>>538556108
good, fuck this american colony and fuck america

>>538556108
>they bought shiny rocks

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>>538556108
High-end EV's still use Nickel in their batteries though but they don't sell nearly as much as BYD low cost entry models so yeah, Indogs are fucked.

In fact, everyone is cutting their investments/purchases of nickle from Indonesia to the point that its hurting indogs credit ratings. kek

BYD catches on fire if you look at them angrily, hope this breakthrough fixes that. It's a fiery inferno waiting to burn your entire family.

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>>538556793
But then why did Toyota form a JV with BYD?
https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/corporate/32126024.html

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>>538556108
i 1000% guarantee the hype about byd batteries is pure garbage
same people last year were trying to sell us on deepseek breakthroughs that evaporated

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>>538556911
Because BYD wants Toyota's non-catch-on-fire battery tech.

>>538557185
Toyota doesn't have such tech. Chinese were actually caught stealing LG's battery safety packaging tech and they got sued and lost.

>>538556108
how does China keep advancing in battery tech meanwhile we cant even build a single battery plant in the west? Its ridiculous.

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>>538557185
Toyota doesn't have proper BEV tech. They make hybrids and ICE.
https://electrek.co/2025/01/13/byd-beat-toyota-ev-sales-home-turf-2024/

>>538557240
Compared to BYD, they definitely have non-catch-on-fire tech.

>>538557296
over-regulation, governmental incompetence, and an over-reliance on importing wage slaves versus training up the native population
most people do not understand Generational Warfare Theory
they think that just because bombers aren't flying overhead, that a war isn't currently being fought in the Western world
but a war is being fought, and it takes the form of institutional capture by a Neomarxist fifth column hellbent on toppling the entirety of society, and then finally using an Intersectionalist race war to kill the 'oppressors', who just-so-happen to be the native European people
the infiltrators are in government, academia, the military, the police, in Brussels, etc.
many don't even realise they're useful idiot slaves to Neomarxian ideology
most people are programmed to turn off their brains when they even hear the word, like a 'fnord'

if you have any queries why we're not doing the things we could be doing, the above is why

>>538557330
Because they're selling them at an incredibly low price compared to the cars that do not catch on fire. BYD is the best selling car in Israel, but they probably don't care that the batteries catch on fire and burn the vehicle down.

>>538557330
Toyota as the biggest and most successfull car maker of the world doesn't want (B)EVs and thats a based thing.
Fuck EVs and TKD

>>538557615
That article is about sales in Japan. How many EV fires did Japan have?

>>538556108
Nickel is still better iron for anything construction related, it will always be useful

>>538557185
CATL just started producing sodium ion batteries. Lithium ion cars are dead.

>>538557744
Meant for >>538557640

>>538557641
Don't know, don't care, they catch on fire, you're brown.

>>538558018
But Japanese are buying BYD over Toyota. Wonder why?

>>538558044
They really aren't. Source: I'm Japanese.

>>538557744
>China
Buys their own chinkmobiles
>USA
See China
>Middle east
Who cares
The question remains
>Are the drop in sales due to EVs?
The question doesn't count for China because they now buy their own cars

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>>538558123
I meant BEVs. Toyota is still the global leader in overall sales. Japanese are buying more BYD BEVs than Toyota.
>>538558138
>Are the drop in sales due to EVs?
Yes. EV sales are rising even for Toyota. Their overall sales are falling because cars other than EVs are not selling as much. But Toyota is very far behind when it comes to EVs, so they can't prop up their sales yet, hence the fall.
https://thedriven.io/2026/07/02/toyotas-global-ev-sales-surge-even-as-overall-sale-numbers-fall/

>>538558232
You literally never see a BYD on the streets in Japan. It's always Toyotas.

>>538558123
Japs don't speak English but nice try

>>538556108
China is absolutely ass raping the free market and nobody knows what to do because it involves not being a corrupt piece of shit and treating this situation as an economic war, which it is.

>>538558232
>For May, Toyota (including its Lexus brand) saw sales of 834,279
>Conversely, Toyota and Lexus saw total BEV global sales reach 37,313
>834,279
vs
>37,313
Oh yeah, massive increase, maximum increase, ICE is owari da
Kek
Car sales are dropping everywhere because no one has money left to spend.
Those that do are mostly whamen who go along with every shit the kikes present
Those who buy EVs soon see that it's a bottomless money pit. The cars deprecate faster than milk gets sour

>>538558508
We're talking about falling sales, not absolute numbers. Their ICE sales are down and EV sales are up.
Toyota is very far behind in EV tech. Their sales are a very small fraction of the EV market. On the other hand, their ICE sales are the highest in the world. Of course the difference between those numbers is going to be high.

>>538558656
But how you account for the fact that you shit in the street?

>>538556108
Good, fuck Indonesia, and fuck India, too.

>>538558656
>Through the first five months of 2026, total BEV sales have reached 155,074
>Total BEV sales 155k
I guess thats the reason why india is THE economic power house of the world

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>>538558689
>hurr durr why imported japan worker shit in street durr

SHUT THE FUCK UP! WE NEED INDIANS TO WIN AGAINST CHINA YOU STUPID FUCKING WUMAO

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>>538558856
Foolish mortal. That doesn't work on Japanese, only Chinese insectoids who get in trouble if they have it in their phone's message history.

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>>538556911
Toyotas are shit now.

>>538558972
They take responsibility at least, whereas Teslas rust af and Musk doesn't give a single shit
Guess that's also the reason Tesla sales only go up, right?

>>538558972
>liter
amerisissies... w-we use metric?

>>538556108
Nice, so long as we are getting cheaper cars, I'm happy.

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>>538558850
Do you understand fall and rise of numbers?
https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/global-sales-of-combustion-engine-cars-peaked-in-2017
If yesterday, A sold 10 cars and B sold 1 car. Today, A sells 7 cars and B sells 3 cars.
Who is winning?
>One in three new cars in Europe is now electric
https://www.dw.com/en/charging-ahead-evs-outpace-growth-predictions/a-77486417

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>>538558922
of course it doesn't work on Japanese because they don't hate Indians like you chinksects

get the fuck out of Japan, wumao. you will not divide us

Southeast Asia in general are a surprisingly uppity people online. If it's really that bad for Indonesians maybe they'll calm down a bit

>>538559143
EVs are a shit tech that NEEDS government gibs so people buy overpriced shit that loses its worth faster than you can spell hygiene and the market is eventually saturated at 30-40%
Tell me: How would running an EV in india work out? Charging stations? Road compatibility? Infrastructure?
EVs make sense as some second or third car in the first world for urban whamen to buy groceries, but it's incompatible with the rest of the world
>Africa
>America
>Most of Asia
>Australia
>US
Its subsidized shit tech and ICE cars are superior in every aspect.
ICE will win in the end and we get TKD

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>>538559354
Almost every petrol pump in major cities has got a charging point here in India. There's a government scheme going for installing charging stations in all cities.
https://www.rediff.com/business/report/auto-ev-sales-in-india-hit-record-high-with-63-yoy-increase-in-june/20260708.htm
In your 30-40% scenario, if ICE makers don't start making EVs would still lose sales (like Toyota), because total car sales are not really rising.
And when major ICE makers start making EVs most people loyal to those brands would buy them (like Toyota).

>>538559582
>government scheme
As i said: Without massive gubernment gibs EV's would be dead. It's tech that wouldn't break through on its own because its shit in every way compared to ICEs.
That 30-40% will be chink mobiles in the future
How many EVs are you owning?

>>538560062
Do you think petrol pumps sprang up out of nowhere? Government also built those here, because most oil companies are state-owned in India. Infrastructure is assumed to be the government's job here.
Tata is also helping the government. That's how it has always worked.
>How many EVs are you owning?
1. A Tata Punch EV.

>>538560160
>Tata Punch
lmfao
do you punch your sister's tatas? is that why they call you Benchod

>>538559354
>EVs are a shit tech
EV drivetrains are vastly superior to ICE ones in every respect
except fun factor, ofc, but that only matters to petrolheads like me

>that NEEDS government gibs
EV adoption faced and still faces a few chicken and egg problems, and those do require external intervention to solve
eg charging stations wont get built until there is sufficient demand from EV owners. but EVs wont get bought if there are no charging stations to make them viable. chicken and egg problem
ofc, the above issue was not actually solved by government gibs, it was actually first solved by elon who just said FuckIt™ and built the cars and the charging stations


>so people buy overpriced shit
they're not overpriced, just early in adoption and not quite as cheap as they can be
when economies of scale fully set in, EVs will be noticeably cheaper than equivalent ICEs

>that loses its worth faster than you can spell hygiene
EVs depreciate horribly because people who buy 2nd hand cars are usually also not rich enough to be homeowners.
which means they can't charge at home
which means EVs are not practical for them
which means they don't buy EVs
which means there's very little demand for used EVs
which means used EVs see large price drops

ofc, as more and more charging stations are built, and charging gets faster and faster, this issue will become less and less important.
not being able to charge at home is a huge deal breaker if you need 40 mins to charge 2x a week, but less so if its 20 mins, and even less when it goes down to 10mins
at 5 mins it'll stop being an issue altogether

>and the market is eventually saturated at 30-40%
saturation has been reached because we ran out of homeowners to buy EVs
but, see above, that issue will eventually stop being an issue and adoption will continue

>>538560545
>EV drivetrains are vastly superior to ICE ones in every respect
What are 1 ton batteries that explode under your arse
>chicken and egg problems
As you said yourself
>Tesla did it
>when economies of scale fully set in, EVs will be noticeably cheaper than equivalent ICEs
Just because of EU laws that favour EV bullshit and CO2 air taxes
In a free unregulated market EVs always lose against ICE
>at 5 mins it'll stop being an issue altogether
Still a ton battery to carry around
>but, see above, that issue will eventually stop being an issue and adoption will continue
Why? Do the 60% of renters suddenly become home owners?
Oh you mean because of charging speed. Charging at charging stations costs you more than refuelling an ICE so the cost advantage isn't one plus all the inconvenience an EV gives. Pair that together with the devaluation and you see that EVs burn through money, whereas the good ol ICE cars only raise in value.
Buying EVs means burning money and the majority of people doesn't have money left to burn
Also i come out of a timeline where you could get a reasonable good used car for 500 euros and could drive it for at least two years.
With the forced EV push these times are over and were looking at a new generation of people that lost interest in cars at all because they simply can't afford one.
Fuck this gay new world
TKD

>>538556108
Funny how china has mogged Japan so damn hard , they have surpassed them in every single way imaginable

Oh and i forgot to add
>Fast charging your battery in 5 minutes kills the battery in the long run
So these EVs batteries only last like 100k kms and you can then replace them for 20k+
But yeah it's cheap, right?

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>>538556911
Maybe you should read the articles before you post them. The venture is about both companies pouring money into R&D of new techs, which is fairly common tactic in the industry and has little to do with current BYD inferno tech.
You fucking niggerjeet.

>>538561098
>memeflag
Hello paki.
Toyota also uses BYD batteries for their cars in China because otherwise their cars are not competitive there.

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>>538561143
>in China
Where you going with them goalposts, brown son.

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>>538561291
Look up total BYD vs Toyota BEV sales, memeflag.
Toyota is only just starting their BEV production and trying their best to compete, but without Japanese government subsidies, they weren't able to compete even in Japan.
China is the most competitive market right now, which is why I gave that example.
Btw, Toyota just signed an agreement with CATL for battery production because they're so far behind.
>This comprehensive approach marks an important milestone for TMMIN as the first Toyota subsidiary in Southeast Asia to export batteries to the global market, starting in the second half of 2026. This includes not only batteries installed in HEVs but also battery components exported independently, reinforcing Indonesia’s role in the global electrified vehicle supply chain.
https://newsroom.toyota.co.id/en/news/memperingati-usia-ke-55-tahun-toyota-indonesia-gandeng-catl-tingkatkan-kemampuan-produksi-baterai-mobil-elektrifikasi

>>538560922
>1 ton batteries that explode under your arse
its not 1 ton
and the whole "muh EVs explode/catch fire" issue is pure FUD. ICEs catch fire way more often
tho it is true that when EVs do catch fire, they are a bitch to put out

>Tesla did it
yes, because of government policies that facilitated its survival and growth, carbon credits in particular

>Just because of EU laws
no
ev drivetrains are fundamentally much simpler and easier to make than ICE ones
the only reason that ICEs are as cheap as they are is because of a century of development and MASSIVE economies of scale
as soon as EVs even start to approach the same scale, they will create insane savings

>Still a ton battery to carry around
yup. barring some hitherto unforeseen breakthough that pushes kwhr/kg way higher, EVs will always be heavy
mind you, that only really applies to small lightweight vehicles, as soon as you start talking bmw 3 series or larger, the extra weight from the batteries is offset by the missing weight of a larger ICE. if you look at weight comparisons for the model 3 and the bmw 3 series, its basically the same, plus/minus 100 pounds either way, depending on what exact versions you pick to compare
but yes, barring unforeseen breakthroughs, we will never have an EV miata that's as light and nimble as the ICE ones.
and yes, that sucks for petrolheads, but its 100% fine for for the 95% of drivers on the road who just need a commute appliance

>charging stations costs you more than refuelling an ICE
that's just market distortion, competition will eventually iron it out
its fundamentally cheaper to burn fossil fuels at a centralized location and transmit power than to actually ship the fossil fuels to petrol stations all over the place
its also better for the environment, and MUCH better for localized pollution in densely populated areas

>>538561681
I don't get you. What are you? Pro or anti EV?
>better for the environment
We talk about that when in a few years the unsellable EVs end up burning on African waste dumps and/or the batteries get dumped into the sea
EVs were never about the environment, they always were about mass-demobilization of (You) and me.
Everyone arguing in favour of EVs are kikes or kike enablers
TKD and TEVD

>>538560922
>plus all the inconvenience an EV gives
EVs are more convenient than ICEs, not less
the only issue is the slow charging, which i acknowledged, and that is slowly being solved

>Pair that together with the devaluation
as i explained, that's ultimately a consequence of the slow charging, and it will get solved

>good ol ICE cars only raise in value
because modern ICEs suck ass, cars from the 00s and early 10s are objectively superior to nucar shit
im 100% on board with sticking with older ICEs, esp if you wrench on them yourself
but if buying new, i'd only recommend EVs. modern ICEs are unmaintainable POS, and this you CAN blame on emissions regs.

>Buying EVs means burning money and the majority of people doesn't have money left to burn
that applies equally if not more so to ICEs
all new cars are stupidly expensive, but at least an EV is not going to nickel and dime you with maintenance and repairs
>inb4 expensive battery replacements
cheaper every year, while ICE maintainance costs increase every year
model 3 battery packs are already at $10k or so, which is competitive with an engine swap or rebuild (and equivalent to it too, once you replace the battery its essentially a new EV)

>With the forced EV push
has nothing to do with EVs, its all about modern ICEs sucking ass

>>538557296
Lack of bureaucracy that stops innovation and enterprises, things get faster when you don't need 20 papers that confirms that you aren't commiting a hecking sexism. You are free to do almost whatever you want except to say bad things about the government

>>538561951
>Pro or anti EV?
overall, definitely pro.
they're quiet, refined, smooth, powerful
they don't pollute the air you breathe (there is pollution still, ofc, but less of it, and its not right outside your home, unlike ICE exhausts)
and they will become much cheaper as time goes by, and god knows we need cheaper cars
but im also a petrolhead, and as such i 100% admit that EVs are boring as shit, totally incapable of making fun cars.

>when in a few years the unsellable EVs end up burning on African waste dumps
not goign to happen
battery recycling will be a thing for sure
it was never a thing for laptop and cellphone batteries because they are very small individually, and come in a huge variety of shapes and sizes, thus making recycling impossible/unprofitable to automate
but with EV batteries being 1000x the size and much less varied, the economics will align and you will see those battery packs being recycled

>EVs were never about the environment, they always were about mass-demobilization of (You) and me.
bullshit
carbon tax bullshit was not about the environment, but about having a good sounding excuse to tax the shit out of people
but as it turned out, it enabled our transition to EVs. thanks elon.
and if anything, mass EV adoption will make it less possible to demobilize the population, not more. its far easier to DIY EV charging than DIY gasoline refinement

>Everyone arguing in favour of EVs are kikes or kike enablers
not me, im fully on board with TKD. also TND. also TPD. also TMD.

>>538561967
>New ICE cars are crap
That's true but it is due to EU laws that ultimately want to nag you to death and tax ICE cars to death so you stop wanting to drive your car. It's time to get rid of them so we can build great ICE cars again.
>cheaper every year
I got a nice example of a Tesla model 3
>The rust on the body panels around the battery is a security issue, you need to exchange these body panels for safety reasons.
>Because that body panel is part of the battery you also need to exchange the battery
>That will be 20k + tip.
Thank you for your $$$ goy
This is on a three year old car.
Have fun burning money, you seem to have plenty of it
>>538562261
>battery recycling will be a thing for sure
Yes it will be, for sure, 100%, pinky promise
>carbon tax bullshit was not about the environment, but about having a good sounding excuse to tax the shit out of people
That's what i said with the effect of less people being able to afford individual mobility
>mass EV adoption will make it less possible to demobilize the population
>Your carbon credit account doesn't allow you to drive further than 10km from your home
>Thank you for giving up your freedom for muh enbironment, goy
While batteries will burn on African waste dumps.
Everything about EVs is jewish, fuck the kikes
TKD TKD TKD TKD TKD

>>538556108
ITT Amerimutt butts on fire

>>538557641
Amerimutts dont care, theyre just paid to spam Amerimutt lies and cope while pretending to respond to humans.

>>538556108
Jakarta was not trying to 'control ev supply chains' they where avoid dutch disease.

It's really funny how Westoid small brains lack behind in times.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/international/global/eu-considers-forced-tech-transfers-chinese-investments

>>538556108
Indonesia's pretty corrupted as Flipland anyway.