>0.5kg bananas>0.3kg lettuce>0.25kg chicken breasts>160g hamFor $1 USD.Chinese grocery prices keeps falling, month after month, despite wages rising, as China suffers yet another year of rapid deflation.China's economy is collapsing slowly, in real time, for the world to see.
>>538583911What is the problem?
>>538583911>prices drop>everyone can afford more stuff>HURR DURR THIS IS TERRIBLE FOR THE ECONOMYYou are literally jewish.
Prices are always very low in poor countries and high in rich countries. Just try going to Norway and then to Lesotho and you'll see what I'm saying.
>>538584034If your farmers can’t afford to farm next season because the bottom fell out of the market this season it is bad, yeah.
>>538583999deflation transfers wealth from the rich to the poor, jews fear this more than anything in the world
>>538584034You are so fucking retarded.
>>538584123They'll be fine. China's deflation is caused by falling wages.
>>538583999>>538584034>>538584085You idiots groceries prices falling means farmers don't make much profit which will make them switch to another job which then causes a deficit and high prices later
>>538583911deflation would fix everything herethe only thing is itd make kikes seethe, so goyim will be brainwashed into thinking deflation is bad.
so basically rotten scraps
>>538583999currency devaluation can spiral out of control, that is the problem we are looking at, this would be the opposite problem where real assets are devalued rapidly
>>538584185No I said that prices are always low in poor countries like China and this is a normal thing.
>>538584185good. kill the welfare queen farmers only growing corn for ethanolslop and cornslop. kill the welfare queen farmers employing illegals. kill the welfare queen farmers that only exist to take government subsidies to grow poison for us.
>>538584123This>>538584034The problem is that the price of goods, like rice at the store, crashes 75%, so you the farmer get about 75% less for your product, HOWEVER, the price of fertilizer, diesel and other inputs do not go down, or can even go up, thanks to the iran war fucking with farm inputs
>>538583911
>>538583911>inbred retard bot shillThese companies are getting subsidized due to the insane competition on apps in China. There is a crackdown on subsidization recently to help improve prices. Has nothing to do with deflation. Please kys retard jeet shit skin.
>>538584220>where real assets are devalued rapidlyReal assets.No such thing, anon. Check your assumptions.
>>538584279If prices drop then people can afford to buy more goods and the farmer makes MORE money. You brain has been rotted by decades of jewish propaganda. You are too stupid to even realize it.
>>538584520>If prices drop then people can afford to buy more goods and the farmer makes MORE moneybut people buying more goods will cause the price to go up. that's how supply and demand works dumbass
>>538583911>despite wages risingEasy to do when all the low end jobs are no longer in existence hence the dropping prices.The people in china with money and means do not keep it in china, they keep it in other countries like the usa.
>>538583911>>538583999Deflation disincentivizes the economy to grow. It basically means that China's economy is slowing down and will face stagnation within a few years, which is not good for China and its allies, but good for America, because it means there will be more incentives for the US to re-industrialize.
>>538583911Fake food is cheap
>>538583999deflation looks great for consumer but is terrible for producers. Normally, you'd make something for $1 and sell it for $2. However, with deflation, by the time you bring it to market, it's now selling for $1; or worse 75 cents. Nobody is willing to produce things now only to sell at a loss in the future. Producers shut down which leads to shortages.
>>538583911fuggg bros chinese have affordable food and housing it is so over for them
IF PRICE GOES DOWN MR SHEKELSTEINBERG WONT BE ABLE TO AFFORD A 4TH MANSION THIS YEAR GOY, DEFLATION IS THE WORST THING POSSIBLEI have a master's in economics and deflation isn't that bad, its a heavy blow to learn modern economic theory is just jewish excuses and has zero basis on reality
>>538584623>massive cost that is totally up front at time of planting>it cost me $1 to produce 1 lb of potato>but I can sell MORE at 75¢ a lb, losing money with every sale>can’t afford to plant next season>now there is no foodmathematically illiterate urbanite niggers deserve starvation and they will get it
>>538583999Nothing. Fuck the doomsayers.>>538584965In other words normal market forces correcting the supply chain. Again, what is the problem?(Pro-tip: there isn't one)
>>538584728> Jew> memeflagNo points for effort.
>>538585114>what’s wrong with agribusiness monopolies being the only ones able to weather market correctionsReally nigger?
>>538584185Farmers already don't make profit because they don't control the price they sell at, it's the food processors that effectively set the price of both raw input and final good product.
>>538585058>smaller producers who can't weather the storm go by the wayside>supply shrinks, prices increase to compensate>world keeps turningfunny how "free market" people get when the free market actually functions as intendedhurry or you might miss your chance to prop up bullshit oversupply with government stimuluses!
>>538585058more consumption causes prices to go up. it's just how supply and demand works retard shitskin
>>538584520>doubling down on retardationJust kill yourself.
>>538585186farmers operate off of subsidies that pay the difference between cost and sales, but they do profit when prices are high.
>>538583999jewish bankers make less money.
>>538585184the monopolies that exist in the first place was due to being propped up and sheltered with advantages regulations by the state you mean?
>>538585121>retard>retard flagChecks out.
>>538584123And what if they can and it's fine for them to sell at this price?
>>538585058Deflation would also lower the cost of producing the goods, thus the farmer can continue to sell the goods at a profit.You are such a fucking jew.
>>538583911CHINA WILL COLLAPSE IN 2 WEEKS BECAUSE*spins wheel*THE PRICE OF FRUIT
>>538585455no the causality goes the other way brownbro. deflation is caused by lack of demand, which is caused by economic regression
>>538584654There are tight capital controls in china, the state doesn't let you move you money around the world like that , they've been cracking down hard on apps that tried to circumvent it
Deflation can also cause debt to be more difficult to pay off. Lots of farmers take loans before the season.
>>538584185>>538584162>>538584123>oh no Chinese peasant farmers being poor means the economy will collapse!Fucking nerds are so mindrotten by western "economic theory." Who gives a fuck if the farmers are poor? They're just going to keep grubbing in the dirt like they have done for thousands of years.
Cheap food..... is LE BAD?!?!
Deflation, believe it or not, is really, really bad. If everyone stops spending, because the price tomorrow is lower than today, everything screeches to a halt and bankruptcies tanks the economy.
>>538583911Too bad deflation is not killing us
>>538585903>believe it or notI don't believe it>If everyone stops spendingCompletely fantastical scenario that is so far divorced from reality as to be laughable.
>>538583911deflation is banned goy, prices can go only up
>>538583911China will be the first to invent new functioning economic systems that incorporate AI and robots.
>>538586000You're a retarded nigger then, faggot.
>>538586312Trips don't lie. I think your brain turned to mush from the lack of air conditioning.
>>538584728Historically wrong. The US had 3% annual deflation for most of the 19th century and rapid economic growth at the same time.
>>538586383Why would I get air conditioning in Norway, dum dum
>>538584965How come you didn’t include the fact that producer inputs will also decrease significantly if not more? Deflation democratizes the economy as opposed to inflation which only benefits the top 20% at best!
>>538584965What you're missing is this creates a massive incentive for export. As long as the Chinese can export their products revenue will actually grow just from the conversion. It all depends what their govt is planning to do with this.
>>538583911>things get cheaper is bad!Lol cooked
>>538583999It's made out of plastic.
>>538584185The only farmers that aren’t propped up by the government are subsistence farmers. Curiously governments seem to dislike those.
>>538584185This is communist China we are talking about. The farmers aren't allowed to walk away from their jobs. They will be shot and replaced if they abandon their duties.
>>538584162Right, and artificially suppressing healthy and natural recessions and markets corrections since 2008 for almost 20 fucking years now is totally fucking smart and logical. Your parents should get their tax dollars refunded for what shit public school they sent you to.
>>538586529Because mormor is lying dead in the closet europoors call a home.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC12555807/
>>538585058how much farm produce does your country export? we export roughly 80 percent. meaning we use 20 percent of the farmers produce locally. we have the capacity to sustain the whole country but we won't.
>>53858683128C "heatwave" wooow. Mutts are living proof you should never racemix
>>538584185You know that silly car insurance company called State Farm?
>>538586744American farmers all want to be antebellum slave owners, they all want to be rich doing as little as possible and so they want the subsidies, they want the illegal slave labor and they want the expensive groceries. They also take a mortgage on their home and farmland so they can lease new trucks every 2 years, plus luxury suvs, plus go on vacations every 6 months etc…they fail at being farmers and must be liquidated from the market place as producers.
>>538584185>A farmer is just going to suddenly quit farming and walk away from his property to work at McDonalds because groceries are now suddenly cheaperThis is your brain on inflation paypig consoomer-rot.
>>538585315>>538585378>Actually, cost of living going up and inflation pricing you out of buying groceries is a GOOD thing
>>538585599>Deflation can also cause debt to be more difficult to pay off.Jewish fingers typed this post
>>538585903>If everyone stops spending, because the price tomorrow is lower than today, everything screeches to a halt and bankruptcies tanks the economy.Yeah bro, because people hold out on groceries and rent for weeks and months at a time just standing around on the street starving and homeless waiting for prices to go lower. That's totally logical economic theory right there.
>>538583999it kills debtmaxed countries (so most of them)the government gives itself infinite budget by simply keeping the inflation around the same level as the interest it has to pay on its debt.when deflation kicks in, that no longer works because they cannot simply make new debt to pay off the interest on the old ones for free.it also lessens the gap between the upper and lower class (because who the fuck cares about caviar and sport cars or other retarded shit like that), which pisses them off supremely because how do they feel special now?
>>538584185who the fuck cares about farners it's 2024 just go to the fuckin supermarket
>>538585378We already know everyone from usa is retarded. No need to remind us all the time.
>>538587222>Deflation>Wants new car/appliances/services/boat/whatever>Price continously tanks>Ends up waiting to get best deal>Groupthink.exe>Companies sell for lower and lower at steeper loss>Bankruptcies.exe
>>538583911more proof that capitalism is retardedhow could higher wages and lower prices possibly be a bad thing?it this some attempt at a jewish mind trick?
>>538587290Store bought fruits and vegetables taste like ass. They only have shitty GMO crops that were harvested too early and artificially ripened in ethylene gas chambers. Home grown always tastes way better and you’re not paying welfare queen farmers to produce it
>>538587395>we need to continually make everything more expensive so that you’ll feel FOMO and have an obligation to consoom instead of building wealth over time >t.
>>538587507every year I buy cherries and every year I'm disappointedwe can't even have the simple pleasure anymore
>Chinese grocery prices keeps falling, month after month, despite wages rising, as China suffers yet another year of rapid deflationOh no. Those poor bastards.
>>538583999In deflation it becomes financially more logical to just not spend your money/wait and do nothing and let your money actively appreciate in value. This grinds economic activity to a halt.
>>538587395>Wants new car/appliances/services/boat/whateverConsidering all this shit is low quality built trash now that barely functions after a year of use, deflation would force companies and businesses to improve quality and consistency to attract more customers in a deflationary cycle. Something consumers actually drastically need because everything is such low quality slop right now. This is why Recessions are based and necessary once every decade or so to flush all the trash out of the economy. Deflation would also get rid of all the DEI hires in the workplace and woke shit in the entertainment industry because companies would be forced to be more efficient and make shit that actually sells instead of just collecting free magic printed money out of thin air from the Federal Reserve. We haven't had a Recession in nearly 20 years now since 2008 and everyone wonders why things are such shit from movies to restaurants to cars.
>>538587256Debted countries can just convert their treasuries into mefo bills. This is the solution and frankly deflation is good for most of us.
>>538587671>Oy vey what are these working class people doing trying to save their money? They’re supposed to be going into debt, consuming, and spending time on the hamster wheel so that Shlomo Shekelberg can accumulate more profits!!!
>>538583911FOOD IS FOR EATING, NOT SPECULATION
>>538587395This argument never really sat right with me. People will buy $60 games on release instead of waiting for the $4 steam sale five years down the line. People will always pay a premium on now.
Food is for eating. Not speculation.
>>538587671Nope people will always spend and demand-pull inflation can ensue for certain products and industries, new business open to meet demand and prices normalize to the median point. Stfu
>>538587778The jews don't hold you down and force you to get things against your will, Anon even when an economy is functioning normally. If you want to save your money, you always have that ability. >>538587891I don't disagree, and the Chinks have created this nightmare for themselves through massive government subsidies and interference distorting their market. The deflation just highlights how they've fucked themselves, and is a natural economic consequence. But deflation is still bad in its own way, just like inflation is.
>>538583911Here's the truth on why shills defend inflation:The truth is, without meddling and if things had ran naturally, America's economy was supposed to collapse way back in 2008, and I when I say collapse I really do mean finished for good... we, naturally of course, didn't (and couldn't) let that happen. And how do you prevent that from happening? By artificially inflating the price of everything as aggressively and for as long a time frame as you possibly can. If line go up, it can't go down right? And so how do we do that? By printing infinite money and flooding the market with cash (turning your currency and purchasing power into toilet paper), flooding the country with immigrants- both legal and illegal- not only to further raise and inflate the prices of everything by bringing in millions of new consumers and artificially raising demand but also to suppress wages across the board so your wages don't accumulate in value along with this artificial hyperinflation (allowing corporations and institutions to maximize their ability to continue to profit and stay afloat), as well as bringing as many other new consumers as they can into the markets (eg blacks, women, "diversity", "DEI hires", etc.) so that they have more consumers to sell shit to now that the finite supply of white consumers had already achieved maximum saturation in the markets. We haven't had a recession (deflation) in nearly 20 years at this point since 2008- why? Because this house of cards can't afford to have one- it would wipe this entire economy out for good. By artificially suppressing recessions like this for nearly 20 years now and allowing inflation to rip and flood the market with trash cash, our completely fake economy has degraded to the point where it is now only made up of Twitch streamers, OnlyFans models, DEI hires, immigrants and DoorDash drivers.tl;dr: 2008 was supposed to be the end, everything you see now is just the result of almost 20 years of life support.
>>538583911THIS IS HORRIBLE!! YOU NEED TO HELP THEM!!
>>538588085Inflation is something has has occurred long before Central Banks even existed. Adam Smith observed inflation before the term actually existed. He describes it in length in The Wealth of Nations. Normal inflation represents a market/economies money supply increasing. A little bit of it gradually over time is a sign that people are actively expanding/investing in an economy and chasing profits/trying to grow and make new things. Just because you're too retarded to understand the complexities of modern economies and the Jews are better at it than you doesn't make it inherently evil. Skill issue.
>>538585903I hate when people parrot this bullshit. Provide real world examples.
>>538583911Besides the obvious points about deflation putting producers out of business, its important to mention that most business is financed and most business owners are in debt. Deflation increases your debt incredibly fast, and makes it impossible for you to pay it off. If you take out a loan for $100k to buy farming equipment, and made $50k profit last year, but because of deflation, both your inputs and outputs decreased in price, so you only made $20k profit this year, you still owe $100k plus interest. Its the opposite of inflating your debt away. Your debt burden grows under deflation, and everything runs on debt.
>>538583911>line must always go up>corpos,banks, farmers and businesses must never be allowed to fail>homes must forever grow in value >boomers must never be allowed to fail Oh no, how/when did my nation became a feudal jeeted hellholeIt’s a mystery
>>538583911Watch all the Ching Chongs crawl out of the wood work.
Capitalists in 1950:>Capitalism is the best because competition and the free market will ensure that prices remain as cheap as possible for consumers while quality remains high. Businesses are incentivized to offer quality, cheap products in order to beat their competition Capitalists in 2026:>Capitalism is good because it makes you pay more and more and everything gets more expensive over time which is good for the economy. This ensures that the line keeps going up for Too Big to Fail ™ companies continue to rake in massive profits from their government contracts even as they enshittify their products
>>538584728>The green line, my god, must go up or the sun wont rise.I don't think humanity will recover from what the jews have done to us this time.
>>538586631>exportTheir yuan is getting stronger to dollar & euro since hormussy. China is basically getting some small dose of plaza accord. However compared to Japan one, China’s plaza accord is practically harmless1. china is not under US control unlike Japan. To be US’s enemy is dangerous, to be US’s ally is fatal - Kissinger2. Japan’s technological edge was murdered enmasse by US while china’s isn’t. Huawei get sanctioned, embargoed was pretty merciful compared to how Japan’s computer industries got killed by US. Korea got the same treatment with their Samsung vs Apple3. plaza accord Japan was happened during the time when US was a hyperpower with proud Americans. Current china one is now where US is on the state of depression & Americans are at their lowest level of enthusiasm.4. Japan is far more dependent on imports than China: food & energy are examples5. Japan killed their exports from stronger Yen, as their bulk manufacturing went to alternative country: China. China however, most of the manufacturing stay there because there are no alternatives to China for manufacturing. China exports will drop a bit, but won’t collapse like Japan. The surge of Chinese exports is more of global world getting more dependent on China6. The chinese know Japanese Plaza Accord and brainstorm on such scenario if happened to China. You’ll see more Chinese going overseas to spend their wealth abroad and you’ll bet everyone will want Chinese visitors
>>538588298>A little bit of it gradually over timeNo fucking shit, dumbass. The point was, if you could read, which you clearly can't, is that the aggressive inflation we have experienced since 2008 and especially following COVID in 2021 was NOT "a little bit gradually over time" but was hundreds of percent price increases YOY spurred on from money printing, low interest rates, forced immigration and increasing the amount of women in the workforce (women make up 85% of consumer spending globally, they never save their money). Maybe you should pick your head up out of your worthless books and read a CPI/PCE report or even just briefly look at the M2 Money Supply chart every once in a while you fucking moron. Do you live under a rock?
>>538585015>fuggg bros chinese have affordable food and housing it is so over for themWhat a horrible fate, imagine not living in jewish economic zone usa.
>>538584728grow to where? china is doing ok why would they need to grow
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>>538585343>farmers (IN AMERICA) operate off of subsidies that pay the difference between cost and sales, but they do profit when prices are high.Ftfy dipshit. America and the jews who run it aren't the center of the universe.
>>538585927It was in 2014, but fucking christkike retards voted in rightwingers who ramped up over 50% inflation during their right wing christkike retarded rule where they stole what they could banned abortion and poured more migrants into country than leftist wanted.
>>538589189Western ponzinomics demands infinite growth just to sustain itself.That obviously isn’t possible since infinite growth can’t happen in reality, so it WILL crash, but boomers are determined to delay the inevitable until they’re dead. So that collapse will be the problem of millennials and zoomers to deal with.
>>538588411Do not have debt in jewish banks you fucking moron.When world went from "I can save money to buy house/car" to "I earn enough so jewish bank can lend me money to buy house/car" then everything went down the shitter.
>>538588023>Jews don’t FORCE you to spend money! They just try to manipulate you into doing it by making your currency worthless and punishing anyone who saves it The Holocaust never happened but it really should have
>>538589254Nixon really fucked us.
>>538589656Yes, I can see how from your point of view the acceptable way to live is to sit around and do absolutely nothing with your life.
>>538588023>save money during hyper inflationKill yourself kike.
>>538589804accumulate money so you can spend it latter on next generation or to build your generational wealth is doing nothing.But wasting time trying to catch ever running away currency due to deflation is doing something.Damn nigger, no wonder they need to educate you with nigger english bekuz yu be dumb.
>>538588085Hey listen, the days of posting pseudo-smart econ bullshittery are done. What the fuck are you even talking about? Go look at the statistics of prices/wages/population from 85 to present. Literally the only thing that's changed for the average american family is they have gadgets and lots of entertainment. Meanwhile ALL of our population growth has been illegals. Literally prove anything at all in your post.
>>538584123>If your farmers can’t afford to farm next season because the bottom fell out of the market this season it is bad, yeah.Plus, China already has to import 1/3 of its foodWe should sell them our fat people
>>538583999antisemitism
>>538583999It's antisemitic.
>>538589769He’s still doing it. Most of what people blame on Reagan was planned under Nixon.
>Chinese grocery prices keeps falling>China's economy is collapsing slowlydamn, i cant wait for the collapse then
>>538588298You’re not smart. You’re comparing modern inflation with inflation from the metallic monetary standard era. They are not the same.
>>538583911it's not collapsing. this is good.
This thread shows how utterly mindfucked pol is with Jewish economic theories. That they see low food or housing costs associated a bad thing
>>538590136>Go look at the statistics of prices/wages/population>Literally the only thing that's changed for the average american family is they have gadgets and lots of entertainmentWow you cannot be this fucking dumb. How about you go look at the statistic for U.S. Household Debt from 1985 to present, you fucking dumbass? >U.S. household debt has surged from approximately $2 trillion in 1985 to a record high of $18.8 trillionThis is where the "gadgets and lots of entertainment" (complete slop btw) comes from, not from wage increases which never keep up with the pace of inflation, especially post-COVID. It's all credit card debt and loans spurred on by artificially suppressed interest rates since 2008. None of you fucking idiots have a clue how this economy works.
>>538585903Good, people shouldn’t be spending on bullshit and only spend on what is necessary. Fuck all parasitic corporations let them collapse
>>538590668>dude just make everything cheaper lmaohello lefty
>>538583911I wouldn't ask for a raise during rapid deflation. Greedy retards.
>>538587836Correct. People will always spend money on what they want or need at the moment, if somebody needs a car to drive they won’t wait year after year for a lower price. Maybe boomers but that is it
>>538590744>dude just print infinity money and take on more debtHello pedophile.
>>538590961>dude if you don't support x retarded thing then you must support y retarded thing lmaohello faggot
>>538590744>dude just keeps getting worse making everything more expensiveHello Jew
>>538591115socialism is the most jewish thing in existence
>>538591036>dude don't make things cheaper make them more expensive which can only be done by debt and hyper-inflation>uhhh I don't support debt and hyper inflationYou were brain damaged in the womb and are probably a subhuman thief that wants to rape children. I wish Hitler won so you would've never been born.
>>538591216Capitalism and Marxist socialism are the most Jewish things. You are nigger that is falling for the Esau gambit tactic of the Jews. Bet you think Trump is based, dumb retard
>>538584185>Listen, the music label HAS to make 90% margins or else the band that lost money on this album won't be able to afford making music anymoreFarmers don't account for most of the cost of food.
>>538585903>If everyone stops spending, because the price tomorrow is lower than today>I'm going to hold off on buying food for a month to wait for the price to dropFinance bros actually, unironically think this is a market mechanic.
>>538590744>dude just make everything cheaper lmao>hello lefty>The Bolshevik hyperinflation (1917–1923) was an uncontrollable financial crisis where the government printed vast sums of fiat currency to finance the Civil War, nationalize industry, and purposefully attempt to eliminate capitalism. This resulted in total currency devaluation, widespread barter, and the near-collapse of the Russian economy.Sound familiar?
>>538584220Yuan/dollar exchange rate is in the normal range
>>538587395>Wants new car/appliances/services/boat/whateverYou're arguing that food prices going down will end the economy. Don't shy away from that. Explain how food being affordable will bankrupt anyone who shouldn't be shot for gatekeeping food.
>>538584520They can't buy those goods if they don't exist. If I produce 100 apples for $100 and intend to sell them for $2 each, but by the time they get to market they're only worth $0.90, then even if they all get bought out, next year I don't make 200 apples, I make zero, because it's not worth it. In many industries this is an annoyance as products go out of stock. In the food industry this is deadly because food shortages lead to hungry, angry people. That said, because the food industry is so important most governments subsidize it in some way to ensure there is always a consistent supply of food.China will be fine, but deflation can be a problem in some industries.
>>538585651Ya. That was called serfdom. People werent fans
>>538583911if China were vegan-leaning they'd be in charge of everything.Right now they're heavy meat eaters so they don't get the Mandate.
>>538584085Paying 25-60% less for the same item isn't actually cheap if your income is 90%+ lower.
>>538583911>oh no everything is getting cheaper! This is way worse than inflation!!!Yeah right
>>538592009That status only lasts a couple of months, next comes the cuba stage even if you got the money there's simply nothing you could buy with it because nobody produces anything or has a intend to sell it.
>>538583911...population decreased anon. Enough to change supply and demand adjusted algorithm pricing.
>>538584034Producer made 10 products for 500 dollarsNext day market forces to lower price of a product to 40Somehow producer sells it all offProfits? Grand total of -100 dollars. Producer decides to fire employer.Next day product costs 35 dollars a piece, but only can sell for 20Producer files for bankrupcy. End of story.
>>538583999If the value of money increases over time then it makes sense to not spend it, but money has no intrinsic value, it exists to be exchanged so it’s a race to the bottom and productive work slows. /pol/ will ofc say that inflation is Jewish trickery.
Its so oyver
>>538591912what if you were a communist slave but also the government wanted your nation to die
>>538583911Yeah the prices are cheap and housing even cheaper. But these groceries on apps aren't cheap only because of deflation but also because of heavy discounts and coupons, as Meituan and Elema are fighting for market share.Picrel, even western chains are taking part, such as Tim Hortons giving steep discounts on their in app orders.
>>538583911In America it’s worth $200
>>538593260Most of our economies are service economies, so there isn't much production to lose anyway
>>538589618Ok polak, tell that to a farmer that has to buy a 80k tractor for 300 acres with attachments, rent a combine, buy fuel, ect...
>>538584214>China enforces strict maximum residue limits (MRLs) for glyphosate in domestic food and imported goods—such as restricting sugarcane residues to 2.0 mg/kg and grains to 200 parts per billion>The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) allows a maximum glyphosate residue tolerance of \(30 \text{ parts per million (ppm)}\), or \(30,000 \text{ parts per billion (ppb)}\), in American cereal grains. This limit is the maximum amount legally allowed on crops like wheat and oats before they enter the food supply.I'm not sure how to explain to a brainlet like yourself what an order of magnitude more or less glyphosate means.I think this is the part where I tell you to seethe and cope
>>538592324>simply nothing you could buy with it75 iq Pajeet doesn't know China has robots that work for free.
>>538583999Japan suffered deflation before their big collapse, the Lost Decades. Chinese news outlets, and Xi himself, is battling deflation. China is also suffering from severe unemployment due to the scarcity of the economy. There's just no growth happening, so there's no jobs that need people in a country of 1 billion. That's where deflation hits the hardest. If you're secure right now and you can hold onto it, you'll be fine. But your kids are doomed, and kids are everything. Also if you're unstable now as an adult you'll never make it no matter how many years pass. It basically means China has no future for the next few decades. China's own Lost Decades.
>>538596539>Amerimutt's wet dreamBut next year, China will grow in real GPD again, unlike you.
>>538596679No, China is quite doomed. It's not an opinion. They need to find jobs for hundreds of millions of people, that's how many are unemployed or working temporary jobs.
>>538596885>temporary jobs badYou have desperation on your skin.
>>538597065One of China's "most influential macroeconomists in China’s capital market" disagrees with you. You're clear wrong on this one, and the Chinese people themselves would agree.
>>538586000>what is JapanChina can probably survive another 40 to 50 years with deflation. Japan has been slowly sinking but holding on since 1990. Things continue to deteriorate from a monetary policy perspective and Japan’s currency is obliterated at this point, but China has decades before they get there. They just started their slow collapse and deflationary journey a few years ago
>>538583911>china just continues on fine and does nothing because the jews crying are ignored by a strong central government>winshuh, intredastingk...
>>538596539Japan suffered deflation after their collapse and the plaza accords, not before. Get your history right. During the 80s the Japanese Economy was overheating with high inflation. Only sueing the lost decade, deflation took reign due to entirely different reasons as in China.Our prices are low simply because of vast improvements in automation and productivity in everything, even investment heavy things such as factories, which allows every 30something to open a factory or start a business to compete. And easy entry to competition means low prices for the consumer and destructive price wars that will eventually bottom out as most competitors die. As consumers, we just enjoy the ride as long as it lasts.
>>538583911Its over, everyone with houses, jobs, and cheap stuff...
food is for eating not for speculation
>>538596885>they fucking killed himI really wanna see shit hit the fan in a dictatorship already, like just a changing of hats. Putin or Xi assassinated by their rivals over the failure of Ukraine/Economy, especially if the new leadership isn't as competent and were simply the first ones to make the move. Power struggle is always fun to watch.
jewish economics say prices can only go upchina just proved them wrong
>>538585903>Family, lets no buy bread or meat, and just wait another week to save 30 cents by licking our own asses
>>538583999OP is mentally handicapped; he doesn't know that China's prices are lowering due to a massive investment in infrastructure and modernisation.Things now cost way less to produce and transport, and this reflects in the final prices.Imagine you are a farmer. 10 years ago you were working with your hands in your tiny plot of land; now you mechanise everything. Energy is cheap because there is a massive solar power plant every few hundred km, fertilisers are cheap because they're all made in China and cost pennies to transport across the country.You can afford to sell for less because you are growing so much more for much less.
>>538597277>The Deflationary Spiral: As the economy slowed, consumers and corporations delayed spending and investments in anticipation of lower prices in the future. This drop in demand caused prices to fall further, deepening the economic slumpIn other words, China is doing exactly what 1990s Japan did.
>>538597367Regime change starts at home and now that the orange nigger has bragged to the Japanese PM how smart his perfidy was I 100% wish he'd accidentally get shot in one of his Kayfabe stunts. Funny how the journalist dinner got completely memory holed people still talk about Pennsylvania but not that how fucking interesting.
Guys, the economy isn't a conspiracy theory. It's humans just reacting. Sell high buy low. If you can't sell high you panic and buy low to try and sell even just a few cents higher to gradually make your profit back. If that fails the average person simply runs out of money and gives up. It's just human nature, that's all the economy is.
>>538583999>>538584034It basically slows the entire economy down as it creates a price spiral loop.>Anon is interested in buying a house>House prices are deflating>”Why would I buy it now if it’ll be cheaper next week?”>Repeat across the entire economy
>>538583911When you can afford things that means you are poor. I wish I had more trouble buying things so I'd know im wealthy when i finally can afford to buy stuff.
>>538597524Japan collapsed because America fucked them. The same way America tried to fuck China but failed.Only an American is that ignorant about the history of his own country.
>>538597659If that were true nobody would ever buy a new car. Houses are for living in not for speculating in. We have it 100% backwards dipshit which is why they're eating our lunch.
>>538597189>disagrees with youThat's not me, that's reality telling you China's exports are booming.You have desperation on your skin.
>>538597659Im going to wait buying food, because tomorrow it will be cheaper. Maybe if this model was more common in the US you wouldn't be such a fat faggot.
>>538583911Man i wish the same would happen here. It only knows one way even though we make deal after deal with other countries and pumped in billions in spain and other agriculture countries. Makes zero sense to me. Based on investments and global scale it should go down. Oh wait i forgot my 6-7 Million Country has now 9-10 million people because of foreigners. Ah now it all makes sense. Good for China that they simply can't import enough people even if they want. Good for them. You see the results. Cheap housing, food and overall quality of life did skyrocket the last 20 years.
>>538584185So...supply and demand?Sounds like a solution.
>>538597754Woops wrong Trump pic he's said so many absolutely retarded things lately it's hard to keep track.If he had said any of this in 2024 he would have gotten the lowest popular vote of all time instead of winning it. He won the independents on the idea of low gas prices and affordability. It's like the Dems and Reps are competing who can be the bigger piece of shit absolutely convinced none of the goy cattle will vote 3rd party because sadly most of you won't because you are in fact cattle.
>>538584034Your wage drops too anon.
>>538597659good in theory, bs in practiceyou need food & shelter, you will buy, you won't hold out, it's just a dip and slurpers comethit all comes down to timing: that's when people discover what the actual prices are
>>538584034In theory deflation is bad because it encourages hoarding money. If your currency is deflating then you can gain value by burying it in a hole in the ground and waiting. This would then cause the economy to stagnate as people spend less. The problem with this assumption is that working class people spend most of their money out of necessity. Japan has intentionally deflated the yen for much of the last few decades and it never caused any problems. Because whatever value a regular person could gain by hoarding a deflating currency is outweighed by the fact that they need to buy groceries and pay rent. And even going further up the economic ladder, the opportunity cost of hoarding money isn't worth it for a business, either. A business that holds on to a warchest of money waiting on it to gradually gain value is going to get outcompeted by a business that actually spends their money to expand and improve.So what it really boils down to is that inflation is a tax on people too poor to invest in something that isn't affected by or even benefits from inflation. And that tax is paid not to the government but to the class that can afford those investments. So those people have a vested interest in convincing their governments that deflation is the worst thing ever.
>>538584123>Be Chinese cabbage farmer.>Sell cabbage for 1c each>to nation of 1bn people>1 in 100 people buy one (1)>$100,000>is a fortune in china because everything cheapAlso people buy more when prices are low. Literally no problem here.
>>538583999People stop investing in the economy or giving out loans. It's actually a very bad thing.
>>538584158Deflation happens because no one is buying you retrograde mongrel
>>538597367welcome to propaganda 101Lesson 1: TITLES
>>538597524Yes, let me delay spending on food, that car repair I need, my dentist, a new AC to replace the moldy old one and my kid's present for his birthday. I'm sure that little shit understands that I'm just waiting for it to get cheaper and he has to diet anyway that fat fuck lol
>>538584202The inflation here can only be fought by near catastrophic interest rates drawing down the nearly 20 trillion the kikes pumped into the economy in ten yearsWhich will not happen because that would impact those vermin harshly What is happening in China is what happens when you neglect your agriculture sector and focus on real estate and turbofag build it's to own the west Chinas real estate deflation is coming home to roostBut it is no reason to celebrate The whole world is about to take a gigantic bite of an economic shit sandwich because the money master schemes have ran out of steam We are all fucked, you, me, the kikes, the bugmen, everybodyWe are about to.live in some very interesting times indeed
china will just smuggle useless eaters to america to fix their economy
>>538583911But our Jewish economic experts said deflation was impossible and line must go up
>>538583999checked
>>538599276for an economy to work, yes.see: >>538598868if deflation is the norm people stop buying. Which causes more deflation. Which prompts even less buying. And so on.Deflationary spirals are real, and will fuck-kill your economy with no survivors.A LITTLE inflation is legit good. You don't want people holding onto the bullshit. You want the liquidity moving, which gets raw materials to producers, who get finished goods to 'consumers', etc.IDEALLY money would just be perfectly stable, but realistically, you want just a little bit of inflation to make merely sitting on piles of dosh a bad economic decision long term. Fine for the opportunity cost in the short term - you don't want to lose much value while you weigh your options. But you also don't want it to deflate, where literally the 'best' option is to live leaner and leaner and leaner because practically you will have the buying power of a billionaire because you decided to skip lunch the day before /hyperboleI'm not saying basically every western nation doesn't have problems - but what is happening in China right now... I don't know how to get out of that situation. But I do know how to get out inflationary 'spirals'.
>>538598843>mindless consumers magically stop consuminglol imagine being this retarded
>>538600156Shut up jew.
one coleslaw feeds a whole village what are you even trying to say
>>538584349giving myself a (you) because this place really is just full of more bots than reddit now. sad.
>>538600439they're the same retards who think you can't tax wealth or it goes elsewhere. yeah, the billionaire pedophile created the millions of people who need to buy shit and can just up and move them wherever. that's literally what they're saying. they create markets, not the natural progression of human to human trade.
>>538583911>Chinese grocery prices keeps falling, month after month, despite wages rising, as China suffers yet another year of rapid deflation.>China's economy is collapsing slowly, in real time, for the world to see.Oh...uh... What a tragedy that food is more affordable...We must work together to stifle price drops for the sake of>*Checks list*The Economy.
>>538583911is this a real price drop or is this a delivery service trying to break into the market by throwing coupons everywhere?
>>538584123>If your farmers can’t afford to farm next season because the bottom fell out of the market this season it is bad, yeah.But that isn't how farming works you fucking idiot. They are called FUTURES contracts, because the farmers lock in prices for their products in advance. Goddamn it, left wingers are the stupidest fucking gorilla niggers in the world. It's right there in the FUCKING NAME asshole.
their people are terrified of spending money because they all bought into the real estate market ponzi
>>538598843>Deflation happens because no one is buying>in reply to a picture of a man buying stuff
>>538601723They are not terrified of spending money, you fucking retard. The chinaman sees money as a tool.
>>538584965So as long as you keep the deflation slow enough that the producers still make a profit it's actually good
>>538584034I’m not disagreeing with you. But deflation mostly happens when there’s a recession. No doubt china is hiding something.
>>538584965It’s driven by improvements in automation. When you have robots that are 10 times more productive than workers, prices have to fall. Who here is angry that the price of clothing has fallen from a $100 shirt to $10? That is the equivalent of the price of clothing years ago. It’s due to automation.
>>538584185Why would they need more money if their own prices are cheaper?
>>538583999Checked mate
You need food, you are not going to postpone the purchase of food because you think you might get the same food for cheaper next week.
>>538583999Hum cool it down with the antisemitic remarks sweetie.
>>538600822hope you can digest money
>>538584965China is overpopulated so unironically millions must die.Especially the old since if there are too many of them the burden on the young is far too high.What is the problem?
>>538590931Boomers have a mental disease where they care about literal pennies like this or replacing things that need to be replaced but will casually squander expensive assets and property
>>538597659Damn. Why did anyone buy Elden ring at full price on launch when they could've waited until it's always on sale for like $5 in a decade
>>538585419CPI is measured on a basket of goods. Stop being a retard, prices of different goods do not move in unison.
>>538603975Boomers need to be studied tremendously
>>538584123If they can't afford to operate they can increase the price lmao. Farmers are heavily subsidized anyways. Also with deflation shouldn't their operations cost get cheaper as well?
>>538583999>>538584034LmaoThe average person just thinks things fall out of the sky for them to buy at the supermarket>Omg bread went from $1 to 10 cents! Now everyone can eat 10x as much bread!!!stupid goyim
>>538583999No problem. It's actually a great thing. Means the economy is undergoing a surplus in goods produced. Retards in this thread are pro-keynesian. Shame what /pol/ has become populated by the past 10 years. Thankfully some anons still here with common sense.>>538584965Not really. Automation can greatly decrease the cost of labor and if you're refining raw materials, deflation sweeps across the whole economy uniformly making it cheaper to produce new goods for lower prices and allowing for margin yields to remain the same.>>538585903Where the fuck did you read that China is not spending? They are a net exporter. I'll never understand how nordic countries became rich with such an illiterate younger generation when it comes to economics.
>>538587671Capital saved doesn't disappear from the economy - it's there, waiting for the right moment to seize assets, increase production efficiency and capacity and provide vital goods for a better price to consumers. Houses deflated when the economy went belly up in 2008 and that was great for younger people who had some money saved and had a job.>>538588298You're talking about a time when the monetary system was tied to gold reserves. You couldn't expand monetary mass unless economy output increased as otherwise it would risk making the currency worth toilet paper. You're living in different times and inflation has been largely negative for the majority of the population.>>538597065>>538597497Pretty much China's Gilded Age. It's going through what the US did when it became an industrial powerhouse and had to face deflationary booms once or twice every decade.
>>538583911communism is winning
>>538583999The end of usuric inflation and a mandatory change in how currency is backed and valued if that currency wants to continue existing. Jews hate this and like debt magic too much as a tool to enslave the world
>>538597659I will not wait to buy food because I need it to live, I will not wait to buy a house because I need it to live, if it becomes cheaper then maybe I'll have to earn my living WORKING, AND NOT SPECULATION ENSLAVING OTHER PEOPLE FUCK USURYNIGGERS
>>538583999Deflation causes growth to stall because there's an acute shortage of money coming in. It effectively reduces the profit margins of everything, which means everything has less money to spend on maintenance or other expenses and less access to loans to fund major expenses like replacing a failed machine or expanding production.So the economy becomes less efficient and growth stalls, but demand continues to grow. Demand outpacing production growth causes prices to suddenly spike back up, but without growth to match the price jump just causes the value of currency to plummet and the economy begins a death spiral.Deflation is very dangerous for an economy. It looks nice superficially to see low prices in the grocery store until you realize these items have a real monetary value, and that value falling is bad for the whole economy. You make groceries more affordable by raising wages to match or outpace inflation, not by making the things your economy produces worthless.
>>538606676I know you're being retarded on purpose but imagine the inverse of what you just said, realize how stupid and horrible it is that your bread continually costs more often for less bread. That is the system you full throatedly endorse swallowing Jewish fractional lending.
>>538608546Counterpoint, if supply exceeds demand, then prices should also lower>but what happens when no one buys the exessIt's not like the factories magically dismantle themselves or that production only speeds up by 1% for every hundred dollars you put into a special slot. If that were true America would have no problems outpacing their demand for missile defense systems
>>538583911You are all so assblasted retarded goddamnit this place is so brown codedWhat causes base prices? What makes someone want to work, and for what will they price their labour? At the bottom of this question is BASIC NEEDS.FOOD AND SHELTER.When ur economy, like my dumbass country, has EXPENSIVE shelter, people price their labour very expensively.What does China have????A SURPLUS OF REAL ESTATE.Everyone goes “hurrrrrr durrr deflation”Dumb fucks, the economy deflates all the time in different ways. But as long as other places inflate, it doesn’t matter. So where is it inflating in China??? I’m guessing technology, solar panels, cars etc etc. people may have shelter, but they will work for luxury goods now, doing high tech stuff, manufacturing, etc. to produce food is easy. Too dumb to read??? CHINA ECONOMY DIFFERENT, MAYBE GOOD, MAYBE BAD, BUT WE DONT KNOW YET WHAT WILL HAPPEN BECAUSE REST OF WORLD IS GREEDY REAL ESTATE SLAVE NEO FEUDALISM CAPITALISTIC
>>538583999inflation and obliteration of one's life savings is good for yout. jew
>>538583999People get to eat that's the problem goy
>>538601597I would still like an answer to this question
>>538583999Bro you can't just say stuff like that, Mossad are on the way to your house rn
>>538603479Holy shit the antisemitism in this thread is out of control
>>538609714See >>538595163
>>538583999If the native population aren't funneling 100%% of their wages to decrepit old pedos just to scrape by then they might do bad things like have kids then poo-ing up the country would look even MORE retarded.
>>538584185But they don't need to make as much profit if everything is cheaper
>>538583911Omg they're going to have such abundance they'll have to give everything away for free!
>>538583999There is not enough money and no one is spending it. So shit is cheap but you are paid close to nothing and it's hard to find any other job.If you want to know how bad it is, people in China are messaging friends overseas to make fake purchases to make their business look good on paper. An example you have one friend ask you to make an order for ten pens, you purchase those pens, he gives you a full refund through his own bank account and he can show his boss that he made an overseas sale.I unfortunately know that if China's economy stops or slows down due to lack of demand, my country will shit the bed, as our main export is whatever we can dig out of the ground and sell to China.People will say "this won't effect me" but what Australia gets is hyper inflation, because none of those fifo workers wanted their pay cut and their asses get dumped into the cities to find work.
It's their housing market. Real estate was viewed as the only safe domestic investment. They don't trust the domestic stock market or physical assets, just property, that's their retirement plan. Now that real estate prices are in free fal, they are all realizing they have no retirement and are slashing personal spending.
>>538598396>Japan has intentionally deflated the yen for much of the last few decades and it never caused any problems.This is simply because the average Japanese never took the bait and continued to keep their debt low or non existent. Japanese are notorious for low Household Debt compared to the US. Unlike Americans, the average Japanese learned their lesson from their 1980’s bubble that debt is cancer, even Japanese corporations have balance sheets with very low liabilities. Without massive amounts of debt, inflation can be relatively tame even with currency devaluing itself. The BOJ has been trying to force Japanese people to go into debt and spend into oblivion for decades now with currency devaluation and other tricks like “yield curve control” and the Japanese are just simply not having any of it.
>>538584034Spbp everyone who disagrees is jewish
Why is the thread filled with retards who don't posses even a basic understanding of economics?
>>538584185They can just charge more, who else will the grocery stores buy from?
>>538583999It's very anti semitic
>>538583911>grocery prices keeps falling, month after month, despite wages rising,>>538583999>What is the problem?Ask (((them))).Also checked. Nice!
>>538613817To encourage you to drink more. There are many anons that don't understand logistics.
>>538584123>last year's harvest now pays for the supply costs of the next 5 years>bottom fell outlol. everything gets cheapergosh you are so far from understanding deflation
>>538583911Why is socialism so objectively superior to kiketalism bros
>>538585903Explain how steam makes money when things aren’t on sale? Do you think they are honest about pricing?
The point is we need to ban homosexuality worldwide.Watch the world suddenly change for the better. Iran, the Muzzie states, Russia, Africa are all correct on this one.Sodom and Gomorrah
>>538583911This is not just deflation, its slop revaluation. Goy produce with chink water injection and european gm garbage will get cheap. Real food will become luxury limited to oligarchs
>>538601597There's a Chink Youtuber that I watch. He spent 14 cents on a kilo of oranges. Also rents a room for $30/MONTH and makes like $800 per month.
>>538598422you forgot>costs 2 cents to make each cabbage, net profit -100,000 dollarydoos
>>538609025Yeah, I honestly was thinking about that before. If the "Chinese" were dealing with homelessness/high rent, then those "ghost cities" would have apartments being built instead of just being used as "investments". So they aren't dealing with rent. In reality, they have so much housing surplus that they just half ass buildings just for sakes.
>>538613662I'm actually convinced that much of Japan's low birth rates isn't because "the economy is bad", but because they are all just weird anti-social fucks
>>538616094What about Spain and Italy then?
>>538617343Because they decided they don't want kids. I think the crashing birth rates is caused by a mix of different sources, with each country having their own mix, and not "muh economy bad".In the US, I can definitely say that the crashing birth rate is heavily caused by a bad economy, but Italy and Spain are better off, so much of it is "I don't want kids".
>>538583911Reminder that we had 30 years of deflation during our literal golden age
>>538616094Falling birth rates are due to women entering the workforce, no matter race, culture or economic development status, birth rates are falling all over the world even in places like Thailand and India. The one constant is simply just women entering the workforce. This is encouraged everywhere in the global economy to increase inflation to keep line going up in perpetuity.
>>538617343>>538617529Wrong on all accounts. Falling birth rates are simply due to women entering the workforce in any given country. Once women start working, starting a family and having kids becomes a far distant priority.
>>538617743Maybe in 3rd world countries, it's that, but that doesn't explain the constantly falling birth rates of Western countries. For example, when asked about it, Swedish couples said that they'd still have only maybe 1 or 2 kids if they could afford it comfortably.
>>538617937>but that doesn't explain the constantly falling birth rates of Western countriesUh, yes it does, dumb fuck. Especially since women in the West are more employed now than they have ever been in history. Are you really this retarded?
>>538617743>>538617937Which is why financial incentives aren't going to work mostly. People don't WANT to have a ton of kids. People, even if they have money, are choosing quality over quantity and only having one or two, especially in Europe.In the US, that's a different story because the falling birth rates is much more due to the shit economy. It's still higher for whites in the US compared to Europe anyways because white trash are essentially just bleached niggers.
>>538618082People don’t want the stress of extra kids because most households are dual income households where the women have to work. There is no time or energy for having more kids. Women working also means double the consumption in an economy, thus massively contributing to inflation and unaffordability, while simultaneously also lowering wages because the supply of labor has now doubled. This contributes to the shit economic conditions we see now. Removing women from the work force would literally solve a majority of problems overnight.
>>538588411Most of debt owners are boomers and wealthy jews anyway. Just stop making debt so cheap then we wont have any inflation
>>538618286Cuting retirement plans and pensions would solve half of the problems we have as in developed countries almost half of yearly budged goes to retired people. And it is only going up. This is why they cry about birth rates and import migrants.Why would you need to have more citizens instead of having less but more qualified if not for some shitty economic reason.Compare it to factories. You can sell a lot of shitty stuff or have one good high tech stuff done. You will earn the same amount of money though. But which one is easier? Selling mass shitty stuff than developing something high tech.This is why they constantly cry about birth rates. Fuck retirement plans and retired people. If you do nto have saved money nor family to take care of you you should die alone. Also those retired fucks are the ones keeping housing prices high in centres of cities where young people need to go for work.The whole socialist economy is always inflating untill it collapses.
>>538583911To the Jewish mind, nothing is more heretical than deflation.
>>538608584The only healthy way for an economy to operate is a balance between inflation rates being high enough for investors and low enough for mouth breathers. That's fed chairs job.
>>538618641>Jews are the only people who understand economics. Nope
>>538587622Fren you can plant seedling rn and in 5 years drown in cherries.
>>538619632Those are good looking cherries
>>538618082Our economy is significantly better than Europes economy. There are more job opportunities, higher wages, and lower taxes. >People aren't having kids because of meh economy!Then why are the Amish, whomest live in the same fucking economy, having seven god damn kids on average? Fucking retards want to blame everything but the actual problem. It's cultural.
>>538619630If you see deflation as bad you do not understand economy and just live in jewish bubble of nowadays debt based system.
>>538585903>everyone will starve to death because they stop buying groceries believing that the prices will continue to drop
>>538619799Okay retard. How is deflation good? Please explain it to me, a person who has taken college level economics.
>>538619853>Stop buyingStop producing.
>>538619853This is fine if your economy is 100% built on producing/selling/consuming groceriesbut if you want any advanced production at significant deflation is really fucking bad.the moment it becomes better to simply hold on to worthless fucking paper over investing in production is the moment you got serious economic problems.
>>538597659>just be homeless and starve to death today because housing and food will be cheaper tomorrow!
>>538620013No one is homeless or starving though. People over 30 in our country have an 80% homeowner rate and our starvation rate is effectively 0.
>>538583999Jewraped mind fears the arrow going down
>>538584085Prices are super high in Russia, while they earn like 300-800 usd. >>538583911It's over for 100m Chinese. They will die unless russians become their cheapest or free workers
>>538620114It's about WHY the arrow is going down. Not simpley THAT the arrow goes down.
>>538619889Look retard, you have degree in jewish economics. We had same professors after marxist school of economy who made USSR collapse. Your degree is worthless because you cannot think for yourself.Deflation is good for saving money where you have no debt. It means that your monetary value rises with no debt. So you do not need to have hard assets as these are getting cheaper, so you buy what you need and can spend your money on whatever you want.Also if you work you are rewarded with money that has value that raises, you can invest it because you earned it. Deflation promotes work.Inflation is good only if you have debt, because it makes debt lower with every inflation. But to store value you have to have assets i.e. housing which is hard asset which value raises with inflation (in fact the value stays the same but your money loses power). So inflation forces you to spend money because it loses value. Retards like oyu are taught it is a good thing "because money circulates yadda yadda". But in fact it creates problems like housing hoarding as investment asset, goods shortages, and all of the shitty stuff we have every few years when inflatory bullshit hits the fan and we have to bail out banks who created money of of thin air. And this money out of thin air is given away to people who would never have any money because they cannot do any real wokr, but be parasites and scheming crooks. This is why every few years due to inflatory and debt based system you get crashes. It is retarded system only idiots believe to be good. It rewards scheming and not work.
>>538619957As someone else in the thread pointed out, millions of people happily buy Steam games at release for $70 knowing full well the same game will be massively discounted within a few months. They pay full price because they want it TODAY.Now apply the same logic to any good or service going through deflation, people aren't going to magically stop buying gas and groceries and housing and entertainment even if they know it will be cheaper tomorrow. If anything they will purchase more because they are getting more for their money.
>>538620183>It means that your monetary value rises with no debtHoly fucking shit. Are you seriously conflating currency appreciation with deflation????HAHAHAHA
>>538587670Either government full pay farmers or idk how they work. Even in russia with lowest salaries and low quality food,This>0.5kg bananas>0.3kg lettuce>0.25kg chicken breasts>160g hamWill cost 5-10 usd. If you search shops yourself. Ofc food quality will be bad
>>538620183Stupid fucking nigger. Lmao. Currency appreciation and depreciation is not the deflation and inflation we're talking about in this context. Stupid fucking nigger
>>538620237>>538620272Ah I see you are one of those who do not understand inflation and deflation being only about monetary value and think supply and demand and price fluctuation due to these is inflation and deflation.HAHAHA what a fucking retard. This is why your ecoomy is collapsing. Just like USSR and other Soviet States (together with Poland) did.
>>538620389>inflation and deflation being only about monetary value and think supply and demand and price fluctuation due to these is inflation and deflation.You're simply making a semantic argument. "Deflation" OP is talking about is a falling demand for goods. That's the way all modern economists use the term. You DO understand increases in supply and demand causes the value of things to change, right?>You're using the Marxist definition It sound like you're using the Marxist definition if you're totally ignoring supply and demand. Lmao
>>538617937>For example, when asked about it, Swedish couples said that they'd still have only maybe 1 or 2 kids if they could afford it comfortably.>comfortablyThey mean that they'll get 2 kids if they can have a house, a car, a boat, a summer cottage, and yearly vacations. Because that's the standard people want and see around them - even poor fucks in thailand know how good other people have it. But it's impossible for everyone in the world to have that standard, especially if everyone is individualistic and wants assets of their own: you'd need 8 billion cars, houses, boats, cottages, game consoles, etc etc. The resources necessary to extract, refine and power this fantasy does not exist on this earth.
>>538620502>Deflation" OP is talking about is a falling demand for goodsIsn't this irrelevant for food?
>>538620502>That's the way all modern economists use the term.Because they are fucking imbeciles. And those imbeciles taught you same shit. Your degree is worthless.>It sound like you're using the Marxist definitionAdam Smith, father of capitalism, was a marxists and Austrian School of Economics is full of marxists. News at 11.
>>538600156>if deflation is the norm people stop buying. Which causes more deflation. Which prompts even less buying.>If the price of food or housing goes down, people will stop buying it, lowering the price and creating a vicious cycle
>>538583911CHINA COLLAPSING FINALLY!GUYS, JUST 2 MORE DEFLATIONS AND CHINA DUNTRUST DUH PWANDONATE TO MEEEEEEWATCH AND SEECHINA SO DUUUUUUNmeanwhile, china thrives while USA burns under their loads of niggerpoopskins
>>538583911Both deflation and inflation are bad
>>538620689No, it's not. China is still an agrarian society despite the fancy cardboard neo cities, which means falling demand for things like food will undoubtedly cripple economic development. Furthermore, demand for things like housing and consumer goods are dropping too, which is absolutely crippling their economy, especially considering it's still filled with borderline peasants who need farming or construction jobs and has a growing class of college educated people (because of free college policy) who can't find jobs for their education level. TLDR it's not collapsing but it's closer to a collapse than it is a golden age of prosperity. >>538621302Just shut the fuck up retard.
>>538621750It's absolutely not thriving. If it was, wealthy Chinese wouldn't be flocking to the US.
>>538602439Nigger I was buying shirts for $5 20 years ago and 3.50 now
>>538621871>Just shut the fuck up retard.Ah the strenght of argument from someone who does not understand that inflation and deflation is only about monetary value. And supply and demand which changes prices i.e. due to oil or energy pices is not deflation nor inflation, because monetary value stays the same. It is just supply and demand and chain of supply problem. Unless you are fucking imbecile who thinks when you go to a shop and have a bargain bin you enconquered deflation in this bin. And this is what these jewish professors taught you. Look prices in bargain bin are lower - THIS IS DEFLATION!
>>538621302Imagine thinking Adam Smith was the founder of capitalism or a Marxist. /Pol/ education has rotted your brain. No one "founded" capitalism. The relationship between supply and demand was discovered, not created. Fucking idiot. >MarxistWhen he talked about "landlords" he was talking about literal European nobility like kings and queens. The word meant something different back then just like their understanding of "inflation". /Pol/ did not teach you economics. It did the opposite. You didn't understand what you were reading..
>>538622007Read this you dumb nigger. You have no argument because you fundamentaly misunderstand economics. >>538622073
>>538622007So your argument is literally that deflation and inflation should not describe changes in supply and demand like it does in modern economics?
>>538622073>Imagine thinking Adam Smith was the founder of capitalism or a Marxist.damn nigger you do not even have basic skills to comprehed sarcasm and you want to do economy.>No one "founded" capitalism.No shit. Adam Smith was one who described it and was rooting for free market and that everyone should be able to own his own capital and could do enterpeuership freely and described how market suply and demand works as a first person in western history. Thus he is coined "father of capitalism". If you do not know this and you have degree from some shitty economic school then your degree is completely and utterly worthless.> The word meant something different back thenIt didn't you fucking imbecile. It literally meant someone owning a land and taking money from you for using this land.> just like their understanding of "inflation".Inflation was literally described in wealth of nations as money losing value due to various reasons. Mostly because jews and kings chipped coins and/or minted them with worse materials. Which is the same shit nowadays. You money loses value due to more shitty money being poured into market.
>>538620231that is a very different situation from that money buying literally everything for less laterYou're talking about what people do with their money in an inflationary economy. No shit they're going to spend now. To be sure, media consumers are retarded, but they're still not in a mindset where the economy has indicated the medium of exchange itself is the means to wealth itself.I will repeat myselfthe moment it becomes better to simply hold on to worthless fucking paper over **investing** in **production** is the moment you got serious economic problems.fucking video games aren't a cascade economic force. they're deadend consumer nigger tech for braindead cattle. I'm talking about someone who is going to spend on multi-thousand dollar machining systems to manufacture multi-thousand dollar machining systems.
>>538622151Yes, inflation/deflation of monetary value and supply and demand are completely different things this is why these are named differently for fucks sake.As confucius said - to fix the nation first we have to fix the meaning of the words. If you see inflation/deflation as supply and demand then you are mixing two different things and you get shitty and wrong results from wrong assumptions.
>>538622249>It didn't you fucking imbecile. It literally meant someone owning a land and taking money from you for using this land.They were literally the state and peasants did not enter into consensual contracts with them. Modern landlords are NOT the state and operate via consensual contract and pay a portion of their income to the state (who is still technically the traditional "landlord" for this reason)TLDR the state is always the landlord and the state has convinced you otherwise by creating a middle man. >Inflation was literally described in wealth of nations as money losing value due to various reasons. Okay, and definitions change. We use "appreciation" and "depreciation" for that now. We have for hundreds of years.
>>538622341Okay, but OP is talking about a fall in demand. Not currency appreciation. Chinas currency is NOT appreciating.
deflation is really bad, most ordinary working people have way more mortgage debt than cash savingsyou want your debt to inflate away, not get more expensive
>>538622405Read the fucking Wealth of Nations. They reap where the did not sow. This is what he wrote about Landlords. His problem was that paesant has to pay for doing work on the land instead of doing the fucking work and benefiting out of it which allowed him to do enterpeuership. He was against people hoarding land and goods and not working on it themselves and keeping poor people from aviability of land and aviability to work on it.It still aplies to landlords nowadays.>Okay, and definitions change.Only to fir crooked bullshit they sold you as economy, where debt based economy just inflates everything by creating money out of thin air.Do you even understand how debt based economy works? That evey single time a bank gives a loan this moeny is created out of thin air and that bank only need fraction of the loan to really exist? Every single loan is inflatory and steals moeny form the people who save money by pouring shittier money into the market.Nothing fucking changed since Adam Smith in how markets and value of goods and money works. You changed words and meaning of words to delude yourselves hat you know what you are doing, but shit still works the same. And deflation is good for people doing work, while inflation is good for stealing money from whole population by destroying monetary value.
>>538622453So they do not have deflation but change in supply and demand. So why do you call it deflation you fucking dumb nigger?
>>538622481Put people in prison, tell them the utside world is bad and prison is to keep them safe. Then remove the prison bars. They will stay in the prison without bars out of fear you implanted in them. This is what you described."we cant have deflation because we fucked up economy so bad and made everyone rely on jewish banks that if you cut them off everything will collapse".USSR and soviet states collapsed due to same thinking pattern.
>>538622625>They reap where the did not sow.Yes anon. The landlords of old collected property taxes from all the people in their land. Just like modern capitalist states collect property taxes from everyone who lived in their landsOr how communist states like China collect property taxes from every single person. The "landlord" in Smiths context is the STATE not what we would call a "landlord" today, who also pays this property tax to the state, or the traditional "landlord". Why do you think Smith is championed by libertarian ancaps who believe in private property? This is why you shouldn't read "wealth of nations". You didn't understand what you were reading because of how old it is.
>>538619632The fren of mine bought some land and builds a house. Afaik they are not allowed to have any trees they want on their land because "muh, nature protection". Pay many hundreds of euro dolarinos and can't even have cherry tree on your land. Will we ever get rid of this level of bureaucracy in Germany?
>>538622689Because that's what it's been called for two hundred years.
>>538590708See you're doing it again. You're not actually explaining anything you're just citing random statistics and saying it caused something. Everything you're saying is just random midwit slop. Why did all our gadgets and entertainment come from debt? It came from the military industrial complex. Wages haven't gone up probably because of immigration but I don't actually know and I don't think you do either. You're 100% full of shit and have zero idea what you're talking about. You don't even know where the beginning is. Literally prove anything you say. Why should I believe you? Prove anything.
>>538622995>The "landlord" in Smiths context is the STATE It isn't you fucking imbecile. He literally bashes nobility for hoarding goods and lands and throwing out parties by spending money on useless shit instead of allowing paesants to do enterpeuership with the money he collected from them for working land as a landlord.You never read the basics of economy and you claim you have economy degree.I have the fucking book right next to me.
>>538618584>Cuting retirement plans and pensions would solve half of the problems we have as in developed countries almost half of yearly budged goes to retired peopleAgain, issues regarding retirement plans and pensions would literally solve itself by simply just removing women from the workforce. Retirement plans and pensions are unsustainable because we have twice as many people (eg women) than we need drawing out from these retirement schemes, removing women from the workforce, and thus from retirement plans and pensions, would halve the amount of retirement plans and pensions we would have to uphold and maintain. By removing women from the workforce, only the one male sole bread winner of the family would have a (very powerful and robust) retirement plan or pension, easing the burden of maintaining these retirement schemes. This solution would be further synergized by the fact that women, now free from the constraints of the workforce, would be free to have more kids to further increase the population and thus further easing future payments into these retirement plans and pensions. There is no solution without removing women from the workforce, and if they are not removed from the workforce, NOTHING is going to improve. Any other proposed mechanism is not a real solution to long term longevity of developed western nations.
>>538623160It wasn't Wealth of Nations is barely over 200 years.
>>538623220Ah, see Z7rXpQP5, this is the pure /pol/ economics of retards.No, removing women from workforce wouldn't guarantee you pussy.
>>538623220I actually have nonworking woman in my wifes family. Her grandmother never worked a day in life. She just had 2 kids though (still below replacement levels). She lives through her husband who died 5 years ago and she got his pension despite being a fucking parasite whole her life.Women not being in workforce fix completely nothing. My mother was in workforce and had 5 kids on the contrary. She even got degree in chemistry.
>>538623197>>538623226This is the last time I'm gonna try to explain this. Modern "landlords" are what smith considered "tenant farmers", who he had a lot of respect for. The people he called "landlords" were more like a modern state.
>>538619630So both inflation and deflation are bad? KekEconomists are so mindrotten.
>>538623307>No, removing women from workforce wouldn't guarantee you pussy.I have a wife and kids you fucking retard. Guess what? She doesn't work, and hopefully neither will my daughter. Thanks for outing yourself though as too low IQ and economically illiterate to come up with a proper rebuttal for what is a very simple solution. All it does is further show how correct and infallible it is.
>>538623567Yes. Both are bad. You want a little bit of inflation and no deflation. That's a gross oversimplification, but meh.
>>538623401What the fuck does any of your gay worthless slop you posted have to do with inflation or fixing the economy? Do you have any real arguments or are you just going to continue to make yourself look like a fucking idiot on the internet?
>>538623611lo sure you have.
>>538623702Still waiting on an argument...
>>538623697shut up incel, you have zero idea about economy. Even the degree guy who mixes inflation with supply and demand is smarter than you.You just hate women, but you cannot wait to get retired so you can get all these gibs. You are the fucking problem.
>>538623641Kek. No, no thanks. No, I don't want inflation. I want my purchases to cost less. I also want to still buy what I usually buy. If an economy can't function that way, then we need to rethink economics.
>>538623474You literally posted my definition.THE LANDLORD: "THE PRIVATE ARISTOCRAT"You are so stupid you just proved my definition right with this screen but are arguing against what you posted yourself.You claimed earlier landlord was a state in Smiths writing. But just here you proved it isn't.
>>538623768>We need to rethink economics. Anon. Please just take a class or two. You can't just make lower demand for goods not lead to lower demand for labor. It's simply not possible. You can ignore it, but it won't change anything..
Or let's put this another way - let's say some consumers are unhappy with high prices. Deflation is le bad, so what's the solution? To make more money? But when people here bring up UBI, it's posited that corporations will simply raise prices of everyone has $x more. So we can't lower prices, and we can't make more money.. hmmm.. where does that leave us?
>>538623750Absolutely sneeding. So you're too retarded to come up with a proper rebuttal. Ok, thanks for wasting everyone's time, retard. Meanwhile you probably don't even know what M2 Money Supply is yet somehow feel entitled to talk about inflation. Just admit you are an emotionally driven idiot and bow out already before you embarrass yourself further.
>>538623823It's more like the state. Smith landlords take no risks and don't hire people. Just like a modern state. Modern landlords take risks and hire people like smiths tenant farmers did. Pretty simple.
>>538623873So we can't lower prices, and we can't make more money.. hmmm.. where does that leave us?
>>538583999A check for Finngolia
>>538623873you actually can if the goods you demand are high quality. Then the labor for producing high quality goods is higher, while the demand is low.See any high tech shit that takes teams of 20-30 engineers to design and hundreds of physical workers to produce one thing like oil tanker in 2-3 years.They could be producing millions of canoes in the same time.
>>538623938>Modern landlords take risksKek, delusions.
>>538624014Yes, this. We have decades of price gouging and corner cutting to correct. Anyone deriding deflation just hates the middle and lower class.
>>538623932Oh fucking mysoginist incel. Your "just cut off women from workforce" fixes absolutely nothing in retirement plans. It just creates biger hole in the system, because instead of having only retired people to keep alive in the system you just poured another millions of people into system that needs to be kept alive. You just made things worse by imagining that if you do not allow women to work suddenly you will get more kids, especially male who will work. While the system is collapsing with migrants who are working and supplying this system. Because the retirement system is completely idiotic and did not take into account that people live longer and longer and you also did not take that into account because you are fucking idiot. It is completely retarded stance as you are fucking retard.
>>538620183You DO realize that inflation is downstream of women/migrants entering the workforce (open borders and DEI hires) which is downstream of the Federal Reserve Quantitative Easing (eg "money printing")/suppressed interest rates right? Where do you think all that excess trash cash that floating around the markets goes towards? All work in tandem to keep inflation perpetually rising while keeping wages suppressed. Women in particular make up 85% of consumption GLOBALLY, they control over $35 trillion in consumer goods spending worldwide. Money printing, migration and women in the workforce are all different levers used in the same goal of keeping inflation rising in perpetuity. Even if women weren't responsible for such a massive share of global consumption, just the mere fact that the workforce has nearly doubled by simply just pushing women to work in the last would automatically alone double the amount of consumption (eg inflation) while simultaneously lowering wages to such a drastic increase in the supply of the labor pool. You will never have tame inflation with women in the workforce and earning their own money. Never.
