How does socialism address the free rider problem?
>>538428727How does capitalism?
>>538428727It doesn’t. That’s why it always fails. But I’m sure OP already knew this
You have to work to get access to the benefits, very easy
>>538428783so, same as crapitalism then
>>538428727Historically, you make them high-ranking party officials.
>>538428758does the opposite, it encourages free ridingthe more you can take advantage of public goods without paying into them, the better off you live under capitalism
>>538428727Why not give your idea OP
>>538428758Private property rights mean that individuals have an incentive to contribute something valuable in exchange for something of equal value. Owners of private property have the right to exclude others who do not pay from using their property.
>>538429012you have an incentive to become a rentier, something adam smith and the other classical economists recognized over 200 years agowhat value do landlords or insurance agents provide
>>538428727you sure there aren't any free riders among the cooperators and there aren't any cooperators who aren't employed?
>>538428727I'd rather the poor free ride than the rich.
>>538428881You actually don't and we are making it even easier to be a free rider.
Just give me a reliable suicide booth goddamnit
>>538428727Only invite Whites into the socialist state, so few will abuse it that it basically won't be an issue worth chasing down.
>>538428727>How does socialism address the free rider problem?By sending the free loaders to the Gulag.
>>538429096>what value do landlords or insurance agents provideLandlords not only provide housing, but they are also obligated to keep their housing in a suitable condition to compete in the market. If a landlord fails to meet their obligations, other landlords will stand to profit.Insurance agents profit by providing better coverage at a lower cost. Those who give worse service are at a disadvantage in the market.
>>538428727Addressing it?Socialism was created to let the free riding caste of unaccountable bureaucrats parasite on the society. A neo-aristocracy.Free riding is so ingrained in that system that the number of parasites grows day by day (which can only be stopped by literal forced labor and a whip; mind you that the efficiency of such organization of production is abysmally low by modern standards - slavery is not a thing anymore not because it was immoral but because it couldn't compete) and eventually the system inevitably collapses because of that.
>>538429096>>538429096>what value do landlords or insurance agents provideThey can provide fuel for furnaces
>>538429423You don't have oligarchs over there huh
>>538428783Communists think technology will bail us out
>>538429012private property is a privilege, not a right. If it was a right everyone would have property. Also, property is so unobtainable that there is zero incentive to contribute.
>>538428727That depends. In good old soviet socialism it was literally illegal to be unemployed. You either accepted some job the state offered you, or you got sent to prison.The real problem was productivity. Everyone did a half assed job, and since it was also illegal to fire people no one really cared. Also everyone was stealing everything that was not bolted down from their workplace.
>>538429718>private property is a privilege, not a right. If it was a right everyone would have propertyYour own body is private property. If private property is a privilege, then the government can take it away at its discretion. If there is no right to private property, then theft becomes meaningless.
>>538429964Yeah, we call that a "draft."
>>538429964The government can take "your" property away at its discretion. The only reason you have your private property is because you are paying protection money to the government so that they use their instruments of violence to enforce your claim. They can choose at any time to turn that instrument of violence against you and take what you think you own.
>>538430078The last draft was over 50 years ago. One does not need to support a draft to be a capitalist.
>>538428727Bump
>>538430133They could do that, but it would require the necessary moral justification. The fact that private property rights are not absolute does not nullify the right to private property in general.
>>538429096>go visit NYC>have no family or friends there>where_do_I_stay.jpeg>oh there is someone who will give me 2 weeks of shelter in exchange for money>wew lad, almost thought I had to pony up $2M to buy a house
>>538428727Why are free-riders a problem, again?
>>538430311How is that a legitimate question?>"How are tapeworms a problem again?"Is what this question sounds like to a sane person.
>>538430622>How is that a legitimate question?Yes.>"How are tapeworms a problem again?"We are talking about humans here. Your neighbor. Your people. >Is what this question sounds like to a sane person.You are clearly mentally ill, then.
>>538428727I'd say the cooperators don't even get access to the benefits, or get less of them anyway. It's basic math: Imagine you had 10 people in the system, to live you need 10 units of whatever. Five people produce 20 units each; 10 for themselves, and 10 for the system. The other 5 produce nothing. The system gives them each the ten. Now everyone is "equal" but only the contributors are working; both for themselves, and for the system. In a free rider heavy system, the contributors can't benefit equally else there wouldn't be enough surplus left for the free riders. This is why you feel like an overtaxed goyim slave while welfarians are living in apartments and eating everyday while doing nothing at all.
>>538430311Because you're perfectly capable of working and providing for yourself put the burden upon others. There are exceptions of course, such as children, providing for someone to receive an education, invent, build a business, etc. these people aren't actually freeloaders though, because the expectation is that they will use their time being provided for to be able to provide at the same or.greater capacity of the person supporting them.
>>538430724Imagine some freeloader living in your house, eating half your food, using your electricity etc and not contributing, leaving you with the entire bill. How are you not able to imagine this incredibly simple situation and then understand why it's not desirable for society? Are you a fucking retard?
>>538429217I'm talking about how you solve this problem in an alternative system, not our current situation
>>538430761In times of abundance, does it matter? The US has so much food they don't know what to do with it. Are profits more important than people? If they are freeloading, and the system works just fine, then is it really a problem? Maybe they are useful in other ways to society.>>538430821If my brother were I neet I would not mind feeding him or sheltering him. You people are just selfish and money worshipers. People are more important than objects.
>>538428727socialized banking. free riders then flee to the most ziophilic nation.
>>538430870>Narcissism 101: Accuse the people fed up with your narcissism and parasitism of being the REAL narcissists. Get fucked, retard.
>>538428727By turning it into the solution for self-perpetuation. Sufficient free riders combined with "democracy" ensure that the public sector grows as long as it doesn't collapse.
>>538430977Wow I haven't seen so much projection since the last movie festival. Brother thinks he knows me since birth.
>>538430870>People are more important than objects.People are objects
>>538431060What a healthy thing to say. Totally not psychopathic or callous. I am glad psychopaths like you have no power on this world.
>>538431024If you're not a troll then yeah, you've made it obvious what you are. Freeloading is axiomatically antisocial behaviour; someone else has to work hard and pay for things that you siphon away willingly. If you can't implicitly understand how that is undesirable for normal people, the only rational explanation is that you're a gigantic retard, or a parasitic narcissist. There is zero other explanation that isn't some handwavy, nebulous, moralistic way to justify one of these two possibilities.
>>538428727By killing the people that talk about socialisms flaws.
>>538431060I'd say this chilean faggot is less than an object; objects tend to be useful. These human ticks are a bane on our existence and until we exterminate every last one of them we'll never have true freedom; we'll always be slaves to these hordes of dysgenic useless eaters.
>>538431101You people paint yourself as intellectuals, but the first time your views and arguments are challenged, you become enraged and fallacious. Your entire post is>It's bad because I say it's bad because it's antiscial and bad because of reasonsZero arguments from you people. Grow up. I'm going to play video games now. I am a teacher btw.
>>538431191>I am a teacher btw.kek every timeTTD
>>538430311If a few people are free riders, costs are higher for contributors. If everyone free rides, no one contributes and the system collapses.
>>538431191You didn't come to your position through reason, so how could reason ever change your mind? What more is there to do with a disease than eradicate it? People like you aren't the way you are because of an err in discourse that can be corrected through polite debate; you are the way you are because deep in your being you're a worthless piece of shit, and you always will be.
>>538429384It doesnt work like that in practice though. Landlords practice rent seeking behavior by nature of the fact there is a greater value in monetizing and debasing their land asset than improving upon it. Rent seeking behavior is why Western economies crash like clockwork every 18 years since the rise of modern finance after WW2.
>>538428727
The alienation of labour under capitalism means that the vast majority of the proletariat work solely to earn the wages they need to survive. They’re usually robbed of the time and resources to engage in meaningful labour, thus “work” becomes something that is only done because the alternative is death or poverty. Those of the working class who support capitalism are so habitualised to this dynamic that they can’t imagine a situation in which they would choose to perform labour without the threat of death or poverty hanging over them, in no small part because capitalism has deprived them of the opportunity to know how it feels to perform meaningful labour.Under conditions where work stems from ones capabilities and interests and choices more than financial necessity, most people will choose a job that suits their skills and interests. Those jobs that dont attract sufficient workers could have increased pay or benefits or both to attract the needed workers.Another factor to consider is in the US at least the idea of the protestant work ethic, where ones morality is directly tied to how much one works, has intertwined with capitalism to such an extent that not working is considered evil and working is holy. Which means exploitation is sanctioned by god, and therefore cant be morally wrong. Which leads to horrific things like US slavery both old and new, and working conditions in the US today and child labor coming back etc etc.
>>538430870>In times of abundance, does it matter? The US has so much food they don't know what to do with it.Only true if we produce more than we consume.
>>538428727>implying muh "free market" braptilism managed by pedophiles somehow addresses it better instead of actively encouraging degenerate idlefaggingIt's simple. Make being a "responsible working adult" whatever the fuck that means actually fucking rewarding, dumbass. As in I am able to get my own basic necessities like shelter and attract girls by working. The fact that it is a negative value proposition under "muh not rael capitalism" means someone is getting ripped off and someone else is ripping people off getting away with it. Think about it logically. If being a "cooperator" entitled one to a cute state mandated gf and being the ruler of your own domain then every man would fucking do it instead of being a "free-rider" The fact that it doesn't is just proof that you just become worse off if you actually try to do the right thing while the worst people possible like the children butt fuckers that rule over us get to live high on the hog.
>>538431362The vast majority of people for the vast majority of history have "worked to survive". That's what "work" fundamentally is. For your proposed system to exist, there has to be such a massive surplus of wealth and resources to distribute that no one functionally needs to work, and can just choose to if they want. That's not and will never be how the world works due to resource scarcity and the dynamism of life.
>>538428727Would it alarm or reassure you to know that ant colonies consist 40% of 'lazy ants' that don't contribute anything?This is just a natural phenomenon.
>>538428727>How does socialism address the free rider problem?It doesn't. It relies on the free riders existence. Sensible people know that you can't blanket benefit everyone, because goods and services don't rain from the sky.
>>538431272If landlords charged no rent, the real estate market would collapse, as landlords would be unable to pay mortgages, property taxes, or maintenance and repairs. There would also be no incentive to allow people to live in their houses.
>>538431412It doesn't matter if the system is fucked right now; idelfagging is still burdensome behaviour and class treachery. Regardless of how much the parasitic elites skim or suppress people, work still needs to get done to support our lives, as it always did. Farmers still must farm, miners must mine, people must maintain the electrical grid etc. As long as you breathe, eat, and have shelter, someone else had to work to provide those things for you, if you're not working yourself. There is zero justification for willingly burdening the working class. All your blaming of capitalism and the system is just your way of justifying being a parasite on the very people you're pretending to support.
>>538430870>Maybe they are useful in other ways to society.Like I said, the expectation is that they are doing something that would provide an advantage in the future. Those freeloaders are taking away resources that could be used to improve roads, bridges, healthcare, scientific advancement...
>>538431528Ants are cold blooded insects with minimal resource demand; those idle ants are reserve units for if the colony is attacked, if a giant food source is discovered, if a bunch of other ants die, etc. And the "lazy" ants still generally forge for their own food and so don't burden the others; they're just not actively engaged in colony "work". Again, simple concept to understand for an ant colony; doesn't make near as much sense in a human society where the useless eaters are that way by conscious choice and endlessly consume resources that other people have to provide.
>>538431412>>538431528Ants work in shifts.
>>538431493>The vast majority of people for the vast majority of history have "worked to survive". Yes that was my point, is that the true "work" that is needed for survival is so far displaced from what we today work as "jobs." A job where you spend all day typing away at a computer making useless spreadsheets and powerpoints so Mr Sheckelberg can make an extra million dollars this year has nothing to do with survival. The vast majority of jobs today are useless do nothings that exist solely to keep the capitalist gears turning and create revenue for the upper class to claim capitalist progress.If I magically had enough money to quit my job and did nothing more than tend to my garden and other hobbies I enjoyed, society would call me a free rider. But I would still be doing the work needed to survive - I'd be making the food I need. It's only because of capitalism that the concept of a "free rider" exists. If we took away all the meaningless jobs, a huge number of people would have nothing BUT to be so called free riders. Instead they could labour in a fashion they enjoy.
>>538428912You've never lived under capitalism, anon.
>>538431613>MUH STEM SHARTAGE MUH TRAIDS SHARTAGE>IMPORT INFINITY JEETS>spend thousands and several years getting a degree or training>NO JERBS, HAHA, GET FUKT FAGGOT>izzat maxxing like the ruling class, doing the bare minimum>NO! NOT LIKE THAT! MUH TREACHERY! GET BACK IN THE WAGE CAGE EVEN THOUGH WE WON'T HIRE YOU!Shut up. You don't know shit. I don't owe moral behavior to people that have been doing the worst immoral thing possible every, and I mean EVERY fucking chance they get. Get fucked, I hope you and your family burns in a house fire you stupid fuck.
>>538428727Socialists within democratic societies refuse to, after all free riders are an easy source of political influence and power. Socialists within purely socialist states address it by enslaving would-be free riders. Socialism allows freeloading when it serves their political agenda and punishes it harshly when it does not.
>>538431821>If I magically had enough money to quit my job and did nothing more than tend to my garden and other hobbies I enjoyed, society would call me a free rider.A "free rider" is someone who takes from public goods (like welfare) without fairly contributing (like taxes). If you are independently wealthy, odds are you are still contributing in proportion to the public goods you are consuming (paying for water, electricity, groceries, etc.).
>>538431753All of the ants in an ant colony are genetic clones. The ant queen only mates once in her life, before founding her colony.All later ants come from that genetic material.
>>538431880Of course, your complete ineptitude and failure is just you taking a great stand against the "system". It has nothing to do with you being a worthless, mentally ill troon who can't even work a four hour shift at Dominos without collapsing into a heap of anxiety like a worthless piece of shit. You should feel ashamed with every bite of food you take knowing other people worked hard to produce it and you did absolutely nothing. The truest definition of a useless eater. And forget house fires; one day I'm just coming straight for faggots like you, and I'd gladly kill you with my bare hands.
>>538432049>work a four hour shift at DominosWhich pays for what exactly? Even in your faggot ass contrived example you are just proving my fucking point you stupid old fuck.
>>538431613By adopting that attitude the elite can just eternally hold you hostage and you can never, ever, ever disagree with them. Short of shooting at them, refusing to work for the current (((ruling))) class is the only way to rebel against them.
>>538431595Thats conjecture. Landlords by their very nature do not add anything to the market and are inefficient and only extract rent from it. The market would stablize around homeowners and developer growth very quickly. If I work and charge somebody something my productivity is added to the net economy. A landlord isnt stacking a second home on the rental home every year and doubling occupancy.
>>538431821This is actually a decent point, but the alternative isn't the bullshit workers just fucking around and getting paid for it; the solution is to end bullshit work entirely and return virtually everyone to productive labour (which includes domestic chores and family rearing for women). Right now the PMC goys you mentioned are working for the benefit of the parasitic elites, but under your proposed alternative, they'd just become the parasites themselves.
>>538428727How do capitalists solve the free rider problem?
>>538430244I don't think you can really argue morality when discussing property rights, since the very concept of claiming exclusive ownership over a chunk of the earth is immoral. Unequal access to land is a form of enslavement, those without land are enslaved to those who have land.
>>538428758>capitalism>freedunno what crony capitalism you're thinking of.
>>538432142You obviously can read about as well as you can work; you CAN'T EVEN survive a four hour Dominos shift, let alone a real shift at a real job. You're a worthless parasitic piece of trash, what business do you think you have talking to anyone? In a just society you'd be at the absolute bottom of the barrel with no rights, if not just killed off entirely.
>>538428727Historically with starvation.
>>538432204The one that exists in real life and not in some Ayn Rand novel, probably
>>538428727Firing squad. >>538428758Taxation.
>>538432147Not true; organized rebellion and seizing power solves this problem. Refusing to work individually does fuck all except transfer the burden to those who still must work. In actuality most welfarians wouldn't hold to their "rebellion" if it actually cost them food and shelter; they only refuse to work because they know the system will still provide for them. Capitalists also enjoy this dynamic, it's called the reserve army of labour. As with most things, left leaning people play directly into the hands of the neoliberal elite they pretend to oppose. On one side you have lazy, useless faggots who pose zero threat to the establishment, and on the other side, you have the productive working class who are endlessly burdened and therefore exhausted and unable or unwilling to organize.
>>538432049>one day I'm just coming straight for faggots like you, and I'd gladly kill you with my bare hands.You won't do shit, detritus, besides crumble into dust.
>>538432148Suppose you couldn't afford to pay for a house. Should rental homes simply not be available?
>>538432286That's what every dreg says until the day of the rope. Every narcissist thinks they're above the endlessly repeating cycle of history that always, inevitably, ends with their painful death.
>>538428727With the rise of AI and the danger of mass unemployment. The best idea I have heard to keep society running is that young people spent 3 years in a kind of military service, where they have to work on a task given to them by the state. After that time they are free to do whatever they like, even be free riders.
>>538432300Rent is more than a mortgage almost every single time. My house would rent for double my mortgage easily. And first+last+security is more than you'd need to put 3% down. If rent wasn't more expensive than owning, landlords couldn't make a profit.
>>538432166>How do capitalists solve the free rider problem?By giving the rich among them keys to the castle I guess.
>>538432356>where they have to work on a task given to them by the stateAnd if they refuse?
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>>538432273>On one side you have lazy, useless faggotsBut not the rich for some reason, right? Are we still playing this silly game, disingenuous cocksucker?
>>538432316When the day of the rake comes, you will be in a trashcan and I will be as comfy as ever.
>>538432409They don't get gibs from the government.
>>538432148This is the part where others are supposed to break it down for you but even they forgot this one simple truthA house is a liability. It is always going to be one. Just because it doesn't have wheels and can't be driven off the lot doesn't mean it goes up in value. It does not make the stones of the location go up in value just because it exists. It doesn't make the woodrot cease, it doesn't maintain the land that slowly destroys it.In an actual working work a house should be treated like the disposable commodity that it actually is. The land is different, that hold actual value but it tends to be overvalued because it always has these little shitboxes called "houses" on them.The only reason there's a "market" of them in the first place is because the banks came in and decided to be the marketplace for them. To assign buyers a loan/mortgage as a profit measure instead of...maintaining the liability that the house is. Really a "landlord" is a glorified banker asset maintainer.
>>538428727by refocusing Christianity, expelling pagans / shaming athiestsand bashing able neets with w/e interpretation of 2 Thessalonians 3:10 suites the current agenda
>>538428727You're oy veying Jew anonSocialism only works amongst one's own people (Nationalism) that wants to help one's own naturally and respects natural down times for individuals and their families that need self care time and to take care of themselves
>>538432271But muh 'no-harm principle'!!! :((
>>538429012works at first, until you get the entrenched capital class that become the private free rider class. Lets not forget that that nothing is stopping high capital businesses from investing into government control, so in the end you get elites controlling both business and government, just like socialism
>>538432273>Not true; organized rebellion and seizing power solves this problem. You cannot organize a rebellion against a strong entrenched system. Open rebellion only succeeds when the system you are rebelling against is weak.>Refusing to work individually does fuck all except transfer the burden to those who still must work. One person refusing to work doesn't do much but enough people refusing to work, especially among the competent white working class, stresses the system. (((They))) need to extract both value and productive labor to keep the ponzi scheme going. >In actuality most welfarians wouldn't hold to their "rebellion" if it actually cost them food and shelter; they only refuse to work because they know the system will still provide for them. Brown welfare queens are incapable of transitioning into productive truly labor, even when they do work they have to be exempt from taxes or otherwise subsidized to make their substandard labor profitable. Left-wing whites will fight to make other people pay for them until it is no longer possible. That just leaves right-wing whites who can easily transition back to productive labor once the social contract is restored. As of now, the social contract is defunct. In any event you don't need most of the population to effect regime change once a system becomes weak, you only need a small segment of the population to back the new would-be elites in displacing the former elites.>Capitalists also enjoy this dynamic, it's called the reserve army of labour. That concept rests on the assumption that all workers are interchangeable. When that holds true then the concept is valid, if you have say and endless horde of Irish replacement workers then yes you have a reserve army of labor. If you have endless pajeets then the concept does not hold up, pajeets inevitably run any organization in which they are the bulk of the workforce straight into the ground.
>>538432456The rich produce jobs and pay a majority of the tax burden.
>>538432850>majority of the tax burdenFTFY
>>538432850>The rich produce jobsOnly 3% of Americans are employed by billionaires or billionaire-owned firms. The entire S&P 500 largest companies in America employ fewer than 1/6th of employed Americans. Most Americans work for government, non-profits, or small businesses. Corporate jobs really only exist in great numbers in a few mega-pozzed cities like NYC, Boston, San Francisco, etc. The rest of the country gets by just fine without the rich.
>>538433128>Most Americans work for government, non-profits, or small businesses.And how are those funded?
>>538431846because it failed
>>538433225By the billionaires exploiting tax loop holes and getting billions in subsidies and "forgivable" loans?Nice try, faggot. INB4 MUH NOT RAEL CAPITALISM!INB4 *false dichotomy* MUH STATE VS PRIVATE ENTERPRISE!
>>538433225Who creates dollars?
>>538428952Under capitalism there is no public good to raid. The solution to tragedy of the Commons is private ownership. Now leftists love to be dishonest. Like how they will act like nazi Germany "privatized" anything. When in actuality the nazi party just shifted the management away from the government to loyal party members. The commies effectively did the same but they nationalized industries and outlawed all other parties. Meaning the government was the loyal party members.
>>538433484>Who creates dollars?Reported to the ADL for hate crime.
>>538433743>solution for the tragedy of the commons is to build a big ass data center on top of them so that shartbot 7.2 could runGo fuck yourself.
>>538428727I just got my NEETbux LOL. $400 hahaha thanks based Gavin. Too bad you didn't get yours. Just remember that while you are blowing monsters and gas station hotdogs out your faggot asshole in a 150 degree portapotty, I will be chilling at home eating lobster. Just shut up and go to bed wagie. I need cucks like you well rested so me and my kids can eat steak LOL. You got a whole week of waging ahead of you. Imagine how mad Mr. Goldberg is gonna be if you are dragging ass because you were up all night shitposting on 4chan. He'd probably fire your antisemetic ass.
>>538432383You are truly retarded.Of course rent is more than a mortgage.Rent covers mortgage or the economic value of alternative investment of the equity in the property, insurance, taxes (typically higher on rentals), maintenance costs, management fees, and any profits...Are you dumb or just a nigger?
>>538428727It doesnt, its designed to benefit them the most and "cooperators" the least.
>>538429384>other landlords will stand to profitExcept when you base an entire economy on the renting of housing and out price the majority of the population out of their own property even shitty landlords will make profit. Eventually creating you will own nothing and be happy land.
>>538434175>Of course rent is more than a mortgage.Fml I agree with a plebbitor.
>>538428758They starve
>>538428727It was illegal to be unemployed in ussr>>538429856This guy knows
>>538434243>It doesnt, its designed to benefit them the most and "cooperators" the least.Let me guess, "muh not rael capitalism" when I point it out. That fairy tale capitalism has never existed and will never exist because it always reaches a stable end state of the "winners" owning everything. The idea of perpetual sportsman like competition between small capitalists is a stupid fucking myth used to trick dipshits into supporting a death cult cancerous ideology that won't be satisfied until it turns the entire earth into cheap chink slop and junkie tent cities. There is more to society than profit motive and it raeli is that simple.
>>538428758Starvation. Or help that is completely elective. If it weren't for communists in government that created an apparatus of scalping the productive demographics to grow their permanent welfare-dependent voting base the problem wouldn't exist.
>>538433354Ok, I'll break it down for you.>government jobsPaid for by taxes, of which the majority come from wealthy taxpayers>non-profit organizationsPaid for donations, sometimes by wealthy donors>small businessesRequires large amounts of capital to start, either through independently wealthy entrepreneurs or by lending from private commercial banks
>>538428758lol no one can answer your question
>>538435173I know. That's cause capitalism is retarded beyond local level.
>>538428727>How does socialism address the free rider problem?It pretends there will be an infinite number of Cooperators which, for all intents and purposes, has been the case with America. At least, of course, until the fucking disease of grift and laziness finally made such an open wound on the country that it slowed us down noticeably. In the near future there WILL HAVE TO BE a re-evaluation of benefits which have been previously doled out. I'm not talking about benefits for full-on Downsies or over-65'ers, I'm talking about all the failed strippers who realized they could get on SSDI and trained themselves on Reddit on how to achieve that. Those people WILL be kicked to the curb and it's going to destroy their already-damaged lives. BTW, if that sounds impossible we're already going after lawyers who 'lied' when working on immigrants' naturalization cases and the same method could be applied to doctors who handed out SSDI-qualifying diagnoses like candy. Like it or not we're headed for the Verhoeven 'Starship Troopers' world. We're ~40T in debt. There is no other way.
>>538428727In Belarus you go to jail if you're not working. That's how it's addressed.
>>538428727No system adresses it. Not even capitalism. You have class of people who just own, but their ownership of stuff contributes nothing to society.
>>538428727>post a graph showing how capitalism works>"how does socialism address this"burger-sama...you stop giving the free-riders benefits for having a paper that says they are owed all of themi know it's unimaginable for you but you can just... not give all the productive output of society to a few guys
>>538428783It does. A rising ride lifts all boats. The more money and opportunities, the less losers leeching off the system
