>>538511696
Nu-atheism was always a kike psyop. It was built around making people think they are super smart because they are atheist.

>>538511696
Funny how you're attacking their character instead of their arguments, right? You have a lot of things to say about THEM but very little to address the things they argued ABOUT RELIGION.

>>538511696
It's all the same bullshit.
Whether you like diddling kids and inviting a billion turd worlders or not is completely independent from whether you think there's god(s).
Not political.

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>>538512085
>making people think they are super smart
This was the main downfall of atheism.

>>538512183
Anon, atheism is a fantasy (and also a religion). That's why I left it. Even Daniel Dennett admitted it's a belief in his book.

>>538512218
Foreign policy debates, supporting military invasions, denying genocide and repeatedly telling Americans who to vote for isn't political?

Some atheists I know wished to enforce atheism on others. Isn't this anti-secularism?

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>>538512183
>Why don't you argue the person calling for and celebrating your death

>>538512183
I have a question for you anon: are you an atheist or agnostic? Do you follow any atheist religions?

>>538512218
Seriously, why the fuck do pedophiles, rapists and genocidal warmongers obsessively tell us what to think? How isn't this political?

>>538512183
>if God then why evil
>miracles lol
Ten years of fedora genius condensed to bumper stickers.

>>538511696
>Why are we allowing these jackasses to influence our politics and foreign policy?
Hitch is dead, Harris lost tons of followers to his TDS and Dawkins has never had any political clout. Did the Four Horsemen have some kind of outsized influence in *checks flag* Austria that I was never informed on?

Well no, you're just making shit up so you can pretend to have a thread.

The only pertinent point to anything in this thread is from anon here;
>>538512183
Using ad homs is a beginner mistake and you don't deserve any serious engagement. Which you were only going to get from me and I'm now hiding the thread. Enjoy your 200 posts of regurgitated memes, I'm sure they mean you did something.

>>538511696
>How the fuck did so many people fall for this?
jewish brainwashing.

>>538513148
>Dawkins has never had any political clout
Yes he did and still does. He supported the invasions of Muslim countries. He doesn't shut up about Islam, USA, Brexit and Muslim immigration.

>Did the Four Horsemen have some kind of outsized influence in *checks flag* Austria that I was never informed on?
These idiots are the reason why we get so many Muslim immigrants. They wouldn't be here if their countries weren't bombed for decades.

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>>538511696
>Richard Dawkins
What is this mild pedophilia thing? Ephebophile? You don't need to be an atheist or theist to understand that that is a very healthy position and was common for a long time in history. 18 yo age of consent is just a modern thing. It is only "wrong" because the law says so but ethics shouldn't be restricted by the law. It has nothing to do with atheism vs theism just with maximizing fertility efficiency/baby output. Survival > ethics/religion

>(((Sam Harris)))
Are you sure that these quotes are even real? /pol/ has both high and low quality memes/sources so it is always good to check. Giving you the benefit of the doubt it is bizarre that he wouldn't want to get rid of rape. He ironically is finally in god mode and still fails. Every honest atheist should admit that he would want to play for God if he could and solve everything, especially if they are idealists/utopianists. I do. One good thing about Sam Harris is that he combines materialism with spirituality, even though through a shallow new age meets new atheism lens, and that he accepts consciousness. He challenged Dawkins on consciousness experiments and he refused lol.

>Hitchens
Probably the most cynical/seething of the 4 Horsemen of New Atheism. But Idc about killing foreigners. Has nothing to do with religion.

>religion of reason
Atheism is not a religion but I agree with the anti-atheist stance that humans are inherently religious and need leaders to "tell them how to think, feel and behave" and that popular new atheists are ironically being worshipped by "atheists". Hilarious. I would suggest looking at atheists before new atheism and look at their strongest arguments. Epicurus' paradox is a very nice intellectual challenge for every atheist/theist.

>>538512674
>>538512931
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE
Lol

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>>538513602
>evil exists
Nope. Checkmate Christians and moral atheists. Embrace amoralist (a-)theism.

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>>538513602
This is the most schizo shit I read today. Congratulations anon. But I will only address one of your statements

>Atheism is not a religion
Atheism is not a religion just like theism is not a religion.

Atheist religions do exists, such as sects of Buddhism and Hinduism. In the 18th Century, the French atheists established an atheocracy and invented the Cult of Reason (which they insisted was a religion of reason). And if you disagreed with them, they would have you beheaded.

The synagogue of satan is very good at infiltrating youth culture. Easiest way to kill Christianity.

>>538514031
What is schizo about it? They are all very sane and milquetoast positions.
>Atheism is not a religion just like theism is not a religion.
You, religion and stances often get conflated.
>Hinduism is atheist
No, Buddhism is but Hinduism is not. Do understand that Buddhists are not absolute materialists.
>if you disagreed with them, they would have you beheaded.
Faggots

>>538511696
https://youtu.be/QhsXOKlXe5M?si=Sw5qQw05l1QmLak1
And
https://youtu.be/leVLmE1Er5U?si=hxenT7mOcxGgNpd3

>>538513602
>not (((hitchens)))

>>538514401
Yes*, religion and stances often get conflated.

>>538514457
He is not Jewish. If he is prove and I stand corrected.

>>538513935
>Epicurus
>atheist
why embrace if nothing matters?
Check mate atheists

>>538512183
>all religions are the same thing
Atheist midwittery

>>538514565
Epicurus IS an atheist. I don't see your point.
Also, amoralism =/= nihilism.
>why embrace if nothing matters?
I am an amoralist anti-nihilist.
>Check mate atheists
You are not checkmating atheists since atheists can be moral.

>>538511696
I think he should go say his arguments to Muslims in the UK and count the seconds until his ass is in prison getting raped by them.

>>538514695
Oops. Messed up the sentence order:
>why embrace if nothing matters?
Amoralism =/= nihilism.
I am an amoralist anti-nihilist.

FTFY

>>538514510
maybe you should spend the 30 seconds it takes to do a wikipedia early life check

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>>538514695
Fedoras took
>Why call him God?
to
>God not real because bad things happen.

>>538514510
Anon your first clue was his unironic support for obvious jewish wars. You cannot claim to be an intellectual, and then get deceived by nigger cattle tier propaganda, And he never recanted either, he still held the position well after it was shown to be a fraudulent war for jews. So either he was 85IQ or he was jewish

>The couple met in Scotland during World War II. His father served on HMS Jamaica, which notably helped sink the German battleship Scharnhorst. His mother was of Jewish ancestry—a fact she kept secret for decades, which Christopher only discovered as an adult.

>>538514691
You can argue against the things all religions have in common without saying that they are all the same. Perhaps you are the midwit?

>>538514401
>Hinduism is not atheist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_atheism

Hitchens was Jewish, and there's nothing wrong about that.

>>538514695
Your schizo state is showing anon. Tell me, are you an atheist or agnostic?

>>538514695
>ignores historical evidence
Such is nu-athiesm

>seethes over logic
checkmate

>>538514868
>God not real because bad things happen.
Your logic is flawed. I am saying that evil does NOT exist so how can I complain about bad things happening? I am attacking moralists like new atheists AND christianity who claim evil exists. How the fuck can I complain about bad things happening if I don't accept the Christian social construct of "evil" (which new atheists borrow and twist to have their own set of morality)?

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>>538512183
>you aren't ever allowed to consider the motivations of the person making the argument

That sounds extremely jewish.
That sounds like how people get swindled by used car salesmen.
Why would I not consider the character and interests of a person that I am speaking to when I am trying to determine whether or not they are being honest or engaging in good faith?
Nobody is obliged to live by your reddit rules of debate decorum.

>>538511696
>It also doesn't help that Dawkins and Harris deny the current genocide in Gaza.
Not only that, but not one of these supposed freethinkers ever questioned the official story of 9/11. They all swallowed it hook, line, and sinker.

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>>538515244
If I have a naturally evolved inclination toward religion and the belief in objective good and evil why is that something to be "transcended"? Why it and not, say, my survival instinct, or my desire to procreate, or the love I feel toward my family and friends?
Atheists engage in Wile E Coyote morality. They have left the foundation of good and evil behind and are running across open air. We are to the stage where they notice, hold up the "Yikes!" sign, and plummet to earth.
The logical endpoint of your ethos is that you don't believe in good. You don't believe in the transcendental.
Why would anyone engage with someone who doesn't even believe that telling the truth has value or meaning? What's the fucking point? You have no reason to be honest.

>>538515244
so the holocaust wasn't evil?

>>538511696
Remember, these guys don't need religion to be moral, because morality is ultimately subjective in a godless world, shaped by cultural norms and personal feelings, hence why they seek to influence that culture to accommodate for their sickly tendencies.

>>538511696
Everyone should read the Gospel of John
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%201&version=NIV

one stupid christkike thread after the next on this glownigger website

>>538514886
>only jews can support (jewish) wars for the expansion of white global dominance.
Even without jews behind the scenes I would support the erasure of non-whites to support white globalism so we can finally move the fuck on towards space imperialism and murder all the aliens. Stop thinking that imperialism is jewish.

>>538515031
>small portion of hindus are atheist
This is like saying that christianity is pro-lgbt because a small portion of christianity is pro-lgbt. Come on.
>Hitchens was Jewish, and there's nothing wrong about that
I am not fond of jews but desu it is such a cheap adhom. If you want to attack new atheism, and in this case Hitchens, one needs to attack his arguments because he has a lot of influence.
>Your schizo state is showing anon.
How exactly?
>Tell me, are you an atheist or agnostic?
Neither. It is not even relevant to nihilism or morality

>>538515728
fuck off jew

>>538511696
atheists are jews best foot soldiers, carefree and remorseless no matter how individually shortsighted and societally destructive the "fun" and debauchery is, hence the obsession with such pressing matters as letting kids get their genitals mutilated because they are otherkin, letting in hordes of rapefugee shitskin slave labour and worship of aids ridden faggots

>>538515859
you worship a kike you shitskin nigger

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>>538511696
>How the fuck did so many people fall for this?
Like all people who are proud of how smart they are, they are not very intelligent after all.

>>538515244
Evil is readily apparent in todays world, especially with the veil being lifted in the age of mass information. You're just being Low IQ to deny evil at this point.

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>>538511696
Atheism is just religion without a god. Its only credential is that it is cloaked in the trappings of academia, and that lends it credibility among the midwit university-indoctrinated. When the subject turns to existential themes, spirituality, the Universe, death and such, the foundations of beliefs embraced by atheism are just the same guesswork and theorizing that they disparage as bases for religious thought, hypocrisy being no stranger to them.

Those who continued past the standard 4 year indoctrination boot camp abandon atheism the same those who never attended post-secondary "education" never embraced it in the first place. A little knowledge is, as they say, a dangerous thing.

>>538515786
I just showed you a sect of Hinduism that's atheist (which existed for thousands of years) and you refuse to admit you got it wrong?
> If you want to attack new atheism, and in this case Hitchens, one needs to attack his arguments because he has a lot of influence.
I attacked his fascistic and genocidal arguments. Hitchens himself was an insecure coward who was afraid to say "I believe God doesnt exist"

>Neither. It is not even relevant to nihilism or morality
yes, they are relevant anon. You cannot be a nihilist if you're a theist, because God means objective values and meaning exist. Nihilism fully rejects any objective value and meaning in this world, which is why many atheists are nihilists.

If you're not atheist or agnostic, then this can only mean you're a theist. What are you? Be specific and quit schizo posting.

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>>538515413
The New Atheism™ and especially The Four Horsemen® were a psyop designed to get liberals and libertarians to support, or at least not oppose, Bush & Blair's Global War On Terror. Remember Hitch's "Islamofascism" meme? That was designed to appeal to liberals and libertarians, both of whom are conditioned to foam at the mouth when you say "fascism". Well, times and circumstances have changed. Now that the first iteration of the zogwars is over, the New Atheism psyop has been discontinued and replaced with more appropriate psyops for the second iteration of the zogwars. Today, we need dumb White Southern evangelical boys to go fight and die for Israel over in Iran, to own the libs and protect God's Chosen, so now we get fake trad zio-Christianity to provide Shlomo with his goy cannon fodder. The meatgrinder must be fed.

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>>538515578
>objective good
Why bring up good when I talked about rejecting evil? I believe in good, just not in the christian/platonic sense. Subjective good since it is impossible to reach a fully objective point of view and therefore it is not possible for humans to reach an unbiased form of so-called objective truth or so-called objective morality.
>If I have a naturally evolved inclination
Can still be something to be overcome. Like herd thinking. Become Ubermensch
>Atheists engage in
> They have left the foundation of good and evil behind
1. I am not an atheist
2. They actually are extremely moral people who borrowed Christian morality.
>The logical endpoint of your ethos is that you don't believe in good.
Please understand that I disagree with both new atheist and christian morality. I am good. I am God. In old times this was the same word.
>You don't believe in the transcendental.
Both theists and atheists can embrace immanence. I am on the theist side. You can be a theist and be anti-christian.

>>538515697
Correct. Why would it be? It was just tribal warfare. People die, people fight, people rape. Animals do too. Holocaust was not even such a big deal. Why do people care so much about it? (Anti-)semites are so exhausting

So.... what does this entire thread have to do with not believing in a monotheistic god?

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>>538516222
>Those who continued past the standard 4 year indoctrination boot camp abandon atheism the same those who never attended post-secondary "education" never embraced it in the first place. A little knowledge is, as they say, a dangerous thing.

I'll be honest, it took me years to heal myself of all the atheist indoctrination shit they enforced on me since I was a child.

>>538512183
A person who attacks a system of morals should themselves be moral or be exposed as hypocrites.

>>538516402
>I just showed you a sect of Hinduism that's atheist (which existed for thousands of years) and you refuse to admit you got it wrong?
Yes, and I countered it. Read it again.
>I attacked his fascistic and genocidal arguments.
He is not fascist lol. Stop calling things you don't like fascism. And what is wrong with genocide? You are just killing people you don't like/are a threat to you. War is just part of humanity, stop being so moral about simple human things. Might is right.
>Hitchens himself was an insecure coward who was afraid to say "I believe God doesnt exist"
Yeah he is a soft atheist. If you are interested in strong atheist arguments look up hard atheism.

I have a fucking call right now for an hour so I can't answer the rest other than that I am a theist. Will continue replying if the thread is still up then.

>>538511696
The problem with the atheist movement is that it attacked religion from a fact-based science perspective when it should have attacked the moral underpinnings of abrahamism. Namely that being a weak cuck is holy.

>>538516523
It gives you brain damage and sends our society back to barbarism and backwardness. Just look how badly New Atheism has poisoned our society and politics.

I don't exactly know where our world is headed but I don't like the trajectory.

>>538516523
The new meta is asserting that whether or not it’s true doesn’t matter, we all have to pretend it is because it will get us better outcomes or something

>>538515271
Of course you're allowed to question motivation. If a billionaire is arguing that taxes and labor unions are bad, you're absolutely allowed to notice and even remark that, hey, maybe this dude thinks taxes and unions are bad because both of those things might make him less rich. Since no one becomes a billionaire by mistake (unless they inherit it), that dude making the argument very plausibly has spent a lot of time and effort accumulating wealth. Therefore, you might as well suggest that his wealth may be a material factor influencing his argument and see how he responds.

See? Totally plausible and allowed.

Let's go with Dawkins, then. He, uh, said some stuff (we don't get the actual quote of course) ostensibly about pedophilia. Are you saying he's a pedophile and therefore... against the Bible? That's a tough sell on multiple fronts -- primarily because the Bible, written in an era where men regularly fucked preteens, is actually pretty amenable to pedophilia. In fact, it might be a better argument to suggest that he should be FOR the Bible if he's a pedophile, right?

But also because you have no proof. A billionaire is very obviously a billionaire. It's concrete evidence. Deriving the idea that he's a pedophile and, BECAUSE he is a pedophile, therefore is arguing against the Bible is an extremely poor argument. You've assumed a non-trivial statement as fact without evidence and then used it to derive a position that's totally incompatible with the target of this "bad faith" argument... because, again, the Bible is totally cool with you fucking a twelve year old. The taboo on that came from those evil secular humanists.

>>538511696
> Dawkins Defends 'Mild' Pedophilia
This makes a bunch of things fall into place, actually.

>>538516775
Should I magically will my brain to start believing in a god because the outcomes for society will be better? I don't think that is even possible.

>>538516736
based and redpilled. become anti-christ

>>538516724
>Yes, and I countered it. Read it again.
You didn't counter anything. Read again. You said there is no atheist sect in Hinduism. That was your original claim and I disproved it.
>He is not fascist lol. Stop calling things you don't like fascism. And what is wrong with genocide?
Promoting genocide isn't fascist? But at least Nazis like you are easy to expose.

>Yeah he is a soft atheist. If you are interested in strong atheist arguments look up hard atheism.
I did, and thats why I left atheism. Realized right there that it's just another belief and an imaginary load of shit. People like Dawkins, Hitchens and Harris are cuckold atheists with insecurity issues.

> Will continue replying if the thread is still up then.
Don't care, because I won't reply to you anymore. You cannot reason with those who support genocide.

Hitchens was based, as was the extermination of human-sacrificing natives and the slaughter of muzloids post 9/11. Cope and seethe.

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can I get a serious reply from a christian about this meme? it's been a mindfuck to learn jesus ordered the jews to pull this shit on non-jews
>inb4 millstone verse as its not about literal children

Hitchens appealed to a certain demographic: White American anglophile midwits who grew up watching Masterpiece Theatre and think any arrogant blowhard with a "posh" Oxbridge accent must be really smart. Additionally, his louche manner made his fanboys think they were being "rebels" and "fighting the system", when in fact they were just as much puppets of the system as the dumb hick evangelicals they looked down on.
>sure, we're supporting this zog war, just like those backwoods bible-thumpers, but WE'RE doing it so Baghdad can have gay marriage and rainbow-dildo-butt-monkey parades. Take THAT, you stupid bible-thumpers!

>>538511696
There's 42,000+ denominations of Christianity. I am BEGGING you, please stop being so fucking retarded. Pascal's Wager isn't a wager, it's a ganging-pressing threat.

>>538517084
Knowledge is a subset of belief. Have you actually tried to seek God, anon?

It's what Im trying to do. I'm studying various religions and hopefully I'll find out which one is true.

I think it's Islam.

>>538516903
Yes but also I think some religious people are retarded enough that they are genuinely making the "its bad therefore its false" fallacy.

Just because something is good doesn't make it true and just because something is bad doesn't make it false.

>>538516903
As a collective, you should indeed choose whatever's convenient, which is atheism. As an individual you are responsible for yourself. Now as collective individuals? That's a very difficult community to gather. Too many want to play sigmas. There's no humility.
Personally I'm going through a very difficult stage in my life.

>>538517353
>There's 42,000+ denominations of Christianity.
Almost all of these denominations are irrelevant. My strategy is to read only the Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Bibles. That's it.

>>538517361
I have been brought up in a strict muslim household. I know first hand how bad religion is. I left that shit 25 years ago mate. The best thing anyone can do to move away from the monotheisms is to read their writings.

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>>538516619
Same here. It's amazing how deep that shit digs into your psyche. I think the only thing that eventually got me to where I am now was instinct that kept telling me that yeah, I believe this, but something's amiss; it kind of added up, but not really, and it wasn't something that I could ignore. Part of the reason why is that with indoctrination comes, I don't know the word for it, but exdoctrination describes it - it's as much what you reject as it is what you embrace. That left my natural pre-"education" perceptions as the last place I'd think to look for answers, but there they were.

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>>538511696
>How the fuck did so many people fall for this?
They lost the plot.
>Is this the best of what the religion of reason has to offer?
A bunch of jews and milquetoast anglos trying to sell their books? Hardly.

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But atheism has never been a viable option no matter the circumstances, yeah you can safely go all out on it.
It's like bringing up Dragon Ball or The Beatles on the philosophical round table.

>>538517361
>find out which one is true
I think that even if you presuppose the existence of God, any definition of the entity renders it so far beyond our ability to understand that, in my opinion, your chances of conceiving so much as its motivations (much less its nature) is biologically precluded by humans. IF some God exists, I'm sure we would be able to perceive it physically and dimensionally. Put an ant in front of a speaker blasting Mozart at 100db and that ant will feel the pressure waves as a physical sensation. But never in a million years of sitting in front of that speaker would an ant be able to comprehend so much as music itself -- its boundaries and guidelines; its mores and conventions -- much less its abstract, emotive payload or the being which created it.

Mozart, to an ant, just IS. To the ant, Mozart is just a phenomenon. It is we who have the ability to discern it who can apprehend its nature.

God is probably the same way, and as such, the likelihood that all the world's religious texts have come a fraction of a percent of the way to describing this entity is effectively zero.

>>538517507
Okay, tell me why Islam is bad.

Also, how many rakats are there in Wudu? You'd be surprised how many "ex-Muslims" get it wrong. Too bad I can't question you in person, because you can rely on chatgpt.

>The best thing anyone can do to move away from the monotheisms is to read their writings.
The best thing anyone can do to move away from atheisms is to read their writings.

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>>538511696
>>538512472
>>538512931
>I was Atheist! I read the holy scriptures of Atheism! And I followed the Prophets!
the level of larping... Ah, my Godness !

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No one is showing up on the call, nice.
>>538517177
>You didn't counter anything
I did. I was arguing that hinduism in general was not atheist. It isn't. You are focusing on just a small portion of hinduism that is atheist. Fair, but that does refute hinduism in general. Exceptions prove the rule. I even gave you an example of the same logical fallacy applied to christianity. Seriously, read it again.
>Promoting genocide isn't fascist?
Correct. Fascism has only existed since the 20th century. Genocide is ages old.
>But at least Nazis like you are easy to expose.
Fascism=/=Nazism and I am neither. I oppose untermensch nationalism and untermensch socialism. I am sorry but namecalling is a pretty cheap move. Attack the arguments, not me. Even if I was a nazi/fascist, which I am not, what is so wrong with genocide? Please explain. You wouldnt genocide all your enemies? I would and I would feel very good about it. Might is right.
>I did, and thats why I left atheism
Yeah, I was also very underwhelmed when I found out that none of them were hard atheists. Fucking take a stance already lol.
>You cannot reason with those who support genocide.
You can. You are just a morally uptight person when it comes down to this topic. Okay, so at least you have a moral foundation. I have a different one. It is just a politically incorrect one, but hey you are on /pol/ lol.

>>538517682
Have you actually done any research with religious texts? Or did you just choose to believe what's only in your head?

>>538517856
>but that does refute hinduism in general.
does NOT refute lol*

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Hitchens would pick on old boomer priests that couldn't keep up with his comedic pilpul and would curse them out for attacking his faggot degenerate friend

>>538517951
I can see why you would prefer delving into sectarianism to engaging with the point I was making. I don't blame you for it. If it makes you feel any better, this question is kind of a kill shot. No one can answer it without giving something up. Aquinas couldn't answer the question I'm asking you, so don't feel bad for changing the subject.

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>>538517597
based nietzschean

>>538517833
You think it's not possible to leave atheism? Does this thought make you uncomfortable?

>>538511696
Reason always leads towards theism and away from atheism. Atheism is a superstition, also known as the belief in something without a cause. Theists understand cause and effect, which is why they understand that there must be a First Cause.

>>538518182
I hope that he gets very uncomfortable. "Don't leave the flock!" Fucking herd animals

>>538511696

You sought these people out because you cant think for yourself. Most atheists just get on with it. The ones that try to find some orthodoxy, some authority, they're just religious faggots who are afraid to larp. You hate them now because you see something hateful about yourself. But you're not that guy anymore right? The creator of the universe fucked around in the middle east a few thousand years ago and the myths, folklore and prophesied chosen one of the jews is obviously the metaphysical truth, obviously.

>>538512183
You haven't made an argument either. You've said nothing worth addressing lol

>>538517719
Once again. Bad/good has nothing to do with true/false. And therefore the islam good/bad thing is irrelevant.
I have no idea how many rakats in wudu. IIRC my grandad did explain it to me back in the day when I was a young lad. Not like I remember.

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>>538512472
>euphoric
Thank you for the kek anon

>>538511696
Because atheists are blinded by a rage they picked up from reddit. They simply cannot live and let live if you're a Christian, but only if you're Christian oddly enough. I say this as an agnostic, athioids are the most closed-minded and irrationally angry people that exist. Insufferable cunts.

>>538518125
Anon, have you done ANY research? Be honest?

Or did you simply take the easy path, decided to blindly believe there is no God?

A lot of so-called atheists insisted they did their research. But if I scrutinized them... they would react with anger and insecurity.

>>538511696
There is no such thing as an ex atheist. You are born an atheist and will die an atheist. Same as everyone else. Religion is man made mental illness.

>>538518271
>Reason always leads towards theism and away from atheism
No it fucking doesn't. Both theists and atheists have flocks of superstitious people. And theism is even more honest about having a majority of superstitious people among their ranks.
>Theists understand cause and effect,
And atheists don't? Come on.
>which is why they understand that there must be a First Cause.
Both atheists and theists can embrace the big bang theory. Big bang theory is very popular among atheists so I really don't understand your fucking point here

>>538518293
Your idea of Christianity is an evangelical heresy.

>>538518146

Theres nothing Nietzschean about rap.

>>538518413
Reddit moment

>>538518412
You're coping right now. Still trying to bait me into a different conversation. If you respond directly to my point, maybe we can have a conversation. Then, maybe we can talk about credentials or reading lists or whatever totally orthogonal garbage you're trying to draw me into. You know my position and my argument. Refute it or stop posturing. You're embarrassing yourself with all this pretense.

>>538518182
if you start collecting stamps after a lifetime of not collecting stamps, do you say you left "not-stamp-collectism"?
mother fucker, not believing some goat fucker's supersticious beliefs is the default. you don't "leave it"

>>538518146
Lol so you're a wigger? Awesome dude I'm glad for you lol

>>538518500
The picture literally explains why it is Nietzschean.

>>538518069
Hitchens fancied himself a philosopher, but he was basically just a midwit sophist permanently stuck in adolescence.

>>538511696
Very similar phenotype to Michael Aquino

>>538518517
Yeah, your argument is only in your head. You didn't figure ANYTHING out, anon. Nothing at all. You didn't test yourself or tried to find out the correct answer out there. But that's your choice, and I understand it. Because I don't expect people to do the hard work.

>>538518558
Yeah but I also make fun of wiggers. And niggers. I am just an open minded person and I don't like to be limited. I am white so why the fuck should I limit myself lol? White people are literally the extreme race, even too extreme for themselves. Based

>>538518644
Sophism can be very based though. It can also be very cringe like with anti-elitist views.

>>538518412
Here's ONE reason why I don't believe in, at the very least, gods that are claimed to be all powerful. Like in Islam.

If your god is bound by logic, then your god is not all powerful by definition since he would need to be unbounded.

If your god is not bound by logic, then you can no longer make any claim whatsoever about said god. Since any claim you make will put your god back inside a logical framework which he is not bound by.

>>538518635
Would Ayn Rand have approved of rap? She had a huge crush on a psycho who raped and butchered a 12-year-old girl, which is pretty Nietzschean by that Twitter definition, so she shouldn't have any problem with slappin' hoes aroun' n bustin' a cap in a nigga's ass, gnome sane?

>>538518550
Do you believe God doesn't exist? Yes or No?
And what makes on stamp collecting and not the other according to your analogy?

>>538518749
You sound like a retard, no surprise there for a wigger.

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Still waiting for an explanation of this "mild pedophilia" thing. Imagine defending 18 yo magical age of consent thinking only because the law says so. Dawkins probably had good points

>>538518922
>She had a huge crush on a psycho who raped and butchered a 12-year-old girl, which is pretty Nietzschean by that Twitter definition

>[Rand] announced that the world was divided between a small minority of Supermen who are productive and “the naked, twisted, mindless figure of the human Incompetent” who, like the Leninists, try to feed off them. He is “mud to be ground underfoot, fuel to be burned.” It is evil to show kindness to these “lice”: The “only virtue” is “selfishness.”
>She meant it. Her diaries from that time, while she worked as a receptionist and an extra, lay out the Nietzschean mentality that underpins all her later writings. The newspapers were filled for months with stories about a serial killer called William Hickman, who kidnapped a 12-year-old girl called Marion Parker from her junior high school, raped her, and dismembered her body, which he sent mockingly to the police in pieces. Rand wrote great stretches of praise for him, saying he represented “the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatsoever for all that a society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul. . . . Other people do not exist for him, and he does not see why they should.” She called him “a brilliant, unusual, exceptional boy,” shimmering with “immense, explicit egotism.” Rand had only one regret: “A strong man can eventually trample society under its feet. That boy [Hickman] was not strong enough.”


https://firstthings.com/ayn-rands-superman-a-serial-killer-and-rapist/

>>538518956
Cont.
Or is your answer neither? Braindead? In which case the non-stamp collecting analogy would be justified.

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>>538518922
Idc about Rand because Rational Egoism is just a bastardized version of Stirners trve Egoism. Also, imagine believing in the NAP lol. Fucking moralist trash.
>>538518960
Oh, okay

>>538518748
I mean, I understand why you don't want to answer the question. It's dangerous to everything you believe. The best concession you can make is that God's nature is a total fucking mystery to us, and just to cut out the foreplay, this is the point at which I'd mock you (probably pretty viciously) for following the proscriptions of a book which pretends to know the nature of a mystery as it tells you what your political platform/sexual habits/dietary choices/etc should be.

I get that. I get that you're posturing because you don't have anything substantive to say. I get this because I have seen many people posture in the exact same way in front of this exact same argument before. No surprise there.

What I can never understand is why you guys are always such fucking CUNTS about it. Have some fuckin humility. Isn't that in your holy book?

>>538517682
> IF some God exists, I'm sure we would be able to perceive it physically and dimensionally.

What a retarded idea. The very first verse of the Bible precludes this.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

God created the universe. If God created the universe, He necessarily predates it and is capable of existing outside of it.

You are a fish looking for a fishtank factory inside of your little glass bowl and failing to find one.

>>538511696
Both Abrahamism and Atheism are brain damage.

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>>538518550
>if you start collecting stamps after a lifetime of not collecting stamps, do you say you left "not-stamp-collectism"?
I'll take your autistic bait.

If you were a vegetarian for many years, you do end up leaving it after eating meat.

Atheism is a claim that's either true or false. It's a worldview and a statement about reality. When you say God doesn't exist, you're making a statement that is either true or false. Don't try using the cuckold "lack of belief in God" definition unless you wish to look like an idiot.

If you say you don't collect stamps, then you are also making a claim thats true or false (which can be tested). Youre trying to twist the narrative and make it irrelevant like stamp collecting, but guess what, some stamps are worth a fortune. Picture related, you woud be fucking pissed if someone tricked you into throwing it away.

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>>538518840
I only like sophists with posh brit accents who drink and smoke on stage, despite it being against the rules. Way to stick it to The Man! Ima go fight in the Middle East for Freedom and Feminism! Take THAT, all you christcuck prudes!

>>538518480
>Both theists and atheists have flocks of superstitious people
I didn't say that all religious people are reasonable. I said that reason always leads to theism.
>And atheists don't? Come on.
No, they absolutely do not. You cannot claim to understand cause and effect while also claiming that there is no First Cause.
>Both atheists and theists can embrace the big bang theory. Big bang theory is very popular among atheists so I really don't understand your fucking point here
The "big bang" is not a theory about the nature of a First Cause. A First Cause must be absolutely First. Meaning it exists prior to matter, prior to time, prior to space and prior to everything that exists. The "big bang" just asserts that matter and energy were collected before they expanded, but it says nothing about where matter and energy came from. Someone who actually understands the nature of cause and effect will also understand that life can only come from Life, and mind can only come from Mind. It necessarily leads towards theism.

>>538519167
Said the reddit fence sitter

>>538519338
>reddit hates atheism

>>538519260
>Don't try using the cuckold "lack of belief in God" definition unless you wish to look like an idiot.

But that is what it means, forcing all atheists to identify as “””agnostic””” is retarded because you’re constructing a definition of knowledge where nobody is allowed to “know” anything

>>538519112
That's nice. How, exactly, does your point address my broader point? Actually, maybe we can play a game. Given the broader point I was making, from which that individual sentence was cherry-picked, what do you think I'm going to say to you about "bro just trust what the Bible says"?

>>538519108
Come on anon, don't project like that.

>The best concession you can make is that God's nature is a total fucking mystery to us
>following the proscriptions of a book which pretends to know the nature of a mystery

And how can you be so certain of this? Have you read any of the religious books? Have you finished the Bible and the Quran?

>>538519510
That's nice, or whatever.

>>538519106
>Also, imagine believing in the NAP lol. Fucking moralist trash.
The NAP was a figleaf. The 'Gina Tingle is the acid test. When Hickman kidnapped, raped, and butchered 12-year-old Marion Parker, Alisa Rosenbaum's jewish vagina gushed and tingled, signaling the presence of a TRUE Nietzschean alpha male. Her loins were ready to receive the superior sperm to breed the Ultimate Jew Atheist World Conquer of the goyim.

If someone rapes and murders your little daughter, accept it as a sign of a superior man who makes the vaginas of ugly old jewesses tingle and gush.

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>>538519491
Even from your POV you can still collect clues, purpose and meaning. Imago Dei which makes sense from first principles alone. It's fallacious to be handicapped ultimately.

>>538519477
Academics disagree with you anon. They showed that atheism is a belief. If you tried to insist "it's a lack of belief in God"... you might end up ridiculed and humiliated. Because it shows you cannot think on your own.
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/

I'm not forcing anything anon. I'm just questioning disbelievers and pointing out their own doubts and insecurities.

Answer the following: are you an atheist or an agnostic?

>>538519719
Cont.
There's sin, shame, dignity, good, bad, fall, redemption, etc. all derived from first principles which can connect back to solid grounded explanations given by the Bible.

>>538519783
As defined by that specific paper id be an agnostic. But if you operated on that framework for everything else you would also have no right to make a claim that I am NOT a monkey in the rainforest using a jury rigged computer made up of wood and powered by fruit. So it’s retarded

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>>538519477
Anything can be termed a lack of belief of the contrary, it doesn't mean anything. It's a weak cop out which doesn't even hold.

>>538520007
Wooooah you tripped up someone with a double negative you’re so smart

>>538517682
>IF some God exists, I'm sure we would be able to perceive it physically and dimensionally
It's the dead opposite, actually. If something is divine it can't be perceived by the senses. If it can be perceived by the senses, then by default it cannot be divine. Their natures are contrary, inherently. You should read Plotinus to disabuse yourself of that assumption, because it could not be more wrong if you tried.

>>538518146
Rap is subversive, so it's a mixed bag. Nietzsche explicitly advocated against chasing money, women, wealth and material comfort. However, the tough, affirmative life force that embraces the tragic and gritty aspects of existence rather than denying them, is what Nietzsche would admire. There is a direct line between the "cowboy" and the "gangster rapper". However, the "cowboy" itself was a subversion of the previous hero archetype, i.e. the injun. Be careful with these jews.

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>>538520095
In order to confuse the enemy, you first have to confuse yourself.

>>538519993
Okay, you admit you're agnostic. Agnosticism rejects atheism just as much as theism. Now lets see if you have the balls to dismiss atheism.

Say: atheism is just another belief and I don't find it convincing.

>you would also have no right to make a claim that I am NOT a monkey in the rainforest using a jury rigged computer made up of wood and powered by fruit
You're not.

>>538519491
I would say your general point is fairly perceptive and that man's inability to fully comprehend the divine is supported Biblically.
In Exodus 33, for example, God says that Moses can not look upon His face and my only glimpse His form as He passes by. To do more would kill him. Man is not capable of fully understanding the Almighty.
Given that human beings have intuited that there is a spiritual/supernatural component to life more or less universally for all of human history except now, in the post-WW2 west, I would say that humanity HAS felt the impact of both divine good and evil and that it's fairly self-evident.

God doesnt real mortimer

>>538520300
>You're not.
You can’t know that with 100% certainty you have to say you don’t know otherwise you’re making an unverifiable claim :)

>>538520107
>Rap is subversive
Well, that goes without saying since it was cooked up by jews (Lyor Cohen, Clive Davis, Jerry Heller, Lucian Grainge, Frederick Rubin, et al.) who used their pet niggers as the vehicle for our subversion.

>>538520349
Ah, always evading. At least cuckold disbelievers like you provide bottomless comedy.

>You can’t know that with 100% certainty
Meh, my knowledge about it is good enough.

>>538520549
You have zero knowledge about whether or not I’m a magical rainforest monkey just like I have zero knowledge on if God is real. So why do you think you get to say no and I have to say maybe?

>>538511696
>mild pedophilia
I suspect this is talking about being attracted to post-pubescent girls and the author is trying to demonize him in the most retarded way possible. He is a biologist, so a biological look on sex would make sense coming from him.
>>538512472
>main downfall of atheism
>vast majority of his own community are saying it sucks dick and is massively cringe

>>538520939
Because knowledge of God is a matter of pure reason and requires only logic whereas knowledge of a magical monkey requires empirical evidence because it's a claim about the physical world. A man does not require physical evidence to assert modus ponens, but he does require physical evidence to assert that he discovered something within the world.

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>>538516775
It was the abrahamic faiths that championed importing a shit ton of low IQ third-worlders and sending missionaries to indoctrinate them all with bronze-age morality.

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>>538511696
I think the funniest thing to me was Dawkins hawking atheism as a religion of peace contemporary to Pol Pot's wild ride.

>>538516619
>>538517524
You're both full of shit. You don't just decide to believe in a bunch of fairy tales unless you've fucked up your life to the point where a gaggle of cultists love-bombing you feels like your only path out. Atheism, at the very least agnostic atheism since it's impossible to prove the non-existence of something, is a far more stable position.

>>538519260
>Don't try using the cuckold "lack of belief in God" definition unless you wish to look like an idiot.
Why? I don't believe in god. I don't pretend I know god does not exist for a fact, but I don't believe your claim if you say he does.

>>538520939
Anon, knowledge isn't perfect certainty, it's a well supported belief. I'm not going into any details explaining epistemology, but your game is obvious. And pathetic.

Change definitions and meanings, be evasive and vague, be technically correct but highly misleading, and then confuse with layers upon layers while hoping no one sees through the bullshit. This is what disbelievers are like.

This is also why I left atheism. It's only a matter of time before other people catch up with your playbook. That's when I expect a religious revival across all of society.

>>538519318
>I said that reason always leads to theism.
No it does not lmao

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>>538519260
Burden of proof lies with those making the claim. Being a theist is the claim that you believe God exists. Atheists call bullshit and demand proof. You can't prove the non-existence of something, so theists need to back their claims. Otherwise, you're gonna end up with a near limitless amount of gods you've got to disprove without rendering your own false.

>>538521733
Yes, it absolutely does. A coherent worldview always affirms the existence of a First Cause. To do otherwise is to reject cause and effect as a whole, which is to reject logic as a whole.

Anyone who studies the NDE phenomenon, terminal lucidity, death bed visions, with an honest and open mind, comes to the conclusion that there's something else going on than just the physical world. The excuse of "it's just your brain hallucinating!" quickly falls apart as you look into the MASSIVE number of cases.

>>538521819
>A coherent worldview always affirms the existence of a First Cause.
>hurr durr muh Kalam cosmological argument durr
And the first cause is god... how? If god can exist without a cause, so can the universe. Your logic sucks. Kill yourself.

>>538521798
Theism has always been substantiated by reason. Atheists disagree only because they refuse to trust reason. They think that logic itself is insufficient to come to truthful conclusions and demand physical evidence, which makes them materialists. Which, in turn, makes them believers that truth itself is relative. Which is an incoherent and self-refuting worldview.

>>538521489
>You don't just decide to believe in a bunch of fairy tales
Like atheism?

>you've fucked up your life to the point where a gaggle of cultists love-bombing you
This is exactly what New Atheism was. A cult where members were love bombing newcomers, saying how special they are and smarter than everyone else.

> it's impossible to prove the non-existence of something
You can prove a 0 anon.

>at the very least agnostic atheism
Go on, anon. Explain to me what so-called agnostic atheism is?

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>>538521819
What makes you think your God is the First Cause? Simply stating the universe has always existed in one form or another is a far easier explanation. An omnipotent consciousness that manifested all of it just adds superfluous complexity.

I don't believe in the jew God but have never listened to any of these guys. They're not the equivalent of your priests for people who don't believe in god.

>>538521819
Also, nothing says infinite regress is impossible. Many physicists believe the universe is eternal in some form. Kill yourself again.

>>538521950
The First Cause is necessarily the cause of everything sequent to it. It's the sole source of existence, making it supreme and perfect in all ways.

>If god can exist without a cause, so can the universe
Then you're claiming that the universe is the First Cause. You haven't refuted the existence of the First Cause, you've simply asserted that something else is it because you were unable to engage with the question properly. But if the universe is the First Cause then that makes the universe our creator, and that makes it in possession of Life and Mind, since whatever is the author of Life and Mind must have it in order to grant it to its sequent effects.

>>538521884
I also want to add is that it seems a lot of these prominent atheists actually worked backwards from their thesis. They should be looking to criticize and explore questions of life after death, rather than hyper focus on religion. When you go after religion, you're ignoring the area's in which the evidence does exist, mainly in the ones I noted. It feels to me that it's the big reason why so many of these prominent atheists seem so incredibly ignorant about the subject- because they are. They're good at disseminating religion, but they are deeply ignorant and generally uninformed about evidence that exists that you continue to exist after death. It only makes logical sense that if you're going to go after religion, you should first go after the concept of life after death itself first.

>>538521959
>Atheists disagree only because they refuse to trust reason
The fuck are you talking about. It's theists that abandon reason in favor of faith.
>They think that logic itself is insufficient to come to truthful conclusions and demand physical evidence
That's called being pragmatic. You aren't gonna get very far with logic if all you've got are fairy tales from a book. You need something concrete to work with.
>Which, in turn, makes them believers that truth itself is relative
It's context sensitive.

>>538522108
>>538522019
kill yourself

>>538511696
>How the fuck did so many people fall for this?
Fall for what?

>>538521717
>Anon, knowledge isn't perfect certainty, it's a well supported belief

Ok but I have designed the magic monkey claim such that there is no possible way for you to obtain proof I am not such. Therefore you are agnostic on the issue

>>538521971
>You can prove a 0 anon
0 is an abstraction, retard.
>Go on, anon. Explain to me what so-called agnostic atheism is?
Already did right here >>538521798

>>538521798
There is no burden of proof without God to begin with as there's no proving or knowing anything.
>>538521991
No, it simplifies everything into making sense.

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>>538511696
They're not the religion of reason, they're the religion of irrationality.

Logic and truth are rooted in God, to be divorced from God is to be divorced from logic & truth.

If they were truly logical, they would be Christian.

>>538511696
Do I need to check their early life?

>>538518987
Dawkins almost always has and has had rational points when you actually listen to what he has said.
Every time some dickhead says "oh dawkins the boss of atheism said so and so". Then you go listen to him and its literally the most rational sound of mind thing ever.
But whatever. I expect strawman after strawman.

>>538522108
>you've simply asserted
Loke everyone who asserts their favorite flavor of God is the first cause

>>538522221
>There is no burden of proof without God to begin with as there's no proving or knowing anything
This makes no sense at all.
>No, it simplifies everything into making sense
It adds an extra layer of complexity. It does the exact opposite of simplifying.

>>538521701
Do you also lack belief in atheism?

When people claim "I believe there is no God" or "There is no God", do you also respond with "prove it"? Do you also find these claims unconvincing?

How can I be sure there is no God? Because others say so? Or like some cuckold disbeliever, because they insist they how they only doubt the existance of God?

Doubting isn't evidence anon. Doubting doesn't make it true.

>>538522249
>Logic and truth
Are unfaithful

>>538522019
Infinite is more of a mathematical thing...it doesn't really exist in physical systems. You'd need infinite energy for an infinite universe, and that's not possible under real world physics.

>>538521991
I don't think that "my God" is the First Cause. The First Cause is God because it's first, because whatever is first must also be Supreme by logical necessity.

>Simply stating the universe has always existed in one form or another is a far easier explanation
All you're doing here is switching labels without addressing anything of substance. If the universe is First in the order of ontology, then the universe must pre-possess everything that exists. Something cannot exist unless it exists within the first cause. So you're claiming that the universe is in possession of Life and Mind, which is the same as claiming that the universe is God. Which is what the people you say you disagree with are already claiming.

> An omnipotent consciousness that manifested all of it just adds superfluous complexity.
No, asserting that Life and Mind arose randomly from nothing adds superfluous complexity, and all complexities are falsities. Truth and simplicity go hand in hand, and the truth is that existence is absolutely simple. It's so simple that everything in existence stems from One.

>>538522371
>Do you also lack belief in atheism?
Thats a retarded question.

Atheism is the disbelief or lack of belief in God or gods

>>538522019
Logic absolutely 100% says at every possible juncture that infinite regresses do not exist and cannot exist. A series of potentials with no actual to begin the chain does not have substance. Or in other words, an infinite regress cannot subsist on itself, meaning it must subsist on something else.

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>>538522364
It answers the intellectual and spiritual question. Unless you're saying the source lacks those things.
These things don't even have to be said, it's not an organic and natural way of thinking, just looking for squabbles honestly.

>>538512472
Damn, what's the religion called where I don't believe in fucking Harry Potter?

>>538522221
>There is no burden of proof
Then there's no reason why anyone should believe in your personal feelings and opinions

>>538522375
>I don't think that "my God" is the First Cause. The First Cause is God because it's first, because whatever is first must also be Supreme by logical necessity
I'll refine my statement:
What makes you think God is the First Cause? The universe always existing is far simpler and requires far less explanation.
>All you're doing here is switching labels without addressing anything of substance
I'm not. One is an omnipotent consciousness. The other lacks will or motive and simply is.
>If the universe is First in the order of ontology, then the universe must pre-possess everything that exists. Something cannot exist unless it exists within the first cause. So you're claiming that the universe is in possession of Life and Mind, which is the same as claiming that the universe is God
I disagree with this. I see complexity emerging from simplicity. Things can exist that didn't exist prior. New, unique arrangements are always being formed.
>asserting that Life and Mind arose randomly from nothing adds superfluous complexity
Not randomly. Iteratively and through emergent behavior of the underlying mechanics that make them up. All you need is an imperfect replicator and a medium in which it can replicate.

>>538521798
>Burden of proof lies with those making the claim.
Exactly. Once you make a claim, the burden of proof is on you.

So if someone says "there is no God" - then this person is also making a claim, which then requires proof.

That's why disbelievers are obsessed with changing the definition of atheism into "I lack belief in God". Because it keeps the claim only on theists (NOT atheists).

But academics see through this "lack of belief in God" game and don't fall for it. However, the average person isn't aware of the game and gets indoctrinated by the cult.

>>538522666
>666
Of course it's this faggot.

>>538511696

Nigger, you want to talk about pedophilia and rape, look no further than the Catholic Church, a fucking international network of pedos with literally hundredths of thousands of cases, more than 300 thousand in France alone. Nobody beats religion when it comes to pedos and rape at an industrial scale.

And you want to talk about "illegal" invasions of Muslims? Nigger there are no human rights outside of Western civilization. The Muslims wipe their ass with them, kill the gays, oppress the women, religious minorities and the own population in general. The vast majority of their 51 countries are brutal dictatorships that rule by force, many had legal slavery until 1981 like Mauritania (Saudis until 1962, UAE until 1963, Oman 1970, etc, etc, etc ), and you want to cry foul when somebody stronger does what they do to their populations to them? Go fuck yourself, what goes around comes around.

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>>538522510
>It answers the intellectual and spiritual question
So does emergence. Simple things interact with each other to become, collectively, greater than the sum of their parts.

>>538522778
>>666
The amount of times I've hurt your feelings lol

>>538522767
>disbelievers

Hah, you lost shit skin.

>>538522767
The claim isn't necessarily that there is no God. It's that you lack sufficient evidence to prove that God exists and can be easily dismissed as a fabrication.

>>538512085
Christianity was a kike psyop, you dumb cattle.

>>538522867
Ironic that you will take life which is the only thing against entropy to make your case.

>>538522946
>the only thing against entropy
How so? If anything, life rides the direction of entropy to keep itself going.

>>538515887
You don't even know the origin of the word kike

>>538517091
>say they are amoral
>say become anti-christ
It's like you're not even trying to keep the mask on

>>538521383
That's the scam. Just like with muslims. Pretend pol pot and others weren't real atheists.

>>538522697
>I disagree with this.
That's not something you get to agree or disagree with, it's the foundation of logic itself. Ex nihilo nihil fit is one of the primary logical axioms. It asserts that something cannot emerge from nothing. There is never such a thing as an "emergent property". Wherever something exists, that thing pre-existed within its immediate cause. When something new appears to exist, it's just that, an appearance. It's an illusion that only exists as a consequence of ignorance, but it's never an accurate representation of reality, because reality is determined by logic and logic states that nothing cannot produce something. Any worldview that has to violate logical axioms such as Ex nihilo and the law of non-contradiction is by definition incoherent and insane.

>>538521819
Why do you think the first cause is yahweh and not allah, or krishna, or something else entirely? People like jumping directly from a vague notion you may be able to consider a deity to the specific one they believe in. Maybe the first cause is entirely natural, which would support the big bang model.

>>538523046
Why is one infinitely big turtle more logical than an endless tower of them? They’re both infinite.

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>>538511696
>How the fuck did so many people fall for this?
Really bad religious education in one factor. E.g. Lutherans just avoid all the stuff that seems against modern sensibilities or difficult to answer. Like you'd expect the people at confirmation camps etc. to be able to deal with Dawkins-tier concerns from 15 year olds but they can't and don't want to. Just have a study bible at hand or something ffs. Even if you don't know why God smote these or those peoples, if you're a believer you should be able to admit those peoples must have had it coming, but no.
So despite church connection from birth to adulthood you're left with an impression the christian worldview really is contradictory, childish, inconsistent and incoherent. Because modern protestants are basically hippie gay atheists themselves, and a consistent coherent christian worldview can't fully align with hippie gay atheism.

>>538511696
So you went and belieeved?

>>538521798
>human beings perceived sight for hundreds of thousands of years before anyone knew what a light particle was.
>human being perceived sounds for hundreds of thousands of years before anyone knew what a sound wave was.
>human beings, universally, across all cultures, perceived the supernatural, transcendental, and divine for hundreds of thousands of years but it's all just invisible nonsense gobbiltygook and you can toss it out.

Have you considered that you just have a bad relationship with your parents that you project onto all authority?

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>>538522778
The Ghost of Tel Aviv can't help but come to these thread and spread the talmudic faith

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>>538522515
Strawman. Anon, don't play this game. Do you know how many scientists get their respective fields wrong? It happens all the time, and most publications turn out to be false.

If scientific theories get proven wrong, then these disproven theories are manmade inventions. Like Lord of the Rings, much about the Middle Earth is scientifically correct, but it doesn't elves and orks are real. Should false scientific theories be placed into the fantasy section of the library=

Should we also mock scientists like this, saying they're living in a fantasy world? (note:some academics actually mock like this, it's like highschool)

Should we take another step further and say these scientists should be locked into mental institutions? Insanity (by definition) means the person is not in touch with reality, so scientists who get their observations wrong are technically insane.

>>538523046
>That's not something you get to agree or disagree with, it's the foundation of logic itself
It's not. Things can exist that didn't prior and they can cease to exist in the future. While the matter and forces might be consistent, the abstraction that are made from them aren't so firmly planted in reality.
>It asserts that something cannot emerge from nothing
You just refuted the concept of God. My claim is that the universe always existed, in one form or another. Something was always there. Sure you could say the same for God, but that's just another layer of complexity that makes even less sense.

>>538523352
Answer shit skin. What is it called?

If you cannot answer this very simple question, you lose.

This isn't up for debate.