If you were placed in charge of Ukraine’s military, what would you do to defeat Russia on the field?
Sell the occupied territory. Like a deal where they are guaranteed autonomy, shared internartional representation, and me getting a favorable deal on Russian ressources, to sell to the EU at a premium price
>>538529446I WOULD DRAFT EVERY SINGLE PERSON WHO RAN AWAY AND IMMEDIATELY SEND THEM TO MOSCOW.SLAVA UKRANI.LONG LIVE ZELENSKY.LONG LIVE BUDANOV.TZDZIGGERS WOULD SUICIDE SO QUICKLY AT THE SIGHT OF 10 MILLION MAD UKRANIANS.
>>538529446Retreat from Donetsk oblast slightly to straighten the frontline a bit
>>538529663Why not just drone their refineries until they leave the country?
>>538529446surrender, give the whole west up to russia to annex, the west to poland and hungary and the south to moldovarename what remains to ukikeria and make stupid black hats and long retarded sidebutns along side circumcision mandatory, for both genders
>>538529446>If you were placed in charge of Ukraine’s military, what would you do to defeat Russia on the field?Ukraine has no chance of winning no matter who is in charge, but whoever the military leader is gets hamstringed by Zelenskyy who routinely interferes in military matters for purely political reason. For example, the disastrous decision to invade Kursk or to create and hold the Krynky bridgeheads. Ukraine's military commanders opposed these decisions but Zelenskyy insisted on them to create propaganda "wins". This is the problem Ukrainian military commanders face and have faced from the beginning of the war. It doesn't matter if you're Sun Tzu, Napoleon, Alexander the Great, or whomever. Zelenskyy will interfere and fuck up whatever brilliant strategy you try to pursue.Its too late now, but what should have happened several years ago is a coup to overthrow Zelenskyy so that competent leadership could have replaced him and given the military a free hand without political bullshit.
>>538530223>>538530317Why not just drone their refineries until they leave the country?
>>538529984>Debauchery without invasion has an effectDid nn of you idiots ever read Clausewitz?
>>538529585Russia then invades more of your territoryWhat now.
>>538530427But why not just keep droning their refineries until they leave the country? This is what I asked.
>>538530463Keep droning their refineries until they go back.
>>538529446Damn.. Are you Russians that desperate..
>>538530496They wont. All this does is give the EU drone producers new demand to grow their GDP with minimal to no effect to Russia>b-but the refinaries, Russia will run out of gas in two weeksretard
>>538529446I would ask for as much money as I can and steal 90% of itdon't care about who wins 2bh
>>5385294461. Build a time machine2. declare neutrality3. get money by asking for gibs from both sides
>>538530603>They wont.Why not?
>>538529446probably bomb russia until nothing's left really
>>538529446Steal as much money from nafo cucks as I can
>>538530544Are you winning daughter
>>538530463Why should they? If the deal is profitable for them and they get their informal control over the black sea coast and the Donbass resources, while formally allowing Ukraine to as well profit off it, there is no reason.AHHHHH, you need more demand for your military production and the give Ukraine loans and have Ukraine pay for the production with the loan - ponzi so your own ponzinomy doesnt goes into technical recession/depression.I dont see how that is a concern for Russia or Ukraine
>>538529446Keep doing what they're doing. I don't see any better options desu
>>538529446I think I would give up and tell Putin that I'm sorry, no hard feelings and then leave to my palace in England and be a very good boy for the rest of my life. I'm sure he'll understand. We're bro's, right?
>>538530603>>b-but the refinaries, Russia will run out of gas in two weeks>retardThey're lining up for gas right now. How is that sustainable? Sitting in a 30 mile long car q to get fuel doesn't seem like a productive day for a citizen
>>538530675Read the nuclear doctrine. If for some improbable reason continues debauchery with drones should get Russia close to an existential threat to its state (it wont) the doctrine say its allowed to clean the drone hive with nukes. And who is going to retaliate for Ukraine in kind? Neither France nor UK are formally at war with Russia, and they are not going to risk a nuclear exchange with a power they are not at war with
>>538529446I think their drone strategy is the best strategy. It makes up for their critical manpower disadvantage.Just keep droning every Russian that tried to move across the field, and keep droning the Russian infrastructure until Putin relents.Also start drafting the women.
>>538530675they can just build more.You Americans are so retarded you simply cannot do war. Have you not learned from Iran?>>538530892You are simply making them angrier and more join the army lol
>>538529446false flag attack poland or baltic states
>>538530401>Why not just drone their refineries until they leave the country?>>538530496>But why not just keep droning their refineries until they leave the country? This is what I asked.>>538530520>Keep droning their refineries until they go back.>>538530675>Why not?STFU, you annoying autistic retard.
>>538530921Yeah they're not allowed to use nukes though. It's why no one cares about all their nuke threats.>>538530959How can they build anything without fuel?
>>538529446>defeat Russia on the fieldThat's impossible.
>>538531014Polandis prepared
>>538531019So why not just drone their refineries until they leave the country?
>>538530921NOOOOOOOOOOKSaccording to nuclear doctrine they should've been used already when Ukraine invaded Kursk, Belgorod, bombed Moscow, bombed the nuclear submarines, strategic planes, early warning radars.But cucktin won't do shit.
Buy food at the store and feed it to your cow daughters.Cow daughters produce milk eggs. Place the milk eggs on the balance to see if a calf will be born!Milk Eggs that do not hatch can be sold. Calf girls can be made to grow by feeding them candy!
>>538531020>>538531084Uf it was for me the spemilops would have oppened with an iskander with a nuclear warhead on Lemberg; but I am not the Russian MOD nor the Duma
>>538529446Drop crates of vodka on the Russian positions. They'll all be dead from alcohol poisoning by the end of the year.
>>538531020They have fuel, just less for civilians but they have fuel. A country like that isn't running out of fuel. You don't stop military operations by bombing facilities, you are simply making them slower or even just making people angrier. But wars are won on the field with super powers. If it was a small country I can understand, but Russia simply has the manpower to do anything.
i would simply tell the russians that in the same scenario america would give reparations shake hands and leave, whereupon they will either immediately try to do the same but +1smile and drink, or, they will fabricate a wondorous unverifiable tale that is the plain truth that everyone knows about how by doing so america has lost. since they cant take a shit w/o this comparison, and cannot cope with the outcome shy of narrative craft, then either they fuck off and ukriane wins or russians come out in force to yell abouthow america isnt a realy country at which point mowing them down should be easy.
>>538531239>A country like that isn't running out of fuel.Then why are they? They need refineries to make the fuel, and they're on fire now. So just keep them on fire until Russians leave Ukraine. Simple as.
>>538529446idk try negotiating - no joining eu/nato, single market with russia, recognition of crimea, high level of autonomy for eastern provinces with recognition of russian as one of official languages in exchange for lpr/dpr returning to ukraine in some form of confederacy.
>>538529446Hi NATO, I would open up my legs and endure the righteous russian dick I deserve for accepting CIA psyops since 2010ish
>>538531318Never get high on your own supply. That counts for blow as for propaganda
>>538529446>If you were placed in charge of Ukraine’s military...-Kill all the politicians in Kiev, especially the jews.-Send hunter death squads to kill all politicians during the coup (2014 - 2022), especially the jews.-Send hunter death squads to kill every single US / NATO person who was responsible for the 2014 coup, like Victoria Nuland and George Soros.-Something something something.-"Win" the war.>>538529663That would not work.They spent every cent of "aid" they got from Europe/US building fortifications in the south (from 2014 coup to 2022 war). They don't have anything highly fortified like that in the rear. Once Russia takes those last super-fortified areas in Donbas, the rest of Ukraine will be wide open.
>>538529446>on the fieldIt seems most people didn’t read this part
>>538531387You kinda just say whatever don't ya?
>>538531319how does that deter russia to just take more though?
>>538531080>So why not just drone their refineries until they leave the country?If it were a good idea you would not need to spam it.
Collect at least 2 million HIV infected asshole boys from Afhganistan to spread their cheeks while bound and bent over and drop them over the Russian border, maybe it would cause Russians to go back.
>>538531466If it wasn't a good idea, you would be able to say why.
>>538531430NATO nigger, of course I can't tell if you are currently trying to spread propaganda or taking a bump from it, but it doesn't matter, as this is an adversarial platform; you are automatically considered a propagandist when taking a firm partisan position
>>538529446You CAN'T defeat Russia on the field on russian soil. Right now, russians built massive defense line that is on "ukrainian" side is being massively crushed . Ukraine doesn't exist . You take a loss.
>>538531529nato pedophilia and faggotry go hand in hand
>>538531529Wholly crap what a retard. Anybody here with an actual brain?
>>538529446Best strategy is to just make it as costly as possible to advance. Lots of mines, cheap drones, attack infrastructure, etc. So pretty much exactly what they’re doing. They learned pretty fast that they are not in the position to be launching offensives.
>>538529446I would send the Ghost of Kyiv over to Moscow to kill Putler personally
>>538531434they would or would not take a deal, returning lpr/dpr in any form idk how realistic that is no matter what they're offered in return.
>>538531594I know you're angry because of the fuel stuff. It's only going to get worse after Omsk.
>>538531318>it's happening right now!>Russia is still advancingyou might be retarded
>>538531821What? I have not taken a firm partisan position. You are projecting, or are applying a very weak ass distraction manoeuver. Please tell your script writers that they should retire and let llms write the scripts; or just disband the entire unit and replace them with Grok
>>538531318>They need refineries to make the fuelUkraine has no refineries and they're still fighting-
>>538529446Call up China and tell them they can have all the gas, oil, and mineral rights to everything east of the Dnipro river in perpetuity if they launch a major strike on Russia and cripple its military.I'm not getting that shit back, but I can deny it to Russia and have them be effectively neutered as a superpower. Pyrrhic fucking victory, baby.
>>538531576>If it wasn't a good idea, you would be able to say why.Ukraine has been striking Russian oil refineries to the best of their ability, so they are doing what you suggest. But this has done nothing to change the facts on the ground.
>>538531885Wow you really can't answer at all can you?>>538531935Right they get their fuel from the West and don't have shortages like Russia does now. It's a major advantage they have and they should make Russia a no fuel zone.>>538532034>But this has done nothing to change the facts on the groundYou mean besides the massive fuel lines on the ground?
>>538531935That’s because, as 21st century liberal democracy, Ukraine is using electric power. None of their drones need benzin you pidor zigger shill.
>>538532081>You mean besides the massive fuel lines on the ground?Sure that's an inconvenience for Russian civilians. But hasn't stopped the RuAF from capturing Kostiantynivka.
>>538529984>>538530496>>538531080Can you stop asking the same stupid question. It won't work.The actual purpose of hitting the refineries is to make the Russian people uncomfortable/afraid in the hopes there will be a Color Revolution. This of course is a risky gambit that could(and usually does) have the opposite effect.In any case, doing superficial damage to refineries every couple weeks has almost zero tactical value. And it's usually not something that's repeatable on a given target. Which is why Ukraine is constantly having to find new targets that are increasingly harder to hit. Russia hasn't hardened those targets yet because they didn't think they needed to.Regardless, Russia cannot just "leave the country". Anyone who talks like this is retarded. Crimea will never be Ukrainian again. The Banderites will never succeed in ethnically-cleansing the Russians in the South and East. The only question is how many Russians and Ukrainians will die, and how far into bankruptcy the Europeans will go before they have no choice but to join the war.
>>538532090>as 21st century liberal democracylol
>>538529446On the field?Not possible in the current meta.Roll back the patch twenty years when maneuver warfare was still viable, and that would be a different story.
>>538532155Oh it's definitely an "inconvenience" for sure lmao. And I'm sure they captured Kostiantynivka just like they did Kupyansk.>>538532156>>538532156>Regardless, Russia cannot just "leave the country"Why not though? Because they have no fuel to leave?
>>538532156>how far into bankruptcy the Europeans will goSAR, Modern Monetary Theory: debt is productive for GDP. May I interest you in some Bund bonds? very good yield, promise of no default
>>538532081I showed a simply counter-example, you said that if you put refineries on fire a world superpower would surrender, and I said it is really happening now and your conclusion is not. It is very easy to understand why if you aren't so attached to your own ideas.
>>538532081I don't see how hitting refineries could make any difference on the battlefield but guess you and Budanov do so maybe I'm wrong.Most likely there's nothing else they can really do so they do that.
>>538532034>facts on the groundMaps are a meme. Just because you have some troops sitting around in a ditch doesn’t mean you effectively occupy it. Especially when the positions are still constantly under fire from artillery, drones, snipers, etc. Ukraine just hit a target that was 3500km away. They’ve been assassinating generals, influencers, and scientists. Taking more rubble is not the win Russians think it is.
>>538532302>you said that if you put refineries on fire a world superpower would surrenderwhere did I say that?>>538532307>I don't see how hitting refineries could make any difference on the battlefieldIt doesn't need to. That's the point. Just keep droning their refineries until they leave. No fighting required. See?
>>538532090>as 21st century liberal democracyThis is very lazy bait
>>538529446Get rid of Zelenskyy, tell NATO to shit or get off the pot, withdrawal from Donetsk/Luhansk and refortify, but burn the fields, constant strikes along the front, stop wasting time with deep territory strikes just for PR, do away with any military actions for PR, focus on actually winning. Evacuate civilian areas instead of leaving them for meat shields, and ultimately look to end the war with better terms than total destruction. If NATO doesn’t fully commit the war will never truly end, if the war never truly ends then Ukraine will never recover. If NATO does fully commit, do everything in your power to control their forces and actions, open up another front, let NATO start taking some casualties to give time for Ukrainian forces to recuperate. If NATO refuses, fuck it. Turn sides. Offer the ol’ switcheroo to Russia, invade Germany, bomb Poland, sink some British ships. Just full revenge for what they’ve put your country up to at that point.
>>538532359>So just keep them on fire until Russians leave Ukraine. Simple as.
>>538532359>Just keep droning their refineries until they leave.Thing is that will never make them leave. Idk where you people get that idea, it's just clinging to the straws and desperate thinking.There's nothing Ukraine can really do, even if they get some magical antimatter weapon that would give them absolute advantage on the battlefield it would just make them eat the nuke in the end.
>>538530711>probably bomb Russia until nothing's left reallylmao good luck with that you stupid nigger>>538530934>keep droning the Russian infrastructure until Putin relents.AHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAlmao so THD it is then lmaoooooooo sick!virtually every "ukraine is wining!" here says>"do the exact same thing you are losing your ass at so hard ukraine wont exist when this is over!! yahh fuck Putler!!! he will give up any day now out of frustration!! hes going to snap his keyboard and disconnect from the server!!!absolutely peak nafo logic
>>538532433Exactly. It's just that Russians don't get to have fuel until they leave Ukraine. That's all.>>538532495>Thing is that will never make them leaveThen they don't get to have fuel. That's the point.
>>538532307because a system collapse for Russia would be devastating.Imagine you needed a car to get anywhere, you need fuel for that car. Without the car you can't shop, so you can't eat.Secondly, military vehicles aren't exactly designed to be carbon neutral, they need a large amount of fuel as well.A third effect would logically also be a financial problem for the Russian state. If they have no money, any of the previously aforementioned points would be much harder to deal with.If NATO had gotten their fingers out of their asses earlier on in the war and stopped every single Russian shadow fleet ship, they would already be in trouble.
>>538532378>switch sides after Russia killed or wounded millions of your peopleThis isn’t even remotely possible. You retards live in fantasy land. The moment Zelensky softens on Russia is when he gets killed by Azov and replaced with a Banderite. He fell for Boris Johnson’s shit and now he has to own it.
>>538532544>Then they don't get to have fuel. That's the point.I don't get it.
>>538532499>lmao good luck with that you stupid niggerbenzin status?
>>538532378>how to win the war>retreat and focus on winning>if you cant win against Puccia then declare war on NATOI cant believe this guys is a real person and not a VPN rusnigger
>>538532331>ukraine just hit a target that was 3500km away.LMAOOOOOOOOOO who gives a shit nigger?what the fuck does any of that do to restore the 1991 borders or kick off the Crimean beach party? can you explain your logic at all?>They’ve been assassinating generals, influencers, and scientists.HAHHHAAHAHHAHAAHAHHAHAno seriously you people are a danger to yourselves and everyone around you, but im sure you and your therapist already know that
>>538532587>killed by azov Buddy…
>>538532544they won't leave you dum amerilard. I know it's really hard for you to believe people actually go on the battlefield to fight wars and can live on bread and butter.
>>538532597Russians don't get it either...fuel I mean. That's the point.
>>538532639>they won't leave you dum amerilard.then they aren't allowed to have fuel
>>538532495Russia also doesn’t want a perpetual terror state on its border. I don’t know where you guys get that idea.>t-theyll just take over all of Ukraine 2 more weeks
>>538532378Lotta HOI4, huh? You'd be surprised how necessary PR is, even in a fascist or dictatorial state.
Go and /pol/ and spam "I"m winning" until euros give me free money
>>538532677we are throwing tantrums now
>>538532598>benzin status?LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO just 25 or 30 more gas station explosions and surely Russians will rise up and kill Putin!!!!holy shit the wish casting out of nato is absolutely fucking beyond insane
>>538532626>spergs outRussia lost when the USSR collapsed. Them fighting a costly war with a former republic is just a humiliation ritual.
>>538532587>He fell for Boris Johnson’s shit and now he has to own it.Would fuel up G650, load it 2000 kilos over MTOW with gold and fuck off somewhere to asia or south america and send assassin to do Boris for fucking me up.
>>538532763I know. Russians waiting in fuel lines are super angry about not having fuel.
>>538532626you are right bitchnigger simp, its completely pointless, 100% uneffective and irrelevant...which is why if russia does anything about it other than say "thank you sir may i have another" then ole nafo will have take off its belt and hand out a spanking.....how does that make you feel btw?>allegorical footage of the ukraine issue and its ultimate inevitible conclusion:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sBhCTxq52k&list=PLQMiRykNdb9j1Wgbm1gmuKTpFrlRM3CZ5
>>538532764From CIA boomers perspective it's just soviet union tearing itself apart and that can't be bad thing.
>>538532081>You mean besides the massive fuel lines on the ground?The fuel shortage is mostly just regular gasoline for passenger cars. And a lot of it is driven by panic-buying and not from a true shortage.>>538532263>Why not though? Because they have no fuel to leave?In the first place, there is usually a fuel shortage this time of year. Secondly, the strike on the refinery in Moscow was mostly just luck. At best you can make Russian logistics more complicated/expensive. Which is what Ukraine has been trying to do with HIMARS and ATACMS and attacks on bridges since the start of the war. It will never have the effect you desire. At best it will force Russia to spend more on defense.Furthermore, China has already made it clear that they will support Russia. There is no scenario where Russia "loses"(short of WWIII).From the very beginning it was understood that this was an existential war for Russia. The real danger for all of us is that this war has become an existential war for Europe because they've spend half a trillion dollars and staked their entire future on defeating Russia. Which means Europe cannot walk away either.I don't see any future where Europe doesn't get nuked.
>>538532880>a lot of it is driven by panic-buying and not from a true shortagewhy are they panic buying? what are they panicked about?
>>538532828the "we" was referring to you lol
>>538532378lmao there is no scenario where (((nato))) ever gets involved in this war. not ever. its the deepst most pathetic delusion ukrainians cling tolmao, ukriane should just keep up the refinery peremoga, because deep down, every ukrainian who sees that nigger dogshit knows it will change absolutely fucking jack shit nothing about the war, the new borders or lost territory ukraine didnt even want anyway, so in the end, its just demoralization for ukraine domestically, another rung deeper down into the ladder of hell
>>538529446>if you were a deformed dysgenic orc against a massively superior army of pure elves what would you do to defeat them?Same vibes, NAFO likes every mongrelized subhumans and hates on pure whites as some sort of quest of reduce a gap between lowest and highest quality people on the Earth.
>>538529446Terrible as it is, Id try to make a deal with Turkey to get involved, offering them very significant incentives. This would have dire longterm consequences, but Russia cant match Turkey in the this region, at all.
>>538532921I know but I was referring to all the fights breaking out in fuel lines in Russia. Have you seen the funny videos?
>>538532807He will be hunted down. The current SBU in Ukraine was built by the CIA in 2014. Zelensky has no real power which is why Russia hasn’t even bothered to kill him.
>>538532864>>538532879>nato help me save me!!! im ukraine your best friend!!! help nato only you can stop Russia!!!meanwhile the totality of nato pooled together couldnt staff a single 200 mile segment of 1 sector of the ukrainian front for more than 72hrs, but somehow they are still "alien-tech wunderwaffe 60-100 years ahead of Russia and China" in the ukroid propagandahilarious as it is backwards and pathetic for ukraine
>>538529446i'd just surrender then cash in on stupid EUgoy money for "rebuilding"
>>538533078sorry i didnt hear your cope or narrative craft over the sound of slavnigger refineries acking away kek
>>538532263>And I'm sure they captured KostiantynivkaYes, the geo-located flag raising videos would indicate that. Ukraine is always slow to acknowledge the loss of cities. They took a long time before they finally acknowledged the loss of Bakhmut, Avdeevka, Pokrovsk, and wherever else. Might be several more weeks, or hell even months before Ukraine finally admits Kostiantynivka was captured by Russia, but its already happened.
>>538532935>pure whiteRemind me of the size of your muslim population
>>538532764russians are more likely to start signing up to the military to kill ukrainians with their own hands for blowing up their gas than to rise up against putin
>>538529446I'd sue for peace, because fuck the EU and Ukkos are Russian at the end of the day.The war depopulates the region and jeets are being imported en masse as a result. The war is the dumbest fucking thing conceivable.
>>538532302>a world superpowerkek, it's not even a superpower in russia
>>538533118>the nafo nigger trannies master plan is to hit gasproms 3rd quarter profits for a 3.5% loss year-over-year to collapse Russia and kill Putinlmao, so ukraine, london and nato have chose (webm related)brilliant choice
>>538532331>Taking more rubble is not the win Russians think it is.Rubble can be rebuilt. Concrete and rebar are not Zero-Sum resourced; land -- and the mineral wealth it contains -- is.
>>538532617Donetsk/Luhansk have been a 12 year quagmire that has spiraled out of control. Cut losses, it is not worth the lives and death. Better defensible positions across the river, less reason to continue the fighting, can apply diplomatic pressure to end the war on the terms as stated by Russia at the beginning of the war. If NATO won’t fully commit the war will not be won any other way. At this point it’s better to make decisions for survival than victory.
>>538532935>pure whiteskek, have you looked in the mirror, pidor?
>>538533124>Yes, the geo-located flag raising videos would indicate thatThat's how you know they captured Kupyansk too :)
>>538533228god no not empty impotent threats noooooo!!kek kys simp bitch.
>>538533281nato full committed and this was itnato did everything it could except send its own actual men into combat which would have ended every single european government that tried>pic relatedevery single euro nation that tabled "bringing back the draft" for some war against Russia collapsed the very next day virtually
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>>538529446probably can't talk about it on here, and i'm not even talking nukes.
>>538533270>mineral wealth it contains Fuck you people are retarded KEK. Russians aren’t gonna be building metallurgy plants and mines in areas that are constantly hit with artillery and drones. Are you gonna pull up the stat for land value and say Russia made trillions of dollars next?
>>538533361"empty threats"lmao, those were delivered promises, with fresh arrivals setting records dailyukraines going to wish it kept those "oblasts it didnt even want anyway" after they run out of holes in the ground for their male populationbut yah, Gazproms Q3 and maybe Q4 are gunna piss stock holders off thats for sure!!! ukraine really owned Russia there!!! I bet Putin throws his hands up and just leaves ukraine any day now!!
>>538533372Would also say we're at point where more money won't make any difference on the field. There's probably too much of it really.
Just keep droning Russia and Crimea until they leave the country, if that means indefinitely so be it
>>538533485>more slavnigger noisewake me up when you've won....so we can call you a loser if you leave.
>>538530773Perhaps because you gave them a profitable deal last time. They want more things like that.
>>538533281>rusniggers advanced 50 kilometers in 4 years?>cut the losses, retreat 180 kilometers back and apply diplomatic pressure (?)Nope, deinetely a rusnigger.
>>538533415>"the benzin is gone comrade????">"Da....but the Moskals are still coming for us here at the trench line...budanov seems to have miscalculated brat, now you must liquidate!"that post is a "benzin status??" if ive ever seen one
>>538533270>russia will rebuild and manage resources wiselyyou are truly a delusional retard. russia can't even manage the resources it already has and doesn't build anything other than some vanity projects for pootin and oligarchs, while the russian people live like in Africa.
>>538533548>wake me up when you've won....so we can call you a loser if you leave.lmao, will do bud!better book the beach chair rentals now!
>>538529446Surrender or march everyone forward in charges so big they can’t operate enough drones to do anything about it. You can defeat any minefield by throwing waves and waves of men at it.
>>538529446Demolish the supply lines, gradually weaken the defences, and when the time is fitting, start poking the weak spots until something gives, and then drive hammer in.
>>538533127>Remind me of the size of your muslim populationWhatever Russia's muslim population is, pretty much 100% of it is pre-existing in the territory from the time the Tsar's conquered and annexed their territory. That's why Russia has a muslim population.In contrast, your (((leaders))) are mass-importing Muslims from Africa, India, the middle-east, etc. by the millions. In your country they are NOT indigenous, but are being brought in as we speak. That's the difference.
>>538533372I know this. NATO has quite literally never been in worse shape. Their major governments collapse every few weeks, their major economies have been sliding into deeper recessions for years, their militaries are hollow shadows of what they once were. Now with America pulling back they have to rely on the same kind of tactics that countries like Pakistan or Egypt would. Capable in some situations but not ready for a full scale conflict. If they won’t commit lives to the defense of Ukraine, then Ukraine should not be committed to the defense of NATO. They have quite literally been asking Ukraine to jump head first into the meat grinder so they can keep laundering money and having gay sex parades. It’s a horrible deal for Ukraine. The faux nationalism being pushed by countries who quite literally outlaw their own flags is just insane dissonance. That’s why I suggested saying fuck it and invading a NATO country. Only Ukraine has a real, capable military. Poland would likely put up the most fight of any European nation and historically speaking that speaks abysmally of the readiness of NATO.
>>538533281NATO has committed a fair deal in terms of indirect support. You’re also acting like NATO is losing anything in this. It’s not. The CIA is happy if this war goes on for another decade or two.
>>538533596lmaooooo, meanwhile, outside of the nafo troon delusion>"Crimea before under ukraine, and Crimea after Russia"
>>538533467>Russians aren’t gonna be building metallurgy plants and mines in areas that are constantly hit with artillery and drones.Correct. They'll be doing that AFTER the war.
>>538533596you're frivolous. hoped this thread would be more serious but it turned into chug/uhg. meh.
>>538532156>causing the enemy to have issues with fuel and supply lines while simultaneously heating civilians who are ready to kill each other for some gas is ackhhtually has no effectLadies and gentlemen, we have a strategic genius John from Texas oblast here
>>538533696>drive hammer inBad idea. They don’t have the manpower to launch an offensive. Destroying supply lines is also what they’re doing now with things like the Hornet to great effect.
>>538533578And how far has Ukraine gained? The territories are gone, why waste all of these lives for scraps? Just to protect an alliance that won’t do anything meaningful to help? I’m just being a realist. Without direct, boots on the ground, active involvement from NATO, and frankly particularly America, this war is just slaughter that is impossible to win.
>>538529446i'd probably just make a secret deal with them about how we're not actually at war and hope that the libs win so i can get more free money and i'll split it with russia like i was doing before GLUMPF took power
>>538533752>wishful thinking K you win I guess
>>538533596>russia can't even manage the resources it already hasClearly Ukraine can't manage the resources it has, if it can't defend them. It was not even able to exert control over the coal-rich DPR and LPR since 2014, and that was even BEFORE the RuAF intervened.
>>538529446probably never antagonize russia in the first place. i wouldnt let nato stage weapons there and id let the parts owned by the ukraine go to russia considering those places consistently voted to secede from the ukraine and those places were pretty much all russians speaking russian.you know. putins original request at the very start of this whole thing that would've prevented all this needless death and destruction.but hey, those jews demanded Greater Israel be cleared of goyim, and jewlenskyyiv just couldnt resist!
>>538533710ukraine gleefully threw it self into the meatgrinder doing the demon-wojack face of murder-death-kill falsely believing they could make such a mess of the war it would drag the US in...when in reality everyone was simply content to watch ukraine brutally and savagely slaughter its entire male population to LOSE territory "it didnt even want" in the slowest, most humiliating and grinding way possible
>>5385336544 or 8 years in advance?
>>538533729>Crimea after Russiakek, russia after russiathere are still about 75,000 communal apartments, the Stalin era style, in moscow, and about 55,000 in st. peterburg. Why can't russia fix russia?
>>538533713>You’re also acting like NATO is losing anything in this. It’s notwhat the fuck are you talking about nigger?nato lost the totality of europes nato military and would literally be disbanded already if Trump could act unilaterallythe european pussies insisting the nato charade continue on are on borrowed time
>>538533804>John from Texas oblast heredid you just wake up from coma?
>>5385339551.5 million USD in US
>>538533820One solid an well planned offensive even with relatively small numbers would collapse the whole russian defense when the panic spreads. It would be worth the risk, as it would shorten the conflict significantly and prevent russia from recovering if they manage to adapt to the supply distruptions.
>>538533713NATO has lost credibility, lost billions in weaponry, lost the image of technological superiority, and is in a general constant state of crisis over energy, security, and standard of living. The only reason NATO is keeping the war going is that it’s run by pencil pushers who want to launder the money and can’t deal with being unpopular, even if it literally kills the entire planet to just admit they lost something. They’re unreliable, unstable, and ultimately ineffective at anything other than prolonging the conflict. Their help has not materialized into real victories. Their influence has resulted in massive losses. Their most capable member outside of the US (who is actively winding down their involvement), is Turkey. Do you not understand how dire that situation is? The European economy is circling the drain and their governments can’t hold on to power. It’s absolutely costing NATO.
>>538533780>it's frivolous to point out that russia can't even manage to fix their own shit, but invades other countries in order "to fix the shit" there.get the fuck out of here, pidrila.
>>538534075Russia has no fuel though.
>>538533820>Destroying supply lines is also what they’re doing now with things like the Hornet to great effect.its having zero effect and ukraine is collapsing everywhere on the actual contact line>>538533923however long it takes for the last ukroid male willing to hold the gun is alive>>538533955lmao for the same reason detroit or gary and some ward in new olreans cant
>>538533536>Just keep droning Russia and Crimea until they leave the country, if that means indefinitely so be itIt ends one way or another. If not by some negotiated settlement, then by Russia expanding the security zone to the Polish border. You cannot launch drones indefinitely if you hold no territory to launch them from.
>>538534107>Russia has no fuel though.afu in Moscow when?
>>538533982Christ, you are one big retard KEK. >T-Trump would heckin disband you guyz!!No, he’s not retarded like you and has expanded NATO more than any of his recent predecessors.
>>538533804RsARE
>>538529446Invest in swarms of drones which they already doService guarantees citizenship and land in the east for anyone from anywhere on earth if you survive a tour of 2 years (fill up ranks)Find submarine and send some divers to the kerch bridge to place heavy charges somewhere near the foundations. Post monkeh memes from the official government twitter to undermine enemy resolve.Officially declare that if the war starts going poorly, you will target russian reactor cores instead of refineries so they can play stalker for realMass drone assault on putins black sea home Formally declare war. Declare it a holy war, great patriotic war and mass mobilizationAlternative,withdraw from donbass in exchange for peace and US troops at the border.Be happy that you lost your vatnik regions. Build a ukrainian ethno state. Debase currency to cover debt. Then issue a new gold backed one. (after collecting and using some marshall plan payment from Europe.)
>>538534181nato will literally cease to exist the moment the ukrainian surrender documents are signed at the bottom line
>>538529446Swift and precise Marine landings in Kherson !Once those pesky Ivans see the boys move with a purpose they all just faint of sheer envy and win !Also the budget is getting tight again so lets send our most inexperienced troops into the jaws of Russian Spetsnaz in Kursk one againedit: thank you for the gold stranger ! 2nd edit: I am a olduser who was here since 2023
>>538534160How can a modern country function without fuel?
>>538529446>what would you do to defeat Russia on the field?what hasnt been done already? I m pretty sure we ve seen every dumb strategy realized only to have absolutely zero or for the most part, negative effect on the battlefield. >wunderwaffles?Came out like marvel movies every 2 weeks>fortress cities?bakhmut stands>counter-offensive?Beach party post-poned indefinitely>small incursions?(((russian))) nationalists are now residing in germany because of jewish roots>Kursk incursion?Literally larped ww2 version with the same outcome>refiniriesso far only affects civilians for the most part. Nothing suprising since army usually uses diesel with their own supply
>>538533839Kherson status? Kupyansk status? Redpill me on how theyre gone mr rusngger.>>538534056This type of homes is considered ghetto and subsidied housing for niggers. Its mostly free and well fit for people like russians.
>>538534198>withdraw from donbass in exchange for peace and US troops at the border.there is no scenario on earth where this happens.ukraine has a better chance that everyone hits the lottery or a meteor strikes Putin on his headnafo wishes are beyond childish and pathetic
>>538534107And yet they advance with donkeys in a modern conflict against NATOs economy and biggest military assets. Say whatever you want about Russia, they’re a disorganized mess pussyfooting the war at great personal cost, but they’re holding and slowly gaining. That’s more than Ukraine can say.
>>538534258>How can a modern country function without fuel?Russia has 12 time zones and is the largest energy extractor on the planet, does ukraine truly honestly believe that dropping Gazproms Quarterly profits will actually literally end the war?they believe this?
>>538529446Draw my soldiers as gigachads and my enemies as basedjaks.
>>538534288>meteor strikes Putin on his headPeople expecting that after Putin dies some woke liberal will take his place when in reality we've seen with Prigozhin as demo version what comes next.
>>538533889>It was not even able to exert control over the coal-rich DPR and LPR since 2014The facts tell a completely different story than your imagination. pootin is still stuck in Donetsk region, which he cant conquer in 4.5 years, so Ukraine obviously can defend its land. Ukraine never claimed to be "the second military in the world", russia did and it can't even beat Ukraine in a land war. Ukraine was a neutral contry which russia agreed not to invade in exchange for Ukraine giving up nukes. Ukraine wasn't preparing for a war with russia, the guarantor of its sovereignty and territorial integrity. russia broke over 400 international and bilateral treaties and agreements, and so on and so forth.
>>538529446SEND IN THE PREGNANT WOMEN !!!EVEN THEIR CHILDREN !SALO UKRAINIYIV !
>>538534075NATO sending weapons to be used on Russians and Russia is not waste. It is the exact intended purpose of those weapons. The US has greatly expanded its defense manufacturing base since this war started. I genuinely don’t understand how retarded some of you must be to talk about fiat and weapons cost for the west but then taut it as a win for Russia. All of Russia’s recent growth has come from their wartime economy. Stop being such pansies. As for wins, the win for Ukraine is being Russia’s Vietnam or Afghanistan.
I'd do exactly what they are doing, assuming I don't get access to full NATO support and have to make do with limited manpower and material.Russia will simply absorb battlefield casualties at a rate Ukraine cannot hope to match, and it's stupid and risky to think you can simply walk away from every battle with little or no casualties.So defense in depth with strategic attacks on Russian fuel industry targets, and logistics nodes, is the only viable long term strategy barring full scale NATO involvement or Russia collapsing into civil war.
>>538533713>push Russia into a military alliance with the biggest manufacturing power in the world>Chink special forces embeds observing all the Western weapons systems and taking notesGREAT SUCCESS
>>538533955>Why can't russia fix russia?Why can't America fix America? You ever seen Detroit?
>>538534226Okay buddy
>>538533710Zelensky as an ally is a political curse. So far ukraine has drone struck Romania, Turkey, Poland, Latvia, and I think Estonia and Lithuania? This little nigger really is swinging his dick around.>Latvian Prime Minister Evika Silina has announced her resignation amid a government crisis caused by an incident involving Ukrainian kamikaze drones hitting an oil depot near the Russian border.>Silina announced the decision at a press briefing on Thursday. Just hours earlier, Interior Minister Rihards Kozlovskis, a member of Silina’s liberal-conservative Unity party, stated that the prime minister has no intention of leaving office. Meanwhile, the opposition was planning a procedural maneuver to circumvent the five-day pause required under Latvian law before a request for a no-confidence vote is granted.>The crisis in the Baltic state was triggered by an incident last week in which two Ukrainian long-range kamikaze drones hit an empty oil depot near the town of Rezekne, around 40 km from the Russian border. No casualties were reported on the ground.
>>538529446I would simply overwhelmed the ziggers with sheer numbers. I would press gang every single Ukrainian man woman and child and send them in massive 1 million hohol waves until putlers fascist army runs out of ammo.
>>538534300nato isnt even there yet, you will know when they arrive because russian will then fuck off as if thats what they always intended
>>538534451>omg what if Russia and China become allies!?The absolute state of zoomers
>>538534437>Russia will simply absorb battlefield casualties at a rate Ukraine cannot hope to match, and it's stupid and risky to think you can simply walk away from every battle with little or no casualties.works great so far. Thats why we see bussifications and age of mobilisation was dropped from 30 something to 25 in Ukraine
>>538534113>no you ... look at detroit and garymoscow and st. peterburgh are the two capitals of russia, the main cities where all the money is siphoned to from the rest of the country. They're supposed to be some super advanced cities by russian standards.
>>538534451>allianceRussia and China have had a strategic partnership since the Cold War and their current alliance was established before you were born, retarded jeet.
Import 8-10 million Indians
>>538534256>Swift and precise Marine landings in Kherson !Already been tried. Look up the since memoryholed Krynky bridgehead.If you're willing to throw away AFU lives to create a media "victory" by saying you've crossed the Dnieper, you can certainly do that, and Zelenskyy did do that. But then what do you do? Just sit there and die without any ability to expand the bridgehead and push south? You need mechanized forces to do that. Unlike mere soldiers that's not so easy to ferry across the river, and you also need to be able to support the logistics of it. Very hard to do without bridges and all that.
>>53853369975% of the muslims in Moscow are there on work visas. As soon as they start to chimp out they can be kicked out with minimum effort. Think there are 1.5 million immigrants. They only have 4 mosques in Moscow and muslim news is always bitching about it. Dont believe the fake news here. Russia vets people on work visas and they have to have a sponser with a job lined up.
>>538529446I would surrender to save my people from the genocide being perpetrated right now by (((Zelensky)))
offer to feed them if they'll defect
>>538534433You said it came at no cost, weaponry is objectively a cost, energy prices and standards of living are objectively a cost. You denigrating a war to “well at least corporations are making money” is just sad. The lost of reputation and trust is also incredibly bad for the alliance itself. As another anon said, NATO may just dissolve if it loses the war, as the entire point of being involved in Ukraine since the Maidan was a conflict that they were supposed to either prevent or help win. That simply isn’t happening and it will become existential to NATO as an organization if it cannot fulfill its promises and it cost the involvement of its major paymaster/military, as well as the tensions between members with Turkey doing just generally whatever it wants. Saying there’s no cost is just wrong.
>>538534692>>538534630https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Soviet_splitDuring the Cold War Western policy makers were massively relieved by this because it was considered a disaster for Russian natural resources to be combined with Chinese industry. Retarded neocons have now achieved this without even giving it a thought
>>538532935I couldn’t tell a Russian from a Ukrainian from a Polak apart in a lineup if you put a gun to my head
>>538529446>If you were placed in charge of Ukraine’s militaryI would initiate a coup against the govt and start executing politicians and oligarchs publicly. Year zero horror shit.
>>538534787>Dont believe the fake news hereI’m ignoring whatever you pulled out of your ass.
>>538534692No they are natural rivals. They were only sort of friendly because of communism and that only lasted until the 70s
>>538534620The whole “I’m not hitting you” thing has been incredibly feminine and childish.
>>538529446I continue droning their refineries and cargo ships.
>>538534893>sino-soviet splitBro please.. at least wait until you get to the 90s in your high school history class before you start giving geopolitical strategy lessons.
>>538534947>I couldn’t tell a Russian from a Ukrainian from a Polak apart in a lineup if you put a gun to my headAs an American, you are also unable to tell the difference between Iraq and Iran, but you'd still be willing to fight either and/or both of them on behalf of Israel.
>>538529446I will keep doing what they are doing, as it's the best strategy so far, and then further invest into opic fiber UGVs and maybe making some deal with the chinese which would convince them to put Russia under full spectrum sanctions.
>>538534672>They're supposed to be some super advanced cities by russian standards.they are good cities for the most part. SPb only downside is its public transport thats too tight. But 2 backalleys? are you to say all centuries old buildings in america are prestine or something?
>>538529446i would oops every refinery in russia until they can't handle the pain and agree to leave us alone. maybe oops putin and his chabad buddies too for good measure
From a pure military perspective, not much you could do better than what they are doing now desu.A slow fighting retreat from areas pressed by the ziggers, whilst probing for gains elsewhere, simultaneously attacking critical infrastructure with long range missile/drones.Historically, I wouldn't have made a blunder summer counteroffensive a few years ago. Who the fuck thought telling your enemy you're going to attack 6 months in advance is a good idea? That would have saved a few ten ks of Ukrainian casulties at least.
>>538535109I could probably tell them apart actually
>>538535060i told lbj the same thing and to not fall for the bombing halts because they only wanted time to rebuild their A/D and had no intention of really seeking peace.
>>538534970Its a 100% true nafo troon.Russia doesnt just take in unwashed illiterate shitskins like the EU and USA does. Biden took in like 12.million.
>>538532626We already saw that video of that doggo fucking a drunk vatnigger like you, no further need to degrade yourself with meme dogges.
>>538534890You sound genuinely retarded or naive. NATO hasn’t been this strong in DECADES. Invading Ukraine in a bogged trench war and creating justification for NATO at a time when many were contemplating if it outlived its usefulness was the one bad decision Putin could’ve made and he did exactly that. Two new states joined NATO. Trump has beefed up funding. NATO base in the US has an entire new wing being built.
>>538535088>the geostrategic genius of Ukraine
>>538535249Ok tranny
>>538535261>let donbass and crimea "secede" (get taken over by russia)>russia attacks anyway
>>538535261>trusting PUCCIA to honour its wordExtremely low effort post.
>>538535009>>538535261You people are historically illiterate.
>>538529446wait for the allys to save me
>>538529446just copy the last guy lollmao
>>538535258>NATO hasn’t been this strong in DECADESYou are nothing but a kike bomb salesmen. Its obvious you want WW3 to kick off. Is it because you will never be a woman?The combined national debt of NATO members is 60 trillion dollars and currently skyrocketing.Good luck with that strength on loan from the jews and you better make that 1.5 trillion dollar interest payment on time.
>>538535358ukraine were bombing them constantly from 2014 onwards fucking lying leaf
>>538535358>>538535367>>538535396Its the best option considering that there is no viable pathway for Ukraine to actually retake the territory they've lost. Everyone in these threads just dodges that topic like mad
>>538529446Assassination. Yes that person. No, YOU lost tranny.
>>538535540or else what? who they gonna send to collect, ill rape that motherfucker and send him back?
>>538535564Actually Trump made them stop from 2017 to 2020. If you look at the UN reports during that time all the deaths were from Obama mines and unexploded ordnance. It was a condition for those javalins.They started shelling Donbas again on the 19th of Feb 2022 so Russia invaded on the 24th.
>>538535564>if you bomb foreign invaders... they win!Omsk status?>>538535570Continue destroying Russia's industry until it collapses. Crimea now has rolling blackouts. We're going to continue pouring money into Ukraine, which they will continue converting into drones, which will destroy Russia. We are paying for Russia's demolition and you can't do anything about it.
>>538535882Crimea is powered by nuclear reactors and natural gas, faggot shill.>Ukraine relies heavily on nuclear energy, generating about half of its electricity from 15 reactors, but this does not include Crimea.
>>538529446surrender. The only thing that further fighting accomplishes is more deaths of ukrainians. Imagine fighting for western faggotry. Your minimum salary will be 50 cents more after 10 years of war where all your friends will die and get replaced by pajeets.
>>538535994Why the blackouts? And why the crippling fuel shortages? You lost, sergei.
>>538535998They’re fighting for their country. Both westerners and Russians overplay the NATO angle. 99% of Ukrainians aren’t fighting for some obscure western ideal. Nationalism is what gets men to fight. Posting a nafo tranny söyjak isn’t gonna change a Ukrainian’s mind.
>>538536260The 99% of Ukrainians who are still in the country, at least.
>>538535261>1741826953686976.pngEven Scenario B is overly optimistic for how this is likely to ultimately end. Russia will probably annex a few more oblasts before all is said and done.
>>538535882>Russia will collapse in 2 weeksThe problem is you've been saying this since 2022
>>538535511Losing slowly =/= WinningNot only do the Russians continuously advance, but the rate at which they do so is also increasing. It was slowed at first by Ukraine's manpower and the dense fortifications, but when that wall is gone its gone.
>>538536437>The problem is you've been saying this since 2022We even have the receipts to prove it, if anyone has any doubts.
>>538536166Why did they use the exact same fuel shortage propaganda last year?Its a recycled narrative.August 2025https://www.hydrocarbonprocessing.com/news/2025/08/russias-idle-oil-refining-capacity-record-high-after-ukrainian-drone-attacks/>Damage from Ukrainian drone attacks and extensive planned maintenance have sent Russia's offline oil refining capacity to a record high in August, Reuters calculations show, though working sites are likely to spur output to help mitigate the impact.>Ukraine has stepped up its drone attacks on Russia's refineries and export infrastructure this month, striking Russia's biggest source of funding while the United States seeks to broker a peace deal between Moscow and Kyiv.
>>538536642Actually yeah it does mean you're winning, when your enemy can only capture 1% of your territory in 4 years of war with like 1.5 million losses, thats a pretty huge victorySeethe about it
>>538529446Can someone fill me in on this what is this war about what is the goal? I haven't really paid any attention to it
>>538536786>Actually yeah it does mean you're winning, when your enemy can only capture 1% of your territory in 4 years of war with like 1.5 million losses, thats a pretty huge victory>Seethe about itI thought Ukraine was fighting to restore their 1991 borders, NOT to lose even more territory "slowly".
>>538529446Pincer maneuver through Belarus and Vladivostok.
Launch Gorilla Warfare Against India for giving them a life line by buying their/selling their Oil. But that's how we know it's a theater/Show to depopulate all sides So Jews from New York have their holy land. Why don't you fucking ever say or do something about how It's fucking India propping up Russia. China isn't all in because they could be at war one day. But the Hindu's try to play all sides while White people kill each other both to the delight of the kikes and them. Don't you already have them flooding in, yet not fighting? Fucking retard Euro's.
>>538529446Way earlier in the war I wouldnt sacrifice my zealot niggers, but I would have them bloodied and then move them behind the front for special tasking and border units. The entire objective would be to delay the enemy and only act in limited counter offensives to force strategic retreats like up in Kherson, in an effort to stack new recruits across the entire Dniepr. Using the river instead of getting caught “in the fields” of eastern Ukraine to maintain my numbers long enough that foreign powers on my side bolsters the presence of my defensive strategy while doing something psychotic like strategizing a multi-year construction of aj underground tunnel or some shit for some viet cong tier invasion of crimea. At least my leopard tanks and shit would last longer and basically everyone is holding chokepoints
>>538534330How does their number of time zones help them with their fuel situation?
>>538536895Make the goyim root for the death of one of their entire sub-races while impotently parroting our dispositions on other races to solidify that it’s the right way to feel except people pretending to be white aren’t so..
>>538529446I'd give Russia everything it wanted and join BRICS.
>>538529446I'd just surrender and get it over with. The ukies are not a homogenous race, they mostly speak russian, and are primarily russia-tier slavs, to begin with. The vast majority of them don't even care about ukraine anyways, and would be just as happy being part of russia. Also, why bother fighting, if blackcock is going to own everything after the war, anyways? And the politicians will fill the place with niggers n jeets? Way i see it, i'd be doing those miserable ukie fucks a favor..
>>538537590And unfortunately that’s such a horrific slippery slope that what’s happening to them right now is a favor to. The we’re about to be raped from within anyways and be 80 year old faggots getting punched by niggers in retirement homes tier shit. Ukraine was and has been already fucked up, zog pozzing ontop sounds… bad.
>>538538022Is a favor too*Polite corrective sage
>>538530463delusional nafoid
>>538538022Yep. Evil people are in charge anon. Exceedingly anti-ethnic European people are. I bet you can guess who
>>538531318Remember when the Epstein pedophile president and his kike master bombed Iran so hard that the people were going to rise up and overthrow the IRGC? They bombed refineries, bridges, even school for little girls. Remember how the strait of Hormuz was Opened supposedly but traffic was 0 and Iran kept it shut down? Pepperidge farm remembers. >just keep bombing brobrilliant strategy lmao
>>538538316Okay but Russia has no fuel and no need to remember because it's happening right now.
Why doesn't America just nuke Russia? The fuck is Putin gonna do?
>>538530496You won't get an answer from the zignog shills infesting this thread; I think it's a good strategy to pursue currently however, that taking out refineries degrades Russia's already dogshit military capability, that it's useful to help turn the Russian population, basically dumb fucking cattle, against the war also. This strategy seems pretty fucking obvious; on its own it might just finish Russia off, possibly that fucking faggot Putin as well.
>>538538609Yeah Ukraine shouldn't deal with bullshit negotiations, or costly offensives to liberate their territory. Just make clear that Russians don't get to have fuel until they leave Ukraine and agree to appropriate reparations package.
>>538538447he'd send an angry press release and then send a gesture of goodwill to his partners
>>538538316>>538538366cargo cult niggerism in motion :"uh oh i've been had better pivot to whattabout america real quick" lol, bricskins are defined by their self comparison to america and the rage that the disparity induces in them as a result.
>>538535261I love how everyone just ignores the obvious: federalization. Ukraine renounces NATO membership and commits to neutrality, allows each oblast to elect its own governor and representatives like states do in the US for example. In return they get to keep the Donbas AND Crimea. There is no war. They could've had a pretty good deal as late as April-may 2022 as well...
>>538538812"whataboutAmerica" has been the national religion of Russia since 1945 basically
absolute bagshitter meltdown ITT
they're doing the best thing that can be achieved: attack vatnik logistics.
>>538538708that's the most retarded shit I've read here today. That's not how it works and it has never worked. The russian military remains unaffected because they get priority, Ukraine won't be able to keep that up indefinitely and the population will just blame the west and ukraine, thus increasing support for the military. Russia is not going to pull out and honestly, even if they did, which they won't, you'd just gain a bunch of damaged land with hostile populations. Why the fuck would you even bother? Ukraine doesn't even have the means to repair and maintain the things they have, why would you even want that? At this point they're just clinging onto nonsensical ideals to justify the largest national suicide of the 21st century
>>538539333>That's not how it works and it has never worked.I know, that's why it's a new idea of mine they should try, instead of do as has done before. Enforce a no fuel zone one Russia. Why wouldn't it work? I mean it already is...
>>538529446land mines, barbed wire, and focus all training and R&D on fpv drones, then watch the vatniks struggle and bleed themselves to death like a pig stuck in barbed wire.so pretty much what the ukranians are doing right now.
>>538539464just like how ensuring ukrainians had a cold and blackout-riddled christmas in 2022 forced them to surrender, yeah?
>>538539333>you'd just gain a bunch of damaged land with hostile populationsalso, isn't that what Russia is trying to do now in Ukraine?>>538539514Oh I don't think they will surrender. I never said anything about surrender. I said "go back to Russia". No fuel until they do that. If Russians want to go back to the 19th century, great. It might be better for them, who knows? Amish do well.
Operation Barbarosa
>>538538447Russia has been refurbishing thier 90,000 Soviet era bomb shelters since 2014.How come NATO member nations only build fallout shelters for thier politicians with tax money?
>>538539702Are they using the bomb shelters a lot now in Russia?
>>538539702https://www.survivopedia.com/fallout-shelters-across-the-us/>>538539569good way to turn supportive and indifferent russians into resolute hohol-haters
>>538539908Who cares if they hate? What difference does that make? The point is what do they hate more? Holhols or having no fuel.
>>538539960America tried and failed to bomb Iranians into overthrowing their government you dumb niggermutt kikeslave cow. That shit only works if your people are a bunch of subhuman bugmen whose sense of identity comes from conSOOOOOOMing material slop.
>>538540340That's why I'm saying Ukraine shouldn't do that but just impose a no fuel zone on Russia until they go back. Why wouldn't it work?
>>538535540Get roped troon
>>538540387they could always burn the corpses of dead /k/ommando warriors for fuel after raping them
>>538540619I don't think you can drive a car on that though, so they're gonna have to go back if they want fuel. It's gonna be hard on you when it happens, but better than not having fuel as you do now.
>>538538893making enemy live up to their own standards is one of the points made in rules for radicals
>>538540694>I don't think you can drive a car on that thoughmake a bicycle out of their bones, duh>but better than not having fuel as you do now.kek malding mutt, unfortunately I share a nationality with your brown chicanx ass
>>538529446send the jews and the EU oligarchs to the frontline
>>538540846>I share a nationality with your brown chicanx asspost timestamp and fuel gauge
>>538540846you're fooling no onedump some IMG_*.jpgs to seal the deal
>>538529446>Fighting for a kike in a made up countryWhat's the point?
>>538541265nice st george's ribbon
>>538539908Fiction
>>538541586you've been done
>WEBM RELATED/k/ niggers off their euro-pussy containment board posting "ukraine is winning!"
>>538541652Good luck faggot. They are full of water and mold.
>>538529446First of all, launching hundreds of most destructive drones at the mansions and possible current locations(brought by intelligence) of any russian politicians and their families. Without fear the high caste would not seek an end to the war. As well as launching drones on Belarus and threatening the invasion if they won't remove any intelligence and logistical help for russia(like how Zelensky did recently but even more harshly). Secondly fucking YOLO on trannystria without anyone's consent and sieze all their arsenals and killing demonstratively active soldier personnel(peace keepers who actually on salary and contract, not kids conscripts who were called) it will give +300% popularity even though Moldova and EU would seethe that it was undemocratic and they could negotiate.We are not talking about losses right? Then keeping the current defensive stance with the same level of busiffication.Launching something like 1000 drones at the Sadovoe Koltso area, would be funnier if Kremlin would get hit as well.Taunt ruzzians with nuclear weapons and ask them to launch it, as well as threaten they will regret this decision for the next millennia.Increase refinery bombings as much as you can, it's the only thing working against Oligarch strate, they won't care even if 5 millions of Russians would die on the front.Make some funny meme worth content for everyone to see, people are tired of this war and foreigners would have new engagements, it's a top tier gore live show for the rest of the world so they need sole laughs.Say you would do all above until they GTFO to pre 2014 positions.If they're going to negotiate, during the negotiation period halt all terrorising behaviour, record and reveal negotiations for the world, if something you don't like just say to the mass-media with recorded proof that you hate that specific thing and now you'll start launching drones again and again
>>538541717bagshitter, you seem really angry at the moment. are you angry because your warball team is winning?
>>538538708i love how retarded nafo troon-niggers think ukraine is in control of the escalation-dominance thing.>grrrrrrr if you dont surrender Russia you simply get no gas!! ha cheeckmate!!lmao, so why didnt ukraine do that 5 years ago?and why does ukraine think lowering Gazproms Q3 and Q4 profits willl some how magically make the Russian military withdraw or 'run out of gas'?like how does oil refinery fires restore the 1991 borders?lmao, Russia is 100% fully prepared to go at this on donkey and horse...is ukraine lmao?? what about (((nato)))?
>>538541816>bagshitter>>538539112>bagshitteroh noooooo not the discord troons!! nooooo discord trooons noooooooooo hes gunna ..... hes gunna..noooooooooooootice you!!! >"hey everyone!! its that guy we all know posting those things we dont like again!!!" cmon guys lets go to the desuarchive!!! and noooootice the FUCK out of him!!! hes doing a melty oopsie daisy stinky!! us ukraine chads dont like that! not one bit!!! discorders ASSEMBLE!!!!!lmao i cannot imagine the torrid hormonal hot flashing you must be going through rn.i bet your head is an absolute ocean of impotent rage, defeat, and the irresistable desire to self-harm while 'chat' cheers you on
>>538529446go fuck yourself glowie, we're not winning this war for you.
>>538542119bipolar giving you a hard time again?
>>538542281>bipolar giving you a hard time again?im 100% convinced you are literally sarah ashton cirillo If I got magically teleported to who Regis Philbins "who wants to be a millionaire?" show and they asked me>"who is the tranny /k/ pussy discorder IRL"and my choices were>"A: a random hormone addled troon"or>"D: literally sarah"after using my 50:50, id go with sarahthe absolute obsessive demented rage, and committment to self harm you have choosing the self flagellating masochism that the "ukraine is winning!" crowd is at levels that could only be the true "sarah"
>>538542515>>538542281you would definitely be the full breasted, lusty sarah too, all filled with hormones, rage and searing hate for "Ziggers" just wafting estrogen around the room for every giga-chad to start punching dry wall in heat from
>>538542515you're showing high self-awareness as always
>>538541027Every single one of your posts is the classic "I don't understand a thing and am retarded thus I must be right!" You should be embarrassed posting 34 fucking times in this format
>>538541862>lmao, so why didnt ukraine do that 5 years ago?lack of ability, obviously. but they have the ability now and russia can't stop them so why not do it?
>>538542812He couldn't post it though lmao.
>>538542634thank you for your service sarah>>538542812its a literal /k/ nigger discord troon>>538543018>Russia can't stop them so why not do it?lmao, i guess we'll see how long keev'ians can playing bomb-shelter hokey-pokey, but hey, they intercept 110/90 Russian cruise missiles, so im sure its a sustainable pace at this point. it will be a race to see who can delete the other guys gas stations before the other, LMAO, what a wild "peak london" game-board flipping ending
>>538531239>but Russia simply has the manpower to do anythingI would believe you 3-4 years ago, but do you think this is still the case?
>>538543165remember when you were chimping out at posters for being racist when they called you indian?
>>538543257>"without lights...or...WITHOUT YOU PUTLER??!!!"we've had a half decade of fun "ukraine is winning!" posting.... when its all over, and the ink dries on the "the ukraine surrendered!" papers and your discord channel disbands, and your hormones swing wildly out of hand for the final last time....just before you rope, I hope you think of (((me)))...ill still be *here* same as ever...but you wont....and "this place" just wont be the same without you fellas lmao
>>538543590was that you? pretty disgusting post if so
