has russia lost or not?
>>538621713/k/iggers will call him a Vatnik for saying that.kek
>>538621713war isnt over until its overand its changed massively in a month
>>538621713I’m not assuming anything about this war of attrition man. None of this means anything other than daily nationalist cock slinging while jews profit. Thats it. For like 5 years now I think. I stopped caring years ago.>GUYS THEY BLEW A WINDOW OUT OF THE SECOND STORY OF YET ANOTHER GREY EASTERN BLOC BUILDING>ITS FUCKING OVER3 day operation was it? Two day? I sleep
>>538621713Imagine listening to this retard. He was the mastermind behind the annihilation of Ukraine’s all-volunteer force and the reason they have no manpower left. This monster butchered them all with his incompetence and now he has the gall to say>uhhhhhh guise drowning the enemy in bodies doesn’t work! Tacticamadal victorees dun not werk!Now Syrskyi has got to clean up his mess. Thankfully, his first order was "No more retard last stands, and suicide charges".
>>538621713We've been doing this for over 50 years now.Imagining millions killed for just slaughtering civilians in frustration and then claiming it as a victory after losing the war.
>>538621713Russia has slaughtered around 950,000 of its own citizens to gain 11% of Ukraine's territory. They only need to kill another 7,500,000 or so to take the rest. That's only 5% of the current Russian population!
>>538623168All this coping and oinkraine continues LOSING
>>538624341Sorry about your refinery, Sasha. It's ok, though, Russia has plenty more refineries! XAXAXAXAXA
>>538624341all this coping IS DUE to urukraine losing
>>538621855it has?
>>538621713Is bombing Russian infrastructure effective or not?
>>538625005Probably not but it's based
>>538625005No.It just makes the war real to the Russian people and motivates them to fight.It has zero effect on Russia's ability to wage war.
>>538621713They have not won fast enough = they lost
>>538621713war's not over, so obviously we don't know which side's won. If it was obvious one would think they'd cut their losses and make peace.
>>538625005Of course not.
>>538625260Both sides view the war as an existential crisis, nothing short of moscow/kiev getting nuked would convince the other side to give up.
>>538625189>motivates them to fightthey literally have to kidnap people in order to conscript them
get tge fuck out of here with your silly propoganda manRussia is trying to save europe, the khazar proxy defending europes demise is fracturing. The revolution WILL be QUICK.they never properly analyzed the 2022 operation, all their logistic foundations are build and aet on a predisposed planned out steucturqk path
>>538621855> its changed massively in a monthUsing "Vergeltungswaffen", V-weapons, weapons of retaliation, like Nazi Germany at some point did, like The Ukraine since recently does, is only a sign of desperation and the imminence of the "Endsieg". The purpose is to overplay the actual weakness and hopeless situation, to create spectacular effects for propaganda because the bottom of the barrel has to scraped and massive doubts have to be suppressed.
>>538625377>white country>brown shitholesYeah that's how I react too
>>538625377>not my wholesome brown people
>>538625599>white countrylollmao even
>>538625698lmao I’ve never seen this>it’s real
>>538621713It's pretty much impossible for Russia to lose only idiots really believe this but Russians can be so fucked up that they would need dozens of decades to recover all for the small price of Ukrainian genocide but that's a price Europe wants to pay.
>>538625472Ok faggot>literaĺlyAs opposed to figuratively kidnapping people?Useless nafo troons everywhere
>>538621713he's not saying russia won, he's saying the war isn't over and ukraine needs to keep pushing you 70 iq retard
>>538625005>>538625189Well, the russia is running out of gasoline and diesel, their farmers are complaining that they can't even get fuel to run their pumps to irrigate their crops, the harvest is coming up, buckwheat production is estimated to be 30% to 50% lower than last year because of the fuel shortage, and by the way the Russian military needs fuel to transport all the conscripts they want to throw into the meatgrinders, unless of course they're going to MARCH them from Novosibirsk all the way to Ukraine.So, draw your own conclusions.
>>538621855thisKonstantinivka and Lyman were captured finally.
>>538625005>is bombing a petrol country's sole source of revenue effective or not?what a tarded question to ask
>>538626166>Lyman capturedFucking kek, seriously? The Russians were trying to take Lyman in the summer of 2022.
>>538626125You are a cocksucking faggot spewing propaganda for your kike masters in kiev.Farmers get priority for fuel and have minimal issues gettng diesel.
Fuck, this is a gift.nafo troons on suicide watch
>>538625234They arent winning at all.
>>538621713Iran and Russia have both lost, bigly. More than you even know. Some say, lost bigger than anyone lost before.
>>538621713>tactical victoriesthis is the guy who presided over 2023 counter offensyiv, the absolute worst defeat of the ukraine to this date
>>538624845>>538625598>>538624845Its only in the last month that Ukraine has sustained attacks in Russian territoryFrontline gains dont mean much now if both sides are now able to target each others capitalswho wins now is down to resilience and domestic pressure
>>538625598>V-2 rocket featured a Circular Error Probable (CEP) of approximately 12 to 17 km (7.5 to 10.5 miles)>meanwhile the FP-1 drone and FP-5 cruise missile's CEP is measured in metersThey are two entirely different classes of weapons you monumentally retarded quintuple nigger. One is indeed a terror weapon, the other is a strategic boon that would have made Adolf ejaculate in his lederhosen if he had access to it
>>538627970pinpricks at best
>>538627546Well, Ukraine has been taking this shit for over 4 years and they're still standing. Let's see how Russians cope.
>>538621713They have lost strategically, since they will not accomplish any of their pre-3 day SMO goals (marginal tactical/territorial gains were not the stated goal of the 3 day SMO. Tactically/operationally, it's a stalemate, which, in itself, is a victory for Ukraine, since russia should have taken kiev with only slightly more difficulty than the US/allies took kabul and regime changed the taliban. They had MUCH more favorable logistics.The pre-3 day SMO stated and deduced objectives included:>Regime Change: The primary political goal was to replace the government in Kyiv with a new, pro-Russian administration, creating a politically aligned and dependent state.>"Demilitarization": The destruction of Ukraine's military infrastructure, air force, and anti-aircraft defenses, and the prohibition of nuclear weapons, or advanced weaponry on its territory.>"Denazification": Eradication of anti-Russian ideology, legislative changes to abolish perceived discriminatory laws, and the prohibition of nationalist groups.>Neutral Status: Forcing a constitutional amendment committing Ukraine to neutrality, prohibiting participation in NATO or the EU.>Recognition of Territorial Claims: Official recognition of the occupied Crimea as Russian territory and the independence of the Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics (DPR/LPR).>Preventive Security Strategy: Preventing the expansion of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine and reducing the threat of an, in their view, inevitable conflictNone of these have been, or will be accomplished.
>>538628235Its the first time the russians have seen the war on their doorsteptime will tell
>>538621713Not over yet but Ukraine has the upper hand because it can bomb much more effectively than Russia can.
>>538626671A bit suspicious that an "American" knows what subsidies Russian farmers get>thoughts of homosexual dick sucking instantly in the mindNevermind it's Russian.
>>538629188>can bomb much more effectively than Russia canVyshneve got obliterated so hard that nobody even dares to screech about warcrimes.
>>538621713I'm pretty sure it's all pre-election posturing for ukrainian establishmentrussian oil refineries might be burning but russians keep gaining ground and they're not stopping
>>538629654I'm sure it did and putin ordered the refineries to become unbombed.
>>538621713Russia hasn't lost, not yet.I also don't think they will "lose" the Ukraine war.I think the Russia/China/Iran alliance is currently positioned to gain the upper hand, for a while, even gaining control over Egypt, the Suez and Ethiopia and forcing Europe into a peace and trade deal - maintaining NATO and a partnership with America simply isn't viable any longer for the EU. But Russia will still suffer a complete defeat in the next 10 years nonetheless.You can screencap this or not, I don't care. It will happen either way.
>>538630080Defeat by whom? Latvia?
>>538629427>sanctionsWhere did I mention sanctions retard?I read RT, tranny faggot shill>everyone who tells the truth is a Russian spy!Do you faggots really think this scripted nafo troon response works?
>>538628271Lets break down your first 3 obvious lies, nafo troon>Regime Change: The primary political goal was to replace the government in Kyiv with a new, pro-Russian administration, creating a politically aligned and dependent state.They never said pro-Russian>"Demilitarization": The destruction of Ukraine's military infrastructure, air force, and anti-aircraft defenses, and the prohibition of nuclear weapons, or advanced weaponry on its territory.Straigt up lie they said ukraines army would be capped at 300,000 men>"Denazification": Eradication of anti-Russian ideology, legislative changes to abolish perceived discriminatory laws, and the prohibition of nationalist groups.Yes they want the AZOV neo NAZI brainwashing camps for kids shut down and no more NAZI parades. Not a big ask. Pic Rel
>>538628235I predict cannibalism within six months.>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRotCFl1res>title: Putin keeps pardoning cannibals who join Russia's war in Ukraineoh. nevermind.
>>538631017>sanctions>when the other poster mentioned subsidiesESL confirmed, you Russian faggot.
>>538630713On this I am unsure, but I expect a multi-front attack from the few remaining NATO members and the USA on one side and China on the other side.I expect Latvia to long have fallen in line by then, likely Poland, too, possibly even parts of Germany.
>>538625472>they literally have to kidnap people in order to conscript themWhy is every 'reason why Russia is losing' in these threads just someone projecting something that's actually happening in Ukraine?
>>538621713this is a pure opinion piece to beg for more weapons which, frankly, we should give to Ukraine for free so they remove the bolshevik asiatic horde once and for all from this earth>russia isn't losing fast enough haha what now nafotroonsk keep me posted
>>538621713No, but Ukraines strategic air campaign is a great success. Russia can still mass recruit, which we might see in autumn. Russia could also still come up with a decent counter against the drones. China could decide to support Russia more. The war is not won.
how is it losing? aren't they still occupying southern Ukraine?
>>538621713They can't possibly win long term because the Russian system is entirely dependant on Putin. When Putin is dead the system will collapse and along with it any gains made in Ukraine. Even if Russia captured the whole of Ukraine once Putin dies it would all crumble and fall apart. The invasion of Ukraine was a huge mistake. In the long run the only possible outcome is for Russia to become a modern Democracy.
>>538622275>Now Syrskyi has got to clean up his mess. Thankfully, his first order was "No more retard last stands, and suicide charges".Wasn't he responsible for the contrahruk that resulted in the annihilation of most of Ukraine's Western heavy weapons in an attempt to break through the Suvrovkin line tho?
>>538632701China has a strong interest in a stable Russia. And no interest in a nuclear war against Russia. I don't see how Russia should lose again NATO. NATO is backward and weak, none of them has an effective defense against modern nuclear missiles.
>>538633786Syrski has been getting entire Ukranian battlegroups encircled and captured since like 2014
>>538621713Him and Syrskyi are the only reasonable people in Ukraine
>>538633808> China has a strong interest in a stable Russia. At the moment it does, until Russia becomes the biggest contender. China is exclusively interested in its own agenda. But again, this is something that I am unsure of.
>>538621713the point of "russia has lost" propaganda for 4 years was always to prop up ukraine and keep pouring money and weapons in
>>538621713Russia lost in april 2022. Since then we haggle how hard it will lose, and who will sink with it.
>>538634432What country in modern history lost half of its population fighting a war?
>>538634555That's the 'who will sink with it' part. VPN friend.
>>538632881My brown Bongistani brother, the kidnappings are happening in Russia too. Moreover, Russia is now resorting to calling random women whose children have gone back to school and telling them that they have been signed up to go fight in le heckin' SMO.
>>538626671Kek, the truth hurts
>>538632881Here's one of a woman in Novosibirsk complaining that the recruiters are trying to forcibly "recruit" their sons who have "deferments" because they're in college.
>>538631017>sanctionsYep it's a russian.
Nobody is saying "Russia lost" but they are in deep doo doo, and they are too stubborn to ever back down.
>>538635027eew gross botox
>>538634432>t. NAFO tranny You fucks have never been right this entire war
>>538632881Oh, and just for good measure, here's some poor stupid Russian zigger kid who had a deferment because he was in school, but was fucking retarded enough to believe he could make a bunch of money and be safely way behind the lines as a "drone operator" because the recruiter promised him that. Instead he was sent on assaults, his legs are shredded from being bombed, one leg has what is clearly gangrene, and the other leg is useless because of some other infection, and he's being forced to go assault again despite being unable to walk.So, the question now is, are you really so fucking stupid you don't think the press gangs have been happening in Russia, or are you some VPN vatnik who's just trying to pretend you're that stupid in the hopes of making someone else believe it? Hint: nobody else is that stupid.
>>538633700I've got good money down on Polymarket that Putin will be "out of office" by the end of the year.Don't place that bet on Kalshi, because if Putin gets assassinated, Kalshi will unwind the bets. Polymarket pays out on them (as I found out when Khameini got assassinated less than a week after I bet he'd be out of office this year).
>>538635180Picrelated is you, right?
>>538635140That's not botox, that's lip filler. Also proof that she's really a Russian, because they're the only ones who do that weird shit. It's literally called "Russian lips" in the cosmetic surgery world.
>>538635216>a van hohol says his lines >heh, heh what now vatikUkranny propaganda is dogshit just like their military
>>538635180kek so you admit you are on a VPN sasha
>>538635388go back to ukraine
>>538623168That's not a high price at all that's what crazy drunk Russians whores will make that up fast
>>538634973What's really sad about his comment is that I'm an Iranian-American dual citizen. I hate the fucking kikes. I hope "Bibi" accidentally falls feet-first into a flaming woodchipper.
>>538635292You probably dont even make a $1000 a week after taxes
Here's a hilarious one. Apparently the Russian government is now pretending that all the gas lines waiting for nonexistent gasoline at gas stations are really "car rallies" and are an illegal gathering.Sorry, I don't have the image in the original Klingon, just the OCR translation.
>>538635737>Iranian AmericanSo you're a shitskin
>>538634113Contender for what? Russia secures China's northern and western border and it's is a reliable source for oil, gas, minerals and metals. It's also an insanely strong military power that could eradicate all human civlizations many times over. Only a complete retard would uselessly and needlessly start a war with Russia. China's worst case scenario is a broken Russia under NATO control on the northern borders. China can easily prevent that by supplying Russia with weapons and technology. The Russians know that they cannot beat China's industrial and military power. They would be foolish to start a conflict either. Their strategic situation makes them natural allies.
>>538635713I'm retired, I don't "make" anything. I just cash out enough to live on, and stay within the 0% long-term-capital-gains limit. Thank you President Trump for raising it so high that I never need to pay taxes again.
>>538635770Whiter than you, Vasily.
>>538631251>muh ebil notzeeswhere do you think you are?
>>538635027Any proof for that? I'm not going to believe an internet story just because some old hag pushes her nipples into my face.
>>538635770weak attempt at derailingwhich logical fallacy did you just use hmmmOr are you too low IQ to understand what that is ?
>>538635216The absolute best case scenario is still that there's years left for Russia because Ukraine started press ganging in 2023 and they're still going. And Russia has like 3 times the population of Ukraine to begin with. I really dont get this shill tactic of bringing up some problem Russia has then just hoping that people wont notice that the same problem applies like 10 x more to Ukraine
>>538636040remember when russia tried their 2023 mobilization and a million people left? There's a reason putin hasn't done that yet
>>538622275Amazing how they have no man power left but Russian territorial gains drop every month and are currently at anemic levels
>>538636110No we dont because that never happened you cocksucking nafo troon
>>538635921Prove it faggot>>538636027>fallacy>derailingWant a fallacy? There's a 70% chance that you're an Indian or Chink
>>538635450>Russia is still having its shit kicked by a dogshit military of a much poorer, smaller, and corrupted countryThis is a sad state of affairs. The izzat Russia lost in this war will take at least a century to recover if ever. Prepare yourself for the NAFO penis Ivan.
>>538628229You're just salty that the technology just wasn't there for your Oma or whatever you call your grandfather.
>>538623168>11%it's almost a quarter. funny how that's literally all you retards can do is just inflate and deflate numbers to try and win the internet war.
>>538636613Awww, it matters so much to you? Too bad, vatnigger. I hope you die in a trench in Luhansk, trying to gain one more square meter for the glory of Pootin.
>>538621713image the second biggest nuclear super power in the world losing.LMAOtotal nuclear launch before that ever happens
>>538637074Google AI says 20%. My bad, I thought it was half that.
>>538637261Yeah i'm sure your brother losing his arm to an Iranian drone has restored the honour of blumpf and netanyhu
>>538636004In Russia after you turn 18 there is military conscription for a year. It's doesn't have anyhting to do with Ukraine and they are not going to leave the country. She warning people who trying to dodge that.
>>538628271Even if Ivan wins this war, which looks a whole lot less likely right now, their reputation is jeet street tier, even among their allies. Fat boy Kim looks better than some old ass man that failed hard.This war is also a tactical message, arguably the strongest of the 2nd world countries in terms of military capabilities, struggled so much with the easiest of neighboring territories. The Chinese have Taiwan, Norks, the South, and Ivan with fucking Ukraine and look how that has been going.
>>538636935Lmao, did the jews start letting their stinkier, dumber, rapey-er cousins into the country to act as kapparot or something?They even poo'd themselves, typical IDF kek
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>>538635027They will do the same in Germany with young men that don't answer the conscription questionnaire.
>>538637330it's okay i'm sorry for calling you a retard. have a nice day.
