I can tell you confidently that humans time is numbered. It’s fucking brilliant. You need a team of experts working for days to do what it can do in an hour. Few more years and it will be over.
>>538613802Wait until your app.js is 6000 lines long and you have to refactor it
>>538613900Kek this
>>538613802I bet, that's why all apps are dramatically better and less buggy that 4 years ago
>>538613802So you're saying we don't need Indians?
>>538613802you AI faggots said that 3 years ago.
>least self hating kike/jeetthe thread
developers are being replaced, real jobs won'talso if claude is so good then why are you still poor?
>>5386139943 years ago we didn’t even dream of this level of AI. I didn’t even believe AI would ever be able to create videos. I thought images is its limits. But here we are.
>>538613802> Using Claude in a browser> Writing CSS > Using 4.5
>>538614018>why are you still poorHa?
i imagine next few decades in softdev will be spent on de-slopping entire industry of broken ai code lol
>>538614047>3 years ago we didn’t even dream of this level of AI.you said the same thing three years ago when gpt 3.5 dropped
>>538614060I took it from google.
>google apps
>>538614095Yup, exactly. You’re proving my point.
>>538614105Post real progress then nigger
>>538613802wow check out this l33t h4x0r
I’m no software developer but I have always heard AI code is only as good as the code it’s trained on.
>>538614018ai driven robots operating heavy equiptment, paving roads, laying bricks is also coming
I used it to make a bunch of chrome extensions, pretty based people crying about AI are usually faggots
>>538614119Yup. I was tying to remove google play services dependency. It fucking did it. And even modified the behavior of the apps exactly as I needed.
>>538613900So you just minify it and gzip, now it's 500 lines>But all our cool parameters and function namesOh boo hoo. Only Claude needs to understand it not you
>>538613900>high effort>enough tokens>20-30 minutes timeAnd how much time it will take you to refactor 6000 lines of code? I suppose it’s a task that you will estimate with a month or two.Code monkey cope is insane.
>>538614149it's mostly true, if you try to do something that isn't in its training data it will hallucinate exponentially more. For the quantity of data ai consumes it seems to be quite poor at actual reasoning.
>>538614128yeah and three years later it ain't over like you said it would be. you're still a code nigger saying just a few more years bro
>>538614139I don’t need to prove shit to u. It’s enough for you to know that it installed android emulator, rooted it, installed the apps, dumbed the memory, decrypted it, then patched them, recompiled them, and tested them.
>>538613802That's basic web dev 101 shit. I (try) to use it for advanced scientific computing tasks and like all the others it routinely swaps a more easily pattern matched approximation of what I asked for that's well-represented in its training data rather than the more challenging thing itself.
>>538614149No longer true. I didn’t even use it to code. I used it to reverse engineer apps and then put some codes.
>>538614068why are you still poor?
>>538613900My ((app)) is 82000 LOC, none of it built with AI
>>538614060Kek, good spotting. Also, using sonnet instead of opus, op is confirmed retard
>>538614259Refer to post below OP as you are a faggot and they said it better>>538614269
>>538613802Shieet, CSS programmers are done for. Meatsacks BTFO.
>>538614256people need time to adapt. No body expects everything flip in few years. Things will slowly move to AI until nothing is left for humans.
>>538613802I’m using Claude to make a video game with Unreal Engine and it constantly backpeddles, or will sometimes say “oh wait, actually you should…” in like paragraph three of a response. It will have full conversations with itself, this is true, it’s just not really productive at all without constant human intervention.
>>538614215It's not about code size. It's called maintainability you doofus.The larger and more complex the code becomes, the more duplication there is, the harder it is to make changes. That includes your ability to make it easier to change.This happens regardless of if you're using AI or not. You'll slow down more and find changes are less effective and cause more bugs.The AI will hallucinate more and more as well because you're not working with a pristine codebase and it will get confused.
>>538614269The picture is generic from google. The my actual project was reverse engineering google apps and remove google play services, and modify some of the apps behavior. Web development i don’t even consider it a real talent. The thing that me really impressed is its ability to reverse engineer softwares and patch them.
>>538614305Yeah 6000 is way too low but he has the right idea.
>>538614259But yet you're posting here, looking for strangers approval. You're fucking brown so you already lost.
>>538613802soon it'll code your own compiler
>>538614345This. It constantly fucks up and breaks shit that you tell it specifically not to change. OP is a faggot.
>>538614438I am not. I just wanted to express my admiration for claude. I never thought it was going to be this advanced.
>OP 10 pbtid 'my """""""tech""""""" job encompasses the entirety of all human experience'
>>538614235>And how much time it will take you to refactor 6000 lines of code?Not that long with a well structured codebase, Neovim or any repeatable macro system, and an LSP... Can take literal seconds or minutes depending on the change. That anon really undershot how big a codebase can grow before it's unwieldy (in fact it has little to do with LOC), but it seems you don't know either.
>>538614345you are just not using the right model. sonnet is for web shit and boilerplate, opus is for new features or minor refucktoring, fable can absolutely do all your shit in ten minutes, but it'll cost $50.
>>538614642>muh Neovimpoofter faggot spotted. getting some serious niggerlover vibes too
>>538614345The point of AI isn’t replacing humans completely (at least not yet). I also to had to keep constant supervision to make sure it’s doing what it’s supposed to do. It even kept pushing against me insisting that its method is better than mine. However, what it did in an hour would have needed a team working on it for days. Replacing a team with one person to supervise is effectively ending the need for humans.
>>538614719What editor do you use?
>>538614723>would have needed a team working on it for daysNo. It's just running scripts it found on the Web. I mean if you're clueless and don't care about quality or security (you clearly don't) then you can copy-paste random instructions from web forums even without AI.
>>538613802Nobody gives a shit about your webapp that can probably thrown together just using WordPress.
>>538614787Lmao it literally reversed engineered some software for me that no one has heard of.
>>538614823Thread over, this guy is a retard
>>538613802>I use AI to do ultra-basic front-end pseudo-dev shit that any 75IQ indian was able to do after a 1-week bootcamp before AI became a thing, and which then and now is as much a marketable skill as being able to flip a burger>I am very smart saar!ok Sanjeet, you will be CEO of Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, Sony, Samsung, and also Huawei in just two weeks!
>>538613802so what are you doing exactly?
Now it’s reverse engineering an android app trying to crack it so it no longer needs an online certificate. Let’s see if it actually going to work.
>>538614906Removing the google play services dependency from google apps. It worked. So i told it to crack an android app for me. It’s still working on it.
>>538613802Can this claude thing unclod your toilet though?I guess so. Poland will prevail.
>>538614921> PowerShell> Claude code desktop Lol
>>538613802>team of experts working for days to set foreground and background color and outline standard options for a login menu
>>538614906telling AI: "pls write me CSS code to make that button over there look that specific color and with that specific font size, then make that other button over there look that other specific color and with that other specific font size etc">i am now very smart sotware engineer doctorate of professorate of magna cum laude nobel prize winning programmer saar, i will now migrate to USA and be CEO of microsoft in two weeks saarfucking indians man
>>538614345>I’m using ClaudeI use the med tier paid for menial engineering tasks that would take a junior engineer hours. As long as you give it a very clear parameter over described with an example of what to do it's fine.It can pull data from a set of pdf construction plans (all photo recognition) cross reference it through another set of data documents for a high/low attributes at those locations and then edit a 3rd document parsing all of it. I can feed it 3 example cost proposals, then the new stuff for a new proposal like a construction schedule and it'll estimate quantity and times and give estimates that are ~40-60% there, and it's much easier for me to edit a fucked up but close attempt than start from scratch Its at the level of a recent engineering grad for most things, and it really is just removing my need for having to pay some kid and train him and then watch him change jobs in 6 months. I can see it decimating the engineering school enrollments in 5 years
>>538613802this AI business has really opened my eyes to what the average retard considers "programming"
>>538615014you don't understand, it's literally CODE like in the MATRIX movies, so it means he must be VERY VERY smart if he's doing stuff with CODE >literally pic related, but kumar instead of karlie
>>538614921>picYou seem to be running into troubles. I find the same thing with reverse engineering. AI is great at taking programs apart, figuring out how they work, and rebuilding them, but as soon as it comes to actually changing the internal logic it falls apart.I recommend using a real reverse engineering framework and see if you can get the AI to integrate it. I'm using Ghidra MCP, I don't know if there's anything like that for Android apps.Then you can get it to find the logic and label surrounding code. Then you can make changes yourself.
>>538614719Come on tell us, what editor do you use?Whatever you think about my editor, at least I'm not a coward. I came out and said Neovim instead of lying and saying Vim or Emacs even though I know some people like you will give me shit for it.What editor do you use? Come on.Also I hate niggers, browns, and jews
>>538613900Skill issue
>>538615269warningdo NOT take this bait
>>538613802you are patching CSS?
>>538614399Is Test Driven Development not a thing at all anymore?
>>538613802we don't need anymore shitty software.I hope we imprison or execute every tech fag behind this AI shit.these tech companies have too much fucking money and the end result of the last decade of their decadence is stupid brainrotted kids and psychotic adults who think the point of life is posting their hyper consumerism to social media.wretched fucking scum should all be wiped out.NONE of this tech has stopped inequality from spiraling, hasn't brought housing costs down, hasn't stopped a criminal coup from taking over the government.I fucking hate every single person involved with this shit and we need an administration who will wipes these fuckers out.
It’s finally done. Let’s try the app now.
>>538614070They'll just throw more compute at the exponentially disgusting, broken and spaghettified code.I'm looking forward to watching the disaster unfold.
>>538613802What is that a picture of? Is that your code? What IDE are you using?
>>538616780This too. Why do we need moooore apps more code more bullcrap?They could make excellent videogames in the 90s and 2000s. Social media just werked in the 2000s. YouTube was around 2010 or earlier.I can't think of anything now that couldn't exist with 2015 and earlier level of computing and code.
>>538614159Fucking luddite boars
>>538617015The limitation of robotics, mecatronics, etc. is all software. We can mass produce enough servos to replace every human limb in existance, but without the software, the servos are useless.
>>538616885First attempt failed. The app didn’t work and the 5 hours limit is up. I will have to wait
>>538617159Meant here >>538616805
>>538617101It's actually not software genius, it's called firmware. And no, that's not the bottleneck, the bottleneck is the getting the controls logic for the system to function across near infinite external variables, which is precisely why most "robots" operate under set physical constraints to reduce those variables.So yea, you're ignorant as fuck and your opinion goes into the trash.
>>538613802Yeah, level 10 here, we’re fucked honestly. Also, (you) probably want to update your LinkedIn in the morning.
>>5386139943 years ago AI was a bad text generator, now AI is beginning to be actually useful beyond meme level shit. The field is developing so fast that no one is really keeping up. 3 years ago the idea that the US government would ban an AI model as unsafe for release was unthinkable, now its a reality. No one is really prepared for where this is going to go.
>>538616780Be careful you might piss off a tranny and they'll come in and call you a luddite.
>>538614955which app? which dependencies? there are levels to this some are trivially easy others are harder. Also the main challenge in android dev has always been google's shit docs and that they keep moving the target. Its garbage to develop for. Claude is useful but its a tool not a replacement.
>>538617434You think the goal isn't to replace? At some point it wont be a tool.
>>538613802>i'm using a text generator to put bugs and performance problems into google apps right now
>>538613986>need Indians?Of course not, they're a bioweapon used to collapse the west.
>>538617247doesn't matter if AI can make more realistic-looking videos than it was able to 3 years ago, AI is very very unlikely to ever be able to grasp things such as nuance, context, double-meaning, word plays, intuition, reading between the lines, deep analysis and interpretation etc, all those things that a properly experienced human will bring to the table and that go beyond the easily conveyable pure-logic if-a-then-b tasks AI is good at. Simply because AI has no SOVL, no tether to the mental plane etcwhy do you think it's so easy to tell AI-generated pictures, texts etc simply because they immediately give off uncanny valley vibes and "feel wrong"?Yes, AI may be able to fully take over some very very basic easily automatable tasks that were previously handled by unpaid interns straight out of high school or outsourced Indians in Uttar Pradesh working for 3$ a day.Yes, AI may be useful as one augmentation tool amongst many to support (but not replace) the work of humansNo, AI will not be able to match the capabilities and completely replace the role of a very experienced human with 25+ years of experience (which is where things like intuition or "the sixth sense" kick in) in a given field.AI is, and will most likely remain, essentially heavily glorified autocomplete The far greater concern with AI is not replacing jobs, but how it will make the masses even more retarded than they already are now - and that's really quite a feat.Especially for younger people still in highschool or younger, it's now very very common to not learn something or properly understand something but instead go "eh fuck this, I'll have AI do the work for me and just spit out the correct answers instead of gettiong there myself"AI will cause the masses to outsource more and more of what little thinking they have left to the machinesYou think the masses are stupid, gullbile and easily distracted now? Give it another 15 years or so and you'll be fucking shocked
>>538614149Just like how humans operate? ...
>>538613974Is this sarcasm or are you for real?
>shitskin's mind gets blown away when he sees shit he doesn't understandGolden.
>>538614823lmao
>>538613802youre not able to understand its limitations, and youre using it for a basic task. try building something from scratch with it and youll encounter the limitations of llms. it is a powerful tool for professionals but will not make professionals obsolete, because it will always require an intelligent human orchestrator at its core, and is only useful for enhancing workflow.
>>538613802Is that... BASIC HTML AND CSS??? AAAAAARHHHHHGHH IM GOING INSANE! SAVE ME NIGGERMAN!
>>538619436This was true about a year ago. claude code is perfectly capable of building a large project from scratch. opus 4.6 basically put every middling developer out of work and it's only improved since
>>538616686I think that's the direction, more than ever. When repos are as volatile as RAM, unit testing is the lever for grounding agents as they make incremental changes.
>>538613802>I am using claude right nowProve it by posting a Hunter Shafer jacking off her uncut goy benis... I'll wait...>for proofing purposes only>no homo
>>538613802I literally cannot use it because it requires an account.
>>538619436You're still not understanding how fast things are moving.Machine learning isn't a joke.
>flagWhy are browns always so giddy about AIclank? Maybe they themselves don't live like humans
>>538620120Maybe if you're a webshitter.
>>538614149Sometimes i use it on obscure codebases and it just gives me python because it doesn't know.
>>538613802Anyone who lived through the late 90s/early 2000s knows what actual leaps in technology look like. AI may as well come with a kippah its such an obvious scam
>>538620483>from pyramids to sandstone gulagsWe.
>>538613900>hey Claude, there's too much bloat, please refactor itIt's literally that easy.>nooo that wont work you cant just ask AI to clean up its own messExcept it DOES work.
>>538620120>claude code is perfectly capable of building a large project from scratch.no, it cant. not without a skilled human orchestrator.the analogy is, if a retarded person uses an llm, they dont magically become intelligent. quality in, quality out. >>538620432i do understand it, and i recognize that it bottlenecked some time ago. and its being oversold. they never discuss its limitations or its appropriate application.
>>538613802This is like saying compilers destroyed labor. All it means is that "working code" is worthless and the competition goes somewhere else in the pipeline.If everyone with AI and $100 can make an equally good SaaS product, the driver of value will be 'but y r they using yours'. This happened in clothing manufacturing when anyone can make a T-shirt...
>>538617212Firmware is a kind of software, you are a psued.
>>538620687The part you're missing is that it also works for people who are intelligent but ignorant. A clever person with no software experience but nonetheless possessing expert knowledge in another domain is able to use claude code to write effective software, given the willingness to try.
>>538613900kek this nigga still living in 2023. Claude Fable can one shot ANYTHING I throw at it with zero bugs. All that training from codefags paid off.
>>538618097>AI is very very unlikely to ever be able to grasp things such as nuance, context, double-meaning, word plays, intuition, reading between the lines, deep analysis and interpretatio-A CK ACK AAAAACK!!!https://simple-bench.com/try-yourself
>>538614159kinobot5000
>>538620871i didnt miss that, im well aware of that fact. the prerequisite for getting consistent quality output from an llm is having a high iq. and most people dont have a high iq.
>>538620687this>>538620871all it takes is a person who knows what they want to achieve, and how to verify that it works. this requires little more than some smarts, a sizeable budget and some patience. you can replace a team of engineers with $500/day in token costs if you have a decent workflow setup. I personally know people doing this profitably
>>538621169yes, so it changes the professional landscape from partitioned sectors to a multi-sector environment, where disciplines can merge in new ways, where anyone intelligent enough can tap into multiple sectors for one project. it also gives an advantage to creative thinkers who can think outside the confines of siloed sectors, and who wouldnt have normally had the time or energy to learn multiple disciplines. it undercuts low level workers, and forces people to innovate.
>>538621083Okay fair, you said "skillee human orchestrator" so I just wanted to point out that cleverness and willingness is more important than pre-existing skill, particularly skill with writing software. That's no longer necessary.
>>538613932
>>538616875it's already happening. look up token throttling. many big companies are just flushing money down the toilet on AI with zero regains on investment so they will continue to fire more people so they can flush more money. it's a brilliant cycle
>>538621524yeah, by skilled i meant intelligent, not trained in a specific discipline. iq cognitive ability is the factor.
