >>538414016.
>>538413912>pseudohistoryHow'd the Baltic republics get big Russian minorities?What happened to the Far East Koreans?What was the % Han Chinese population of Xiangiang in 1950? What is it today? >>538413953>the basic economic premise behind mass immigration, which is that we require them for capitalism"retard who doesn't understand how anything works forgetting he's not on Reddit" is not an economic premise. You just don't understand how anything works.Mass immigration is impossible without massive socialist programs such as welfare, food stamps, and medicaid. It is required because of socialist programs like pensions and medicare. The imperative is to create artificial velocity in the consumer economy which can be taxed by the state to fund the above.But all of the money involved is being taxed from productive people in the first place. >>538414016>where more people = more demand.No, more money = more demand. People with 0 money generate 0 demand. You do not generate demand for yachts because you don't have enough money to buy one. If someone gave you a million dollars to buy a yacht with, you could generate yacht demand. But that million dollars has to be taken from someone who has it.
>To keep the economy propped upAnon, immigrants increase demand more than supply. There is no nation in human history that imported immigrants to boost the economy.
>>538414098>the needs of the many must be saited by the needs of the fewThe trick is not to import millions of many whose needs exceed their ability to produce valueBecause then you have to take from the productive few Your economy is about to implode because you've spent decades reducing the productive few while vastly expanding the unproductive many, to the point where about 15% of your population is supporting the other 85%. This is why your government is now running COVID era deficits while providing less and less services to the population
>>538414207communist countries have infamously closed borders, once more this is a very basic and widely-known premise. and you're desperate to fabricate, present out-of-context, or cherrypick any instance of even 1 dozen people crossing a border in order to falsely present it as "communists had open borders same as the west". and it's an obvious mendacity.the rest of your post is just the usual grift where you are denying the basic economic principles of supply and demand. and this is the way it always is with you people on /pol/. you invert facts, pervert them, then just outright deny them.
>>538409775also a good strategy to undermine workers
>>538409775I can’t believe there are people only figuring this out now. Yes, this is why. There is no other benefit to us, and they don’t care.
>>538414374>>538414207>communist countries have infamously closed borders, once more this is a very basic and widely-known premise. and you're desperate to fabricate, present out-of-context, or cherrypick any instance of even 1 dozen people crossing a border in order to falsely present it as "communists had open borders same as the west". and it's an obvious mendacity.>the rest of your post is just the usual grift where you are denying the basic economic principles of supply and demand. and this is the way it always is with you people on /pol/. you invert facts, pervert them, then just outright deny them.PS i will reiterate that nations with further left economic policies have less immigration, and this is because the further left a nation's economic policies are the less reliance they have on mass immigration.and i'm pointing this out because you're falsely trying to scapegoat working people, who receive entitlements or pensions, now for __your__ crime of open borders.
>>538409775Chad fucks and beta bucks.
>>538414312I'm an Alberta separatist. Let's just leave goverments out of the discussion for now. I'm well aware of how fucked my country is lmao. I am not denying you are right, however the the reason why we are importing people is to benefit the people who need more not less. Also known as line must go up regardless of the natives white opinions, you better not say anything about it or else you are a commie or tranny lmao
>>538414374>communist countries have infamously closed borders, once more this is a very basic and widely-known premiseYes, closed to prevent people from leaving. The Berlin Wall was built because every German who could was escaping to the Western zone through Berlin. The GDR never really recovered from the massive loss of talent> you are denying the basic economic principles of supply and demandActually, you are.You can only generate demand by having money. You generate no demand for things you cannot afford. You generate no demand for yachts, or Rolls Royces, or beachfront mansions, because you don't have the money. You understand this and it makes you furious so you pretend you don't.Unproductive browns only have money to create demand for services and shelter because they are given it by the state. 100% of the money the state has comes from taxing productive citizens, or printing money which reduces the purchasing power of productive citizens, aka stealth taxation. Without socialist welfare programs, that "demand" would not exist.> i will reiterate that nations with further left economic policies have less immigrationThey would have had mass negative immigration, with people fleeing the country. That's why North Korea has the DMZ.
>>538414526>the reason why we are importing people is to benefit the people who need more not lessThe reason is here:>>538410596
>>538414651oh man, you're just repeating yourself, endlessly, while pretending you don't understand basic concepts or verified historical facts. we've been over all of this above. more people = more demand. and you will never succeed in denying basic facts of economics like "supply and demand". they're too crucial to how our nation works.why don't you want people blaming capitalism for our open borders? when capitalism is the cause? there's only 1 reason: you are an open borders capitalist who is pretending to be anti-immigration in order to cover-up your crime.
>>538414898open borders is a down the line result of allowign women to vote this entire thread ignores women's voting rights which are the cause of low birthrates, which is the cause of necessary immigration because>>538410558
>>538414898>>538414651>oh man, you're just repeating yourself, endlessly, while pretending you don't understand basic concepts or verified historical facts. we've been over all of this above. more people = more demand. and you will never succeed in denying basic facts of economics like "supply and demand". they're too crucial to how our nation works.>why don't you want people blaming capitalism for our open borders? when capitalism is the cause? there's only 1 reason: you are an open borders capitalist who is pretending to be anti-immigration in order to cover-up your crime.PS understand, people. this >>538414651 is the face of the person who is replacing you with mass immigration. it's not the blue-haired feminist teenager on the streets, with the obnoxious signage, which may or may not have been funded by a billionaire, in order to get you to vote for republicans, paradoxically. its this person, who pretends to be racist in order to placate you, gain your trust, and make you feel he's not responsible for his crimes. he's your "enemy from within", and if you don't wake up to what he's doing to you, he will consume you and your family.
>>538414728Do you realize in my mind you describing the exact reason why I have beliefs i do? The boomers are the ones propping of the us Israel alliance. They are keeping them comfortable for a reason and here you are shilling for it.
>>538414898>and you will never succeed in denying basic facts of economics like "supply and demand". they're too crucial to how our nation works.How much demand for new Bentley cars do you create? There are hundreds of millions of people in this country, they must sell millions of Bentleys every year.On the other side, the reason the homeless guy on the street is homeless is because he can't afford shelter - he creates 0 demand for shelter because he doesn't have money for shelter.Demand is only created by people with money.In a capitalist system, you earn money by providing value to others. Socialist programs give money to people who do not provide value. Every dollar a government has to give to others is a dollar that is taken from a productive person through either taxation or inflation.That is basic economics. If all social assistance programs were suddenly restricted to citizens only, what do you think would happen?
>>538413831Im not pretending, I HONESTLY have no idea what youre trying to say. I was just saying that there are more than two options. You can at least acknowledge that, right? Even if you think Commhnism is the right choice there ARE other things we can do.
>>538415168why the fuck are you talking about bentley cars now?every person in the united states equates to more demand. every single person, without even 1 exception, because everyone at-minimum eats food.it doesn't matter if they get their money from welfare programs, either. they're still creating demand. and keeping people employed with patronage. and your claims about "immigrants not working" also is completely false. especially when it comes to illegal immigrants, given they're not eligible for most forms of welfare. and every one of us sees them working. fucking everywhere.
>>538415168>Socialist programs give money to people who do not provide valuehey, so I stop providing value and have the socialist program give me money too?!?!Imma fixin' to get on that gravy train rn, no cap
>>538415017>reddit troon really thinks he's swaying opinions when everyone's pointed out he can't answer basic questions and keeps repeating nonsenseIn a capitalist system, there would be no millions of unproductive browns. They exist on money taken from productive people by the state.Business owners think they're getting cheap labor because others are forced to subsidize browns' expenses so they can undercut American workers. But if those browns were not subsidized and had to compete fairly in a capitalist system with American workers, 90% of them would have to leave, and if productive people were not taxed to subsidize unproductive browns, they would have more money to buy from business owners.
>>538415292>>538415168>why the fuck are you talking about bentley cars now?>every person in the united states equates to more demand. every single person, without even 1 exception, because everyone at-minimum eats food.>it doesn't matter if they get their money from welfare programs, either. they're still creating demand. and keeping people employed with patronage. and your claims about "immigrants not working" also is completely false. especially when it comes to illegal immigrants, given they're not eligible for most forms of welfare. and every one of us sees them working. fucking everywhere.PS how funny is this now, from the right? we begin off where they pretend they're socialists. but then the moment you begin discussing billionaires they immediately jump to tell you "no no, don't blame billionaires, blame the jews!". then, they're pretending they're anti-capitalist, but the moment you blame capitalism for anything, it's always "no, no, no, no, blame the jews, never blame capitalism". and then, when you find out you can't blame the jews anymore, we begin to watch the mask unravel, and here you are not blaming the working class for mass immigration. LMFAO. blaming people's rights to access healthcare. or their abilities to receive worker's comp, or pensions. even though the nations all over the world, who have these policies in bigger programs than we do in the USA, have notably fewer immigrants. isn't it amazing what these people will really do to fuck you over, and mindcontrol you into blaming other people, or even your fucking self, for their own crimes?
>>538409775Yep. This is why all anti-immigration movements die once they gain centralized power. The biggest thing is social security and pensions; Whites literally aren't producing enough to keep our benefits going. Foreigners were imported to boost the tax revenue and labor market, but then they out-bred the native population. This became settled policy at the top in all first-world nations because it was the only solution that was immediate and on the table; nothing else works. These nations will cease to function without a tax revenue. Those in charge know whoever is the regime that has to officiate the end of Social Security will be forever unelectable.The only acceptable path forward for the Pro-White Movement is to embrace austerity which in and of itself is an ancient Aryan virtue, but that is like kryptonite to the modern Western White man. They think we can vote our way back to the conditions of the 90s or some other era of the 20th century even when the money isn't there; common problem with all radical movements. They think they can vote themselves into power and then the means will fall from the sky and they don't take into account the constitution of their constituency.In order of what needs to happen>a general racial consciousness awakening among White people>a moral and ideological revival of White values, focusing on those specific to each nation>a spiritual awakening to bolster and motivate the kind of personal character needed to undergo the hardship and struggle success will require>the collective organizing of resources towards mutual White survival and in-group preference>the careful pruning and purging of all non-White cultural attitudes and values that has infected White societiesEverything else is just revenge fantasy porn.
>>538415292>why the fuck are you talking about bentley cars now?Because it illustrates the point you're pretending not to understand. You only generate demand for things you can purchase. You don't generate demand for Bentleys. Homeless people don't generate demand for housing. The only way unproductive people get money to generate demand with is from the state.>it doesn't matter if they get their money from welfare programs, either. they're still creating demand.Yes, it does. Because 100% of welfare money, as with all socialist programs, is money that has been taxed from productive people, either directly through taxation or indirectly through inflation. If you didn't take productive peoples' money, they could spend it on things.> your claims about "immigrants not working"I never said that. I pointed out that the majority of immigrant households are on at least one form of welfare, which is a statistic.
>>538415489>Foreigners were imported to boost the tax revenue and labor marketForeigners were imported in the desperate hope they'd boost tax revenue, but they just made everything infinitely worse because they're all net fiscal negative
>>538410000Yeah this is a load of shit. Capitalism is fine when it's restrained and restricted .
>>538415327Holy fuck anon the capitalist system imported more browns because it was "legal" to do so and to lower costs of any job they manage to get. Capitalists do not care about the population around them. Only numbers, I'm not a communist, I am just not a fucking idiot. You claim if all browns were gone more people would have more money, well no shit, they are here because the rich wanted more slaves. How are they going, under Capitalists? I don't think so, they are to valuable to send back they are already here amiright faggot kike?
>>538415327why are you even bothering doing "schroedinger's immigrant" now? where you pretend on the right that they take all of the jobs on the one hand, but then also that they're lazy and unmotivated and on welfare? we all know immigrants work. everyone. everyone on this board understands immigrants work. and this is why we rely on them. illegal immigrants, in particular, who are not eligible for the vast majority of welfare or public assistance programs. in fact, your whole rhetoric of "blaming the pro-worker socialist policies" for illegal immigration is pretty fucked up when we consider that these people we're discussing are _literally_ the ones who are not even eligible for this stuff. pretty fucking hilarious.
>>538409775sometimes tell me voting for the billionaire guy who needs a constant influx of low skill browns and blacks to undercut american workers wasn't such a good idea
>>538409775We have two generations of humans being priced out of housing, you fucking nigger.
>>538415500no. bentley cars have no place in this discussion. obviously. very obviously.every person creates demand. every person. 100% of them. with zero exceptions. because literally everyone eats. and it doesn't matter where they get the money from. even if it is from welfare, which it's not because illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast majority of welfare programs. but even if it was, it would still be generating demand in providing a customer for a person with a job. somewhere. why are you denying these basic facts of immigration? why don't you want people to understand the reasons behind mass immigration, so that they can fix them? once more, i reiterate, it is because you are an open borders capitalist who is replacing white people for your own profit, while pretending to be racist in order to manipulate them into blaming other people for your own filthy fucking crimes.
>>538415739>>538415500>no. bentley cars have no place in this discussion. obviously. very obviously.>every person creates demand. every person. 100% of them. with zero exceptions. because literally everyone eats. and it doesn't matter where they get the money from. even if it is from welfare, which it's not because illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast majority of welfare programs. but even if it was, it would still be generating demand in providing a customer for a person with a job. somewhere. why are you denying these basic facts of immigration? why don't you want people to understand the reasons behind mass immigration, so that they can fix them? once more, i reiterate, it is because you are an open borders capitalist who is replacing white people for your own profit, while pretending to be racist in order to manipulate them into blaming other people for your own filthy fucking crimes.PS, can we just acknowledge that your whole thing of "illegal immigrants don't create demand because they're getting their money from welfare programs, which they're almost universally not even eligible for?" is fucking ridiculous? and completely phony on it's face? i mean, and completely BTFOd. just admit this fact, at least. and then when you admit that, then everything which you've written in this thread will fall apart too. fucking pathetic. fucking pathetic propagandists.
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>>538415739>>538415500>>538415821>>no. bentley cars have no place in this discussion. obviously. very obviously.>>every person creates demand. every person. 100% of them. with zero exceptions. because literally everyone eats. and it doesn't matter where they get the money from. even if it is from welfare, which it's not because illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast majority of welfare programs. but even if it was, it would still be generating demand in providing a customer for a person with a job. somewhere. why are you denying these basic facts of immigration? why don't you want people to understand the reasons behind mass immigration, so that they can fix them? once more, i reiterate, it is because you are an open borders capitalist who is replacing white people for your own profit, while pretending to be racist in order to manipulate them into blaming other people for your own filthy fucking crimes.>PS, can we just acknowledge that your whole thing of "illegal immigrants don't create demand because they're getting their money from welfare programs, which they're almost universally not even eligible for?" is fucking ridiculous? and completely phony on it's face? i mean, and completely BTFOd. just admit this fact, at least. and then when you admit that, then everything which you've written in this thread will fall apart too. fucking pathetic. fucking pathetic propagandists.illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast majority of welfare programs. overwhelmingly they're the one group of people in this nation who are not on welfare...and while they're simultaneously paying major taxes.therefore, your bullshit is even more ridiculous. fucking laughable.
>>538415605>troon has given up arguing and is now just hallucinating an opponentLmao>blaming the pro-worker socialist policiesSocialist policies are not pro-worker. Workers do not benefit from having their wages taken from them and given to non-workers in order to compete with workers for housing and food. Workers do not benefit from having to compete for wages with the infinite pool of the world's desperate poor. These policies punish the productive, first in taxation and then in higher cost of living, in order to subsidize the unproductive.>who are not even eligible for this stuffEven in states where illegals are not eligible for state assistance, it's very easy to just steal a social security number and receive benefits. In states where they are, like California, you have the public health insurance system starting to fail because it offers full coverage to illegal immigrants. So workers are taxed and suffer higher cost of living to provide their scab competition with healthcare resources that thus aren't available to workers.
>>538409775Poos are the closest thing to Medieval serfs that exist today. And the big corporations love them some Medieval serfs. They don't mind low wages, work long hours, don't mind living in squalor, don't eat much meat or expensive food, and are gullible and pliable. The perfect useful idiots.
>>538415927>Socialist policies are not pro-worker.hahaha, LMFAO, oh man.oh wow, and you called me a "tranny" too, funny. fucking boomer MIGAnomics professor posting.illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of welfare programs. and therefore are the people who are less likely to receive welfare. and there's nothing you can write to the contrary. you don't want to accept basic facts on this board because your goal is not to oppose mass-immigration. it's to pretend to be racist in order to gain the trust of the people who oppose it, and then mislead them into not knowing what the real causes or issues behind the problem are, thus ensuring they will never fix it. as written above, multiple times, you are open borders capitalists, who pretend to be anti-immigration in order to cover-up your own crimes of open borders.
>>538415739>>538415821>>538415906Did you know if you just calm down for a second and try to structure your thoughts like an adult, you don't need to keep multi-replying with "AND ANOTHER THING"People with no money create no demand. Socialist programs, like pensions, welfare, medicaid etc, take money from productive people and give them to unproductive people so they can create demand. The subsidized then have incentive to vote for more subsidies for themselves, promised to them by socialist politicians. Thus, productive people are punished three times by socialist policies - first, by having their money taken by force, second, by having to compete for work with competition subsidized by their money, and third then by paying higher prices for shelter, goods and services, because they must compete for those things with the people they're subsidizing. This has happened many times in many countries. The outcome is always the same - increasing poverty and misery until something snaps.
>>538416100>reddit spacing
>>538416100>>538415927>>Socialist policies are not pro-worker.>hahaha, LMFAO, oh man.>oh wow, and you called me a "tranny" too, funny. fucking boomer MIGAnomics professor posting.>illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of welfare programs. and therefore are the people who are less likely to receive welfare. and there's nothing you can write to the contrary.>you don't want to accept basic facts on this board because your goal is not to oppose mass-immigration.>it's to pretend to be racist in order to gain the trust of the people who oppose it, and then mislead them into not knowing what the real causes or issues behind the problem are, thus ensuring they will never fix it.>as written above, multiple times, you are open borders capitalists, who pretend to be anti-immigration in order to cover-up your own crimes of open borders.PS, notice that no matter how BTFOd by basic facts these people get, they will always just ignore them, double down, and repeat themselves. and it's because they don't believe any of what they're writing. it's all just an empty script they're given. they know it's all phony. their purpose is to defend the open borders. while making you think they're "based, racist, anti-immigrant anti-zionists!" or whatever. and these people are the zionists, too. the hypocrisy is fucking amazing. just fucking stunning.
>>538416100>illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of welfare programs. and therefore are the people who are less likely to receive welfareIt's against the law to steal, and therefore shoplifting is impossible.>you don't want to accept basic facts on this board because your goal is not to oppose mass-immigration.The solution to mass immigration is simple: Make all social assistance exclusive to citizens who are the descendants of someone who was a citizen 100 years ago. This would provide an instant raise to every actual worker, first in wages as the labor pool for the bottom of the pyramid rapidly drained, and then in lower cost of living as millions of people left the homes they were occupying, stopped driving on the roads and using public transport, and buying goods and services (with the workers' money).Crime would drop massively, as well as insurance rates, and while business owners would have to pay higher wages, they'd suddenly have a much more productive workforce with more money to buy their products (the Henry Ford solution). The only people who would unambiguously lose would be socialist politicians whose whole political base is promising to take more money from productive people to give to unproductive people.
>>538416118why is every post just you people completely pretending you don't understand what's written to you? ignoring the posts? and then repeating yourselves? why? why can't you just recognize basic facts? or at least not pretend you didn't read the posts your political opposition wrote in response to you? we've been through all of this 1 dozen times above. people can read above and they will understand you were proven wrong. the end. please just cease and desist from your perpetual repostings.more people = more demand. basic fact of economics. does't matter where they get their money from, even if it is welfare, but the point is moot when we're discussing immigration because illegal immigrants don't receive welfare. they're not eligible for it, outside of a very, very, very tiny portion of programs which you would cherrypick to misrepresent to the contrary.
>>538416195>basic facts>commieLmao>and these people are the zionists, too.I eagerly look forward to the day the Zionist entity is wiped from the face of the Earth, preferably with nuclear fire
>>538416175>jeet posting
>>538409775>The reason for the sudden influx of browns in the west is to keep the economy propped up.NO............ It`s for cheap labor for big industry.
>>538416344Ding ding ding
>>538409775>The reason for the sudden influx of browns in the west>sudden...The Muslims have intentionally flooded the wealthy North European countries for nearly 60 (SIXTY!) years.>is to keep the economy propped up.Explain how providing our million Muslims with a wealthy, work-free luxury life 'keeps our economy propped up'!
>>538416285why are you trying to pretend everyone who is in the country robs supermarkets for their food now, rather than buying it? why? i mean, just fucking why?who the fuck is going to believe that?and if your policy was instituted it would collapse the united states economy overnight. because our nation actually depends economically on the demand created by welfare programs. but furthermore, you're only using it as a special pleading tool, where you know it's not a practical or viable policy, and its one which will never happen, therefore you're pretending to promote it but only when you know it will never happen.why don't you want people blaming capitalism for the mass immigration, which it is objectively causing?
>>538416315>more people = more demand. basic fact of economicsNo, more people with money = more demand. You're pretending not to understand this because then you'd have to realize your entire worldview is wrong.>does't matter where they get their money from, even if it is welfarYes it does, because 100% of the money a government has to spend is taken from productive people. Our current problem is that we have an ever-increasing number of unproductive retirees promised an ever-increasing amount of money which must be taken from a shrinking portion of productive people who are also being forced to subsidize every other unproductive person.Even the commies understood how impossible this is - "He who does not work, neither shall he eat" was Lenin's motto. Right now we've got about 20% of the population supporting the other 80%.
>>538416339you're the right-wing, you are the zionists. our support for zionism in the west is the result of your fascist imperialism in the middle east, using israel as your strategic military foothold there, in order to procure oil away from communists.one more fact you pretend not to understand on /pol/ in order to keep up your fake "we're racists, and antisemites" grift.
>>538416483more people = more demand. every person in this nation eats food. why are you pretending you don't understand this? why does everything on /pol/ have to revolve around fascists pretending they do not even understand the most basis premises? or being unwilling to accept even the most basic of facts? why would it be this way if your politics, indeed, were not just empty grifts?
>>538416464>more troon hallucinations about robberies?Lmao>and if your policy was instituted it would collapse the united states economy overnight. No, it wouldn't.>because our nation actually depends economically on the demand created by welfare programsNo, it doesn't. Welfare programs cannot create demand, because 100% of the money the government has to give people has to be taken from productive people. If you don't take it from productive people, they will spend the money.Also, I'm glad you finally realize that people need money to create demand, and many people would not be able to create demand without the money taken from productive people.>why don't you want people blaming capitalism for the mass immigration, which it is objectively causing?You can of course easily disprove this by noticing that the politicians calling for mass immigration, and calling opponents of it evil and racist, are all socialists.
>>538416539He is not a zionist, just a rich moron
>>538409775Was the economy struggling before we had millions of turdie niggers?
>>538409775Wrong, low IQ brainlet take.
>>538416600>more people = more demand.>>538416464>our nation actually depends economically on the demand created by welfare programsLmao you're actually contradicting yourself
>>538416600>>538416483>more people = more demand. every person in this nation eats food. why are you pretending you don't understand this? why does everything on /pol/ have to revolve around fascists pretending they do not even understand the most basis premises? or being unwilling to accept even the most basic of facts? why would it be this way if your politics, indeed, were not just empty grifts?PS, why are you just repeating yourself every comment?why do we have to this?why do you even think you're going to convince anyone, at this point, that you're not an open borders capitalist who is intentionally trying to gaslight the public over your crimes in order to protect the status quo and keep the borders pried wide open, for mass immigration? i mean, who are you fooling? who here, who isn't 1 of the paid shills which you people regularly employ, isn't going to recognize you fuckers on /pol/, with your bullshit fake fascism, are actually their mortal enemies?
>>538416620>just a rich moronI'm actually rich and smart. I used to be poor, and then I figured out how not to be.If you figure it out, you'll stop being poor too, or at least once you escape Canada you will.
>>538416614welfare programs create demand, of course they do. if a person receives money from welfare and goes to the supermarket to buy food then the supermarket has received more demand. why deny this basic fact?and, furthermore, why are you continuing to pretend "illegal immigrants are on welfare" when we've already established, at multiple points in this thread, that illegal immigrants are not eligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of welfare programs? why does your rhetoric have to predicate itself upon pretending to not understand, or accept, basic premises and facts?
>>538416679>PS, why are you just repeating yourself every comment?Because I'm explaining the most basic concept to you, which you keep pretending not to understandHilariously you've actually started to argue my side, so I guess you do>open borders capitalistThere is no such thing. Open borders requires socialist policies like welfare, food stamps, section 8, medicaid etc. The demand for mass immigration comes from the fiscal impossibility of socialist programs like pensions and medicare.The politicians who demand mass immigration are all socialists.
>>538416654no contradiction. why are you pretending not to understand basic economic facts, in order to protect the open borders which are required under the capitalist economic system? why do you want to replace everyone in this nation, for your own profit? you fucking bastard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequences_of_the_Black_DeathThe great population loss brought favourable results to the surviving peasants in England and the rest of Western Europe. There was increased social mobility, as depopulation further eroded the peasants' already-weakened obligations to remain on their traditional holdings. Seigneurialism never recovered. Land was plentiful, wages high, and serfdom had all but disappeared. It was possible to move about and rise higher in life. Younger sons and women especially benefited. As population growth resumed, however, peasants again faced deprivation and famine.The plague's great population reduction brought cheaper land prices; more food for the average peasant; and a relatively large increase in per capita income among the peasantry, if not immediately, in the coming century. Since the plague left vast areas of farmland untended, they were made available for pasture and put more meat on the market. The consumption of meat and dairy products went up, as did the export of beef and butter from the Low Countries, Scandinavia and northern Germany. However, the upper class often attempted to stop the changes, initially in Western Europe and more forcefully and successfully in Eastern Europe, by instituting sumptuary laws. They regulated what people could wear so that nobles could ensure that peasants did not begin to dress and act as a higher-class member with their increased wealth. Another tactic was to fix prices and wages so that peasants could not demand more with increasing value. In England, the Statute of Labourers 1351 was enforced, which stated that no peasant could ask for more wages than in 1346. That was met with varying success depending on the amount of rebellion it inspired. Such a law was one of the causes of the 1381 Peasants' Revolt in England.
The real reason is to break up the nation state in order to bring about a one world government. Importing third world criminals will encourage the people to accept digital ID’s
>>538416692I have land and property here. I will not move.
>>538416900Over-population is the only problem to ever exist on this planet, all other alleged problems and crises are symptomatic of over-population. Over-population not only refers to exceeding the carrying capacity of a finite habitat, it also refers to certain people and populations who make problems within an otherwise harmonious world. There would be no *insert problem or crisis* if certain populations were fewer in number or didn’t exist at all. ‘This’ or ‘that’ is a “problem” only because these given individuals and/or collectives merely exist. There are too many people in general, and there are one too many people in specific.Populations fluctuate. Perpetual growth is unnatural. A given birthrate is less important than who reproduces and when the people in question reproduce. A low birthrate is not inherently negative so long as homogeneity and territorial integrity are upheld. The right population will settle at an equilibrium with the environment and birth rates will respond in kind.We existed for thousands of years with a fraction of our current population. Exponential growth is not desirable nor sustainable. Having billions of people on Earth is an aberration. The declining birthrate is a natural adjustment to living standards and tech advancement. Without interrupting this, rates would plateau and then continue at their natural rate. The exogenous support from Whites to non-Whites is destroying the world. Let nature and entropy take course by allowing non-Whites to revert back to their endogenous numbers.
>>538416816once more, illegal immigrants aren't eligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of those programs. right? why are you pretending not to understand this? illegal immigrants are literally the 1 group of people who work the most, and pay the most taxes whilst taking up the fewest in welfare entitlements. why are you pretending you don't get this?and this is just the tip of the iceberg of everything which is wrong with your premise, which is intended to protect the open borders which are required by capitalism, but pretending capitalism is not the cause and therefore ensuring fewer people will know what's causing the problem. and thereby ensuring no one will ever fix it. you fucking bastard.
>>538416751>welfare programs create demand, of course they do. if a person receives money from welfare and goes to the supermarket to buy food then the supermarket has received more demand. why deny this basic fact?I've been explaining this basic fact to you. Now where does the government get money to give to people on welfare?I'll answer the question so you can stop pretending not to understand - from taxing productive people. Thus, a productive person has his wages confiscated and given to unproductive people, who then drive up demand and thus prices for things he needs, with his money. This is not pro-worker.>we've already established,You saying something wrong is not establishing. The fact is many states offer cash and other benefits directly to illegal immigrants. All of these act as incentives for illegal immigration. In states where nominally illegals cannot access those benefits, it is remarkably simple to steal a social security number from a citizne and instantly receive all the benefits a citizen is entitled to (paid for by confiscating wages from productive people).
>>538416955>I have land and property here. I will not move.Lmao who says you have land and property? Because it's very likely they'll decide you don't have land and property.
>>538416973>once more, illegal immigrants aren't eligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of those programs.Once more, as amazing as it may seem, people take things that they aren't legally eligible to have.
economic benefits are negligible.what western governments are more concerned about is tax revenue.more people = more tax payers = government can borrow even more money
>>538416978it doesn't matter. it still creates demand. and its entirely irrelevant to this discussion anyway, since illegal immigrants are ineligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of welfare programs. why are you pretending not to acknowledge this fact? why does everything you post just predicate itself on you pretending not to understand the most basic premises? why do you ignore every basic premise and then just repeat yourself, listlessly?why would you do this if your point wasn't to replace the public for your own profit, with open borders capitalism? which you're pretending to be opposed to in order to evade accountability for your crime.
>>538416997Not in Alberta in bc maybe lmao I'm assuming you are referring to the goverment when you say "they"
>>538410143Nah, you're just lying through your teeth and are strawmanning your opponent in an obvious way and to such a degree that you no longer have a coherent picture of reality.So caught up in these ideological labels, you refuse to admit the underlying factor, drawn from nature, which is race. This also encompasses the jews, which behave the way they do because of their race.This "guilt by association" through labels genuinely makes you look like a retard, and I'm not straying away from the possibility that you're simply pretending not to understand things out of fanatical dogma towards jewish communism and a deliberate dancing around the point. It's easy to become a retarded dipshit when it comes to a global paradigm whether communist or capitalist when one reduces the human being down to economic units and forgets about race and other essential, fundamental aspects which shape civilizations..
>>538417029why won't you just acknowledge the basic facts, which are that illegal immigrants are the 1 group of people in the united states which are the least likely to receive entitlement programs, therefore everything you've posted above is utterly fucking moot.even if you pretend "well, demand isn't a real thing, and people don't inherently create demand!" and whatever other obviously false bullshit, the whole thing, regardless, ends up laughably moot once anyone points out that illegal immigrants are the ones least likely to be receiving entitlements.why do your posts revolve around ignoring and denying basic facts? why would you need to do this, if indeed your politics were legitimate and not just rhetorical grifts in order to promote open borders capitalism, while pretending to be anti-immigration, in order to cover-up your own crime?
>>538417100>it doesn't matter. It does matter>it still creates demand.It does not create demand. It moves demand, from people who earn money to people who don't. Workers have their wages confiscated, reducing their ability to generate demand, in order to allow unproductive people to generate demand for things that they otherwise couldn't. This means the worker is fucked twice, first by having the rewards of his labor taken from him, and then having to deal with increased prices for things he needs because he must also compete with people who are using his money to buy the same things.>since illegal immigrants are ineligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of welfare programs.Answered a billion times now. Go read. Also, as of 2024 53% of legal immigrant households and 59% of non-citizen-headed households use at least one form of welfare, meaning workers are paying to subsidize their competition for wages, housing, food, healthcare, everything.>>538417132>I'm assuming you are referring to the goverment when you say "they"Yes. You're assuming the government will continue to decide you own that property, which is an increasingly risky bet in your country.
>>538415500The great crime of modern socialism is that it extracts wealth from productive members of society and regulates their behavior in favor of either the top 1% or the bottom 98%. It doesn't provide social safety benefits for productive people. This encourages people to reproduce who shouldn't be and socialism and communism is all, ultimately, hijacked by browns any time white people try it so they can extract wealth from non-whites. jews who see themselves in competition with whites are also a critical part of all this. All modern-day communism and socialism is presently about stealing money from Whites to give to Nons. This is why no self-respecting White man will ever be a Communist or Socialist. In practice, fuck what all historic theory says, it is an anti-white ideology.
>>538409775>weI doubt you are White.
>>538417154i don't even know what half of this post means. but why don't you want people blaming capitalism for mass immigration? and why don't you want people blaming "the wealthy," for our problems, no matter their ethnicity", instead of just "the jews"? and why are you doing the usual /pol/ fascism thing where you're trying to erase language, and render it all meaningless? by dismissing literally every policy difference in politics as a meaningless "ideological label". why? why do you want people focused on race and ethnicity this badly, rather than having them focused on class? why, huh? why? why, you fucking bastard?
>>538417301>the basic factsYou keep doing this thing where you say "basic facts" for "my retarded opinion which is diametrically opposite of the truth" and then 30 minutes later you're agreeing with meDo we have to do it with this too>well, demand isn't a real thing, and people don't inherently create demand!"You already agree that people don't inherently create demand, and that people can only create demand with money that they have.>open borders capitalismThere is no such thing. This is why every politician advocating for more immigration, and fighting against restrictions on mass immigration, is socialist. Open borders requires forced subsidizing of unproductive browns.
>>538417424>The great crime of modern socialism is that it extracts wealth from productive members of society and regulates their behavior in favor of either the top 1% or the bottom 98%. It doesn't provide social safety benefits for productive people.Yup, it's the problem of starting with a basically impossible premise and then trying to feed and house people with it.
>>538415547The fact it was a mistake doesn't mean it didn't happen.What these reptiles have realized though is that these non-white immigrants are so desperate to stay in and plunder White civilization that they will accept any tyranny if it means they can stay and continue to benefit. They don't mind robbing and killing whites, either.
>>538409906welfare for minorities is just a .gov wealth transfer for corpos because all of those minorities will immediately take that welfare and spend in at walmart giving that money to big companies and political donors. SNAP is fundamentally a government subsidy for the grocery and conveniece store industry.They don't give whites welfare because most whites will spend it on savings or investments and not immediantly dump it back into the economy for corporations to slurp up. its all a grift and whites are excluded because they are naturally too smart to play into the grift.
>>538417366everyone creates demand. every person creates more consumption. this is a basic economic fact which you cannot deny no matter how hard you try. furthermore your claims about "immigrants using more welfare than the rest of the public" are infamously false and predicated on misleading methodology from an infamous far right thinktank....and furthermore we're well-passed the point in the thread where i should just be listlessly repeating my past comments, with you..."why won't you just acknowledge the basic facts, which are that illegal immigrants are the 1 group of people in the united states which are the least likely to receive entitlement programs, therefore everything you've posted above is utterly fucking moot.""even if you pretend "well, demand isn't a real thing, and people don't inherently create demand!" and whatever other obviously false bullshit, the whole thing, regardless, ends up laughably moot once anyone points out that illegal immigrants are the ones least likely to be receiving entitlements.""why do your posts revolve around ignoring and denying basic facts? why would you need to do this, if indeed your politics were legitimate and not just rhetorical grifts in order to promote open borders capitalism, while pretending to be anti-immigration, in order to cover-up your own crime?"
>>538417366I won't deny that you are right and concern of mine not going to lie, however the moment that it comes to that I will move, however in my province there is hope. To be honest your country reposes land aswell, you do it for private projects, our fucking idiot goverment does it for the natives. I believe it is to strangle white owners like me out.
>>538417514Something something, "House built on sand," something something.
>>538417485everyone creates demand. every person creates more consumption. this is a basic economic fact which you cannot deny no matter how hard you try. furthermore your claims about "immigrants using more welfare than the rest of the public" are infamously false and predicated on misleading methodology from an infamous far right thinktank....and furthermore we're well-passed the point in the thread where i should just be listlessly repeating my past comments, with you..."why won't you just acknowledge the basic facts, which are that illegal immigrants are the 1 group of people in the united states which are the least likely to receive entitlement programs, therefore everything you've posted above is utterly fucking moot.""even if you pretend "well, demand isn't a real thing, and people don't inherently create demand!" and whatever other obviously false bullshit, the whole thing, regardless, ends up laughably moot once anyone points out that illegal immigrants are the ones least likely to be receiving entitlements.""why do your posts revolve around ignoring and denying basic facts? why would you need to do this, if indeed your politics were legitimate and not just rhetorical grifts in order to promote open borders capitalism, while pretending to be anti-immigration, in order to cover-up your own crime?"
>>538417542Yeah, basically it looks like they've given up hope on actually expanding the tax base, and now it's just this:>>538410596>1. Prop up inflated housing values, which represent the majority of most boomers' net worth, reducing reliance on pensions. Infinity browns living 20 to a house will do this>2. Suppress wages so boomers can get stuff cheaper. Making working age people compete for jobs with infinity browns living 20 to a house will do this>3. Suppress inflation caused by money printing to inflate other boomer assets (stocks etc). Infinity browns each sending $250 a month back to Bangladesh will do this by removing money from the economy here>4. Suppress popular backlash to working people being deliberately impoverished in order to benefit boomers. Making a big chunk of the population browns who have a very strong incentive to continue #1-3 does this
>>538417617>>538417594>>538417485>>538417366understand, every post you're just denying basic facts and repeating yourself....and pretending not to understand what your political opposition wrote in response to you in order to evade having to face those facts. it's fucking dumb, and it's fucking mindnumbing. fucking pathetic.
>>538409916This shill has admitted to wanting to keep the illegals in another thread.
>>538417594>everyone creates demand. every person creates more consumption. this is a basic economic factNo, it isn't. You even agree with this, when you hilariously assert that the economy would collapse without all the demand created by welfare. People can't create demand without money to spend. You understand this.>hat illegal immigrants are the 1 group of people in the united states which are the least likely to receive entitlement programsThis is hilariously wrong. What is Medi-Cal? Illegals are eligible for direct benefits in several states, including housing, food stamps, and direct cash. In some states they get subsidized tuition at universities and colleges (!). In those states and every other state, they can access all other benefits by using a citizen's SSN.And those are just the illegals - 53% of LEGAL immigrant households use at least one form of welfare. 100% of all of these benefits are taken from productive peoples' wages.I'm sorry that you're having a hard time here - perhaps you'd be happier on Reddit, where the rest of your hivemind can downvote reality away
>>538417711>basic factslmao
>>538417711>>538417617>>538417594>>538417485>>538417366>understand, every post you're just denying basic facts and repeating yourself....and pretending not to understand what your political opposition wrote in response to you in order to evade having to face those facts. it's fucking dumb, and it's fucking mindnumbing. fucking pathetic.PS i want to make 1 more note here, too, which is that every communist nation has closed borders. and every capitalist nation has open borders. and the more left-wing a nation's policies are, the more it directly correlates with them having less and less immigration, and this is because left-wing economic policies create less requirement for immigration.therefore, this entire fucking discussion we've been having, where you try to blame working class and poor people for america's immigration woes, through their supposedly-devious desires to have universal healthcare or basic entitlement programs, is laughably entirely false and moot. and everything i've written to you above was more or less just entertaining your dumb bullshit, because i thought it was funny how you wouldn't even acknowledge illegal immigrants are ___obviously___ the 1 group of people who are receiving the fewest entitlements and welfare programs, because they're the 1 group of people who are nearly universally not eligible for those programs!!!! funny! too fucking funny!!!!
>>538417453Ah, pretending to not understand. Typical.Should I go boo hoo or melt into a puddle like the wicked witch of the west because you called me a name? Histrionic little dipshit you are. Your position seems like a fanatical ideological zealot and not that of any kind of academic or rational actor. You're beneath me, but I will humor you, if only for the lurkers.Why you ask? Because race is the most fundamental factor to how every single country operates and succeeds or fails, always has, always will be.Jews, per their own dogma, don't view any other people on the planet as human beings, whilst also embodying the worst traits of Mankind, and have for about 6000 years of recorded history at this point.The pragmatic factor of them having massive overrepresentation in every pernicious social movement, evil scheme, banking cartel, pedophile mafia, satanic church, and essentially every other bad influence is rather public knowledge.Not sure if I mentioned the "wealthy" as something to avoid, but there are more factors to result in outcomes of wealth besides, "muh capitalism". Class is certainly a factor within a racial cohort, and the current system encourages the rich to be wealthy to international capital over their own volk. But this is practically the manifestation of an underlying principle of all systems of power, including Communism, in that those who enjoy power and privilege within a system, no matter how broken, will have a form of loyalty to that system.And here we return to race, which is a natural and ironclad associative identity trait. Categorically, it dominates any other factor like class, so that's why it should supersede the others when considering a society.If you cannot get over emotional reactions when pondering or disputing the idea of race, then you're not actually fit to hold a conversation. You may be still adhering to some childlike egalitarian conception of Mankind where race can be discarded, but that's simply wrong.
>>538417893You have to admit. The immigrants do get a fair bit of social assistance anon.
>>538417818wow. every post is just you painfully repeating yourself, and pretending not to understand even the most basic shit. fucking amazing. wow. i will just repeat my previous posts >>538417893 >>538417617 >>538417100>>538416973, and this will be my response to you for the remainder of this thread, unless you can acknowledge basic facts or come up with new material, which you can't. and this is because you are an open borders capitalist, who is intentionally working to gaslight the public on the cause of mass immigration (which is capitalism), in order to ensure the problem will never be fixed.
>>538417301>why won't you just acknowledge the basic facts, which are that illegal immigrants are the 1 group of people in the united states which are the least likely to receive entitlement programs, tBecause it's not even slightly true. When an illegal shows up at the ER, do they turn him away? When they enroll the children at the local school, do they turn the kids away, or do they spin up some expensive bilingual program for them? Are the anchor babies ineligible for food stamps? For housing assistance? Who gets priority small business loans? No one believes your lies, leftoid.
>>538417893>every communist nation has closed bordersEvery communist nation had closed borders to keep people in. Do you think the GDR built the Berlin Wall to stop desperate West Germans from coming to their workers' paradise?>every capitalist nation has open bordersThere are no capitalist nations. When this country was at its most capitalist, it had closed borders. Since 1965, the country has become increasingly socialist, and has had increasing immigration. The more left-leaning a politician in a given Western country, the more pro-immigration they are, to the point that in Europe, no matter what a party's economic positions are, even by proposing a slight slowdown in mass Third World immigration gets them smeared as "far-right.">where you try to blame working class and poor people for america's immigration woes,Where have I done that? I've pointed out that they are the primary victims of America's immigration woes, thanks to socialist policies that rob them in order to subsidize their competition for wages, housing, and food.> ___obviously___Definitely a troon
>>538417996illegal immigrants are the 1 group of people, in this entire nation, who overwhelmingly are not even eligible for entitlement programs. it's a level of outright fucking comedy the way you're trying to portray them as "lappers up of welfare" or whatever. and it wouldn't even make any difference anyway, since people on welfare still create demand for workingclass jobs, and this is just another aspect of basic fucking economics.>>538417945fucking walls of text, with just fucking gibberish contained within them. why don't you want people blaming capitalism for their problems? why don'tyou want people blaming "the wealthy"? why is everything you people write here intended to divert their attention away from those 2 things, and force them to instead focus on "the jews", or any other convenient scapegoat? why do you want people to focus on race so much, when you obviously understand you're using it to distract them from issues which will surround class?
>>538418056why can't you people acknowledge basic facts on this board? if your politics aren't bullshit, why can't you acknowledge basic facts? illegal immigrants are ineligible for the vast, vast, vast majority of welfare programs, therefore why don't you just admit that they're the least-likely group of people in this nation to enroll in welfare? and this is just a basic fact. a completely, 100% confirmable basic fact. why push lies, if your politics aren't predicated on lying?
>>538418017>unless you can acknowledge basic facts>stop proving me wrong!!!!LmaoThe problem with your "basic facts" is that they're not facts. And the problem with your worldview is that if those wrong things you believe are wrong, you have to admit that the rest of the retarded things you believe are also wrong.1. You can't create demand without money. You acknowledge this when you say that welfare creates demand. How does welfare create demand? By giving people money they haven't earned, thus letting them buy things they haven't earned.2. 100% of the money a state can give someone who hasn't earned it has to come from someone who has earned it.3. Workers are thus fucked from three directions by socialist policies - first, they must compete for wages with subsidized competition, second, they have their wages confiscated, reducing their ability to buy things they need and want, in order to subsidize their competition, and third, they must then use their after-tax income on lower wages to buy things at inflated prices, because others are using their money to generate demand for them
>>538418212"there are no capitalist nations" now? this is what you're going to write, now? this is the level of embarrassment you are going to lower yourself, too? you're just proving everything i've written above about how none of you people believe your own fucking rhetoric. and our nation has deregulated since 1965, infamously, when we had skyrocketing marginal tax rates on the wealthy, and government involvement in almost every aspect of human life.why even bother? and why are you trying to convince people not to blame capitalism for their immigration woes, when capitalism is obviously the problem?
>>538418241Our countries are different. Yet are suffering from the same issue. My country creates programs for immigrants.
>>538409775They're kind of working on replacing poor people with AI data centers as consumers which should tell you everything we need to know about how fucking stupid our elite class is at the moment. They are openly giving into a scam system to keep a broken system going.
>>538418372every post is just you consistently repeating yourself, and pretending you didn't understand why your points were disproven in the posts above. therefore, i'm just going to re-paste my previous post: "wow. every post is just you painfully repeating yourself, and pretending not to understand even the most basic shit. fucking amazing. wow. i will just repeat my previous posts >>538417893 >>538417617 >>538417100 >>538416973, and this will be my response to you for the remainder of this thread, unless you can acknowledge basic facts or come up with new material, which you can't. and this is because you are an open borders capitalist, who is intentionally working to gaslight the public on the cause of mass immigration (which is capitalism), in order to ensure the problem will never be fixed.
>>538418445>this is what you're going to write, nowWhat percentage of GDP is public spending in the United States? In Germany?>our nation has deregulated since 1965>deregulatedYou don't know what words mean.>when we had skyrocketing marginal tax rates on the wealthy,You think marginal tax rates on the wealthy were skyrocketing in the 1960s? What were the effective tax rates?>when capitalism is obviously the problem?If this were true, the advocates for mass immigration would not all be socialists, and the parties that campaign on restricting or limiting mass immigration would not be called "far right"Is Trump a socialist for opposing capitalist mass immigration? Is the AfD or Restore Britain?
>>538418335>why can't you people acknowledge basic facts on this board? if your politics aren't bullshit, why can't you acknowledge basic facts?How are these basic facts? What evidence do you offer that substantiates your stupid shit? You just aggressively shout people down claiming facts and science and statistics on your side, bullying people and hoping that's enough to make them hesitate in believing the truth. No. I will not listen to your shallow, unintelligent propaganda. You do not impress me with your leftoid grammar and your woke vocabulary... I don't have that creeping dread that I've encountered someone smarter than myself that shames some into just deferring. You can go fuck yourself.> illegal immigrants are ineligible for the vast, vast, vast majority It's also illegal for them to vote, but when they do vote, why would they ever be caught? They register to vote, they show up at the polling place, and no one raises any questions for fear of being called racist. No audit occurs after the fact to show that it happened. No witnesses step forth who know that they're immigrants who saw them walk to the booth, so no investigations occur that would reveal it.Eligibility means shit when no one bothers to police it.
>>538418241Aww did the poor baby have to read something longer than a tweet? Maybe you're phoneposting like a subhuman.Do you think I am a defending of capitalism? Just because I am not a Communist doesn't mean that I am a capitalist. You seem to be using this term as some kind of accusatory term as if you were calling me a witch or something.I am a National Socialist if you want some kind of label.Which means we can have sensible forms of state involvement, but we aren't going to throw the baby out with the bathwater by discarding race as a defining, fundamental factor too.You are aware your response, yet again, contains no argument and is merely begging the question whilst gish-galloping. You come off like a slighted and startled religious zealot, since you're a dipshit Communist enemy.And genuinely, if you aren't aware of the jews, their history, their involvement in the modern world, the role of israel and the jewish banking cartels, then you are an ignorant fool.You probably turn away from this subject merely because it hurts your feelings and not because you can confidently say it isn't true. And yet again, race is an absolutely defining, fundamental factor, to literally every topic you bring up. But somehow you have this idea it's an either/or. Human ethnicities are different subspecies of hominid.Modern academic consensus is too bogged down by ideology to ever make this assertion - ergo, they have abandoned their purpose and can be ignored.Getting angry about this topic does not change the truth either. Just like you keep huffing and puffing over the idea that race is more fundamental of a factor than what you mention.You come off as an individual who engages in these topics in a hybrid of seeking out good ideas, but also by a desire for social acceptance. You're going to have to cast aside that latter impulse if you ever want to not be led by the nose like a dog by shiny feelings and bad actors.
>>538418017What do you do for work, comrade?
>>538418641the effective tax rates were more than double what they are now. and more than even what bernie sanders wants to implement. why do you have to predicate your politics upon the denials of every, literally every, basic fact about this world? and i will repeat my posts above >>538417893 and the million others about how communist nations have closed borders, and fascist nations in the west are the ones with open borders, because everything about your politics is a mindcontrol scam grift.
>>538409775> The reasonRather the pretext.> We aren’t having kidsWe could change this if only we had the will to do it.We are not allowed to have this will.
>>538418640Well the things you mention like illegal immigrants not scamming the system or taking welfare entitlements is bullshit. You're lying, or your perception is so bad that your appraisal of how things actually happen in real life is rather distant from the truth.If you want to seem authoritative about that which you describe, then perhaps it would be a good idea to not come off as an incorrigible dipshit who thinks that just because something is not legal doesn't actually mean that it doesn't already happen systemically. Nuance escapes you, but you've definitely found an authority to submit your will and mind to, which is why you repeat yourself being wrong so ferociously.You being this dismissive and dogmatic about these points makes your entire position seem like a laughable notion. You don't actually have a good picture about how the world really works, yet you think you can pontificate here as some kind of example to heed?
>>538418713fucking walls of text full of gibberish, and nothingness. your politics, as fascists, exist to protect capitalism from the communists, with identity politics and jewish scapegoats. period. the end. whatever else you want to write about yourself is empty propaganda which is fooling almost no one.now why don't you want anyone blaming capitalism for their problems? and why don't you want anyone blaming the wealthy? and why don't you want anyone focusing on their unified class interests? why does your rhetoric always amount to diverting people's attentions away from those things with your jewish scapegoats and manufactured culture wars? right, because you're open borders capitalists who are paid to promote propaganda on /pol/ which gaslight the public over the cause of their problems, including these open borders we are discussing here, and keeps them voting for their own enslavement.
>>538418752How much did you pay in taxes last year?
>>538418640>every post is just you consistently repeating yourselfThat's you>disprovenYou just repeating the same wrong things (when you're not finally agreeing with me) is not 'disproven'Here's government spending as a percentage of GDP from 1929-2011. In 1929, it was 7%. In 2011, it was 37%. When 40% of your total economic activity is state spending, meaning money confiscated from productive people, you are not a capitalist country. >>538418752>the effective tax rates were more than double what they are now.You don't know what "effective" vs "marginal" mean but you want to argue lol>basic fact Once again, "completely wrong things you believe" are not "basic facts">communist nations have closed bordersThey had closed borders to keep people in. Why was the Berlin Wall built? Go look it up.>fascistLmaoThe only fascist country in the world is China.
>>538418892they're not eligible for entitlement programs, outside of extremely cherry-picked instances which you can point to in a vain attempt to manipulate people's perceptions. but regardless, its probably pretty obvious to everyone that illegal immigrants are the 1 group of people in this entire nation who are not able to collect welfare on any meaningful level. why won't you people just recognize basic facts? why must your politics predicate themselves upon the relentless denial of every basic fact?
>>538418907the wealthy love jews and are in bed with them, sometimes on tape, so what are you talking about
>>538418907>why don't you want anyone blaming capitalism for their problems?Tell us about your problems, comrade.
>>538409916Not only that
>>538418980yeah, this is because ___your___ right-wing policies are more expensive to taxpayers than socialist ones. your private healthcare grift, for example, infamously costs taxpayers more money than if we had outright single-payer. or ___your___ military spending, for ___your___ wars against communism. or ___your___ opposition to worker's rights, which puts people into poverty and then forces them to rely on welfare in order to survive. right, these are all ___your___ right-wing policies which force our nation into debt, infamously.and you have no right to pretend "just because the government is doing something, that means there hasn't been deregulation", or any of your other bullshit falsehoods.
>>538418907Kek, cry about it some more you illiterate cur.Uh huh, okay dipshit. You're a stupid retard. No one should listen to your lies.I don't think that I defended capitalism even once. I simply don't agree with you, and can already recognize people like you offer no replacement for it at all. Yet you take that as a defense of those since you define everything by labels and association, not by ideas or rational concepts.You're not here in good faith. You actually can't argue coherently. You're useless. You're defining things entirely by a dogmatic position, not a rational one.Since that seems to be the case, the only reply you deserve is a bullet to the head. All you are is a tool, and you don't even realize it since you're clearly too jumped up on your own emotional state, like a stupid, weak woman - preventing you from ever thinking or leading.Maybe you're a jew and are trying to deflect from your tribe, but that's not going to work here.Where do you think you are exactly?
>>538419173>>538418980>yeah, this is because ___your___ right-wing policies are more expensive to taxpayers than socialist ones. your private healthcare grift, for example, infamously costs taxpayers more money than if we had outright single-payer. or ___your___ military spending, for ___your___ wars against communism. or ___your___ opposition to worker's rights, which puts people into poverty and then forces them to rely on welfare in order to survive. right, these are all ___your___ right-wing policies which force our nation into debt, infamously.>and you have no right to pretend "just because the government is doing something, that means there hasn't been deregulation", or any of your other bullshit falsehoods.PS the effective tax rates on the wealthy were more than double what they are now. on every level, you're just working to deny every basic fact in front of people here, in order to defend the open borders system which is requires by your capitalism. because the only thing which ever matters to you is capitalism, and you're fully aware, on every level, that it requires the mass open borders replacement of every white person in this nation, for your personal profit.
>>538419276>>>538419173 (You)>>>538418980>>yeah, this is because ___your___ right-wing policies are more expensive to taxpayers than socialist ones. your private healthcare grift, for example, infamously costs taxpayers more money than if we had outright single-payer. or ___your___ military spending, for ___your___ wars against communism. or ___your___ opposition to worker's rights, which puts people into poverty and then forces them to rely on welfare in order to survive. right, these are all ___your___ right-wing policies which force our nation into debt, infamously.>>and you have no right to pretend "just because the government is doing something, that means there hasn't been deregulation", or any of your other bullshit falsehoods.>PS the effective tax rates on the wealthy were more than double what they are now. on every level, you're just working to deny every basic fact in front of people here, in order to defend the open borders system which is requires by your capitalism. because the only thing which ever matters to you is capitalism, and you're fully aware, on every level, that it requires the mass open borders replacement of every white person in this nation, for your personal profit.PPS "government spending as a percentage of GDP" also is a relative measure, not a concrete one. and therefore wildly inaccurate. and this is just one more way you're lying with statistics, in the way you normally do, in order to gaslight the public over your own corruption and failed capitalist policies which inherently require their unpopular open borders.
>>538419173>taxpayersHow much did you pay in taxes last year?>worker's rights,What do you do for work and what rights do you feel you're missing out on right now?
>>538419173we don't have a right wing in the US, if anything the elon meme and amazon meme is what's always been going on behind the curtain and it's getting revealed because the system is overheating. Cities human traffick people into them, it's as simple as that. This is predicated on basically Anarchy. American history is basically based on cities illegally trafficking people into them, like NYC, and not really giving a shit what happened after. Why do you think that's where all the communist jews are at? Honestly cities should be allowed to collapse and empty out, their legacy is mud
>>538419173>our private healthcare grift, for example, infamously costs taxpayers more money than if we had outright single-payer. or ___your___Leftoid faggots will try to convince you that this argument makes sense. The guy who isn't insured, and doesn't chop his arm off in a freak kite-flying incident spends nothing on medical treatment in a given year. So how does the leftoid faggot hope to fool you? Well, if he can convince that uninsured guy that everyone spends more collectively on private insurance than they could collectively on communist NHS-wait-6-months-for-a-doctor healthcare, then the numbers actually start to look positive. All he has to do is convince you that "you" isn't singular, but that you belong to some hivemind monstrosity thing, and that you're bad and shameful if you see yourself as an individual. Now, that'd be impossible to do, because you're neither retarded nor insane... but the leftoid faggot is patient in ways real humans can't be. He'll infiltrate school boards and education departments, and wait 40, 60, or 100 years until he can brainwash your grandchildren and great grandchildren in public schools. And of course, he didn't figure this out yesterday... he figured it out 40, 60, and 100 years ago. And when the idiots you grew up with, your friends from grade school, start talking about universal healthcare, well, it worked on them.
>>538419443"we don't have a right-wing in the US", this is your answer? you're going to try to play this game now? in our nation, where we don't even have basic leftist policies which are the norm in the rest of the world? and where we've been at war for 80 years with communism everywhere it exists in this globe? why even fucking bother, man? why do your politics here on /pol/ always have to predicate themselves upon the denials of every basic fact with humanity?
>>538419653i dunno wtf this post even means. whenever i read posts with "leftoid faggot" written in them and buzzphrases like that, i more or less tune out. but pic rel is an informative meme for you. and i'm certain you'll just ignore, and the move on and write more asinine bullshit intended to defend the class interests of the billionaires.
>>538419883>>538419653>i dunno wtf this post even means. whenever i read posts with "leftoid faggot" written in them and buzzphrases like that, i more or less tune out. but pic rel is an informative meme for you. and i'm certain you'll just ignore, and the move on and write more asinine bullshit intended to defend the class interests of the billionaires.ignore it*.damn, it's hilarious when you people come out openly against universal healthcare, anyway. at this point, your pseudopopulist mask has just completely fallen off of your grotesque, deformed, billionaire-loving faces.
what we witnessed in this thread is the thought-process of /pol/, on display. when it turned out they couldn't "blame the jews" in their usual fashion, or "blame the leftists" which is their usual 2nd option, they immediately shifted tactics to "blame the working class," and i can't think of anything funnier than this.and you used it as a cudgel to try to take away entitlement programs from working people, namely their access to healthcare, and pensions. and even though you failed in that, too. it was still funny to watch your masks fall off and have a glimpse of how you're really operating behind the pseudo "populism" grift.
>>538419976Why won't you tell us what you do for work and what worker rights you feel you're missing the boat on, and how much taxes you're paying?Try to describe the problems you're having and how you feel that communism will improve your situation.
>>538420150>entitlement programs from working peopleWhat do you do for work? Who do you feel is denying you the ability to purchase health care or a get a job that offers a pension?
remember, people, communist nations are the ones with the closed borders.
communist nations have closed borders, because communist economic policies do not rely upon mass immigration, the way the fascist's economic policies do.
>>538420491You keep mentioning the workers. What do you do for work? Post pics of your work boots with timestamp.
everything about this meme is true >>538420491. even though i make no claims to being particularly conservative myself. it is the fact that the nations governed by fascism end up with liberalism for various concrete reasons. and the nations governed by communism end up with, not fascist, but moderately and reasonable socially conservative policies.
>>538409775jews and bill gates types need whites gone.White people are too intelligent and good for humanity. We make things like human rights and the Magna Carta.If you kill whites that goes away and you just have low IQ subspecies browns and chinks that are docile and destructive. Its perfect for kikes.White people = We've seen God and want to reach him.Brown people= eat and shitOnce whites are gone, they can have their intended hellworld to replace clownworld. Unless?
>>538420621OP here, I just got off work and I see you have 74 posts here. Could you just summarize what you’re saying in one big post to help me out? You seem pretty passionate about defending your stance, I just want to understand better
>>538409775we know how the system operates nigger...here is the deal, what jews and the rich can't seem to grasp...genetics are culture; and if you import niggers, you get a nigger economy.how can you have growth, when the people you are importing to replace, work for, and expand the economy, are lower IQ, nigger genetics... you can take the nigger out of africa, but you can't take africa out of the nigger.'because jews are a parasite which kills its host; and they've consumed they best host they ever had, there is only a downfall from here....what is funny...is if you look at AI, the next great thing... it is all based on white people intelligence.... so, AI is already maxed out... everything is maxed out; and been maxxed; for a while now, and the slow decare of the west and rise of china is nothing more than a genetic shift.the jews are trapped... they only have indians and niggers to feed off of, cause the chinese, who're smart; look different enough to isolate from the jew.just image how fucked the jew really is... all manufacturing and future innovation will be from the chinese, while the jew will be trying to scuk life out of the Indian... probably beating them like the british did, and they will just gandi, and do nothing; an the jew, like the british will die.this whole wwIII is about the jew trying to gain control over the chinese, and north koreans, who are also smart; they will try to use the japanese as leverage; but, the Japanese will gandi, and fight back. they hate gaijin; and know how the jew is making them suffer for no reason.
>>538409775The underlying purpose is to destabilise the West and to weaken its civilization by marginalizing the host population. That is what happens when to introduce alien peoples to your country. I will remind you that humans (like literally every other species) are tribal animals. As in we are inclined to congregate and trust others who are alike ourselves. Not to mention we all differ cognitively. After all - culture quite literally is an expression of the mind. Look at how Negroes behave on public transportation in comparison to other peoples. That is just one example. For that reason you cannot put two very distant peoples in the same living space. It will cause nothing but trouble. It is no different to putting pit bulls and house cats in the same backyard. That is the reason why nation-states exist to begin with. They are biological weapons plain and simple.https://www.tiktok.com/@justicethejester/video/7555717677168299277
>>538419744>basic leftist policies you mean socialist? we have tons of socialist policies
>>538421398>this whole wwIII is about the jew trying to gain control over the chineseReally nigger?
>>538421209He's a communist faggot plugging our responses into chatgbt to produce buzzword riddled vomit trying to shift blame from jews to muh capitalism. Thats how he can shit out 74 walls of text and pure bullshit. Ignore that damage controling kike.
>>538409775Read the /jjg/ threads in the archive to learn how to get rid of pajeets. https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/%2Fjjg%2F/type/op/https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/%2Fjjg%2F/type/op/https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/text/%2Fjjg%2F/type/op/
>>538409775keeping the economy propped up (never allowing asset holders to take a loss) is the reason why people aren't forming families. Normally those pullbacks would allow new people to buy from those who overextended themselves, and at a good price.
>>538409775>The reason for the sudden influx of browns in the west is to keep the economy propped up.That's the excuse. The economy is a much more complex picture than "more people = good." Certain demographics like famously US niggers are be a net drain. Interestingly enough, women overall are as well. They end up being something like -250k lifetime fiscal impact in the US, including white women in that calculation. That's because the higher life expectancy results in more years sucking down the maximum level of Medicare payments. White and east Asians males are the only net positive contributors on the lifetime fiscal impact measure. Women get to enjoy the product of a man's lifetime of labor even after we die. So the entire system is based around extracting wealth from men on behalf of women. This was okay when women were fulfilling their end of the social contract by having kids. But now the jews claim we must have millions of migrants to achieve that goal.So basically, we need more productive people, not just more of anyone who will come. Muslims don't do shit, jeets scam, and beaners happily work under the table while collecting benefits. We should only be taking European immigrants, no one else. Otherwise the productive classes get even more burdened by having to pay for browns and niggers to breed and sit on gibs.
>>538409775That's bullshit, just a justification for mass migration. The primary reason for it is ethnic replacement, they want white people gone, it has nothing to do with money. States have already demonstrated their willingness to simply print their way out of fiscal problems. Social programs may require more people to contribute than take from, and an aging population with low birth rates complicates this, but it's not some doomsday scenario that requires moving 100 million jeets into Canada by 2100. If private companies can downsize, so can the government. All of their other actions also do not support this idea of economic growth. They would be supporting natural resource exploitation and manufacturing expansion, along with tariffs to protect domestic industry. Trump may be bought by jews, but half of his agenda at least alligns with this if you also take into account his stance on immigrants.
>>538410201because there was no such thing as "capitalism" until Marx invented it in his communist kvetchifesto. You knew that, right?
