has russia lost or not?
>>538621713/k/iggers will call him a Vatnik for saying that.kek
>>538621713war isnt over until its overand its changed massively in a month
>>538621713I’m not assuming anything about this war of attrition man. None of this means anything other than daily nationalist cock slinging while jews profit. Thats it. For like 5 years now I think. I stopped caring years ago.>GUYS THEY BLEW A WINDOW OUT OF THE SECOND STORY OF YET ANOTHER GREY EASTERN BLOC BUILDING>ITS FUCKING OVER3 day operation was it? Two day? I sleep
>>538621713Imagine listening to this retard. He was the mastermind behind the annihilation of Ukraine’s all-volunteer force and the reason they have no manpower left. This monster butchered them all with his incompetence and now he has the gall to say>uhhhhhh guise drowning the enemy in bodies doesn’t work! Tacticamadal victorees dun not werk!Now Syrskyi has got to clean up his mess. Thankfully, his first order was "No more retard last stands, and suicide charges".
>>538621713We've been doing this for over 50 years now.Imagining millions killed for just slaughtering civilians in frustration and then claiming it as a victory after losing the war.
>>538621713Russia has slaughtered around 950,000 of its own citizens to gain 11% of Ukraine's territory. They only need to kill another 7,500,000 or so to take the rest. That's only 5% of the current Russian population!
>>538623168All this coping and oinkraine continues LOSING
>>538624341Sorry about your refinery, Sasha. It's ok, though, Russia has plenty more refineries! XAXAXAXAXA
>>538624341all this coping IS DUE to urukraine losing
>>538621855it has?
>>538621713Is bombing Russian infrastructure effective or not?
>>538625005Probably not but it's based
>>538625005No.It just makes the war real to the Russian people and motivates them to fight.It has zero effect on Russia's ability to wage war.
>>538621713They have not won fast enough = they lost
>>538621713war's not over, so obviously we don't know which side's won. If it was obvious one would think they'd cut their losses and make peace.
>>538625005Of course not.
>>538625260Both sides view the war as an existential crisis, nothing short of moscow/kiev getting nuked would convince the other side to give up.
>>538625189>motivates them to fightthey literally have to kidnap people in order to conscript them
get tge fuck out of here with your silly propoganda manRussia is trying to save europe, the khazar proxy defending europes demise is fracturing. The revolution WILL be QUICK.they never properly analyzed the 2022 operation, all their logistic foundations are build and aet on a predisposed planned out steucturqk path
>>538621855> its changed massively in a monthUsing "Vergeltungswaffen", V-weapons, weapons of retaliation, like Nazi Germany at some point did, like The Ukraine since recently does, is only a sign of desperation and the imminence of the "Endsieg". The purpose is to overplay the actual weakness and hopeless situation, to create spectacular effects for propaganda because the bottom of the barrel has to scraped and massive doubts have to be suppressed.
>>538625377>white country>brown shitholesYeah that's how I react too
>>538625377>not my wholesome brown people
>>538625599>white countrylollmao even
>>538625698lmao I’ve never seen this>it’s real
>>538621713It's pretty much impossible for Russia to lose only idiots really believe this but Russians can be so fucked up that they would need dozens of decades to recover all for the small price of Ukrainian genocide but that's a price Europe wants to pay.
>>538625472Ok faggot>literaĺlyAs opposed to figuratively kidnapping people?Useless nafo troons everywhere
>>538621713he's not saying russia won, he's saying the war isn't over and ukraine needs to keep pushing you 70 iq retard
>>538625005>>538625189Well, the russia is running out of gasoline and diesel, their farmers are complaining that they can't even get fuel to run their pumps to irrigate their crops, the harvest is coming up, buckwheat production is estimated to be 30% to 50% lower than last year because of the fuel shortage, and by the way the Russian military needs fuel to transport all the conscripts they want to throw into the meatgrinders, unless of course they're going to MARCH them from Novosibirsk all the way to Ukraine.So, draw your own conclusions.
>>538621855thisKonstantinivka and Lyman were captured finally.
>>538625005>is bombing a petrol country's sole source of revenue effective or not?what a tarded question to ask
>>538626166>Lyman capturedFucking kek, seriously? The Russians were trying to take Lyman in the summer of 2022.
>>538626125You are a cocksucking faggot spewing propaganda for your kike masters in kiev.Farmers get priority for fuel and have minimal issues gettng diesel.
Fuck, this is a gift.nafo troons on suicide watch
>>538625234They arent winning at all.
>>538621713Iran and Russia have both lost, bigly. More than you even know. Some say, lost bigger than anyone lost before.
>>538621713>tactical victoriesthis is the guy who presided over 2023 counter offensyiv, the absolute worst defeat of the ukraine to this date
>>538624845>>538625598>>538624845Its only in the last month that Ukraine has sustained attacks in Russian territoryFrontline gains dont mean much now if both sides are now able to target each others capitalswho wins now is down to resilience and domestic pressure
>>538625598>V-2 rocket featured a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of approximately 12 to 17 km (7.5 to 10.5 miles)>meanwhile the FP-1 drone and FP-5 cruise missile's CEP is measured in metersThey are two entirely different classes of weapons you monumentally retarded quintuple nigger. One is indeed a terror weapon, the other is a strategic boon that would have made Adolf ejaculate in his lederhosen if he had access to it
>>538627970pinpricks at best
>>538627546Well, Ukraine has been taking this shit for over 4 years and they're still standing. Let's see how Russians cope.
>>538621713They have lost strategically, since they will not accomplish any of their pre-3 day SMO goals (marginal tactical/territorial gains were not the stated goal of the 3 day SMO. Tactically/operationally, it's a stalemate, which, in itself, is a victory for Ukraine, since russia should have taken kiev with only slightly more difficulty than the US/allies took kabul and regime changed the taliban. They had MUCH more favorable logistics.The pre-3 day SMO stated and deduced objectives included:>Regime Change: The primary political goal was to replace the government in Kyiv with a new, pro-Russian administration, creating a politically aligned and dependent state.>"Demilitarization": The destruction of Ukraine's military infrastructure, air force, and anti-aircraft defenses, and the prohibition of nuclear weapons, or advanced weaponry on its territory.>"Denazification": Eradication of anti-Russian ideology, legislative changes to abolish perceived discriminatory laws, and the prohibition of nationalist groups.>Neutral Status: Forcing a constitutional amendment committing Ukraine to neutrality, prohibiting participation in NATO or the EU.>Recognition of Territorial Claims: Official recognition of the occupied Crimea as Russian territory and the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR/LPR).>Preventive Security Strategy: Preventing the expansion of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine and reducing the threat of an, in their view, inevitable conflictNone of these have been, or will be accomplished.
>>538628235Its the first time the russians have seen the war on their doorsteptime will tell
>>538621713Not over yet but Ukraine has the upper hand because it can bomb much more effectively than Russia can.
>>538626671A bit suspicious that an "American" knows what subsidies Russian farmers get>thoughts of homosexual dick sucking instantly in the mindNevermind it's Russian.
>>538629188>can bomb much more effectively than Russia canVyshneve got obliterated so hard that nobody even dares to screech about warcrimes.
>>538621713I'm pretty sure it's all pre-election posturing for ukrainian establishmentrussian oil refineries might be burning but russians keep gaining ground and they're not stopping
>>538629654I'm sure it did and putin ordered the refineries to become unbombed.
>>538621713Russia hasn't lost, not yet.I also don't think they will "lose" the Ukraine war.I think the Russia/China/Iran alliance is currently positioned to gain the upper hand, for a while, even gaining control over Egypt, the Suez and Ethiopia and forcing Europe into a peace and trade deal - maintaining NATO and a partnership with America simply isn't viable any longer for the EU. But Russia will still suffer a complete defeat in the next 10 years nonetheless.You can screencap this or not, I don't care. It will happen either way.
>>538630080Defeat by whom? Latvia?
>>538629427>sanctionsWhere did I mention sanctions retard?I read RT, tranny faggot shill>everyone who tells the truth is a Russian spy!Do you faggots really think this scripted nafo troon response works?
>>538628271Lets break down your first 3 obvious lies, nafo troon>Regime Change: The primary political goal was to replace the government in Kyiv with a new, pro-Russian administration, creating a politically aligned and dependent state.They never said pro-Russian>"Demilitarization": The destruction of Ukraine's military infrastructure, air force, and anti-aircraft defenses, and the prohibition of nuclear weapons, or advanced weaponry on its territory.Straigt up lie they said ukraines army would be capped at 300,000 men>"Denazification": Eradication of anti-Russian ideology, legislative changes to abolish perceived discriminatory laws, and the prohibition of nationalist groups.Yes they want the AZOV neo NAZI brainwashing camps for kids shut down and no more NAZI parades. Not a big ask. Pic Rel
>>538628235I predict cannibalism within six months.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRotCFl1res>title: Putin keeps pardoning cannibals who join Russia's war in Ukraineoh. nevermind.
>>538631017>sanctions>when the other poster mentioned subsidiesESL confirmed, you Russian faggot.
>>538630713On this I am unsure, but I expect a multi-front attack from the few remaining NATO members and the USA on one side and China on the other side.I expect Latvia to long have fallen in line by then, likely Poland, too, possibly even parts of Germany.
>>538625472>they literally have to kidnap people in order to conscript themWhy is every 'reason why Russia is losing' in these threads just someone projecting something that's actually happening in Ukraine?
>>538621713this is a pure opinion piece to beg for more weapons which, frankly, we should give to Ukraine for free so they remove the bolshevik asiatic horde once and for all from this earth>russia isn't losing fast enough haha what now nafotroonsk keep me posted
>>538621713No, but Ukraines strategic air campaign is a great success. Russia can still mass recruit, which we might see in autumn. Russia could also still come up with a decent counter against the drones. China could decide to support Russia more. The war is not won.
how is it losing? aren't they still occupying southern Ukraine?
>>538621713They can't possibly win long term because the Russian system is entirely dependant on Putin. When Putin is dead the system will collapse and along with it any gains made in Ukraine. Even if Russia captured the whole of Ukraine once Putin dies it would all crumble and fall apart. The invasion of Ukraine was a huge mistake. In the long run the only possible outcome is for Russia to become a modern Democracy.
>>538622275>Now Syrskyi has got to clean up his mess. Thankfully, his first order was "No more retard last stands, and suicide charges".Wasn't he responsible for the contrahruk that resulted in the annihilation of most of Ukraine's Western heavy weapons in an attempt to break through the Suvrovkin line tho?
>>538632701China has a strong interest in a stable Russia. And no interest in a nuclear war against Russia. I don't see how Russia should lose again NATO. NATO is backward and weak, none of them has an effective defense against modern nuclear missiles.
>>538633786Syrski has been getting entire Ukranian battlegroups encircled and captured since like 2014
>>538621713Him and Syrskyi are the only reasonable people in Ukraine
>>538633808> China has a strong interest in a stable Russia. At the moment it does, until Russia becomes the biggest contender. China is exclusively interested in its own agenda. But again, this is something that I am unsure of.
>>538621713the point of "russia has lost" propaganda for 4 years was always to prop up ukraine and keep pouring money and weapons in
>>538621713Russia lost in april 2022. Since then we haggle how hard it will lose, and who will sink with it.
>>538634432What country in modern history lost half of its population fighting a war?
>>538634555That's the 'who will sink with it' part. VPN friend.
>>538632881My brown Bongistani brother, the kidnappings are happening in Russia too. Moreover, Russia is now resorting to calling random women whose children have gone back to school and telling them that they have been signed up to go fight in le heckin' SMO.
>>538626671Kek, the truth hurts
>>538632881Here's one of a woman in Novosibirsk complaining that the recruiters are trying to forcibly "recruit" their sons who have "deferments" because they're in college.
>>538631017>sanctionsYep it's a russian.
Nobody is saying "Russia lost" but they are in deep doo doo, and they are too stubborn to ever back down.
>>538635027eew gross botox
>>538634432>t. NAFO tranny You fucks have never been right this entire war
