>Excommunicates hundreds of thousands of faithful adherents to Christ because they didn't follow the rules for appointing a bishop or something>Does not excommunicate "Catholic" politicians like Biden or Pelosi who upheld abortion laws responsible for killing millions upon millions of innocent babiesCan any "tradcath bros" please explain this one to me?
Wow, I expected no response but really? Not a single word about this, Cathocucks?
>>538515929As an atheist I can say this with certain effect. It's their house and their rules.
>>538515929I don't regard him as a true pope. He's advocates the Novus ordo mass, and thus is an anathema
IIRC, the SSPX says a revised Roman mass, and thus are also an anthema.The valid Roman Rite came out in 1545, and a curse was put on any who change so much as one word of the rite.
The only people who object to the Roman Rite are the Jews. Anyone who changes the roman rite does so because they work for the Synagogue of Satan
The novus ordo does not preach the faith, and their followers largely don't follow the faith.
Popes are infallible and indefectible when speaking from the chair on faith and morals. The council of Trent was from the Chair. The faith of the Council of Trent is different from the faith today. The faith changed under Gregory XVI, Pius XII and every pope after Pius XII. So, which is it? If Trent is wrong, then the Church today is invalid.
>>538515727You're not even wrong, what's to discuss?Most excommunications, like the one you wanted for Pelosi, are the result of a complaint and a Canonical Trial. If you're a Catholic and think you have standing, make a complaint.SSXP knows, because it's well-known for centuries, that consecrating bishops without a written explicit delegation of authority from the Pope is one of the few things that results in *automatic excommunicatiion*, no trial, straight to jail, since ONLY THE POPE has authority to consecrate bishops, he just gives authorizations for others to exercise his authority.SSPX did it in the 1980s, the rebel bishops were excommunicated, got slapped in the hand, told since then to not do it again, told again last month, and then they did it, and livestreamed it.So now the whoie congregation worldwide was excommunicated. >F A>F O
>>538515727The Catholic Church is a shell of its former self. They don't even teach that you need Jesus for salvation anymore, that was too offensive to the jews. Basically, any serious "tradcath" is going to be a Sedevacantist who does not recognize modern Vatican authority as legitimate.
>>538519935>a shellmore like a fucking joke
>>538519842Anyone who changed the Roman Rite that came right after the council of Trent is an Anthema. An anathema is excommunicated+cursed by God+shunned by the faithful.Lefebvre was correct: there was no pope to authorize ordinations of new bishops so he could, because the seat was vacant, make new bishops. Lefebvre mistake: When Lefebvre found out that the governments recognizes the Novus Ordo as owning the deeds to the Church buildings, he went full coward and claimed that there was a true pope. Well, that admission was like saying that his SSPX ordinations were invalid. The Pope is not of the faith but he is ruler of the Vatican City state. Lefebvre's ordinations were valid. The SSPV was right to split off when Lefebrve abandoned the faith for access to church property. I'd rather have the real faith in a barn that an false faith in a Cathedral.
>>538515727They can just retcon the religion any time, it's not like this needs to be some permanent thing either. That's the whole shtick, all the pope has to do is say it's on skibidi and he's infallible, it's an easy fix.
>>538520275This 100%The only people supporting their excommunication are shabbos boomers
>>538520275Sedevacantistas should put their money where their mouth is and schism properly. Otherwise, St. Peter's chair is in Rome and Leo is the current holder.
>>538519935exactly, The faith does not change. And the word "catholic" is an adjative, not a proper noun. the catholic orthodox Christian Church. The Lord didn't make 2000 different faiths to choose from. One faith, One Church, One God.
>>538520398>Picrel Where did you get this literal definition of me?
We haven't had a good pope since Pius XII. Reminder we could've had Cardinal Sarah.
>>538520339>They can just retcon the religion any time, it's not like this needs to be some permanent thing either.That sin was being done in the 1500's and why the made the Roman Rite unchangable and all the other rites had to be 300 years old at the time of Trent. They can't change the mass and there is no reason to do so. If a pope denies the faith, he's not Christian and cannot be a pope. No heretics allowed. This was all done over 500 years ago, when the jews sent their protestant golems to attack the one true Christian church.
Whatever you do don't look up who runs the Vatican's private bank
>>538520397Non sequitur. Doesn't even followThere's the SSPV, and the ones under Sanborn. That guy in Rome, you really think that the Lord said to help pagans burn churches, rape women, murder people, make you slaves and force your to convert to paganism?Leo and every other "Pope" after Vatican II preach a false gospel that was warned against in the Bible. So, your "otherwise" is just a cope to not give up that which is more precious to you than God
>>538515727>Can any "tradcath bros" please explain this one to me?TradCaths don't worship the Church; they worship God, and they don't care about jestering on 4chan.
check the pope's side profile, he's a jewish subversive
>>538520531Pius XII had a known freemason change the mass. In WW 2, the Italian government outlawed the freemaons and made their names public. Bugnini as on the list. He changed the mass, "just the music", he said. Bugnini called it his masterstroke, and that was how he was able to murder the true Roman mass and make a joke out of the rite in the Novus Ordo Church. Pius XII preached a new gospel, and did this by injecting Mary worship as a co-Redeemer. Again, warned against in the Bible. The Church corruption began in 1931 and was completed in 1964
>>538519452Very interesting. Thank you brother
>>538515727>faithful adherents to ChristHave the SSPX chuds called for global communism? If not, I suspect they aren't very faithful.
>>538515727The Catholic Church excommunicates Bishops.Bishops have to follow John-Paul II "Vatican 2".One of the big rule to follow in Vatican 2 is that the sermons can be spelled in any languages, not only in ancient Latin, ancient Hebrew or Greek.Those heretic Bishops want to spell the sermons in ancient Latin only.John-Paul II wanted to make the voice of the Catholic understandable by everyone : Good for proselytism.Those heretic Bishop want to make the voice of the Catholic church not to be understandable by the common people : Ancient Latin is for scholars, bad for proselytism.
>>538521098>and the lord said take thy guns and murder the rich, loot them, give half to the poor and keep the rest for themselves. This anon is a Jew. He lies about the faith and will lead your soul to hell.
>>538515727I think deriving your religion from the ideas of humans is a bad idea
>>538520801This picture proves how retarded christkikes are
A real pope would never kiss a literally damned by God Pagan Koran.
>>538521098
>>538515929bait thread
A real pope would say putting a pagan idol on the alter of Saint Peter has desecrated the alter. This is the kind of non-faith that our Novus Ordo brothers and sisters follow.
>>538521104>ancient Latin, ancient Hebrew or Greek.Hi fren. Where are you from? Are you enjoying your stay in Europe or are you using a VPN?
>>538521380This really. There's dozens of Popes who spoke out against all species of Marxism. But all that goes out the window with the Novus Ordo and they follow a new faith where Marxism is acceptable. Francis LITERALLY accepted it.
>>538521372>damned by God Pagan Koran.Oh the irony :)>Revealed God's books are not all damned by definition.Also :>First Council of Nicaea
>>538520801>conveniently forgets the Bible explicitly states the Father knows more than the Son
>>538521693>smug ass pagan. Not an argumentGod has no need to lie. Allah does.
>>538521759The trinity is Christian 101 levelYou aren't even familiar with the most basic beliefs of the faith. You're obviously not Christian and just some pagan or jew detractor derailing the thread.
>>538521570>Jesus spoke Latin with the plebeians.>Latin : The language of the Roman enemy by then.Lel.
>>538521958He's right though. Kenosis doesn't even fix the plot hole of the holy spirit not knowing when the son returns.
>>538521759https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xP_QbpJ0PX4
>>5385219671) Romans were not the enemy, that's in the Bible. Pilate found no fault with The Lord. It was the Talmudist (not Judeans) who wanted the Lord murdered. 2) Saint Peter established the Church in Rome, and was martyred by Roman pagans there. The Church started to communicate in Latin because Latin was spoken all over the Roman Empire. They didn't have to translate everything in every dialect and language under Rome, and there were no chances of an error in translationYou prots are so damned stupid. Literally damned stupid. You have all kinds of idiot reasons to reject the faith for your social and business clubs that Christ preached against.
>>538522102don't give a shit about the prattle of demons. Epistle of Saint Jude and all that. You're not worth talking to.
>>538519322then you're not a catholic, adherence to the pope is the only criteria for being catholic, go be a proddy somewhere else
>>538515727Biden was excommunicated.
>>538521805>God has no need to lie.God promised the Heaven for his beloved creation, but failed miserably : That is a big lie.>>5385219584 Gods ?>>538522278>Romans were not the enemy, that's in the Bible.Imagine a foreign military country ruling every aspect of the life of your small country, levying taxes for a Tyrant in a city far away, building arches, temples for their multiple Gods and orgies.I would be a little upset for the least.
>>538515727Its over.The Pope now:1st - Advocates for mass migration of niggers to Civilization2nd - Swallows Global Climate Faggotry in Full3rd - Excomunicates the Heart of the Church the Traditionalists who celebrate Latin Mass.I dont know what to do anymore anons, im catholic through and through, but this peruvian asshole is literally cheering for: Genociding us, Destroying our economy and Satanicing with coveted kikery our Glorious Church. The INQUISITION must RETURN.
>>538523018This exactly what the vision of Loe XIII described >One of the most important events in the last 500 years is known as the Vision of Pope Leo XIII.>There are many accounts that Pope Leo XIII had avision in which he heard God and Satan conversing. The gist of the conversation was that Satan told God he could destroy the Church, at which the Lord told him to go ahead. Satan replied that he needed more time and more power.>The Lord asked how much time and how much power. Satan answered that he needed 100 years and greater powerover the people of the earth.>According to one account, God gave Satan the time and the power. This took place on October 13, 1884.https://www.catholic365.com/article/11001/the-vision-of-pope-leo-xiii.html
>>538519322The Novus Ordo is a legitimate, albeit not ideal, form of celebrating the Mass. The Traditional Latin Mass is always preferable.
>>538523018>who celebrate Latin Mass.Dead language for a doomed legacy, JP2 knew it would be the end of the Catholics.If you want your church to prosper, you have to be eared by everyone, not only the 1st zealots, or your religion would die.
>>538523245https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-PIkdMyFHPk
>>538523018What stance do you think the pope should take on the migration issue, that would be in line with Church doctrines?
>>538523018>I'm catholic through and throughMaybe avoid saying n*gger then.>I don't know what to do anymoreAttend the Traditiona Latin Mass (avoid exclusively attending SSPX to avoid excommunication, and receive the Sacrament of Confession elswhere), read the Bible, read the saints, and PRAY. Leave this crisis up to God, not up to yourself.
>>538523488That's a pretty fair statement, I guess quite close from what a follower of Jesus would've said.I appreciate that.
>>538523764God bless you.
>>538515727This kind of hypocrisy while constantly telling us to take in more brown invaders is part of the reason why I left the church.>t. former cradle Catholic
>>538523902Do not let man made confusion lead you away from God.
>>538515727They picked their own "bishops" without consenting the Pope and Cardinals. There is a name for that shit. Episcopalian.
>>538520971well fugg what was the last good pope then
>>538524181I appreciate what you're trying to do, but it's just not for me anymore.
>>538515727>Can any "tradcath bros" please explain this one to me?and also how the VICAR OF CHRIST was born in CHICAGO?
>>538519322>>538522570There's always the Orthodoxy if you want to contest his power over the Church but still remain in communion. No need to go full retard.
>>538515727Your pope's a faggot, the Vatican is making moves to accept LGBT and elect a female pope. They are intentionally destroying their own church, because they have always been agents of Satan. It's gonna take some time but the zoomer traditionalists will eventually be bigger.
>>538524439Are you the guy who lost wife and kids and coped by watching anime?
>>538524511Where does he have to come from then ? Galilee ?
>>538515727SSPX knew what would happen if they consecrated bishops, I don't know why people are surprised.
>>538515929Christcucks are the lowest form of nigger scum. They were retarded violent niggers in the ancient world, and now they’re just retarded, dysgenic niggers.
>>538515727Because if he did, governments would go after himAnd most governments are irreligious anyway
>>538523488So export the problem to a judaized platonic form (do nothing/rely on magic), and stop calling niggers what they are — niggers.
>>538523449He could just not comment on it. The church doctrine is simply that countries have a right to sovereign rule over their borders with justice and compassion. Vague enough that the Pope should not ever comment on migration.
>>538519377I think this is the problem of the SSPX; they make a claim toward orthodoxy only to make the same mistake as the Vatican II they protest. It's the same fault of every prottie denomination who protests indulgences only to monetize their churches themselves.
>>538523018It’s time for you to cope by affirming that the pope is a crypto-Freemason.
>>538515929Antisemite.
>>538524720Uncalled for.
>>538515727As a Catholic I don't have an excuse for this. It's ridiculous bullshit. But, the Pope is human. He's not infallible "except in matters of faith and morals" which is an incredibly dubious and poorly defined term anyways. I certainly think it's absolutely possible for him to be wrong and for me to still acknowledge him as the Pope. After all, prior Popes also did wrong sometimes too. Like how they wrongfully persecuted the Knights Templar.Also, the reason they were excommunicated was due to them consecrating bishops without papal permission, not because they were trad.
>>538520680>Giuseppe Petrocchi, former Archbishop of L'Aquila – President>Luis Antonio Tagle, Pro-Prefect for the Section of Evangelization of Dicastery for Evangelization>Konrad Krajewski, Papal Almoner>Emil Paul Tscherrig, former nuncio to Italy and San Marino 2024>Ángel Fernández Artime, S.D.B., Pro-Prefect of the Dicastery for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic LifeWhat's wrong with these dudes?
>>538525005>and stop calling niggers what they are - niggers I think you mean human beings created in the image of God
This is why Roman Catholic system doesn't work, Orthodox system is actually representative of how church operated in the past.Complete infallibility and full temporal and spiritual supreme jurisdiction of pope are malignant innovations.
>>538519322>I don't regard him as a true pope.>He's advocates the Novus ordo mass, and thus is an anathemahe isn't a true pope because he accepts the vatican II council is gravely heretical (eg dogmatic constitution says muslims worship the same God as catholics, who will come to judge the earth)... the rest is just additional stuff. Also beyond the new mass, the new rite of ordination is invalid (for the same reason the anglican one was pronounced invalid)... these "popes" aren't even priests
>>538519819Pope being fully infallible and indefectible ex cathedra is an innovation.Orthodox model is correct.
>>538520801They worship neither, but rather aesthetic
>>538525761You have to support your claim with receipts for the Catholics here. All this popery started after the schism with the Orthodox. Infallibility starting in 1880s.
>>538525988They don't understand that even their idea of a charisms is literal magical pagan thinking. Moreover current Catholic doctrine of development of faith and straight up making new faith is no longer distinguishable, an average Catholic does not give a damn about church fathers except for Augustine.
Christianity sucks ass.In my religion I can fuck women in their skulls or their assholes (the hole they shit and fart out of) and it's no big deal.I like sex.Plus in my religion, we don't race mix.Christianity SUCKS, GET RID OF IT
>>538515727Roman Catholocism is pure hypocrisy and blasphemy.>call a man Holy Father>pray and worship other gods disguised as "Mary" and "saints">Church belongs to Peter instead of Jesus>empty works aka the sacraments>made void Gods lawif you are a true believer in Jesus Christ you have to come out of Babylon the great harlot church and her daughters, orthodoxy and protestantism.Jesus Christ is enough, he wont ask you about what denomination you are in.
>>538524734do you seriously think the VICAR OF CHRIST would be a GOYSOX fan?
>>538520398but the EO believes in another gospel and thus strays from Jesus Christ.
>>538526662What another gospel
>>538525761orthodoxy is roman catholocism light with all it blasphemous teachings.
>>5385268161. Jesus Christ sacrifice on the cross was not enough for your justification, you have to add works to it by yourself.2. you can become like God.
>>538526844What are you talking about in particular based on what councils, what dogmas, which apostles? You need to be specific.
>>5385268163. prayers to saints and "iconography".
>were just going to completely ignore the structure of the church>ok, if thats the case then you are no longer a part of that structure >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOW COULD THE POPE DO THIS? REEEEEEEE!!!!!are you actually retarded? like.. i literally cannot fathom how you could have been unable to think through something as simple as this and actually got as far as making a thread about it before figuring it out
>>538526925look at this picture >>538520801the last point, making icons, or better known in the scripture idols, is allowed according to orthodoxy.the church.the orthodox church basically took with them all the false teachings and traditions of men before the great schism.
>>538526919The theology of justification, entirely, is Catholic innovation as it stands and is elaborated upon usually in the west. It literally does not exist at the start of the church. Similarly works and faith dichotomy is entirely, fully one hundred percent fake and doesn't exist in the first centuries. Your entire dogma is regurgitation of regurgitation of catholic Aristotelian innovation. Christ in himself in his sacrifice fully redeemed human nature by becoming the second Adam and perfectly representing the icon of the father as humanity was meant to be icon of God in time. Without Christ's life and sacrifice it is impossible to restore human nature because he is the prototype and the proof in time of human nature as God intended it because he is personally the second person of the Godhead, the logos.Humans are intended and fully meant by God to become like God in time, you can not gain Gods essence because it is by default uncreated but human nature is capable by the grace of God alone to infinitely grow closer and closer to God in time which is the closest thing to God other than himself.Humans becoming like God by the grace and sacrifice of Christ is literally the only purpose of Christianity.
>>538527297>It literally does not exist at the start of the church.the Epistles of Paul did not exist? weird.>Humans are intended and fully meant by God to become like God in timeyou will never be like God, the gospel makes that clear.we are conformed to the IMAGE of Christ, and not by ourselves but by God working in us through the Holy Spirit.redeemed humans are transformed back to what they were intended to be, to be an image of God, not to be God.we are waiting for the resurrection and a body of glory in a spiritual body. but that doesnt make us equal with God. Jesus said we will be like the angels.
>>538515727>Can any "tradcath bros" please explain this one to me?nobody takes americans seriously. i shit you not
>>538527640Are you an Arian? The only way you think what you said is different than what I said is if either you don't understand difference between in time/in creation versus outside of time/uncreated or if you think that Christ is not fully God.
>>538527122>the last point, making icons, or better known in the scripture idolsthe bible doesn't say that. it speaks about OTHER gods
>>538520397Because they'd be dime a dozen high church Protestants like the Anglicans if they didn't have their "we're da real Catholics" shit. They would be nothing without the mystique of Catholicism.
>>538527758Jesus Christ is God in the flesh, meaning fully God and fully human.we as humans are born of humans, we will never be like Jesus because Jesus was the direct Son of God being born without human conception.>>538527902my man, I have seen enough of Mary statues that the slippery slope from mere icons to idolatry is not that far off.
>>538515727Nothing the Church does or says matters anymore after Vatican II, they basically out right said that there is more than one path to God even outside the Catholic Church, therefore their authority is nonexistent and they are now irrelevant.
>>538525116So what has he said explicitly that is not just reaffirming that teaching? Iirc he said migrants should stay and fix their homelands also
>>538527708Your pope is American, idiot.
>>538515727HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!!
>>538528219You're still hanging around, I see. What do you get out of this? What is the point? How will you react when you face God's judgement?
>>538527984brehimagine if you will that you want your father to do x but you BELIEVE he is busy doing other more important shit. what do you do? you go to your mother so that she can intercede for you. that's itit's weird a lot of you don't realize this. did you not talk with your parents or something?>>538528095yeah, he knows the americans better than meyou know you're supposed to refute what i said, right?
>>538528219
>>538528219>>538528308Also, Jesus never existed is a fringe viewpoint not backed up by reliable sources.
>>538527984You didn't say anything different from me. Reality is iconographic in a sense that all of reality is actively being upheld by logos from the Logoi. Christ being personally the eternal word of God made literal human flesh, two natures indivisible, one eternal divine person is already the perfect icon of the father and he proved it by his life and sacrifice. Christ in flesh is exactly the answer to the question of "what would God look like/act like within the creation itself", and humans are made in the icon of Christ. Theosis is the ability of human nature to infinitely grow closer to the icon of God, Christ, as it was intended upon creation, and this salvation and mending of the fallen nature is possibly only by Christ's perfect victory over death alone.We await resurrection in the glorified transfigured bodies like Christ demonstrated upon transfiguration, and afterwards by grace of God through Christ in the spirit we will subsist in eternal communion growing closer to God but never becoming God because it is an infinite fountain with an infinite gap.Humans will eventually by the grace of God be above angels, it is dogmatic to understand that humans are the greatest creation that God wants the most.
>>538521098That scripture, from the book of Acts, was about believers in Christ making a *choice* to share their resources, out of kindness, to advance God's kingdom. That's not communism.
>>538528317>imagine if you will that you want your father to do x but you BELIEVE he is busy doing other more important shit. what do you do? you go to your mother so that she can intercede for you.the fuck is this anology.Jesus Christ the man is in heaven right now mediating for you before God the Father.there is no Mother that intercedes for your behalf, this is blasphemy that circumvents Jesus.>did you not talk with your parents or something?God the Father only accepts his Son Jesus to be the door you enter. its settled by his Word.your made up scenario is worth nothing.
>>538528317You made a blanket statement that didn't really say anything other than you are butthurt America exists. I merely pointed out the head of your faith also happens to be from that nation you are assmad exists.
REMINDER: this book has facts in it and things that ACTUALLY happened unlike the mentally ill bible
>>538515727Were chomos excommunicated? I'm pretty they just shuffled them around so they could avoid prosecution.
>>538528517>there is no Mother that intercedes for your behalfWhoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.therefore whover denies the Mother of Jesus, part of the Holy Family, is not only denying the Father but denying the concept of family as a wholefuthermore Abraham interceded for the people of Sodoma and Gomorra when God was right beside him. We know We can intercede for others
>>538528427>infinitelywhere is that coming from, you are justified by his blood on the cross by faith in his perfect work, the one time grace given by faith by God.salvation is the process that confirms you to the image of Christ throughout your life, the ongoing process until death.there is no infinitely coming closer to the icon of Christ.the path and walks you live through were predestined before creation and there is a definite stop.>and afterwards by grace of God through Christ in the spirit we will subsist in eternal communion growing closer to God but never becoming Godwe will live eternally with Jesus Christ, God, on earth with a new heaven and earth.but this is all just theological babble, I am more concerned with the false teaching of the orthodox church, iconography, praying to saints etc which they took with them before the schism.>>538528871then why do you care about the Mother so much when the Father glorifies his Son.>therefore whover denies the Mother of Jesus, part of the Holy Family, is not only denying the Father but denying the concept of family as a wholepaganistic teachings. mary was an ordinary human, not divine in nature. she was not without sin.>We know We can intercede for othersyes, humans that are alive for humans that are alive.we are not to pray for or to the dead, its prohibited.Isiah 8:19And when they say to you, “Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,” should not a people inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?Deut 1810 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,[e] anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord.
>>538515727Vatican 2 is fake
>>538515727see thats the thing, world is full of fags who claim to be christian when they really are not, and you come here and whine about christians while we tell you to suck a bag of nigger dicks because you are a know-nothing retard...but still you continue to post. jesus forgive this nigger.
>>538519322So, you're a protestant.
>>538515727>>Does not excommunicate "Catholic" politicians like Biden or Pelosi who upheld abortion lawsumm sweaty that is an automatic and ipso facto excommunication darling
>>538529116>then why do you care about the Motherbecause the Mother glorifies the Father. Dude, Jesus was born in a family. He didn't out of nowhere in a desert. Family is important hence the Father and the Son.Jesus himself glorifies the Father by calling us Son of God while He called himself Son of ManWhoever denies the Family, denies the Father and the Son. That is quite obviousit's not even about the mother only. joseph taught us to take care of outsiders>mary was an ordinary humanthe things you read in /pol/either way, human need precedes religious tradition: Mark 2:27-28God is for us and not the other way around. that's why christians are Israel aka God's bride. That's why He is jealous. We are also brothers. We are also God's sons. Joseph and Mary were God's parents. And so on and so onYou're insistence about the law makes you no different that the pharisee, that is, that makes a man that will not care for others because he is too stubborn about traditions
>>538526533Without a central authority you get protestanism. Look how well that turned out. Lutherans, God bless them, are marrying faggots and have dikes as pastors.
>>538515727There's a reason why they were crucified upside down
>>538515727Abortion is a sin but there are many other sinners that don't get excommunicated. Those bishops are rebelling against the church which is not really a sin per se but you can't just expect to say fuck you to your boss and not get fired.
>>538530777his earthly father was Joseph.Mary and Joseph are out of the equation when it comes to Jesus Christ and God the Father.Luke 2 48 And when his parents[g] saw him, they were astonished. And his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been searching for you in great distress.” 49 And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father's house?”[h] 50 And they did not understand the saying that he spoke to them. >hat makes a man that will not care for others because he is too stubborn about traditionsall I said that you should not pray to or for dead people. and thats totally reasonable.>>538530948God should be the only authority in your life. elders and godly people are to looked upon how to walk your life with God, but not the ultimate authority.>are marrying faggots and have dikes as pastors.yes, since they went into ecumenism with the roman catholic church.
>>538515727biden isn't in the clergy fag. you can't just lets randoms appoint bishops. that is just usurping the power of the pope.
>>538519842Based
>>538515727>>Excommunicates hundreds of thousandsNo he didn't.Only people with official roles at SSPX got excommunicated.A few hundred people in total.Normal church goers (about 600.000) can still call themselves Catholics even though they technically don't attend a Catholic church.
Look up Bella Dodd and the communist infiltration of the Church.https://youtube.com/watch?v=03brZN9BunI
>>538529116>Deut 18>10 There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering,[e] anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer 11 or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, 12 for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord.by the way, god made his priests do thisfirst he told them to take kids for themselves in numbers 31:17-18 and later he told them to sacrifice 10% of what they gained hereyou also don't want to bring up deuteronomy because of the original Deuteronomy 32:8-9 which explains that yhwh is not god at all, he's just one of the powers and principalities that were later mentioned in the Pauline epistles. paul himself in hebrews mentions Melchizedek and how Jesus is a priest of Mel's order. Mechizedek himself is a priest of the order of El Elyon and Abraham himself recognized his authority and paid tribute to him. All of this just means that the jews are bullshiting you and you shouldn't quote the israel laws of the OT, christians are not subjected to them
>>538515929>>538515727you already know the answer, muttnigger... so why you ask still ?
>>538524574"Church" is a scam...
>>538531499>first he told them to take kids for themselves in numbers 31:17-18 and later he told them to sacrifice 10% of what they gained hereif you think they sacrificed the children you are fucking retarded.>christians are not subjected to themwhat applies to Israel applies to professing Christians since they are grafted into Israel. so yes, the laws against idolatry and having other gods stands and the same judgement as israel awaits the apostate churches.>Deuteronomy 32:8-9God divorced humanity and put the nations under other gods which explains paganism and the different gods.God is still the chief God over all of them since he judges them for example in Exodus. he wasnt just defeating Pharaoh but also the egyptian gods for making the israelites worship them.
>>538531128>all I said that you should not pray to or for dead people. and thats totally reasonable.>prayingsee >>538528317for some reason you believe that interceding is praying. we don't pray to one of our parents when we told them to convince our other parent of somethingpeople just believe they're not worthy of being heard by god's ears. that's just being humble>and thats totally reasonable.not body is denying it. it's just that you associate it with intercession. it's like thinking that people pray to the pope. it's weird that you believe thatyou know how jesus talked to moses? imagine that a guy comes to you and say "actually jesus was praying to moses and that's bad." you would only be confused
>>538531941>people just believe they're not worthy of being heard by god's ears.Jesus made sure we are always heard by God.praying to saints is the circumvention of Jesus by praying to someone else.>it's just that you associate it with intercession.but thats what praying to Mary is, asking for her intercession so she prays to Jesus on your behalf.its mind boggling. we are to pray to Jesus.>it's weird that you believe thatI dont think people pray to the pope, but they pray to who the pope declares to be saints in heaven who can hear our prayers and interces to God for their behalf which is all made up bullshit not supported by the bible.
>>538531788>if you think they sacrificedif you read the bible and the complains of biblical figures would realize that yes indeed, that people were stupid enough to sacrifice people because of the law. abraham would have sacrificed isaac if god didn't stop him therefore in this story in numbers if god told them to burn 10% of what they gained then they will do it. since numbers doesn't say that god stopped them then they did. simple asit's confusing to hear you defend them because it's like defending the pharisee who once again put law over human lives
>>538532200>abraham would have sacrificed isaac if god didn't stop himAbraham is a whole different story because God promised his seed comes through Isaac.so when Abraham went through with it he was 100% certain God would raise Isaac back up to fulfill his promise.he even said so himself, saying to the servants WE will come back.>it's like defending the pharisee who once again put law over human lives#the pharisees didnt even exist in the time of exodus. and their corruption of the law and traditions is a whole other can of worms.that being said, the people in Numbers 31 where the spoils for the Levites. they were grafted into Israel. the beasts and gold were also just spoils that enriched the tribes. they didnt slaughter them.
>>538532195>Jesus made sure we are always heard by Godgravity and light make sure we understand we are in a spheroid earth, that doesn't stop people from being flat-earthers. ultimately god loves his funny sinners more than his law loving followers. we shouldn't be bothered>I dont think people pray to the popeweird dissasociation. the pope intercedes for God after all. the schism started because protestants didn't want intercession, they just want to believe that what they read is enough for salvation but jesus explained that salvation is not selfish as he could be anyone of us>what goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles themhence i would argue that the action of keeping the law is like eating but that action alone means nothing. it's the outer action like helping others that glorifies or defiles us then i would argue that intercession is nothing more than the embodiment of these teachings because ultimately through those actions they are recognizing the superiority of God over themselves and the history of christianity and of the bible
>>538532750Jesus affirms the law especially the commandments but rebukes the traditions of the pharisees.the churches hold to traditions while discarding the law.see the problem here? the churches are the modern day pharisees forsaking the law for their traditions.> the pope intercedes for God after allGod doesnt need anybody to intercede for him. the pope is a fraud who claims the title of God on earth which makes him antichrist.>jesus explained that salvation is not selfish as he could be anyone of uslol, wtf. Jesus is in heaven having all authority given to him.>hence i would argue that the action of keeping the law is like eating but that action alone means nothing.its your outward affirmation of allegiance to God. by keeping the law you not only fulfill the role as imager of God, but you show to the world that you chose God over the world and the authority of man.for example, resting on the 7th day instead of the 1st day which mainstream churches dont do. they rather align with the world by resting on sunday.this shows their authority is the world, rather than God.
>>538532750but keeping the law doesnt make you righteous, God knows your heart.
>>538520801>>538527122>>538527902Technically, an Idol has to be something 'based in earth.'The way orthodoxy is allowed to make ICONS, is because they don't use a 'model' when painting the icon. They base it on prayer and a mental image.For example.If I wanted to sculpt a crucifix, so i look for a reference model that looks like what I think Jesus would look like.IF I then sculpt the crucifix using that living human as a reference, THEN that would be an 'idol'.On the orthodoxy route instead;IF I 'prayed' for inspiration, and sculpted based solely on 'divine inspiration', THEN it would NOT be an idol.Make sense?I think a better argument against idol worship is to say that its like a retarded hindu jeet....Their Idols are fucking retarded and they just dump them everywhere.Anyway I think Yahweh is Satan, and you're both wrong.
>>538528770>"In 2012, Wells reaffirmed that he agreed that Jesus existed and acknowledged he had changed his stance"Get fucked retard.If jews hate jesus so much, there must be something good about him.Imma do the opposite of what "my mom titties" says.Go do a standing prayer cursing christians or something!
muslims sure do hate the traditional religion of their hosts
>>538523488Nigger.
>>538528804How pretty are you?
>>538519322you are the definition of a protestant my nigger
>>538515727Catholics are just cosplaying shitskins.
>>538532525>because God promisedgod has not reason to hold his promises. like he promised insta death (lit. death death a literally tool to express superlativity) to adam if he ate the fruit and well... then there is the whole can of worms about whether the flood was local or not and whether that broke his rainbow promise or not>the pharisees didnt even exist in the time of exodusduh. exodus is the story that tries to explain how the priesthoods were introduced but the pharisees literally started existing right after, they left Israel and reached the fort of judah, since that moment they have been larping as holders of the lawdoesn't weird you out how the bible insisted the samaritans were not israelites (dna test shows they are)?doesn't weird you out how the samaritans were expecting jesus and immediately accept him?doesn't weird you out how jesus existed before the christian jesus?catholics, protestants, etc never put two and two together. only marcion did, only marcion realized most of the OT was bullshit, only marcion came up with the idea of compiling the gospels. now you are all divided by words, by the laws>but rebukes the traditions of the pharisees.traditions? those are ruling. i literally reference mark 2: 27-28 for that same reason>the churches hold to traditions while discarding the lawdon't be a dummy. the biggest tradition is holding the laws (OT) of the jews>>538533145>lol, wtfmatthew 25jeez, you clearly have not read the gospels.whoever denies his brother, denies the Sonjesus is teaching to not deny our family>>538533177>but keeping the law doesnt make you righteousthat's what i said>God knows your heart.that's what 15:11 means. holding the laws, the food laws story-wise, won't make you righteous
>>538515727fake newshundreds of thousands... are you stupid!
>>538536513most threads about "le pope said things" are made by jews that don't actually quote what he said desu
>>538524574Don't orthodox simp for kikes too?
