A lot of anti-capitalist discourse really is retarded.The government is literally the most corrupt and greedy entity in the market.If the government possesses the means of production, do these people understand that we would still have the negative consequences of capitalism, whilst retaining none of the benefits?The government should have a limited power on the economy, simple as that.>but what about natsoc?There is no such thing as a government that cares about (you). And what I mean by (you) is the average white man. I don't see how we can reclaim our institutions to be "white-occupied". This looks like a gargantuan task to achieve.Our best bet is to just be as independent of the government as possible, and create parallel societies.
>>538579653That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard in my life. Government can theoretically serve a purpose. Corporations and billionaires absolutely never have and never will.
>>538579800>government can theoretically serve a purposeEvery single government position is occupied by jews.
Does spreading ticks that give you allergy for red meat violate NAP, yes or no?>>538579800>Government can theoretically serve a purpose.Lol. Lmao.
>>538579653Just prohibit the central planning committees ability to take loans or run a deficit. Problem solved
>>538579653>The government is literally the most corrupt and greedy entity in the market.and so are corporations. the only difference between the gov and a corp is that the gov pretends to be for the people, corps are just for profit. both options suck but natsoc sucks the least.
>>538579800Which government manufactured whatever device you used to post this?
also, youre 10 years late in our collective hivemind. you have a lot of catching up to do ancapanon.
>>538580320cooperations have to take their own risk; the only lane of having their risks and costs socialized on a third party that cannot directly consent is through a central planning committee
>>538580274No? You shouldn't disturb anyone's nap.
>>538580305Banks shouldn't exist at all in the first place.
>>538579800FPBP
>>538580448the government has to take the same risks with central planning. the only difference between a gov and a corp is the gov is the king of all other corps. its literally the same thing.
>>538580416I'm just a generally right-wing chud zoomer. Sometimes I lean libertarian, sometimes I lean authoritarian. Even if I think the political compass is absolute bullshit.
>>538580617All Goyim (especially white) are designed to disappear eventually just like Prussia
>>538580570Natsoc is the ideal system I'd like to see one day, but it just looks almost impossible to do. I don't want to blackpill, but how can we realistically implement natsoc in a jew-occupied society?
>>538580320>"natsoc sucks the least">yeah dude it's totally worth going to war for some territory that we (the government, not the people) used to have and probably has (you)r people in it (sandniggers are also Aryan therefore your people btw). What do you mean you don't want to die for der Moderland? I'll put you in jail/kill you if you don't want to do that!Yeah, no thanks.
>>538580887the same way we can achieve ancap: societal, social or government collapse. we dont achieve it, we wait for the iron to be hot. if ancap rises as the dominant ideology, it has my full support.>>538580889>violence is not the answerlol. lmao. its not about territory and never was. Hitler reclaiming what was stolen from germany in ww1 is not mindless warmongering.
>>538580525Banks are not the problem. Not even FIAT is; if you want to take a loan and take a risk, same as the loan provider that is something between you and the bank. But as soon as an actor gets into the mix that inherently socializes risks and costs onto parties that are not directly involved into the deal, it creates a pervert incentive, for the loan provider and taker. Remove the socializing risk actors from the mix, and the probelm solves itself
>>538580870And Jews must face Jesus Christ in the Last Judgement.
>>538581081>societal, social or government collapsesocietal, *ECONOMIC or government collapse. i didnt proofread.
>>538581081So, acceleration-ism I guess? So we wait until our society collapses, or partially collapses? When will we take action?
>>538579653Capitalism have no remorse to replace you with inferior browns as long as they are cheaper.
>>538579653There is no such thing as a society without government. As long as people exist and there’s competition for limited resources on the planet, you will either dominate your own land by force (creating your own government) or get dominated by someone who wields more force and power than you (yield to an existing government). This naive idea where everyone just magically gets along and leaves each other alone without any force or coercion involved is a childish and naive fantasy
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>>538579653>be me, non retard>always hear people complain about interest rates>"interest is stealing my money!">"why do I have to pay more than what I borrowed?!">be like, time to drop some knowledge bombs>start with car rental analogy>"You rent a car, you pay a fee, right?">everyone nods>"So, you're paying for the time you have the car, right?">more nodding>interest is like that, but for money>you borrow $1000, you pay interest to have the pleasure of using someone else's money>just like how you pay to use someone else's car>lightbulbs go off, people start to get it>go deeper>"money is a good like anything else">you want bread, you pay for it>you want someone's time, you pay for it>you want money, you also pay for it>it's all the same economic principle>bring it home>if you borrow and pay back right away, you pay less interest>just like returning a rental car early>the longer you keep it, the more you pay>people start to understand>interest isn't evil>it's just the cost of using something that isn't yours>feelgoodman.jpg>maybe the world is a bit more economically literate now>one greentext at a time>end of story>micdrop.gif
>>538581414>There is no such thing as a society without government.Kill yourself unironically
>>538581354When the incentive to cooperate diminishes, the costs for defection become negligable or even profitable and the old game of trust (the carrot) and coercuin (the stick) don't work anymore on a large enough set of people to trick them into self regulationreminder, the amount of field mercenaries, (the police) is 0.15-0,25% of the population. Paper laws are not able to be reliably enforced on the ground
>>538581081Every single time it's just retarded "The land of *blank* has moved from Lord Henry to Lord Adam" and people cheering for their slave-owners. As long we have nationalism instead of racism that puts race first, Europoid race is cooked and we'll never get rid of ZOG.
>>538579653>actually good leaf post>>538579800>immediately followed by a subhuman shitskin (you can tell by the flag)
>>538581482Nah. Keep seething you delusional faggot. You will live your entire life and die under the authority of a government
>>538581572Good leafs are rare, retarded niggers are not
>>538581611Kill yourself twice, on stream
>>538581572>subhuman shitskinokay ranjeet
>>538581188>christgolemso close yet so far
>>538581354exactly, as long as the normies are comfortable, we cant change public opinion. we need the world to be uncomfortable so that people start looking for better options. then one of us can sweet talk our way into a dominant position and redo it all but this time win. ancap, natsoc, natbol, it doesnt matter. what matters is if the intention is pure. >>538581517>As long we have nationalism instead of racism that puts race first, Europoid race is cooked and we'll never get rid of ZOG.yes i agree but natsoc was always ethnic and nationalism used to imply ethnicity before it got hijacked.
>>538581642Nope! You won’t do shit btw you powerless faggot :)
>>538581685Kill they self thrice and save your family the humiliation
>>538581572Heh, thanks. I'm a Kekbecois, not a C*nadian. Just FYI.
>>538581726No thanks. I’d rather keep making you seethe.
>>538581800Quad kill yourself in front of your dog
>>538581681If it's so easily hijacked, what's even the fucking point of a nation at this point?>You VILL share ze nation wiz ze nigger und you VILL veiv ze flag
>>538581871You will die under the authority of the American government because you’re too weak to fight against it and establish your own autonomous state. That’s how the world works.You have to be 18+ to post on this board kiddo
>>538581946Pentakill yourself between goon sessions
>>538581647Tell us more about the jew Mouhamed bin Marx
>>538581883>what's even the fucking point of a nation at this point?how else would you clearly define what a collective ethnicity owns and doesnt own? nations will exist no matter what and being loyal to it ideally should mean being loyal to the people who control it, who should be the native ethnicity. yes i know now it is a stretch to imply this but if we are going to day dream about installing ancap or natsoc, why not dream big.
>>538581883also without a nation and strict rules, what stops niggers and yids from buying up land and business in your area?
>>538579653They think that they will be the ones in charge
>>538581482He’s not wrong.Someone will always have the monopoly on violence.If you can’t physically defend your land, then functionally, it isn’t yours. You can’t just go up against someone with an army and chant “muh property rights! Muh NAP!” like it’s a magic spell
>>538582172I feel like we could easily implement race politics in an ancap society. Niggers contribute the least.Ergo, we should get rid of people that don't contribute.Therefore, we should get rid of niggers.
>>538582274/pol/ is just a beer hall from 100 years ago. we are here because we cant meet in person anymore. yes some of us would be in charge and natsoc germany wasnt the dystopia they fed you. dont get me wrong, theres a lot of freaks on here but i think a lot of us are genuine thinkers.>>538582533yeah but what if one guy says, "no i want them for labor" and imports them anyway? to deny him that right is not anarchist, its ethno socialist. i personally believe ancap and natsoc (ethnosoc) should be merged. full freedom for the worker class and the safeguards and strong military of a socialist country. we can combine the two to make something incredible. i think they call this third position.
>>538582072Nation does not imply race. It only implies the government that polices the land and extorts money from you via taxes and waves the flag telling to go to war because we need to draw map differently. So called "nationalists" are very rarely opposed to shitskins, be it republicans in the USA, tories in the UK, le heckin' tradbased Russia or whoever else. When it gets corrupted from the inside, there is no cure, because the basis of nationalism is NATION, NOT RACE. Nationalism doesn't care if 1/5th population is brown, as long as those browns bow to the king.
>>538582697Yeah, completely agree with you on this one. For example, medieval cities were both ancap and ethno-socialist.
>>538582803so then lets redefine what natsoc germany truly was, ethno socialism. i dont like (((nationalists))) either.
>>538582172>"Ayyy mane can ai bai yo bizniz wai boai">No, fuck off, it's mine.Plus there's nothing against physical removal in AnCap.
>>538582963>No, fuck off, it's mine.what happens when some greedy cunt doesnt do that?>Plus there's nothing against physical removal in AnCap.the NAP
>>538583037>what happens when some greedy cunt doesnt do that?Shoot them stupid
>>538583037Physical removal is not agression>what happens when some greedy cunt doesnt do that?Then we don't give him money and don't associate with him. Boycotts work when there's no subsidies, wouldn't you believe.
>>538583129>>538583221the NAP would define you as aggressor and would permit full violence against you in this case. you would have to create a new version of ancap, ethno-anarchist-capitalism. ((("true" ancaps))) are just as bad as (((civic nationalists))). i fully support ANY ideology with ethno as the main focus, i think you would too. i may be a socialist and you are a capitalist but we are all ethnocists first.
>>538583337*ethnocrats, this isnt a mainstream term. we are defining it now.
The final tedpill is that every type of society post hunter-gatherer will not work by design.
>>538583440any society at any point wouldnt work for an extended amount of time. all we can do is keep our blood and land clean and feed the tree of liberty every once in a while. we are long overdue thanks to technology.
>>538583337>sir, please leave the store>OMG THAT'S LITERALLY AGGRESSION, I'M GONNA HAVE TO SHOOT YOU BECAUSE YOU REFUSE FOR ME TO EXIST IN THIS PLACE!!!>YOU THEREFORE SHOULD TAKE NO ACTION WHEN I ENTER YOUR HOME AND YOUR ROOM WHILE YOU SLEEP AND PHYSICALLY REMOVING ME WOULD CONSTITUTE AN AGGRESSION SO I'LL HAVE FULL RIGHTS TO SHOOT YOU!!!Nigga please...>i fully support ANY ideology with ethno as the main focus, i think you would too.Replace "ethno" with "racial" and sure.
>>538583633Actually nevermind. You fucking tricked me. No, I don't support statism and especially communism, even if racial. I think I should sleep more.
>>538583782i didnt trick you, i temporarily won your heart over ;^)
>>538579653>and create parallel societies.I'm going to walk into your society, kill you, fuck your wife and daughters, and take all your stuff. ask elon for help, I guess
none of this shit matters. the only thing that matters is whether the men who control powerful institutions are corrupt or not. arguing over what specific structure the corrupt men rule over is for fucking morons.
>>538579653Capitalism is just a polite term for feudalism.
Anti capitalist rhetoric is generally good at criticism, not so good at solutions. Marxism being the best example. There's a reason so many people gravitated to it in the late 19th / early 20th century. Because it was a different era, before collective workers rights and unions. There was a lot of people that thought marxist solutions were the answer to exploitation. The criticisms were apt, but the solutions were proven to be ineffective at best and deadly at worst. I think you have to admit that capitalism is flawed if it can be manipulated so easily. No true capitalism is a cop out, because if capitalism were flawless, "true capitalism," whatever that means, would have been born.
>>538584503>Anti capitalist rhetoric is generally good at criticism, not so good at solutions.That's literally the Jewish made critical- theory lol
>>538581795Ok, thats based
>>538583881Nah I just stayed late yesterday, so now I'm slipping away. I was just focused at the first point at the time of writing. But yeah I just want Europoid society in Europoid land(Europe + NA + Australia and New Zealand) plus freedom. AnCap is just the most appealing since it's literally in my best interest to keep shitskins out so of course why not pay them. And no government enforcing retarded laws and bureaucracy like USA with OSHA and ATF or commie laws against le heckin' hate speech. Of course we would need a different culture for that society to work, but commies are capable of turning everyone into gayniggerfaggots, so can we turn everyone into LibertAryanGODs.
>>538585092but if commies*
There are no "free" markets - all are manipulated by the rich and powerful all the timeAnd economist and policy planners don't factor the black market economy of crime The only solution to fix all the problems is to tax the rich up their fucking eyeballs - and they'll still be rich after we do
>>538579653>Our best bet is to just be as independent of the government as possibleI don't know about Canada but the US government was supposed to be small and limited, and out of our way. There just to protect our rights, property, our borders, and issue gold and silver backed currency. Unfortunately they quit following the Constitution (that paper thingie that they swear to uphold).
>>538585526There are no free markets allowed today*Black markets occur specifically because of something being illegal. If, say a drug, was legal, it would be part of the regular market, not a black market.>tax the richThey'll move to another state. Countrywide? They'll move to another country. They stay? They'd have to raise the prices of their products/pay less to their workers.
>>538579800>Government can theoretically serve a purpose. Corporations and billionaires absolutely never have and never will.You have a smart phone? Computer? Who made it? Do they provide jobs? How many?Was Henry Ford a billionaire? Why?
>>538579800This is a braindead argument.Modern corporations absolutely serve a purpose: to enrich the people who control them while insulating them from legal liability and blame from the public to the greatest possible extent.Corporations in their previous form, where one top hat and monocle-wearing Monopoly guy had voting control of the shares and called all the shots and was subject to public rebuke if he acted like shit, were an incredible invention and one that fueled near-endless growth and innovation in America's early years.But now, that structure is gone, and with extremely good reason: it removes virtually any constraints on the company's management not to act like shit in pursuit of the bottom line.Part of our fundamental drive to seek out leadership is to have someone to point the finger at and blame if things go horribly wrong.Eliminate the singular, outsized figurehead, and all of the accountability washes away like water through a drain in the floor.>This decision was terrible and damaging to society! Who made it?Well, it was a team of VPs delegated the actual tasks to employees>So it was their idea?Well no, the C suite came up with it at the behest of the board of directors>Who sits on the board??Members of the C-suite itself, 4-5 large but not majority investors in the company, and heads of other businesses, several of which are directly related to ours>They call the shots, so they must own the company right?What? No, they are just looking out for "the shareholders">Who tf are the shareholdersMillions of owners of retirement and investment accounts, pension funds, investment funds, hedge funds, major banks, insurance companies, etc...>...So everyone??Everyone owns these companies, and no one calls the shots.NO ONE CALLS THE SHOTS.Companies that follow this model don't have management directives. They don't have true leaders. They just exist.Their mandate is structural: make as much money as possible. No matter what.
Tribes, states, corporations, it's all the same shit in different forms with varying degrees of cohesion and efficiency. Your free market society can only exist if the members that make up your demographic are capable of upholding and maintaining the values necessary. If everyone is just a low-iq r-selected opportunist, then no system, especially not a free market, can last. The problem with lolberts and ancaps is that in most cases, they want to behave as if they have already built their ideal environment and refuse to use methods or means that break their "principles" to actually create the society they want. The chisel and the sculpture are two very different things.
>>538586683Wow, great fucking post, me.As usual.
>>538584503marxism was one of the main ideological influences over the labor movements that gave you things like worker protection laws, including banning child labor, the 8h workday and, ladies and gentlemen... the weekend
>>538586897See>>538586683The people in question are only r-selecting opportunists because the organizations they work within demand that they be, or else be discarded.
>>538580570Nope. The individual actors in the central planning committees have by design no risk, only profits. All risk is socialized outside the political sphere, which creates the perverted incentive structure of "public loans" and other socialist crap
>>538587095This is true of nearly any incumbent vs challenger, in any area.In 99% the incumbent is the incumbent because of its will to power and financial enrichment. Contrary to what Gordon Gecko said, greed is not good, but it is extraordinarily effective.People who are willing to shuck moral and social constraints in exchange for gain win more often that not.The problem is that when this goes on for too long, they become powerful enough to rig the game to the point that they endlessly enrich themselves and push the cost and risk of failure off on everyone else.Trying to defeat them by playing is the equivalent of playing a basketball game with the refs paid off and the basket blocked off on one end.During this sort of period of lavish excess and moral decay, the one pseudo-moralistic principle that is continually parroted by the establishment is >violence is never the answerAka, no matter how badly and egregiously we are fucking you, you never have the right to harm us physically because that’s not part of the game that we’ve eternally rigged for ourselves to win at.See>>538586683
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>>538586683Interesting post. Here's a (You).
I SAID RESPOND TO MY FUCKING POSTS
>>538580274NAP?
>>538588538Well shit, I'm just a 20 year old zoomer. I didn't really understand everything in your post but still I found it interesting.Maybe this is off-topic but can we make the analogy of old corporations and modern corporations to video game companies? In the beginning, there was a lot of innovations with Atari and Phillips and what not. Nintendo and Sony and all that. Nowadays, they just chase muh graphics and AI shit.
>>538580274>>538580493>>538588645The Non-Agression Principle is a modern invention, and while it’s basically good, it is not without limitations.Part of the reason we’re currently increasingly allowing things like Sherman act-violating business practices, insider trading, bet rigging, and general moral and social decay is because the NAP has been allowed to endure as a driving force in the west for so long.The core of it is>No matter how shittily or duplicitously I behave, you can never physically harm me in retributionIs an ethos that actively encourages conniving shitheads to connive.I cover this in my post here>>538586683which all of you retarded faggots ought read.
>>538589006Oh, so that stands for Non-Agression Principle? Yeah I'm fundamentally against that.
>>538588866I would say that’s correct, but I would shift the focus to firmly toward the fact that video game companies have gone from selling you >title to a piece of physical property that bears a one-time cost and will remain unaltered from the time you purchase it and which you are free to sell or trade at any timeto>an imaginary digital license to use something that they own and retain themselves which is legally revocable based on a number of reasons outlined in your contract with them, but pragmatically speaking for any reason they choose at any time, and which you have zero right to sell, trade, or share with any other person, and which instead of bearing a one-time cost is subject to subscription payments and in-game purchases to really enjoy full use of itYou are 20, so you probably haven’t had time to notice yet, but this applies to EVERY product that is now manufactured.Cars, home appliances, tractors/work vehicles, home surveillance systems, your fucking doorbell, your fucking blender.Physical Products in the US has morphed into a spiderweb whose sole aim is to keep you indentured to it and have you pay continually for it as a “service”, when 20 years ago, products that functioned the same were paid for one time.
>>538579653The libertarian approach to housing prices destroyed the 1st world for everyone but old people.
>>538589924There is nothing libertarian about printing 40% of all USD in existence in the span of 30 months.There is no policy or legal mandate in the physical universe we occupy capable of mitigating the effects of that.
Anyway bump. Not nearly enough of you have read my posts
>>538589201Then why is Fidel Castros son still alive, leaf?
>>538591535I don't know?
>>538592101WHY HAVENT YOU DEALT WITH HIM LEAF? WHY DID YOU LET HIM RUIN YOUR COUNTRY AND THEN RETIRE TO FUCK KATY PERRY?
>>538592163Oh, you must be referring to Justin Trudeau?Dude, the average canadian in here is so fucking retarded in such abysmal levels you couldn't understand.
>>538592439How do you mean?
>>538579653Ancaps basically already won the intellectual war. All that's left is to spread Ancap culture and implement Ancapism.It's not going to be as difficult as you think because the working man already hates taxes and is basically an Ancap without knowing it.We must build Ancap institutions, technologies, societies, and intellectual/social hubs to spread freedom peace and prosperity.The right to opt out is absolute and the NAP is our ideal.
>>538579653The capitalism vs socialism nonsense is part of the mechanism of enslavement. The world is running on pure Judaism, and its totally unopposed since you're all obsessed in arguing over totally irrelevant things.
>>538579653Things will never change until the intelligence agencies, underground military-industrial-complex lairs and defense contractor facilities are stormed and the glowniggers and parasites who work there are executed and the data they collect is leaked to the public so that the rest of these government assets, zogbots, mercenaries, glorified jannies and authority figures can be hunted down and exterminated.
>>538585802The only mistake the founding fathers made was creating a centralized federation, I think if they were alive today they would see that clearly, especially after the civil war it caused and the tyranny that followed.But for the time it was a revolutionary and extremely successful experiment that was only destroyed because they didn't go far enough with limiting government, but of course that probably would have been harder to see at the time.In short, the Anti-federalist founding fathers have been proved 1000% right and we should learn from the mistakes of the founding fathers in general just as they learned from the mistakes of the of the British empire but couldn't fully realize the correct solutions.
>>538594080>Field an effective military>Secure the border>Maintain transportation corridors>Keep people who conduct interstate trade and travel from getting violently robbedAny public official who even asks to undertake any other task should be immediately fired
>>538595980I would certainly be happy with that. But I was trying to say that even these meager things led to an expansive totalitarian government eventually. Maybe that's always inevitable, but in my view that should be delayed from happening as long as possible for maximum human flourishing.If you were to have any government at all it should just be based on the articles of confederation and nothing more, and the articles should say clearly that no federation should ever be formed, it's too dangerous.Ideally you wouldn't even have the articles of confederation, you simply have a decentralized spontaneously organizing society based on natural rights and the right to opt out of the local governance to either live as a private free man on the land, or form your own private government in your local community that can form voluntary partnerships and trading blocs with other private communities.I would be more than happy with any of these 3 forms of organization, but the more decentralized the better, it is clear that free men cannot bear ever increasing centralization, and any amount of centralization eventually leads to tyranny, the more centralization, the faster the road to destruction is.
>>538587095There's nothing wrong with just picking the stuff that works out of an ideology and leaving the stuff that doesn't. This makes ideologues seethe, but it's really the best way to do things. Any big policy idea should be judged on it's own merits, and not how it fits into some plan to reshape the world into utopia if we just gulag and starve enough people.
