Or just another boogeyman weapon to scare boomers?
>>538423184Nukes are fake n gay.
>>538423184Bump
>>538423184putin doesnt have the balls. its not like ukraines a part of nato.
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>>538423184If Russia launches a nuke then China and India will both lose their shit and cut them off. And at that point the Russian economy is toast. Nobody's launching a nuke.
>>538424884Neither France nor the UK would answer in kind, certainly not the USA. Why should they, officially non is at war with Russia
russia is only accelerating its own destruction everytime it escalates this war and doesn't tap out. using nukes would make the pariahs someone nobody can trust and must always treat as a secret enemy
>>538424967China? They can't. 100% dependent on Russia oil. India, Indians don't give a shit about western afairs.
>>538424967Anon, nobody cut America off when they bombed Japan, nobody will cut Russia off.
>>538425040russia using nukes would push china and the united states closer against a common enemy
>>538425027Pariah to who? The EU and UK? They already sanctioned Russia totally, what are they going to sanction more? Air coming from Russia
>>538425099US, India and China the 3 countries that matter most
>>538425073No it wouldn't. China can't trust the US, it rather deals with an economically weaker partner than submit to uncle Samir. Also the USA strangling their Iranian oil source is not very much helping
>>538423184What exactly is a dummy nuke? Iskandrs, khinzals and those KH-whatever cruise missiles are all nuke capable and they throw them around almost daily. Why is this one news worthy?
>>538423184Fire bombs. They only killed like 20,000 Japanese and that was with 2 allegedly. Why isn’t Japan like Chernobyl?
>>538425070Completely different scenario, obviously. China's just about to overthrow the US as the world's economic and technological superpower. The very last think it wants is a bunch of drunken ivans fucking the world up by turning a failed invasion into a full blown nuclear war.
>>538423184>ICBM>"Dummy nuke"Total Journalist Death
>>538425120India doesn't care about it, it wouldn't gain anything from licking us balls exclusively. China as said, its strategically smarter to ignore and keep being dependent for oil on a weaker economic partner, and the US, has no incentive to get further involved Russia could throw a nuke today on Brussels even and it would get away with it outside of strong letters and thoughts and prayers
>>538425226Nuclear war. And who exactly would retaliate by kind? You? You are not even at war with Russia. France? Please
>>538423184>just another boogeyman weapon to scare boomers?Yes it's why NATO have never directly invaded a nuclear power and vice-versa out of fear of weapons they know don't exist.
>>538423184>nukes are fake and gay>use fake nukes to proof they're real>nukes are fake and gaykek
>>538423184This would just push other countries to build nukes, germany, japan, poland etc. I think he could get away with it, but his reputation would be worse than it already is. Grandma calling him the antichrist level shit.
>>538425357Not looking good for Ukraine right now, the NATO/EU tranny jew freakzoid circumcised idiot brigade needs to smooth things over.
>>538425120>India matters Lmao
Bump
>>538425444They have no incentive to do so and every inventive to keep the conflict onUkraine is just an economic ponzi flywheel for the EU and UK>Gibs loan to Ukraine >Have Ukraine buy EU weapon systems with loan >GDP goes line upThe EU and UK have more of an incentive to keep the conflict going than Russia or Ukraine
>>538425163Who is China going to trust more. The United States that is scared shitless of China or Russia the lunatics who are nuking people? Trust is not a binary system retard-kun
>>538425981Stop consuming msm propaganda like a retard. This is great power politics, there are no morals involved, just interests and profits. If it benefits China, Russia could summon the devil himself by sacrificing 6,000,000 virgins on livestream and china would still trade with Russia to secure its energy needs
>>538423184I have a chemistry degree. I’ve taken a few classes on nuclear chemistry, though it’s not really my field. I’m happy to answer questions anyone might have about the physics.
>>538427115why would anyone think a missile might not have a nuke on it? you only need icbms for long distance. stupid ass drone can carry one.
>>538425768They are giving them the materiels and then the European taxpayers will pay for restocking what was given.European union member states are taking loans to give free shit to Ukraine basically.Current Swedish ZOG regime is taking loans to give free shit to the pig jew Zelensky. A transfer of money from the European taxpayer to smallhat oligarks and their stooges.They'll keep pushing this marxist liberal cancer ideology until the whole continent collapses.
>>538427358I don’t know, I’m not in the military. Really, I just want to talk to one of the people who don’t believe they’re real/possible. You’d have to believe that nuclear power plants are also fake by that logic, I would imagine.
>>538427358I guess I would have to say that a lot of the miniaturized nuclear weapons, such as the Davy Crockett and ADM are pure fission devices. Those are inefficient and dirty. This is speculation, but I somehow doubt that any nuclear state still produces or maintains fission weapons. Fusion devices need a lot of shielding and reflector assemblies, they might be hard to fit onto a drone. Plus, a ballistic missile is probably harder to intercept. Though I hope nuclear weapons are never used in anger, I think it would have been cool if Russia continued development of fractional orbit delivery
>>538427708No jews involved. Just native polity and industries that desperately try to cover up technical recession with literal ponzis.
>>538428324>No jews involved.
>>538428447Marx bin Islam, out of 100 actors involved in this ponzi, 97 are statistically speaking natives
>>538428102> somehow doubt that any nuclear state still produces or maintains fission weaponsIt would be interesting to know if it’s possible to start a fission reaction purely with the energy in a hypersonic impact?? If it was possible all you would need is a small critical mass collision initiator in the hypersonic vehicle. Some nutter has possibly already tested such an idea
>>538427358Because we know where it came from via satellite detection methods and the capabilities of the origin country by intelligence. But realistically, Iran could lob a short of medium range ballistic missile with a warhead on it and no one would know until it detonated. However, it's wholly dependent on the type of missile and their potential nuclear capabilities. Iran needs a big boy missile to launch a warhead because at best they have a rudimentary implosion device that weighs literally a ton, so your precluded from lobbing nukes based on your launch vehicle. Now you know why we really went to the Moon.
>>538428515Get out of Austria shitskin. The US created the European union.
>>538423184Nukes are fake, they only exist in boomer mind, like the moon landing and the holohoax.
>>538423184I honestly believe Russia will nuke the west. Russians believe they will go to heaven if they nuke the west. It’s a common belief that goes back to the Soviet Union. It might be a deal between China and Russia to sacrifice Russia for chinas gain. After the nuclear war China will make its move and invade Korea, Japan, SEA, Central Asia and eastern Russia. Consolidate its gains and in the next century China will conquer the rest of the world.
>>538428619Statistically speaking, screeching about the yid on 4bots makes you most likely a shitskin or a marxist
>>538428102Nuclear weapons of any size have inherent minimum size restrictions. Realistically, the theoretical maximum of potential weight is probably at the limit with modern warhead designs like the B-61 Mod 13 and whatever is going on top of the Sentinel. The primary has theoretical limits for criticality based on weight (approximately 35lbs), but this can be reduced by explosive shockwave front shaping (i.e. fancy explosive lenses) the neutron generator used, and potentially the shape of the primary. And to be clear, I am just a regular person who does not work for the NNSA, but is very interested and well read in nuclear weapons for one reason or another.
>>538423184ciminally overrated weaponsIF everyone lanched everything they have in stockpile at once, and every rocket or bomb goes off without a fail, and they all specifically target most densely populated areas on the planet, death toll wont reduce population by 50%THAT MUCH OVERRATED
>>538428697>Statistically speaking>It's da gooooooyysssGet a real job tranny
>>538428102I also forgot to add the might be two stage weapons, or booster fission weapons. They are a whole lot cheaper and require far less technical sophistication to maintain. You can crank out hundreds of kilotons worth of yield with a proper booster fission weapon. The limiting factor is your ambition to mount them, specifically more than one of them, on a long range delivery system.
Nuclear forces are tremendously more powerful than electrical forces. Think about the forces reqiuired to bind an electron to a proton. Most of the atom is empty space. Now imagine the force require to bind 100 protons together in the center in a space 1000x smaller. Guess what, that force is way way stronger. I would say it's not even well understood, but since the nucleaus exists such a force must exist. The kind of energies we're talking about are completely off the scale. An electrical force can heat your waffle. A nuclear force can blow up your town.Now atoms come in all shapes and sizes, sometimes atoms have more nuetrons than they need, called an isotope. These atoms will randomly degrade into a different form depending on the half-life of that particular isptope.Because there's trillions of atoms packed together, even if the half life is relatively long there's still tons of decay events happening per second. In the case of Uranium 235, the neutrons it releases can impact other U-235 atoms and cause them to release their neutrons as well.There's something called the "mean free path", it's basically the average distance a particle goes in a material before impacting another particle. In uranium the mean free path is about like 8 inches. Now if the material has more neutrons leaving from the surface than are generated inside, it's said to be sub-critical. But the moment that changes, it can go critical. Suddenly decay events are leading to more decay events in an unstopable cascade and not enough neutrons are leaving to slow down the reaction. In practice, you just need to bring two sub-critical masses together to form a critical mass, and then it goes boom all by itself in a moment. A decay event triggers another, which triggers 3 more, which all trigger 3 more...etc until literally the whole material is swimming with reactive neutrons. You're splitting so many nucleii apart it's releasing untold quantities of energy. Hence a nuclear explosion.
>>538428585Doubtful. While the energies involved in such a collision are high enough, all it would do is dash the core to pieces before it could reach supercriticality. There’s a factor, k, which measures how many neutrons are produced by a single ‘input’ neutron in a fission reaction. In a fission weapon, the chain reaction is complete in ~500-1000 nanoseconds. Your K value must be as high as possible to complete this before the device destroys itself, and to achieve that usually there is an external neutron source such as tritium, and the core must be compressed to an extreme degree. There are also neutron reflectors, assuming the device is not an enhanced radiation weapon. Plus, ground detonations are undesirable. A lot of the energy is wasted, and the amount of fallout produced is unacceptable
>>538428948Studies proved the size and efficiency of the explosion depends on how fast the sub-critical masses are jammed together. So in the most simple type of bomb, dynamite is use to crush the material in on itself extremely rapidly and then it goes critical (implosion type bomb). As for thermonuclear weapons. Well it turns out there's a ton of energy released when one isotope of water transitions to another. In this case rather than splittint apart, atoms are fused together, hydrogen into helium the same reaction happening inside the sun. The problem here is, this reaction requires an insanely huge ignition temperture of millions of degrees. So hot that the onky known way to ignite it is with a nuclear bomb. However the energy released is on a different magnitude entirely.So the process is to isolate the isotopes of water you need (so called 'heavy water', deutrium and tritium) then store them in a separate little compartment on the nuclear bomb. This supetchages the bomb and turns it from kiloton to megaton. From blowing up a small town to blowing up a huge city.As a side note, these isotopes are freely produced in water. If you were smart, you could get near-infinite energy out of nothing but water using this reaction. The problem we face is the reaction is so hot no known materials can contain it. But in scifi stories you will often see water being mentioned as a powerful fuel source and often magnetic bottling is used to contain it.
>>538428948>Nuclear forces are tremendously more powerful than electrical forces.Huh
>>538428996he means on atomic level
>>538428929>booster fissionI’m unfamiliar with the term. Are you talking about fusion devices?
>>538428585Ground explosions are much less devastating. For maximum blast carnage they typically detonate 2000 to 5000 ft above the target. Ground detonations are for liquifying bunkers.
>>538429053The jeet is basically pasting AI schlopp, look at the time between his posts.Ya fucking goof kikes.
>>538428996i think he’s trying to explain that the energy that can be produced by mass defect vastly exceeds energy that can be produced by breaking electromagnetic bonds of explosive chemicals
>>538428996The nuclear force is literally called "the strong force". It's not just strong, it's beyond strong. The amount of energy it releases is on a totally different scale. It's the difference between a skyscraper and a lego set
>>538429134>>538429150>Grok make me nuclear expert saaar>Nuklear power elektrixs saaaar>India nuklear sooupapowwerr ssaaar
>>538429228I have a master’s in chemistry. I never said I was an expert in nuclear physics, only that I’ve taken a handful of nuchem classes. I promise I’m smarter (and wealthier) than you
>>538429228Generally forces go with 1/r^2So if something is twice as closez it exerts 4x the force.Now the nucleus is like 1000x smaller than the atom. So the forces required to keep this nucleus together are going to be 1000^2 or 1,000,000x larger. That's the idea anyway.The reason why I said it's not well understood, is because people understandably asked, if the force is that strong how come it stays in the nucleus onstead of leaking out? So they just arbitrarily tacked an e^-r term on there so it would go to zero faster. That's a little bit of handwavey hocus pocus that's almost assuredly bullshit.
>>538423184Until someone uses one in my lifetime definitively in 4k I have to conclude they're fake.
>>538429267>Im smurter and wealthier than uOh no no no
>>538429399Why don’t you think they’re real? In fission weapons, it’s the exact same process that occurs in a nuclear reactor, just on a much smaller time scale
>>538423184>nuclear holocaust>all major cities destroyed>cities are full of shitlibs & niggers anyway>USA becomes 80% white protestant>Europe's demographics return to those of about 200 years agoWait why is this a bad thing again
>>538429517The problem is you have to keep it to a very limited nuclear exchange, thatnonly targets a couple of the main cities. But if they start hitting all the small towns and carpet bombing everything, it's just over for all life on this land period.
>>538429639The secondary effects of that would end all life on earth, anyways. Imagine a city like Houston on fire. All the petrochemical plants burning would be an unmitigated ecological disaster. Might not be near instantaneous ala the day after tomorrow, but in 10 years I think the survivors would be fucked.
>>538428948>Nuclear forces are tremendously more powerful than electrical forces. Think about the forces reqiuired to bind an electron to a proton.Nigga what? The only force "binding" an electron to a proton is the electrical force between the two.
>>538423184Bamp
>>538429747Yeahhh.....uhhh....???
>>538425203Because you're too stupid to understand the difference between how a nuclear bomb and a nuclear reactor work.
>>538429747He’s getting it confused with proton-proton repulsion. Protons and electrons attract, the strong force is not required to bind then
>>538428976>there's a ton of energy released when one isotope of water transitions to another>isolate the isotopes of water you need (so called 'heavy water', deutrium and tritium)Nigger this isn't even ChatGPT quality writing. And that isn't even close to how a hydrogen bomb (or thermonuclear bomb, or sometimes rather badly mistakenly called a fusion bomb) works.
>>538429639They don't have the raw number of bombs for it
>>538424967Who needs an economy when Russia can nuke the remaining resistance in Ukraine to soot and occupy it that way while the rest of the world runs out of oil?
>>538429867plus> So hot that the onky known way to ignite it is with a nuclear bomb.fusors were invented in the fucking 30’s
>>538429867Yeah fusion reaction uses deutrium and tritium and instead of splitting the atom it fuses two atoms together, which ends up alsonreleasing energy.You know it's odd. When atoms are small, fusing them releases energy. When atoms are large, splitting them releases energy. There's no hard and fast "rule" it's kind of touch and go.
>>538429987there’s no such thing as a water isotope, dipshit. you have no fucking clue what you are talking about
>>538429987No poopy on 4th July saaarAsk grok how to go on the potty.
>>538429944>fusors were invented in the fucking 30’sHydrogen fusion has an ignition temperature of 15 million Kelvin. How are you going to reach 15 million Kelvin with no nuclear bomb to help you
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>>538423184they're just not nearly as world ending as it seems in moviesIt's just a big bomb. It was devastating in japans paper cities but would be much less impressive on concreteIf you try to use them to break through the front, they're even less useful. Everyone in a trench or not near the epicenter will survive. You'll have to nuke every few villages to keep advancing, and kill a few dozen people per nukeThe thermobaric bombs russia spammed until they ran out in the early war are not too far off from small nukes. the explosions even look similarIf they fire a tactical nuke at some kiev neighborhood, or some random field in the east, it will show that they don't do very much and that russias big superweapon is largely pointless unless they have the balls to fire everything in a big suicide attack
>>538430073electrical fields, and you’re only heating a TINY mass. fusors exist, retard. i don’t know what to tell you.
>>538423184What the fuck is a dummy nuke? How does it differ from a dummy of any other kind of missile?
>>538423499Checked, FPBP
>>538430112Water is a compound. You cannot apply the definition of an isotope to a compound. Deuterium and deuterated water are not the same. Log off, chatGPT has not made you an expert
>>538430137>It's just a big bomb. It was devastating in japans paper cities but would be much less impressive on concrete>If you try to use them to break through the front, they're even less useful. Everyone in a trench or not near the epicenter will survive. You'll have to nuke every few villages to keep advancing, and kill a few dozen peopleHave you heard about a neutron bomb?I guess not.
>>538430137The radiation can posion the land for generations, completely flatten cities. If you think a dirt trench can stop it I have news for youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NofLHhxHwYkThese bombs are capable of destroying entire cities your trench isn't gonna help you. Third degree buns 30 miles away, your clothes will literally burst into flame
>>538430227Ok autism boy. You went to grab your dictionary, I don't give a fuck. I'm telling you in practice they are literally isolating it by weight in water form.
>>538423184What a retarded, almost comical, gesture. Did the top pop off and a little flag come out that says "bang" too?This stupid shit while people on the battlefield die in the tens of thousands? Literal clown world behavior.
>>538430319aboslute bullshit, even cobalt salted nukes are over by themselves in less than 50 years, regular fision or fusion explosion area doesnt matter is safe to life within monthsIts just a big scare from Cold war
>>538430319You’re a fucking idiot. A conventional nuclear weapon could absolutely kill someone hiding behind cover, but by means of overpressure, not heat. You’re a fucking idiot. Unless it’s an enhanced radiation weapon (in which case the blast will be weaker) there will not be an instantly fatal dose
>>538430373Deuterated water is a source of deuterium, but that’s not how you separate it. That is done either by modified mass spectrometers like a calutron, or through centrifugation. You have responded to me with fucking chatgpt screenshots, stop acting like you aren’t way out of your depth
>>538430404The nukes ionize dirt and dust, and then that spreads around through the wind. The decay chains create all manner of bizarre particles that can have severe effects. You wonder why cancer rates started going up after the nuclear tests? They won't ever tell you, but deep down we all know
>>538430471>modified mass spectrometers like a calutron, or through centrifugationWhich separates by weight in both cases retard.
>>538430480What fucking particles, retard? The only particles produced that aren’t instantly annihilated are neutrons, electrons and alpha particles. Electron have mass and charge, so don’t travel far. Alpha radiation won’t hurt you. Unless it’s an enhanced radiation weapon, the neutrons produced are spent to sustain the chain reaction and there will not be an instantly fatal flux beyond the range that blast effects would kill you anyways
>>538430548Not by weight, stupid, by mass-charge ratios. You are out of your depth. I’m an analytical chemist I know these machines well
>>538430594>What fucking particles, retard?There's a shitload. Look at the decay chains. Some of them are bizarre, some have longer halflives than others. Some of them can contaminate soil and groundwater. You're opening up pandora's box.>The only particles produced that aren’t instantly annihilated are neutrons, electrons and alpha particlesGuess what those things do? They ionize dirt and dust and create deadly and dangerous radioactive things. That's what fallout is.
>>538430630Oh oh weight is technically different than mass. I'm sorry mr dictionary. Bro are you for real?
>>538430716First of all, I doubt you could even tell me what ionization means without looking it up, Second, those are radioisotopes, not particles. Just because you’ve got chatGPT open in another window doesn’t mean you know what you’re talking about. You have neither the vocabulary or the critical thinking skills to understand wtf you’re reading and it shows
>>538430796Weight and mass are not the same thing, stupid. Hell, there’s even different types of mass. But general relativity is waaaaay over your fucking head.
>>538428324>No jews involvedAber sicher, Joschka, sicher... Is es nicht an der Zeit für dich der Aliyah sicheren Schrittes entgegen zu treten?
>>538423184>>538423499Nukes are a Jewish myth to scare everyone into doing what Jews want. Just like the moon landing is a myth to make people worship science.
>>538427708>>538428324>>538428447>>538428515>No jews
>>538423184>dummy nuke missileThat isn't a real thing that exists. Why are rightwingers so retarded and gullible?
>>538430796Even grok is calling you retarded now, huh?
>>538430812>those are radioisotopes, not particles
>>538430842Yean no shit but why bust out the dictionary in the middle of a conversation How do you even talk to people when you're like this
>>538431145Words have meaning, buddy. You have to get granular about definitions when you’re discussing topics like fucking nuclear physics, lmao. Atoms are not particles. And by the way, ionization refers to the gain or loss of electrons in an atom or molecule. Ionizing radiation just means that it has enough energy to knock electrons from orbits. What you’re struggling to describe is a decay chain. Ionization of dirt or other materials isn’t a big deal to health, unless that material happens to be you. You’re talking about nuclear contamination, which is not ionization. You have no clue what you are talking about. Your understanding of physics is less than that of a fucking high schooler
>>538431188>Yean no shit but why bust out the dictionary in the middle of a conversationBecause you’re spouting off retarded bullshit about things you don’t understand. This would be a valid complaint in casual conversation, but you trying to pass yourself off as some authority on things you have 0 fucking understanding of. There’s a reason “Intro to X” classes spend so much time drilling definitions before they move on to even elementary topics, and that’s because you have no fucking chance of understanding complex topics if you lack the vocabulary
>>538424932BIGE PIGE
>>538431351>Atoms are not particles.Ahahaha what the fuck, this is dunning kruger https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fallout>Fallout can have serious human health consequences on both short- and long-term time scales, and can cause radioactive contamination far away from the areas impacted by the more immediate effects of nuclear weapons.[1]>particulate matter, lifted to the stratosphere, may take months or years to settle, and may do so anywhere in the world.[4] Its radioactive characteristics increase the statistical cancer risk, with one report estimating roughly 430,000 additional cancer deaths by the year 2000 and a total of 2.4 million additional cancer deaths over the next several thousand years from the measurably elevated atmospheric radioactivity after the widespread nuclear weapons testing of the 1950s, peaking in 1963
>>538430978There's no such thing as a "nuclear missile". There are nuclear warheads and missiles capable of delivering them. Launch a nuke-capable ballistic missile without the warhead, and it's a "dummy" that looks like a nuke launch until it doesn't go boom.
Nukes aren't real. They are a psyop to keep great nations from every going to war against each other. It evidently worked.
>>538431584>particulate matterWords are applied differently in different fields. If you were to read an article on physics or chemistry, ‘particle’ would be restricted to a much narrower scope. Particulate isn’t the same as particle either, dipshit. I spent 4 years in undergrad and 3 years working towards a Ph.D. I still got my Master’s. Trust me when I tell you that you’re a moron. You are uneducated and stupid to boot, and it shows.
>>538431730>i have a masters in an evidence based degree!>anyways take my anecdotal opinion
>>538428585>It would be interesting to know if it’s possible to start a fission reaction purely with the energy in a hypersonic impact??It is, but while it would be technically "hypersonic", kinetic fusion requires a decent chunk of light speed. Implosion confinement requires hundreds of miles per second, and that's a highly optimized scenario.
>>538431730Particle just means small thing. It's like a colloquial word people use in the moment. It's like saying "projectile". So when you say 'that's not a particle' that's s dumb. The way you're locked into definitions of words, it's like you're asian
>>538431869What was the anecdotal opinion? Particle and particulate are not the same. It’s like when this retard tried passing mass and weight off as the same thing. Words have meaning, and that meaning is important. We were discussing nuclear physics, and there the word particle has a very specific definition https://goldbook.iupac.org/terms/view/N04237He still refuses to engage with anything I say. He just latches on to some pedantic bullshit as an excuse to deflect and move on to something else
>>538430796if you don't get mass and weight youre underage let me take over your pathetic attempt. >>538431072My main issue with Nukes is circumstantial - by this I mean its just so damn convenient for political powers to have the boogey man of the 'nuke' to convince people to do things like invade countries etc. We are in an exceptional point in human history where EVERYONE understands that war has no victors. How do we then convince countries to keep having wars? Bingo - nukes.Now for my less concrete complaint - I consneed that the electromagnetic field is real otherwise my phone wouldnt work. I consneed that radiation in the form of particle emitting metals is real because of smoke detectors and nuclear power and extending back to the fact that the same science predicted the epriodic table and relativity which also has to be true due to the nature of the speeed of light being unchangeable which i also consneed. My issue is the concept of 'criticality' likely because I do not understand the exact mathematics used to calculate it. My understanding is that theoretically a lump of plutonium which is large enough and pure enough will 'go critical' by itself, and nukes work by slotting the final piece of the mass together when appropriately positioned near a target. My issue is i think nuclear fission 'explosions' run on similar science to nuclar fusion as a power source which seems to be unobtainable or the scientists are essentially coming up against a vertical hyperbolic barrier with some force or constraint on their system - therefore, if fusion wont work and is always '5 years away', im inclined to follow my animal/natural human instict and deduce that the opposite predicted effect is equally unrealistic.So in summary I think that nuclear reactors a real but nuclear bombs that go BIG BOOM YOURE ALL DEAD STRAIGT AWAY BE AFRAID are not. The reason I believe this is because the inverse achievement is nuclear fusion power which is seemingly impossible
>>538431730In particle physics, a particle is strictly subatomic. But when you're talking about air quality, pollution, or nuclear fallout, "particulate matter" is anything small enough to get high up in the atmosphere, get blown around, and then either settle on things or get breathed in. Where, in the case of nuclear fallout, it will emit subatomic particles.
>>538431888I don't think it's like that. Because when you collide things, the mass of the objects matter in terms of energy right? Instead of making it faster, just make it bigger
>>538431894>The way you're locked into definitions of words, it's like you're asianIt’s like I’m educated. I’m as white as could be, btw.
>>538432003PARTICULATE AND PARTICLE ARE NOT THE SAME WORD, NIGGER
>>538431981>What was the anecdotal opinion?so much for the masters lmao
>>538429150>It's not just strong, it's beyond strong.It's well quantified, and about 100x stronger than electromagnetism on the scale of a nucleus.
>>538430480You are confusing 2 things and you are half rightLets get this out of the way, you are not the first one who connected nuclear tests with cancers spike but you are first who confused the actual reasonIts not cause of surface test, they do nothing, halflife is pretty fast for any nuclear weapon.Its beacause of stratospheric nuclear tests that depleted ozone layer so much it opened a hole, dont think its just a hole think its being spread so thin it teared at that one place.Cosmic rays are number one cancer culprit still, and while ozone hole is close, it doesnt tell you the tale that layer itself wont bring itself to pre 1950s levels in more than 1000 years.So get your shit right and stop bullshiting about surface/soil tests, they really dont matter even in shortterm
>>538429987>There's no hard and fast "rule" it's kind of touch and go.Binding energy per nucleon. Peaks at iron 56.
>>538432020I don't even know what you're arguing. It's like you're trying to say nuclear bombs are safe because fallout isn't a thing? Fallout is a thing though. When you expose dirt, dust, paper, all the complex materials in a town or city to highly radioactive, ionizing radiation, it creates a pandoras box. That creates all sorts of strange inexpected byproducts humanity doesn't even know very well, and then spreads it all over the earth. Nobody even knows all the implications but it's not good. Some of these things can contaminate the groundwater, the soil, it can exist underground for centuries.
>>538432196The fact that you can measure something is not proof its harmfull for you
>>538432112I suspected that. But I know that when it comes to the periodic table you often get unexpected or counterintuitive trends. Like something that should be conductive in theory isn't. I guess it makes sense the nucleus would be more of a rule-by-order sort of deal.
It's not 1945 anymore, if you launch a nuke at a first world country, they'll intercept it before it lands. Nukes are therefore irrelevant.
>>538432009In order to get things to fuse, you need a certain amount of energy PER PARTICLE so that the kinetic energy of the nuclei can overcome their electrostatic repulsion. Real nukes handle this by compressing fusible material to planet-core pressure and heating it to hundreds of millions of degrees. A Farnsworth fusor handles it by setting up a big electrostatic well and letting stray particles zip around in it and bang into each other. If you want a macroscopic kinetic impact to produce fusion, it has to be going really, really fast. Much faster than the implosion in nuclear weapons (hundreds of miles per second) because the inertial confinement is much less symmetrical and therefore less stable.
>>538423184They are really nasty but the nuclear winter calculations assumed cities would be mostly made of wood rather than glass and concrete, which don’t burn to contribute to the smoke clouds. The frame of reference we have is the Hiroshima bomb for effects, but the average non tactical nuke is 10-20x+ more powerful than it so really it is pretty bad to be anywhere near one but also it is not like tsar bomba tier where everything in a 50 mile radius is vaporized. While they can erase cities, if you live out in the suburbs like most people, actually you would be fine unless they nuked those too because if you drive 20 mins to work in a city or whatever you might actually be far enough to survive that city getting hit. Your windows would be blown out, there might be fires, radiation would rain down etc so you would need to immediately gtfo but you at least should be alive.
>>538432414Sure but imagine you impact on a small tip with a lot of mass behind it. That tip gets all the energy focused there.
>>538432249I think we didn't evolve to have Radon in our bloodstream though. And if there's 100 novel particles, what are the chances 3 of them will kill you?
>>538432340The periodic table is about chemistry. Conduction and other electrochemical properties have to do with how electrons are organized around the nucleus, not with nuclear phenomena. There are patterns in nuclear properties, but they're simpler and less important to this sort of consideration.
>>538432555By the way have you seen this guy?https://www.youtube.com/@tfolsenuclear
>>538431985Fusion and fission are very different, though at the end of the day they get their energy through the same process, which is the conversion of mass to energy. When subatomic particles are brought together to form an atom, the atom weighs less than the constituent particles. That mass is converted into the binding force. When the atom is split, that energy is released. Very large atoms are unstable, as that binding energy can’t act strongly across the large nucleus, and there are many protons trying to repel eachother. Some radioisotopes are fissionable or fissile, meaning they split when they absorb a neutron. That neutron increases the stress in the nucleus, until it overcomes the strong force. Some of the binding energy is released, and the EM repulsion between protons contributes some energy. Fissionable radioisotopes release neutrons when split, and fissile isotopes release enough neutrons to sustain a fast enough reaction to be used in a bomb. Criticality essentially measures the number of neutrons released per the number of neutron capture events. It’s the factor by which you “multiply” neutrons. In a reactor, control rods, moderators and neutron poisons allow the criticality of the system to be controlled. If subcritical, less neutrons are produced than are consumed. In criticality, it’s a 1:1. In supercriticality, it’s 1:>1. In a weapon, there are neutron sources to “kick off” many fission events in the first 10s of nanoseconds. The core is also compressed to make it more likely that a “prompt” neutron is immediately captured by a neighboring atom. The caseof the weapon also has reflectors to increase the neutron flux.to be cont’d
>>538431985>>538432670Fusion works differently, and I’m not very well versed in it. But it works the same way, the binding energy of the larger atom is less than the smaller atoms, and that gets released. It works great for weapons because the goal isn’t to contain and harness it. It’s much more energetic than fission, because the mass defect for each individual fusion reaction is greater than for fission reactions
Can this retarded ChatGPT poster and the autistic chem grad just get a room and kiss and make up? You guys are gayer than like 10 OPs and that's pretty faggoty.This is why the site's dead because no one is willing to back down instead of just listening, asking questions, and not resorting to all these logical fallacies.There's a reason the sticky on /pol/ is literally a list of logical fallacies, and you guys are proof in the fuckin' pudding.Gay it up elsewhere, faggotron 9001s.
>>538423184I really don't know about nukes but I know nuclear winter is bullshit>1947>Some science fiction author comes up with the idea of nuclear winter>"Scientists": damn that sounds scary, let's work backwards from this idea and come up with a way to say it's true>1952>Some astronomer: "dust from testing this new nuke will destroy le atmosphere!">New nuke is tested, atmosphere is fine>1969>Some meteorologist: "actually NOX that we're now using in nukes will destroy le atmosphere!">Same guy disproves his own idea in 1982>Same guy again immediately after: "okay but firestorms from nukes will destroy le atmosphere!">Everyone just believes him>Firestorms only happened in Hiroshima, not Nagasaki btw>1990>Another astronomer: "firestorms from burning oil fields will trigger nuclear winter just like that guy said!">Firestorms go off just how the astronomer said they would>Doesn't destroy the atmosphere>1990-2003>NO ONE publishes papers on the topic, the concept of nuclear winter is totally discredited>2004>"Scientists" start publishing on the topic again and resume with the firestorm theory like nothing happened>Theory has never been backed by real-world observations>Theory has never been adjusted for shifting armaments and payloads>Theory has conveniently changes whenever new nuke technology solves the current theory>Theory is extremely politically and socially useful>Gives nuclear nations appearance of more power>Keeps people believing in MAD which makes them believe nuclear war will never happen
>>538432448>That tip gets all the energy focused there.No it doesn't. The energies involved are way beyond where atomic matter behaves as a solid (speed of sound in the material), and even the point where it behaves as an incompressible liquid. A bulk of surrounding material can help contain fusing material after an impact that turns directed kinetic energy to undirected kinetic energy (heat) but it doesn't help with getting the material energetic enough to fuse in the first place.
>>538432756i’m having a full on tism fit right now, not happening this site is dead because it’s full of uneducated retards spouting off rubbish, and it turns away most of the non-retarded. how often have you seen flat earth shit derail threads?
>>538432790Look at this absolute brainlet trying to act smart lmao
>>538432790No I mean, you slam a small tip down, measired microns across, with the weight of a fucking skyscraper behind it. You slam it into another tip coming the opposite direction.Boom, spark. That's like flint and steel
>>538432670>they get their energy through the same process, which is the conversion of mass to energyThis is exactly like saying that TNT gets its energy by converting mass to energy, or a crossbow gets its energy by converting its mass to energy. All energy has mass, and all transformations of potential to kinetic energy involve changing something's rest mass, but on its own it does not offer insight into what's actually going on. Some nuclear reactions release energy because they involve nucleons reshuffling to a lower-energy configuration. Other nuclear reactions absorb energy because they involve nucleons reshuffling to a higher-energy configuration. The actual details matter for how they work and what results they have.
>>538432658No. What does he have to do with this conversation?
>>538432936Hey so I have a question for you.There's energy between the earth and the moon, potential energy I mean.Where is the 'mass' from that energy? Floating in space between the two objects?
>>538432936we’re talking about fission and fusion, not beta decay
>>538423184>conventionalMost cruise missiles have both conventional and nuclear warhead options. The one in the picture is a Kh-55.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kh-55
>>538432955Because your post reminded me a bit of him, and I wanted to take a stab in the dark in case you were, by chance, him.
Nukes are real but goyim don't have real nukes. Why would they let their vassal states have weapons they could use to destroy the, if they rebel? They just let them believe they have these weapons and play their little saber rattling games. It's why they explicitly do not allow things to escalate to a nuclear exchange, it would force the masquerade to end before they decide it's time.>but nuclear tests?!The only time they ever have real nukes, in a carefully controlled setting. Consequently any country that does nuclear testing is fully under their control.
>>538423184If they were real, they would have been used.It's implausible that every country with them would have been able to resist using one. Israel, India and Pakistan all allegedly have them, and if they did they would have used them.
Nukes were created for one purpose: to exterminate the roaches (whites, japs, jews, non-Chinese subhumans basically), basically all non-Chinese are subhuman retard slop-creatures that will be genocided back to hell, good riddance.
>>538425040China and India will get mega-sanctioned if Russia dropped a nuke and they'd continue to fund it.>>538425070It was a new weapon back then nobody knew how to react. Or the implications of using it.Plus there was much less globalisation back then, so sanctions were not as much of a thing as today. People were more tough minded and could accept a harsher world.Now if you drop a nuke the whole planet will go into rage mode, because the wind will blow the fallout in all directions. Including towards Russia, so even Russians will lose their shit
>>538432843Fair enough about flat earth bullshit, but my point still stands - no one on 4chan likes the "my opinion is more valid because of my credentials" that's literally appealing to authority.Let your info speak for itself, provide some links to back it up even if it seems an inconvenience (which I know it is).
>>538433310I didn’t start out throwing it around, but I’m not gonna let some retard condescend to me with fucking screenshots from chatgpt. I quit responding to him anyways, I realized he’s a brick wall
>>538425281>Russia could throw a nuke today on Brussels even and it would get away with it outside of strong letters and thoughts and prayersThen why didn' this happen already? They could have ended the war by just nuking Brussels and so stopped the funding for Ukraine.The answer is Putin knows this would sink Russia in a much worse situation. He would have a war with the whole Europe and the USA might support it.And this would end all trade with China. The EU would just cut it off if China kept funding Russia. it would consider it an act of war. End of globalisation.A nuke would effectively end globalisation and China would be most fucked by it.
>>538433310and i hate to say it, but a relevant degree DOES give me more authority on the topic than some retard who has to let chatgpt think for him lol
>>538430915>the moon landing is a mythRedpill me on this. I don't know shit about rocket science obviously. But doesn't it require a very specific like setup to get it to take off? Let alone land anywhere all freestyle and then takeoff again? And why haven't we done it again? Why do so many of these latest & most advanced test rockets explode? And they're only intended to fly around the moon and right back real quick!
>>538432883>Boom, spark. That's like flint and steelNope, not unless they're moving ridiculously fast. Flint strikes sparks from steel because it is harder, and cuts shavings from steel, and this process heats the steel because steel is both hard and tough, so cutting those shavings involves a large energy input. But just scraping flint on steel won't make sparks. You need to do it fast enough for the heat not to dissipate into the environment, and that happens quickly. But if you do it fast enough, the steel gets hot enough to start burning in air, and it can sustain a high temperature for a little while. And so>you slam a small tip down, measired microns across, with the weight of a fucking skyscraper behind it. You slam it into another tip coming the opposite direction.You just get two squished tips. To get fusion, they need to be going FAST, as previously explained.
>>538432995>Where is the 'mass' from that energy?The internal energy of the Earth-Moon system would be experienced by something outside that system as the system having some total mass, which may not quite match what people inside the system would reckon those things as having. A rigorous explanation will probably have to wait for a working theory of quantum gravity.>>538433004Elements heavier than iron are made by endothermic fusion reactions.
>>538423184Russia has been doing this for the past few years now. Oreshenk is just a multi-warhead nuclear missile, where the nukes have been replaced with kenetic penetraters. They are getting lots of real world practice about the guidance systems of their various nuclear launch vehicles.They are also using up older missiles (sometimes with updated guidance systems) and replacing them with freshly made and newer ones.GAYTO endlessly kvetches like a jewish whore.
>>538423184Nukes are fake
>>538432701how do they bind the atoms? EMFs?>>538432670i guess my argument is that the science also led us to believe that the atmosphere would catch fire from firing the first nuke, why didn't it?can you show me the actual formula used to calculate if a mass of a certain atom will go critical?
>>538423184>experts warn
Nukes are real.Russia won't use one due to M.A.D.No, China won't back them up if they use a nuke.
>>538423184i dont know why Russians are so fucking retarded. i would nuke the polish border instead.
>>538423499>Nuclear reactors are real but nuclear weapons are notRetard
>>538423184nukes are fake, instead they will put zyklon B into their rockets.joke, they will put cancer and herpes inside them, and homosexuality.
>>538423499fpbp>have nukes>use them against UKRAINE out of all placestheyre not real
>>538435114ukraine doesnt have nukes how are the russians limited by mad?
>>538433288Sanctions are always ineffective in coercing a territory into anything. In 80 years of sanctions regimes there is not a single case where it worked in favor of the sanctioner.
>>538424932this.
