People like Julius Evola, Oswald Spengler, and even Francis Parker Yokey argued against the purely materialist conception of race that was common amongst the nationalist right wing. They argued that race was just as much a spiritual phenomena as it was biological, and in some cases argued that this spiritual component was more important. Do you think their views had any validity or was it just bullshit? I have seen these views be mocked by the modern right as being used by people who want to associate themselves with fascistic politics but don't want to accept biological racism or want to compensate for not being white themselves.
>>538535195Jews will always defend the worst Jew over the best non-Jew. Whites should always side with the worst White over the best non-White.
100% complete bullshitEthnicity is literally everything, anything else is fluff for faggots who like sniffing their own farts
>>538535195>argued against the purely materialist conception of race which is retarded since the whole point of race is that of being material and verifiable. I am glad that fascism took a very clear position in favour of biological racism since 1938 and buried Evola into irrelevance.
>>538535477Same. Making race about IQ is what kikes do.
>>538535195Total horseshit. The whole point of race realism is that nobody can escape his genetics, which is a purely material matter. Certain combinations of genetics like indians are utterly incapable of spiritualityYou're right to suspect that a lot of this in the modern day comes from nonwhites coping- a lot of them tend to be religious larpers trying to insert the supernatural in places where it doesn't exist or belong
>>538535195They argued agains because they know (since it is self-evident) that worthy browns, nigs, yellows or whatever exists and cannot be considered the same as the common rabble, this doens't mean that they loved shitskins or worshipped them, besides they are not anti-semitic too...
>>538535313>>538535477>>538535890>>538536241agreed but evola has some interesting takes on the mystical nonethelesshis spiritual race shit is stupid though
>>538535313>>538535477>>538536241I like Evola fine, but these anons are correct. His whinging on these points are easily his weakest rhetoric.
>>538536952Is there a reason as to why specifically he came to that conclusion? All of the guys I listed here wouldn't have any real motive to come up with some loophole to avoid racial purity politics, they were all white guys themselves, and Yokey in particular dedicated his whole life to white nationalist politics. I find it curious. Even Jonathan Bowden expressed sympathy with Evola's tripartite idea of race.
>>538536820All that matters is being able to produce white children. Metaphysics of whiteness like Rassenseele is real but it is ephemeral in the grand scheme of things.
>>538537223>All that matters is being able to produce white children.So is it okay to have a child with someone who is a light skinned black person who looks white and has white features but just happens to have a grandparent who was black? Would they be considered white? Would their child?
>>538535195If you mean "in all ways except physical I am white" then no, if you mean "racial soul" then yes
>>538535195>when you take that step back and notice the distinction is fucking meaninglessThe spiritual is biological.
>>538535313Spengler warned you, he even gave you the aproximate time to your demise and how Hitler was a complete retard, and we all know how well it ended.
>>538537307Never seen a quadroon who could pass as white
>>538537721I believe in Evolas case he still believed biological ancestry mattered, he just felt it wasn't the most important aspect. For instance, someone could be 100% European genetically but in terms of their temperament and values could be spiritually of another race and vice versa. I believe he said that ideally these things would be in unison with each other but that since we live in a degenerated world the spiritual should take precedence.
>>538535195Coon made the most coherent argument regarding race. That color changes easily but what's in the bones shows an individual's origins.
They say that because inevitably youll meet a retarded/criminal/insane white person but also decent brown people.
>>538538012Temperament and values in a modern context is meaningless. White men have been told violence is bad for the past 100 years. Before that Whites were a violent and brutal warrior race.
>>538535195I agree, if a woman is spiritually a nigger, or worse, believes herself and her own blood inferior, she will move to Africa and become a nigger sex slave.
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>>538535195The Copy-Creation of the Demiurge Jehovah, his evolutive Universe, was incapable of creating conscious man. He got to monkeys and ended up mired in the mud. All the way to hominids. It was the traitor Hyperborean divyas who enabled Jehovah to give a modicum of soul and rational consciousness to his evolved monkey, to his slaves of Atlantis. The Aryan hosts have penetrated from beyond the borders of this Universe, warriors and warrioresses. To "crucify themselves" on the four realms of the demiurgic creation they have overturned the entire demonic plan, much like the Demiurge did when he altered the divine purity from the "fifth heaven and below." The vîras, on mixing "with the daughters of men," also rescued a sudra element, making possible even the transmutation of some humans into vîras, into Supermen, together with the transfiguration of nature, with her animal and vegetal kingdoms. One can see why the Great War is life or death. Eternal Life or definitive death and dissolution.
>>538535195You cannot fixate on race because it's like when troons fixate on the degeneracy spectrum.It's a way to purity spiral and cause conflict.You have to operate via laws. What are those laws? There's only one set of laws. It's Jewish law.
>>538537166Evola was deeply occultish/spiritual in all his writings, so I think he just didn't like the idea of a purely material universe with no souls in it, which the idea of biological-only race runs to. He was also really into ideas like "nobility" which are well served with the idea of noble souls; to me it felt like he was leaning into some Gnostic-esque hylic/pneumatic/whatever stratification of people/souls. I don't think he writes out anything exactly like that idea in his books (it's been a while) but similar things are in there.I liked him best when he was more about spiritual approaches to life in this world.
>>538537900Spengler's pretty depressing though. Spengler was the ultimate nothing-ever-happens Chud, except more like >Nothing COULD happen except the endless cycle of history which you have no input on.Which ironically could loop you back around to "Ride the Tiger" as to how to live your life.
>>538538405It's cool that a major Western Buddhist (forgot which but you can find out about him at Barnes & Noble for sure lol) got his start with Evola's book on Buddhism considering that it does the whole Aryan racial mysticism thing. You know, it's almost as if back then people could APPRECIATE OTHERS THEY OCCASIONALLY DISAGREED WITH AND WEREN'T AFRAID OF BEING (((CANCELED))) OVER A PROSCRIBED BELIEF. But anyway, the concept of a mystical or spiritual aspect to race creates a chink in the armor that the Jews can get through, so it would be best to not fall into such nonsense.
>>538535195The Nazi worldview as communicated in literature to the SS was that the body is a manifestation of the soul. I certainly wouldn't categorize that as "materialist" since it's not an exclusion of the spiritual but an inclusion of it in explanation of the material. Also there is the notion of the "racial soul" which becomes more apparent to me with every passing day
>>538538012>For instance, someone could be 100% European genetically but in terms of their temperament and values could be spiritually of another race and vice versa. I believe he said that ideally these things would be in unison with each other but that since we live in a degenerated world the spiritual should take precedence.Sounds like troonery. I'm sure that there have been more than a few weebs out there that fetishized Japan so much that they ended up thinking they were spiritually Asian. Lord knows there was enough fiction/movies/whatever out there for them to jack off to. But it was all just tranny faggotry.
>>538535195“Spiritual race” is just a fancy word for religion.
>>538538012>spiritual should take precedencepicrel, Nazi community moderator note
>>538535195He's right, physical characteristics are just a proxy, a pragmatic away to discriminate people which is correct more often than not. Because it's not like you can know the inner spirit of someone by just looking at them, but you can know what race they are with a decent enough degree of certainty, and with that you can create a general profile that's probably going to be accurate enough in enough instances that it's useful to keep in mind. Racialism as an ideology is retarded though because it places more importance on the outer manifestation instead of the inner spirit. It confuses something that's a proxy for being casual. Blackness for example doesn't cause criminality, criminality is associated with blackness because physiognomy is a reflection of an inner spirit.
>>538537166Because traditionalism does not agree with the populist right wing, either the civnat or the ethnonat. Nationalism is plebian, traditional societies were not nationalist, they were aristocratic.
>>538535195>what is the Sonderweg?an alternative to the dualisms running rampant in Western thought
>>538541443Geist oder blut?both
>>538535195when the jew separates the youth from their fathers, they make them unaryan. the youth doesnt even know their own ancestors values and culture, they dont understand its peoples art and dont speak its language, they become a different people.but blood is still the most important factor, especially because of all this forementioned, a foreigner cant adopt the strange culture properly, you have to be it.
have another
>>538541443>>538541613>>538544182What's this from?
>>538544734a wonderfully insightful book
>>538545013I'm sure I'll have a lot of fun finding a copy.
>>538535195I don't give a fuck about those cunts opinions they cucked out after ww2.
>>538535195Did they say a nigger can be white spiritually?
>>538545139there's a copy on the internet archive. it's also available at major online retailers. i got a hardcover from Barnes and Noble a couple weeks ago. i suppose because he doesn't really discuss "da joos"--he just traces the evolution of the ideology/philosophy during the Third Reich-- the censors figure it's fine to sell, as a historical record or whatnot
>>538545278I took this from Yockeys wiki, I think it's relevant>Yockey was virulently racist and despised black people and Jews.[77][78] However, Yockey was not a scientific racist, and did not believe in biological race, viewing it to be a "materialist" interpretation; he instead believed race was a spiritual matter, rather than one of skin color or phenotype.[79][80] In Yockey's view, some white people were spiritually racially Jewish, while some "Jews have adopted Western feelings and thereby acquired Western race".[81] Hence he believed that "any man who shares the feeling of this Mission, and any group which shares it, regardless of the derivation of the man or group", would share in the "crusade" of the white man, and so become white in a spiritual sense.[82] As a result, the mixed-race neo-Nazi Leo Felton (half black, half white), and the Jewish neo-Nazi Dan Burros, were fascinated by and advocated Yockey and his writings, viewing Yockey's ideology as a way to justify their path.
>>538545991>big-tent aryan crusadeall his nazis niggas
>>538545991Who wrote this?
