That.. actually makes a lot of sense. No wonder the "american dream" always sounded like creepy propaganda.
>>538512369We're going back to the time of Robber Barons.
>>538512369you lost, tranny
>>538512369People in communist nations lived worse than peasants.
>>538512369It won't work.
>>538512369COVID was truly the final death knell to the American middle class.
>>538512369Same thing with immigration. While there was a communist revolution threat, they were cautious with it. But after the fall of USSR they went all out. You are not being betrayed by anyone, you are just witnessing the real face of capitalism without its mask on.
>>538512369Being a peasant in todays world would suck, at least back in feudal Europe you could spend your time around animals, be outside, not worry about anything outside your little village or hamlet, make up crazy stories about werewolves and shit.
>>538512369And thanks to Palantir/NSA/AI-powered dragnet surveillance, it will become progressively harder to mount any kind of effective peasant revolt against the overlords. Hence why they're cracking down so hard on anti-AI protesters and activists
>>538512582>you could spend your time around animalsPlenty of that to go around- just go outside
>>538512369OF THE AMERICAN DREAM OF THE AMERICAN DREAMOF THE AMARICAN DREAM
You have all the guns, just shoot them. Half of them are tweaking on uppers so hard they won't even notice. You don't need to have a communist revolution, you just need to purge a few CEOs and stop going into debt to fund international adventurism.
THE AMERICAN DREAM WAS ALWAYS A LIE TO SELL MORE DEBT VIA MORTGAGES. MORE SUBURBS = MORE USUARY THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED FOLKS.
>>538512663TERRACOTTA PIE
>>538512582don't forget that peasants (for the most part) didn't have to die in wars and perhaps most importantly that they had access to verile aged women guaranteed to them
>>538512369The middle class was big beginning at the start of the 20th century if not earlier in some places. Communism is from the devil and the jews
>>538512369But the threat isnt gone, communism has seeped into academics and media since ww2
>>538512526oh we are far from done, just wait
>>538512570capitalism isnt the problem, its unbridled and unmitigated corporate greed that is the problem. you could have the same immigration issue with any other system.if the jeets make good goys and do the jobs without complain, why wouldn't a communist leader take that approach too?
>>538512662Most of Russia still lives like a peasant so I'm not surprised you'd know otherwise lol
>>538512369except medieval peasants worked less hours, had land, had loli wives, had tons of kids, paid less tax, and had more free time than we do
>>538512916>corporations isn't capitalism. Nah it is.
>>538512369>threaten communist revolution to gain economic concessions it's just crazy enough to work
>>538512916>if the jeets make good goys and do the jobs without complain, why wouldn't a communist leader take that approach too?Because making a profit is not the point. The employer has no incentive to ship cheap labour from thousands of kilomerets away when he has a pool of workforce around his area.
The middle class is always the most targeted class, historically. They're always who populist movements and elites always target first when shit ever starts to dip.
>>538512793Cultural Leftism isn't a threat to big business.>>538512501>>538512475>REEEEEEEEEEEEE Kek
>>538512423No, we're all going back to the stone age, thanks to importing a gazillion 60 IQ niggers who don't know how to build anything.
>>538512369There is no faster, indisputable way to communicate that you should be euthanized, than wasting time arguing "economic theory" while any and all "economy" rests on a foundation so rotten, it cannot even be called a "monetary system" in jest. The only "economy" you have ever known, lived by and participated in boils down to the sale of longterm problems and the renting of shortterm solutions (= marginally smaller, metastizing problems) for the sole purpose of prolonging any given problem, maximizing dependance, debt and interest.Currency is not money. It is a vacous, self-referential commodity and, legally, an irredemable liability that you cannot ever own, only burrow. It's not physically printed, digitially generated or even tabulated anymore. It's assumed to exist (ex and in nihilo) in the past (debt), the present (credit) and the future (interest), in whatever volumes necessary to control your behavior - parasocially misengineer and mismanage the world.
>>538512369Always has been. Control one way or another
>>538512369There's a significant school of thought among those who have actually given this informed thought that supports this. What you are seeing is not an anomaly; it is what is supposed to be happening.
>>538512988idk where you guys learned this bullshit but peasants were not well treated and had almost no status in society. they had tons of kids because kids often died much younger back then. peasants generally were not educated and could not read. it was legitimately a slave-labor class. yeah you can say modern wagies are that too, but so what? that is the only way it can be. we got rid of legit slavery and the work needs to be done by someone.
>>538512570>you are not being betrayed by anyone>it's just capitalismboth can be true anon>>538512916>capitalism isnt the problem>its unbridled and unmitigated corporate greed that is the problemthat's capital-ISM. you mean to defend "free exchange" which is protected from exploitation by a strong government
>>538512570but now there is threat of revolution and TKD and their response is to post 'based' on twitter and trump to wonder why his approval is so low while posting 500 word essays on trumptwitter.
>>538513345>yeah you can say modern wagies are that tooWell, no, you can't. Its close in some respects, but a modern worker lives a life light-years better than an average peasant in the Medieval Age.
Except, peasants were needed in the past to work the land.Now, they don't even need you for that.They're just going to cull you.
>>538513345woah, sort of like us?I'm an early gen x faggot who grew up in poverty on a Yugoslav farm during a civil war. We had it better then than now.
>>538513345You're talking specifically about serfs, not all peasants were serfs.
>>538512570>you cant have a self interested state unless you give up private property, ban religion, and let the state police your opinions
>>538513448the peasant had kids, a wife, and a community. We've been stripped of basic social necessities for slavery to continue.They aren't even hiding it anymore dude, they're basically saying 'Braphapdatarat and Abdul work for half as much and get to rape your kids with impunity, just go extinct goy'
>>538512423We've been in the time of robber barons the whole time
>>538512663>>538512711BANANANANANANANANANANANNANANANANNA BANANANANANANANA
>communism>capitlismGoyim cattle fighting over which lie is trueyou are why we call goyim cattleyou will never be seen as a human beingthe dumbest ashkenazi child has more free will than youyou are livestock, a foul beast created by god to do labor and nearly wiped out in a flood before he created the first two jews (adam and eve)you are the serpent seed, the offspring of cain and the inferior creation of man without true free willyou are an ape like creature. goyim find animals attractive. goyim like whites are always furries. goyim like blacks, indians, and hispanics fuck horses. goyim like arabs and “aryans” fuck goats. you are animals and fuck animals.jews are the descendants of god>yids fuck kids!women always married earlier before goyim pushed for age of consent laws because a goyim woman said she wanted more time to fuck dogsit was your ideawe just agreed because it would mean less of youfeminism was your ideaall nordic goyim societies were somewhat feministracial equality and mass migration were your ideasthey are christian ideasfor liars who made up a messiah to claim to be jewsbut you are notcommunism was your ideaits how christians and pagans lived in their primitive tribescapitalism was your idea, its how the romans conducted their economywe dont even collect interest among ourselvesi dont care about your debate im just here to remind you where you actually standidolaters and cattlewe the jews are better than you
>>538513555>private propertyYou can have that under communism as long as its not the means of production>ban religionIt can exist under communism>let the state polcie your opinionsYou do not have to do thatA lot of people seem to have some cartoonism idea of a communist state where its just USSR in the 50's and can not be any other way.
>>538512501>People in communist nations lived worse than peasants.So do people in Capitalists nations. Honestly feudalism was a pretty good deal for the peasants kek.
Capitalism is inherently unstable. It’s a slave system that centralizes all wealth and power.
>>538512423The robber barons never went away anon. They just got a different name and became more numerous
>>538513345>you can say modern wagies are that too, but so what?at least European peasants had real food to eat. our judeo-christian overlords want us dead and replaced by midwit shitskinshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYKh-nIYpxg
>>538512369Sounds like humanity needs a jolt to fight back against them.Some hope maybe.Also the realization one man isn't going to save them.
>>538513704>real goymunism hasnt been tried yet we must treat this loser philosopher as god and be consistent with his ramblingsMarx was kicked out of jewery for being a literal faggot. You worship that idiot. You would die for “ethical consistency” with something an idiot made up. CATTLEANIMALHUMAN BEASTLIVESTOCKGod wrote the torah. That is the law. Your philosophers are invalid. Gods law has always succeeded. Philosophers laws have always failed. We do not have usury among ourselves. We help other jews. That is the great economic hack.
>>538512501>got a job>got an apartment>didn't got 60000000 shitskinsMight be worse than peasants, but still a massive upgrade over what we have currently (nothing, except the shitskins).>"b-but I can't VOOOOOOTE"You can still put as many scribbles in a box as you want in commieland, they just don't pretend it will matter. Exact same result otherwise.
>>538513704Communism doesn't fucking worky especially in multicultural societies.Why the fuck would anybody agree to be a govt slave owed minimum subsistence, AND demographic replacement because racism.The only form of communism thag is proven to economically work is NATIONAL SOCIALISM.>inb4 le master race dogshitEvery land and people should prioritize and govern themselves. I'd be fucking elated if Chinese or Syrian NatSoc movements sprung up.This world is a farce and billionaires need to hang off street lamps
>>538513555>He thinks capitalism allows for states Show me one billionaire without open support for infinity jeets
>>538512369You're an atheist
>>538512837I believe you
>>538513704means of production is whatever the state defines it to be, "comrade". disagree? you go to bauxite mine and your daughter go to party member Yuri's Dascha for house pet.
>>538513132Historically speaking middle classes are barely a real thing that exists. The idea of the middle class as a great big group of people or the dominant group of people dates back to the 1950s and no further. Prior to that, "not a serf but not a lord either" was a very small or nonexistent population.The OP's mainly wrong in thinking that it was "designed," when it was clearly an accident, ironically brought on by socialist policy from FDR and then brought into full bloom by the post-war manufacturing dominance of the USA. We had a beautiful moment in the mid 20th century where we discovered that the key to a happy and prosperous nation's economy is for most of it to be in the hands of people who are neither serfs nor lords. And the lords are trying to make us all forget that or at the very least ruin it forever as quickly as they can.
Most peasants had detached houses, things are getting worse.
>>538513865>>538513917>>538513952Enjoy your Indians, mates. Drown in them in the name of capitalism. Better jeet than red.
>>538514004peasants had livestock and land.We can't afford groceries or 2nd hand cars anymore.
>>538512501Im not a communist but this isnt true
>>538513922>goy cattle says “what about my philosophy”It doesnt fucking existONLY THE TORAH IS LAWNO PHILOSOPHY OR IDEA OTHER THAN THE TORAH IS LAWIT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU CALL IT OR WHAT YOU DEFINE ITMANMADE IDEAS ARE HUBRISTHE TORAH IS LAWRealize this and you’ll realize why we win so much we rule you without even knowing it
>>538514064you have nore muslims and jeets than any western land, faggot, also you aren't communist anymore either.Start another war you can't win.
>>538514064>you must be consistent with the philosophy of capitalism or cede all productivity to the state! if you are not liberty is hypocrisy!You literal fucking talking animalHow are goyim this fucking stupidYou are literal fucking talking animals
>>538513865>the great economic hack
>>538512663Literally part of the American dream is affording a home what a farce
>>538512369>prevent a communist revolutionThe tweeter thinks this is a bad thing btw
>>538512916Capitalism is the rule of capital, or the rule of the profit seeking class
I'd ve nore open to communism if it wasn't coopted by the BLACK LIVES MATTER TRANS RIGHTS SOCIOECONOMIC FACTORS crowd.You niggers are absolutely blind to reality. The wogs WILL kill and rape you as well.
The condition of life for the peasants of the future, the 500 million that they've declared they'll keep around, is completely irrelevant. Because they will be mind controlled with drugs and biotech. It doesn't matter that they'll live in the worst condition imaginable, because they won't even be able to be conscious of it. Future peasants will be nothing but bio-robots for the elite. This is the meaning of "own nothing and be happy", they mean it quite literally.
>>538513345>that is the only way it can be. we got rid of legit slavery and the work needs to be done by someone.Nah, I'm good on that and your so-called "works". I think you should just not be alive actually.
nah its control of technology and the constant loosening and tightening grip on it depending on development. peasantry existed because of the need the most to just do subsistence farming to survive.Explosion of capitalist class that did not come from the old guard noble class during industrial revolution scared the shit out of the old guard and old money types like Rothschilds and they started all kinds of collectivist movements to control business.The internet, 3d printing, drones etc. threaten to further distribute the ability to make and repair useful stuff to just random people which threatens the grip on power. Also the fiat & central banking scam has ran its course and cannot be kept up much longer as exporting inflation via the military has run out of soft targets (Iran not being one of them).Also the noticing continues, it happened 109 times, 110 is not impossible.But the middle class is not some artificial construct, they do want to destroy it though.
>>538512916>capitalism isnt the problem, its unbridled and unmitigated corporate greed that is the problem.>The problem isn't that we're ruled by rootless international Capital solely because they have amassed wealth>The problem is that they're not acting like a representative body deriving its authority from ethnic national interest
"Capitalists played nice because of Communism" is just brown immigrant cope to avoid confronting the fact that Capitalists actually had to play nice when the Labor populace was all swathes of easily-organized co-ethnics and the government was Fascist in all but name, including a big swinging Antitrust dick that it wasn't afraid to fuck with.People with weak wrists will never stop coping and seething over the fact that yes, real Socialism has actually been tried and succeeded, but as differing forms of Fascism/NatSoc every single time.
>>538514552National Socialism was tried only once and it collapsed in ten years. Fascism is a different story.
>>538514631>NS collapsedget in the oven you bignosed faggot
>>538513641>the peasant had kids, a wife, and a communityThey needed those things to survive. You don't. You have it better.
>>538512369Yeah, the post war prosperity was basically a one off, for most of history there was never a large class of middle income earners. It only existed because America was so rich and everyone else was so poor
>>538512369Is incorrect; civilizations do experience a period of golden age, if they are good at gverning ever multiiple period og golden age.The establishment being the main culprit is also true, but they are not alone; a decadent society is decadent because people chase hedonism at every strata of society
>>538512369peasants were less misserable than the current working class but they didn't have internet access in their pockets, so their lives must have been really really really boring
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>>538514817>what's better than having a family and community?>existing purely as an isolated economic unit exploited for maximum profit by some jewtiresome
>>538514631Both systems crashed... they're both unsustainable, pne requires never ending "who is nationalist enough?", and the other requires constant ass kissing the state and cult leaders.
>>538515071When you considee how hard life for peasants was, you really have it better today. You work 8 hours, then go home and have free time, free weekends, paid time off, money for frivolities, healthcare, way higher life expentancy, etc.
>>538513729bro anyone that looks at the modern US and sees "capitalism" is seeing what they want you to seeit's entirely centrally planned and globalized and there's literally no free market because the government is picking winners and losers and printing currency and letting their corporate partners leverage insane levels of debt it's not capitalism, not even kind of
>>538515347Uhhhhh I got some news for you Mr. "I've never read a history book ever".https://historycollection.com/medieval-peasants-worked-fewer-hours-than-modern-americans/
>>538513235Moar
>>538515347>t. lying jew Peasants had homes, land to work, community, family and rest days anon. That’s why the Catholic Church has so many feast days jew
>>538512369that is an incredibly American perspective>Terminology differs in the United States, where the term middle class describes people who in other countries would be described as working classwhereas in reality:>the bourgeoisie are a social class of business owners, merchants and wealthy people, in general, which emerged in the Late Middle Ages, originally as a "middle class" between the peasantry and aristocracy.to state the middle classes emerged -- even in an American context -- in the '50s, is a fucking jokeunbelievably, disgustingly ignorant
>>538512369The joke is that the average person would still live like a peasant even after a communist revolution.
>>538512423Those so-called robber barons were mostly industrialists. They built factories, railroads, industry. These created a ton of surplus value which was often shared with the labor. Not only is this mostly built but most of the would-be industry of today has been shipped off abroad deliberately. Americans aren’t even given the opportunity to become robber barons. Only Chinese and Vietnamese and Indians are.
>he thinks it was because of fear of gommunismHe correctly identifies that the western elite are impoverishing people intentionally, but he just can't help but inject his retarded preferred ideology as the secret reason for it.No motherfucker, they impoverish people because they're malthusians and they can. Capitalism allows them to do it because there's no concept of the nation or transcedence. Materialist belief systems like capitalism and communism are incapable of addressing these problems.You must have an elite that is invested in the well being of a nation.
>>538512369How are we not in the middle of a communist revolution aiming to destroy the middle class right now?
>>538512423Been that way since 80s and 90s with everything being outsourced. Just now feeling effects. Things will get much worse before they get better.
>>538512916yes programmed retardmoney-ism, the philosophy and worship of money, is a huge problem.
You are not entitled to a comfortable life.
>>538515347>no really, existing as a consooomer with no meaningful attachment to other humans is idealno really you can shove your matrix pod and your sexbot up your stinky butthole
>>538512369The term middle class was first used in 1745 in James Bradshaw's pamphlet Scheme to prevent running Irish Wools to France, according to Merriam-Webster>The Oxford English Dictionary cites an earlier known use in 1654 by W. Carlos, while etymological records note its emergence in a British sense in 1766 to describe people socially intermediate between the aristocracy and laboring classes.
>>538512423Robber Barons actually created tangible physical value AND wouldn't tyrannize the normies due to STRONG Christian values acting as one hell of a guardrail. Build the largest rail network for the largest Monopoly but then spend billions building gorgeous libraries in every City of America. Now it's simply looting the government via public private partnerships and corrupt contracts for surveillance FOR YOUR OWN GOOD. Look at COVID. Look at peer reviewed ethical biowarfare to create meat allergies. Whoops
>>538515838Neither are the elite, they'll find out one way or the other since either left wing populism, manifesting as socialism, or right wing populism, manifesting as national socialism in all but name, will win the argument against the US's managed decline.
>>538512916>capitalism isnt the problemit's like saying "putting your penis into whore isn't the problem, AIDS is the problem".And the word "capitalism" itself is purely socialist. The fact that Americans started calling themselves capitalists is like black people starting calling themselves nigga. There was no real meaning or idea behind the word; it was simply the socialists' way of describing the current situation in Europe and what it was leading to. Everything else is just Cold War propaganda.
I hate you, you fucking frustratingly stupid midwits.You deserve to spend all day in a cage, 5 days a week.You deserve to go without healthcare when you need it.You deserve to be kicked out by your landlord because he will raise rent to a level you can't afford.You deserve to also not even be able to afford meat and live on rice and bread, which is coming soon.Saying this is literally the most midwit, simplistic, average IQ, NPC take imaginable, and I have a major problem with that, because as long as the masses keep blaming the wrong cause, the problem is going to keep getting worse. The people making the problem worse face no downsides if people don't blame them.It's the boomers, you absolute retards. Just fucking think. Every democracy with a low birth rate serves boomers. It's about a shift on which demographic decides who wins elections. Do you think Trump would say "I want to keep housing expensive" if young people mattered in elections? You're retarded. Do you think they would keep printing money which makes groceries more expensive while your wage stays the same?Have you tried using logical deduction to trace consequences to their causes, instead of just reacting to whatever stimuli is in front of you at the time? Well who am I kidding, you don't even have any inner thoughts.
The answer is simple. Nationalise all financial corporations. Pay all debt. Hand them back the skeleton.
>>538516162Also. The soviet union had to put up a wall to prevent people from escaping. Any communist country is immensely poorer than even the declining, piece of shit Europe. They were even poorer than Spain and Italy, aka dumps full of stupid people with low IQ from the african genetic %, and poorer than most europoors.Communism doesn't need any campaign against it. If anything the US government is responsible for the myth that capitalism is about war and imperialism, and high housing and healthcare prices from government imposed privileges for big corps and boomers, so they're campaigning against capitalism actually.
>>538516231>government creates problems>the answer is simple, nationalise more, centralise more, give them more power>go back to step 1
>>538514631>National Socialism was tried only once and it collapsed in ten years.I realize it would make important relations with your country more complicated if "Socialism with Chinese characteristics" was discussed more accurately and openly, but come on Ivan, call the spade a spade.
>>538516322Because we can do this with no taxes?The government IS the financial institutions.
>>538515302>they're both unsustainableand the same with american capitalism. The fact that it will exist for a couple of decades longer than the USSR is, in principle, a small difference for historians. The entire modern system as a whole has been around for a very short time and it is no longer possible to seriously talk about its viability.
>>538512369Close. The middle class was a 50 year fluke to defeat the Austrian Painter. Now that the threat is gone, and that generation is old. There is no reason for it.We owe our extravagance to literally Hitler.
>>538516162>>538516284>>538516322>Communism doesnt need any campaign against it>i will now proceed to wage a campaign against communism>in the name of unfettered capitalism
>>538516451Why are you trying to discuss politics when you have no idea how anything works? Anyone reasonable would try to become informed first.Try to fucking read. Find something that you know is worth reading and not from a grifter, doesn't matter the ideology, it's not about being right wing or left wing, but about having solid arguments or not. I deeply respect people who disagree with me but their arguments are reasonable.You literally just seem to think that everything wrong with the economy is due to financial institutions with rule over everything, which is a movie trope.
>>538516525>i will now proceed to wage a campaign against communism? who said that? the US government, which normies perceive as the main proponent of capitalism, is literally campaigning against it
>>538516566>which is a movie tropeManuel, stop.
>>538515347peasants worked until there was no more work to do that day, which was often less than 8 hoursthey also didn't have to commute 3 hours on top of thatyou are seriously deluded if you think they were all slaves working around the clockthat didn't happen until the the industrial revolution and the london stock exchange torturing everyone to maximize profits, a lot like what is happening now
>>538512369TLDR get a job virgin
>>538516525the same people are masters under both stock market hell-capitalism and communism if Anglos weren't such cucks, they would have rejected the former when they were given the chance, instead they decided that they like being slaves if it meant a few fat years for their generation
>>538516641It is though. It's even in Fight Club, which is the epitome of commercial, controlled resistance.It's in many hollywood movies that financial institutions control everything. So normies believe it, because they believe in whatever stimuli is right in front of them.But it's not actually true, because they do everything in the government's and central bank's terms, and do not have the monopoly on violence or the ability to pass or enforce any laws.>>538516728You literally don't even have any inner thoughts you fucking normie.
>>538512369Inflation dude. Stop printing money.
>>538515423>things capitalism leads to isn't real capitalismLolLmaoOh my you're seriousHahahahaha
>>538516979muy bien ahora a fichar por el PSOE
>>538516517The US is a liberal state that allows for free markets... its not "capitalist".
>>538516597>who said thatyou did. your series of posts were all about loosening restraints on industrial capital, a defense of capital-ism etc. >the JewSA government is tarnishing the reputation of capitalismlmao even
>>538516979If you build a house and you allow people to rip the copper out of it for short term profits, the problem isn't really with the house
>>538512369No shit nigger. The US was the global hyperpower for a couple of decades after Europe and Asia destroyed themselves in war. Now you have a fraction of the industrial dominance of the 50s.
>>538512369he's wrong about the middle class but he's right when he says the rich are destroying it. The solution is the murder of rich people until they realize their mistake. I'm talking like really rich people like bezos. In the mean time killing high level bankers is also a good start. As always, killing local politicians and police administration is also a good start. You wont do shit, of course.
>>538517248>after US munitions destroyed European resistance to globohomoismfixed that
>>538517075And what do all these words mean and what's the difference between them? The United States simply inherited Europe's colonial influence, and that's how the empire survived, but that supply is already running out.
>>538517148>you did. your series of posts were all about loosening restraints on industrial capital, a defense of capital-ism etc.what. how stupid are you. my posts are about how people blame the wrong thing for their problems, which leads to never doing any progress on the problemi dont care about restraints on industrial capital, we dont have to have 100% real capitalism, just to at least stop the affordability crisis that most people suffer from, you fucking retard.right now, both your country and mine are pathetic, and not worth being proud of or loving by any stretch of the imagination, because zoomers are going to have it even worse than millenials, and have a VERY hard time being able to afford a home or affording anything on their first jobs, and birth rates are going to plummet. which you probably don't even have a problem with because you're fucking retarded.
>>538512369Middle class existed long before the Cold War
>>538517154Theory of a house vs the "house" in practice. A system is what it does.Capitalism is completely unrestrained and allowed to import masses of foreigners to suppress wages, pump asset values, and dispossess the native population.Materialist concepts like capitalism and communism cannot fix what is ultimately spiritual rot.
>>538517335It was a battle between two versions of globohomo, and ultimately, by the end of the war, they simply merged into one, because it turned out the price of victory was such that power over the rest of the world was simply evaporating, and they had to abruptly unite to retain at least some of it.If the Nazis had won, it's foolish to think the outcome would have been different and that they would have started building a white utopia.
>>538517339The US was founded on a massive anti colonialism stance, it embraced the enlightenment, which was Europeean, but that's about it. And the enlightenment is what gave birth to modern liberalism. Freedom to allow for democracy, free markets, and freedom of religion to thrive. To allow for the demos, the people to form a liberal republic, own land, have a constitution written down, not verbal or controlled by a person or family, and pursue happiness. Capitalism is nothing more than a driving force of a market economy.
>>538517389someone once told you you're clever? your mother perhaps? i understand what you type better than you do
>>538517508I think it's reasonable to say that fascism being the central power in europe would have been capable of resisting the liberal enlightenment urge to import people because populations aren't viewed as blank slates or interchangable economic units.Liberalism, democracy, and capitalism are a perfect storm for flooding your nation with disparate peoples.
>>538512582Yeh except the vast majority of peasants were serfs and not free.
>>538512501Not if you were in the inner circle baby. I find it funny that all of the commies I've personally met are all from well off families and highly 'educated'. Oblivious to their status as useful idiots and think THEY will be in the party's inner circle.
>>538517519The expansion of American influence would have been impossible without the European colonies, over which the United States simply gained control. How it justified this legally and morally is another matter and largely unimportant.Without this influence, everything would have been hundreds of times more complicated; even the dollar would never have been able to become a global currency.
>>538514207Unfortunately, without interest you very often never get paid your money back that you loaned someoneOn the other hand, if you're a zillionaire (always through some connection to whoever literally mints the currency) you really don't ever need the money back anyways so why whine over not getting paid back
The general sentiment of mankind is that a man who will not fight forhimself, when he has the means of doing so, is not worth being fought forby others, and this sentiment is just. For a man who does not value freedom for himself will never value it for others, or put himself to any inconvenience to gain it for others. Such a man, the world says, may lie down until he has sense enough to stand up. It is useless and cruel to put a man on his legs, if the next moment his head is to be brought against a curbstone.A man of that type will never lay the world under any obligation to him, but will be a moral pauper, a drag on the wheels of society, and if he too be identified with a peculiar variety of the race he will entail disgrace upon his race as well as upon himself. The world in which we live is very accommodating to all sorts of people. It will cooperate with them in any measure which they propose; it will help those who earnestly help themselves, and will hinder those who hinder themselves.It is very polite, and never offers its services unasked. Its favors to individuals are measured by an unerring principle in this—viz., respect those who respect themselves, and despise those who despise themselves. It is not within the power of unaided human nature to persevere in pitying a people who are insensible to their own wrongs and indifferent to the attainment of their own rights. The poet was as true to common sense as to poetry when he said........Who would be free, themselves must strike the blow....
>>538517508Nazis were created and funded by Jews to create Israel, dummy.The timeline where Nazis win is exactly the same as the one today except harder and faster.
>>538517508>fascist national governments are globohomo>we would be in same boat if nazis wonyour head is full of jewish rubbish anon. fascist national government protects the interests of the nation. Germany took the lead in rallying a pan-European defense against the Red Menace. the USA stepped in to make sure ascendant Germany would not topple the 3 great empires of the time by its rejection of jewish financial domination and subsequent adoption of successful slavery-escape method by other countries
>>538514247Capitalism originates from the ancient concept of capital, which derives from the word "capit", meaning "head", and which originally referred to the heads of cattle one might ownIn other words, capitalism is about objectifying things into analogous heads of cattle -- so much so that human cattle is called "chattel", for the objectification of human beings as labor and assets themselves
except the middle class has existed for thousands of years?
Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters.This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both. ....The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.....
>>538517995All the fascists remained in power in Europe, and they began importing migrants by the ton. This was true even after the First World War, but back then, the elite was simply more afraid of the population; they could still rebel and weren't opposed to mass murder.Why did the fascists suddenly begin to behave differently? If they had won, the Nazi Reich, after all, already existed largely thanks to the labor of migrants. No, once the threat of communism and the mass murder of the elite had disappeared, all these Nazis and fascists would have quickly begun to bury this ideology in the same way.They would no longer need it, and ultimately, Nazism from the very beginning was simply an ideology for the proles, to distract them from socialism.
>>538517922>nazis were jewsyou had your chance. all you did was make things worse. time to shut the fuck up, tv-brain
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>>538512369Communists, Capitalists, Globalists and Zionists all need to be ejected
>>538517827There's a difference between how the US was built up to a certain time period, and what the founding of the country actually meant and how it happened. The revolution took like 25 some odd years to get to the Boston tea party, it didn't happen overnight, and it was mostly woven into shape by angry people expressing their concerns and dislikes and grievances agaiant the colonialist powers. The founding of the US was the antithesis of colonialism, and sparked a sharp decline in it globally as well, which included the path towards abolishing slavery.
>>538517534Yes I was totally told by my mummy that I am clever! So now I lecture people on 4chan about how capitalism is bad, and privately owned financial institutions, such as the federal reserve and the european central bank, rule the whole world and decided to make us all poor and take away what we had in the 70s, in order to extract more from us.Except that's you.
>>538518031how does it feel when you're lying in bed at night, or staring at the sky, deep in thought, and all of your thoughts are stupid because you're a fucking midwit?
>>538512501/threadthe peasants realized they had been fucked, so they revolted, then the red terror started
>>538518278You're talking about the 17th century, I'm talking about the end of the 19th and 20th.
>>538518350congrats youve made a post i have no argument against
>>538518537other than >the 70sthat is a little weird
>>538512369>Now that communism has been defeated let's force everyone back into the material conditions that made the rise of communism possible in the first place.I foresee nothing going wrong with this.
>>538518410>t. Kys jeet
>>538518537>>538518640You're fucking retarded
>>538516877>do not have the monopoly on violence or the ability to pass or enforce any laws.Lol. Lobbiests and bribes just don't exist I guess. Lmfao. Go get a fucking job dude.
>>538512683>THE AMERICAN DREAM WAS ALWAYS A LIE TO SELL MORE DEBT VIA MORTGAGEAs long as it was affordable debt IDC, but predatory lending is the problem
>>538517075The USA doesn't have a free market. Who the fuck told you that? Nothing here is a free market at all.
>>538519198Just because you aren't at the top doesn't mean it's not free anon. >>538518418What?
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>>538517519>The US was founded on a massive anti colonialism stanceThe colonists where anti colonialism? Whoa. Someone should tell them. Also make sure to remind them that Manifest Destiny isn't a thing colonialists would do.
>>538515967This is the dumbest post I have read on this shithole in some time congratulations retard
>>538512501they always point the finger back at big bad communism instead of the fact that you're living in poverty lolthey have you by the balls in shame to save your face.
>>538515769>(((shared with the labor)))any they didn't even have to lube you up!
>>538519360>Manifest Destiny>coined 1845That is not the same as angry people in 1770 or whatever telling the colonial powers to fuck off.
>>538512369Embrace Weimar 2.0! It is the source of (((our))) strength!
>>538519258It isn't free. By definition it isn't. The government picking who can and cannot get a business loan is evidence. The government using tax payer dollars to bail out GM means it isn't. I'm sorry you don't know what a "free market" is, but maybe you should read up on things before you make blanket statements. >you only say it's not a free market because you're not at the topNo, I say it isn't a free market because the government picks winners and losers and is lobbied to high hell. You're an actual retard.
>>538512837What are we waiting for? Every year my costs rise more than my wages. I keep a calculator in a spreadsheet to estimate how long until I need to share my room with someone else. Cage housing is coming to the US at this rate all while boomers called us entitled the whole time when they lived like kings.
>>538512369wait til you learn about germany in the 1920s and 30s.wait til you learn about bongistan in 1980.wait til you learn about the west in the 2020s
>>538512369>historically illiterateThe middle class has long been a feature of England, Germany, the Netherlands, France, Italy and Scandinavia.It has grown substantially in recent times, but it was sizeable and influential going back over 500 years. Protestantism gained a foothold largely among the middle class who would read the Bible for themselves and subsequently conclude that the Catholics had been telling some porkies. Groups like the Huguenots were all middle class French men and women, literate, productive and modestly affluent. Likewise many among the other Germanic nations were the same, and Protestantism was common among them not only due to their literacy, but also their inherent anti-authoritarian bent that came from being self-employed (which is the historic marker of the middle class; they were the artisans, the shop keepers and the free townsmen who were not endebted a noble).So no, its not a 50 year fluke. The middle class has been influential for well over 500 years, and was pivotal in changing the shape of Europe during the Reformation. It has grown drastically in the last 200 years, and particularly the last 80 in the USA; but it has been present and influential for far longer.
>>538519548>people in the colonies didn't exist in 1845>british colonists didn't spread out across the land owned by Britain and displace the Native Americans>british colonists immediately threatened independence and didn't try any sort of talking to the crownSo you're dumb and don't know history. Really bad combo.
>>538519622It is as much of a free market as you'll get, you're just being a picky retard about it.
>>538519146>Go get a fucking job dude.>normie senses that someone may not be a properly programmed NPC>directs him to get in a cage as soon as possiblekek>Lobbiests and bribes just don't exist I guessThis will probably have too many logical steps for you to graps, but, if financial institutions derive any real power from bribing the government, then the same government that takes those bribes, would still sell themselves out, or otherwise abuse their power and directly take people's money, without them.So yes, those institutions themselves are nothing compared to the people who actually pass laws that they can enforce and have the monopoly on violence, it is literally a movie trope that financial institutions are all powerful and represent "the system" or something.The real problem is your dad or uncle who has a 401k and rental properties and will be happy and vote for Trump again if they rise in value. The government serves them now that there's less young people voting.
>>538519773Do you even know your countries fucking history? The USA was founded in 1776, the British and French colonialist ties were long gone by 1845. It was US citizens and immigrants who later colonized the rest of the continent. It doesn't mean that the movement and founding of the US was a massive anti colonialism movement for its time. When the US was founded westward expansion was actually frowned upon.
>>538519323ok sorry, here's a proper argumentyou're a fucking retard because i said that as a deliberately stupid parody and you unironically think it makes sense
>>538512501>People in communist nations lived worse than peasants.
>>538512369Which one it is, a fluke or something designed?
>>538519950forgot to mention that money is from a wagie who just had to give him half of his money as rent deposit that he won't pay back
>>538519803>I'm using the term wrong and am wrong, but you're picky!That's your argument? You admit to it not being a free market and then call me picky for pointing out it's not a free market? You have to be one of the stupidest people I've ever encountered. >Ok so it's not a free market>but it's the closest thing you'll get!No, the closest thing I'll get to a free market is a free market. America isn't a free market. Let's ignore the various goverment agencies like the FDA that prevent it from being a free market. It's more akin to a banana republic with an attempt at a centralized economy. It's not "free" at all. The only way one would think it's a "free market" is if one doesn't know what they fuck they're talking about. Case in point: you, you utter dipshit.
Americans have always been richer than Europoors. This isn't some "fifty year fluke", some mirage of the Cold War.Why the fuck do you think all those Europeans immigrants came here in the 19th century you retarded commie faggots?
>>538512369look chud, rich people need the money and luxury more than we do. they deserve it because they are smart and worked hard to be rich unlike you. you need to stop fighting and surrender to the system
>>538519905Are you trying to tell me that people didn't live in both 76 and 45 and couldn't have been colonists and then citizens? Are you telling me that the different European colonies were all not colonies by the time the war for independence was over?
>>538513961The concept of the middle class absolutely existed before the 1950's. What are you talking about?
>>538519803We've had exponentially more free Markets than today, in fact we are sitting at the end of a 200 year straight down slide into less free markets, so functionally any period on that line will represent a more free market than today, though obviously the power of the government waxed or waned in small periods on its journey ever hellward.
>>538513961Yeomen were middle class you retard, and they alone, not including any other middle class positions, were 10-20% of the entire population of Britain for hundreds and hundreds of years.
>>538520539>>538520779It seems this entire thread is people talking about things that they once heard through conjecture and heresy and never looked any deeper. Thank you for knowing something and speaking up. I am not being sarcastic, thank you.
>>538520175The revolution was an anti colonialist movement. It doesn't matter what those people's background were they instantly became citizens of the USA and not a subject to some foreign land. That's how it works.
>>538512501Missing the point completely.
>>538520539You're dragging semantics into the fact that the US has a free market economy. It has laws agaisnt monopoly and government protections, but that's a natural progression towards making free markers more fair. What are you seriously expecting? That people cab just go around murdering each other, forming gangs and controlling bridges and roads for tolls and shit?
>>538520980The revolution wasn't an anti-colonist movement. It was "no taxation without representation" movement. Had the crown given their colonies a voice and representation in government and/or rescinded the taxes that they levied, then the colonies wouldn't have declared independence. In fact many of the colonists still wanted to remain part of the Crown and hoped that the Crown would listen and allow representation. You know nothing and it shows.
>>538521093>you using the correct definition of words is making me be wrong, so stop thatYou can just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. >it's a free market except for all those things that make it definitionally not a free market. Also, a government preventing murder doesn't fall under "not a free market". That falls under "preventing lawlessness". You should learn what words mean before you use them.
>>538521381>>538521190You need to be over 18 to post here.
>>538518031Basically all evils of society are deeply rooted and originate from the beginning of enslaving animals. First, the animal was enslaved and slaughtered - which made it so much easier to enslave and slaughter the human.All must be destroyed, for a better society to be built.
>>538521481Take your own advice. You sound like you just walked out of junior econ101 thinking you're hot shit. I accept your concession. Read a fucking book.
>>538519917>stating the opponent's rational position and calling it "dumb" is an argumentngmi
>>538520220>The idea of the middle class as a great big group of people or the dominant group of people dates back to the 1950s>>538520779>The idea of the middle class as a great big group of people or the dominant group of people dates back to the 1950s>as a great big group of people or the dominant group of peopleIn the 50s the "middle class" made up the majority of the country, somewhere between 60% and 70%. Not at all like>10-20%It was a historical oddity and it is being shunted back into the annals of history at full force, despite being a huge success for the USA as a whole; even for the rich people.
>>538512369>the "american dream" always sounded like creepy propagandaIf the idea of owning a house and having 2-3 kids with your wife is creepy you should get therapy.
>>538522066Or exiled. Either or.
>>538522143I guess it depends on how you define the various classes.
>>538512369The Communists didn't go away, but are now telling young people not to marry and live out hedonism. This is the reason why the wealth generation engine doesn't work anymore. It requires people to be married.
>>538522143>$150,000 or greateryou do realize this upper portion is highly skewed, yes? most of the wealth is in the extremely wealthy and not in the low 6 figure range. it is purposely misleading.
>>538522328Consider that boomers with houses are now the majority citizen population
>>538512570>Same thing with immigration. While there was a communist revolution threat, they were cautious with it. But after the fall of USSR they went all out. You are not being betrayed by anyone, you are just witnessing the real face of capitalism without its mask on.Fucking this
>>538512501Why is /pol/ straight up communist now? Look at all the seething posts.
>>538522524jews are paying pajeets to astroturf.
>>538522339The economy has made it so women must work to make ends meet and rebranded it as "being independent". The point of marriage used to be to have someone deal with cooking cleaning and laundry, now not only do you keep the stress of having chores to do after being away for 11 hours a day (counting commuting and lunch break), you also have the stress of dealing with a bitch that wants to be pampered while she hovers her finger over the divorce button.Inflation has destroyed marriage, not the other way around.>live out hedonismThis is just a cope people do when they can't have real satisfaction. Like people going on vacation more often because they can't afford a home so they use their savings in other ways
>>538512369very minor nitpickthe middle class has always existed; urban shopkeepers that owned their own shop, local clerics, travelling merchants were all middle class even in the medieval period.the fluke was making most people middle class in the 50s-90s, not that the middle class existed at all. otherwise its 100% accuratehad FDR not won in 1932, we almost certainly would've seen a worker's revolution in the US
>>538515769>These createdfactories don't produce value. the workers in the factories produce value, which the owner steals and then gives back a tiny fraction of a percent, if he's feeling generousit took until 1938 for it to be illegal to not pay workers with real money
>>538512916>its not capitalism>its just capitalism!any system that can successfully restrain "corporate greed" can't be called capitalist anymore since the capitalist class is no longer in control politically
>>538524292Capitalism is a description for an economic system, not a political one.
>>538513206Let it rot.
the threat is greater than evercommunism will winAND YOU WILL OWN THE HOME
>>538524684>we promise youll get to keep your stuff this time!
>>538512369>That.. actually makes a lot of sense.The middle class existed because the WWII generation wanted to build a great country for their children. When the boomers got political power it continued because the boomers had the numbers and the political pull to get their way so they pushed policies that gave them good jobs. The middle class also died because of the boomers, when they took over managerial and political positions of authority and aged out of the entry level jobs that made them rich they started to push policies that would make them richer at the expense of their children and grand children and they did this for decades on end.
>>538512916>capitalism isnt the problem, its unbridled and unmitigated corporate greed that is the problemYou just described capitalism.
>>538524149Worth remembering that in Europe the middle class all became fascists while most of the working class followed jews and became communist. In Italy it all began with football, with the fascist middle class finally organising after getting sick of the crime of the communists and anarchists. The were two teams in Milan, Inter and AC, one was the working class and one was the middle class team. It all began with the middle class uniting and asserting themselves.
>>538522524>Why is /pol/ straight up communist now? Look at all the seething posts.Wake up and look around you, we are being replaced in our own nations, foreigners are imported in enormous numbers to keep our wages down while prices on everything rise. Young college grads can't get a good job. People aren't starting families. I'm not a Communist it isn't even about Communism but what we have isn't working.
>>538512369with communism denouncing the opression of the workers class, america had no choice but to treat their workers good.with communism gone, there no longer a reason to keep treating them good.simple as
>>538515772based, it's almost like you need a third position
>>538512369Reminder that communists are pretending communism is dead right when it's about to take over. The E.U. was always communism in waiting. In fact their final plan is to bring in communism but leave out the communist name since it's too tarnished. The great reset is the name.
>>538525681>Reminder that communists are pretending communism is dead right when it's about to take over. The E.U. was always communism in waiting. In fact their final plan is to bring in communism but leave out the communist name since it's too tarnished. The great reset is the name.You realize this is paranoia? Communism is a dead force that has zero power in the West. Meanwhile the wealthy and corporations inject billions of dollars into every national election.
>>538512681Any one individual can do that but he won't get any support except for likes on facebook. Unironically the food needs to get more expensive and the entire under 50 demographic needs to not only have nothing to lose but no comforts to turn to. Thankfully they build datacenters faster than powerplants.
>>538525831Gaslighting doesn't work on me commie.
>>538522524It's just a way to subvert people pissed off about billionaires and multinationals that need breaking up.They should be asking for govermment intervention to crush trillionaires and breaking up monopolies and raising elote taxes back to 90% to create a better capitalism by creating high wage job competition through governmental work, but instead they chase the "communism" angle.
>>538526269ok lol
>>538522524I don't believe in it I just know they fear it. One should embrace hegelian dialectic to arrive at the future he wants by threatening the power structure with the future that they fear. It shouldn't be hard to compete with standard of living of communist countries but we continue to fall behind. The dsa and their proponents are useful idiots, so why not use them? At the very least we could make an environment where everyone vies for the approval of proles, more than just propaganda but actual opportunities. The political landscape could be frozen if at the expense of efficiency, if Trump's only concern is enriching himself while the country falls a multiparty gridlock hardly sounds like a down grade.
>>538522524The only reason capitalism has been a success in the last 50 years is that kike billionaires needed to dangle a carrot in the goyim's eyes, now the carrot is being pulled back and we're back to feudalism.Communism is also shit because it's built on lies.
>>538512681https://youtu.be/_y_SFfDmZEs&t=4290It's easier than it looks
>>538513123The whole point of capitalism over communism is that it is at least theoretically possible to be rich without being a member of the ruling communist party.
>>538512663T A B L EABLE
>>538514817Back then it was actually profitable to have children, you could have them work the field. Right now it's like a 30 year long investment because child labour is illegal and any well paid work requires high intelligence or at the very least connections
