Can some Poles explain?Are you guys really that mad over what happened in ww2?
>>538641563Smaller slave blame Russia but the fact is as soon as they strike any kind of friendship it immediately falls apart the first week. Infighting is a natural debuff to them
>>538641563Bruv, you kidding? That shit didn't end in ww2. what are you even doing on this board lmao
>>538641563they do not care what happened cause they do not know what happened: they don't read actual history written by historians, and also fail it at schools. they spread propaganda and misinformation without a single question. they believe in dumbest shit that would make MAGAtards or Russians appear somewhat intelligent.they just don't like ukies cause it's like looking into a mirror. they're loud, violent, obnoxious, corrupted, poor and pathetic. it's a competition now.
Zelensky= Harry PotterPutin= Thanos
>>538642414how's life Volodymyr
even the corrupted, more "progressive" gov, immediately follows the narrative once they realize how dumb this cattle pop is. all parties are populists so it doesn't even matter which one would be in charge, the pressure from below is too strong. it's funny cause Mr. Zlenky didn't even try to instigate a crisis, but the pole niggers in charge immediately used it for infighting and boosting their ratings. it wouldn't be a thing if they had iq over 80, but what can you do?
>>538641563Man poolaks just cant get over this huh?Why did they even fight for us in the first place? Most "german" deaths and rapes were ossis, so poles.
I'm tired of this. Russia pls nuke entire planet, thank you
>>538642661kill yourself you peasant nigger dressed up in adidas, sucking on a faggot vapor toy. You'll all end up like ukronazis and rusniggers while i watch.
Valuable Russian perspective coming throughyou all don't understand, what Ukrainians are doing - its a humiliation ritual. Ukrainians see all Europeans as pussies to be pushed around and milked for resources, same way as Trump sees Europe. Only Ukrainians seem entitled because Europeans tell themselves this story of "scary Russians about to overrun Europe, and Ukraine is defending Europe", so...Ukrainians expect you to see them as heroes and suck their cock. Poles are supposed to open their mouths and take it, when Ukraine puts nazi collaborators as heroes on the pedestal. And Ukrainians already punished Orban who knew how to say "No" to Ukraine, and now they think "Everyone in Europe can be pushed Eventually", and they going to push push untill you accept smelly Ukrainian cock in your mouth. You were afraid that Russia would fuck you, so now you have to accept other slavic cock on your faces, its just going to be not Russian but Ukrainian cock. Say "Thank you", European cattle!
>>538641563Because ukies are insufferable bydlohttps://x.com/RazedEsport/status/2058502021011910822
>>538643102I prefer old school cigs, they give proper cancer, not the popcorn lung monstrosity.I see you are upset. I will allow you to calm down, deep breaths.
Europe's entire history is full of instances of starting wars over gay shit that happened 100 years ago
>>538641563Sure.> For almost 400 years what is now "Western Ukraine", but what was once known as Galicia (and some other bits on there too) was a melting pot of Poles, Ruthenians, Russians, Magyars, etc. mostly dominated by Poles. Lwow was a Polish city.> Everyone more or else coexisted peacefully (except Cossacks) until Austria Hungary decided to ferment nationalism among the "Ruthenians", who until that point were considered Orthodox Poles> WW2 happens and the Nazis leverage this nascent nationalism to fuck with the Russians> Turns out these "Ukrainians" are so batshit bloodthirsty and racist that even the Nazis told them to calm the fuck down> Nazis no longer can control them, and Nazis try to suppress, but it's too late anyways, Commies are pushing towards Berlin> In the ensuing chaos these "Ukrainian Nationalists" led by Stepan Bandera go on a genocidal rampage and kill 100,000+ Poles and other ethnicities who had been peacefully living and mixing together with them for centuries> Absolutely brutal shit, true gore. Dismembering babies and women, burning alive, just the worst excesses. At this point even the Jewish communists were disgusted, that's right, even the Jews were disgusted> Fighting with Soviet authorities ensued, eventually suppressed the movement> Stalin decides Poland doesn't get Lwow and surrounding area anymore, redraw borders, mass exodus of Poles from what was their home for centuries> Knowledge of the brutality of the Banderites was suppressed from wider public to keep the fragile peace but there exists a lot of documentation and physical evidence among the survivors > Ukraine considers the men who committed these atrocities as national Heroes to be celebrated and who ideology taught in schools.> Many Poles who didn't used to live or have family from there still don't know what happened because of recent suppression to keep the peace
>>538643757It's kind of cute that Americans think 100 years is a long time
>>538641563Our mission is to inform Europeans that Ukrainians aren't victims as they try to paint themselves, but perpetrators that commited the worst and most brutal genocide of WW2Ukraine had a change to shut up and avoid this topic, but they doubled down on it, so why there should not be any reaction? Please explain.It's not like we're mad about whats happned, because that's just history, the problem with Ukrainian mentality is that they glorify those perpetrators as "freedom fighters" - that's mainly due to the fact that ukraine has no history and it's the only militant formation Ukraine ever had in their pathetic history. Imagine being Ukraine - you're a non country, with no history and no achievements and the only "heroes" you have are the world's worst barbarians. It's just so over for this shithole.
>>538643388Pretty much explains the modern Ukrainian attitude. Ukrainians are in some ways worse the niggers. I was over visiting family last year. Their arrogance and entitlement is very Jewlike.
>>538643388What's up with Russians & cocksWell we are pushing against it, I dont want to suck no Ukie cock
>>538641563>Imagine that whole family of your uncle or grandpa was chopped with axes>hundreds of reports about very brutal executions of women and children including newborns >Their presidents apologized but after 30 years Ukraine only begins to allow exhumations in some places so you still fucking wait to do proper funeral to your relatives>They killed 120 thousand of your kind and now the same people in comand are established as Ukraine heroes because they also fought commies(+they killed not only Poles but also Czechs, Armenians and other Ukrainians who helped to hide the victims, they killed also some jews but now Israel is suspiciously (relatively) quiet about this...)
>>538643388This shit wouldn't fly in Poland.Here being anti-Ukrainian is actually bringing you election points. Nawrocki mainly won because he said he will not allow Ukraine into EU. Ukrainian propaganda is now paining him as Russian asset. I've seen massive efforts of it on X
>>538644725>>538644820a lot of Ukrainians(who are Russian language speaking btw despite coming from Ukraine) are already living in Poland, constituting significant voting block that politicians will be pandering to. So you will have no choice to submit to Ukraine.Nawrocki is temporary, but ethnic injection of Ukrainians into Poland is forever.
>>538644903They can't vote.
>>538644740Tl:dr:they should had:1)Allow all the exhumations, let families bury their relatives 2a)Do some half-year museum exhibition to acknowledge what inhuman shit they did or 2b)shut the fuck up for 30 more years about perpetrators3)Continue to suck all the help, mind their own business and occasionally do some symbolic gesture to keep trust high
>>538644343>but perpetrators that commited the worst and most brutal genocide of WW2So Poles are like jews?>that's mainly due to the fact that ukraine has no history>Ukraine ever had in their pathetic historyAnd that's in one sentence, wow!
>>538644903Nieee
>>538645507We are bit less genoicidal
>>538641563Basically, after the war, all of that part moved left. And by left I mean specially left, as in west. Poland took a lot of land that was previously German. And Ukraine took a lot of land that was previously Poland. And no one thinks it was particularly fair.
>>538646275Those 'German lands' were in fact west Slavic territory before Germans occupied it.
>>538646398Course, but they had occupied it for centuries. And its not like the same genocide wasn't done to the germans. And millions, not hundreds of thousands.
>>538641563Poles were niggers and FAFO'd. This may sound like a meme response but it's pretty close to what happened.
>>538645507Go on Anon, list the modern big names and dates that will not lead to Russians talking that it is their history. (But right, in fact you are closer to Old Rus than Moscow)
>>538646550Of courseWell it's all a mess innit
>>538646186So you are genocidal, but just a bit less?
>>538646666When?
>>538646762Yeah I guess. We did stop at some point.Unlike (((some)))
>>538643388thats a good explanation
yeah dudes lets fight over nonsense cause we have absolutely nothing going in our countries culturally for the last 100 years. the usa needs to pull the fuck out yesterday and let these morons kill themselves because apparently this is what they really want to do more than anything
>>538641563Dude that shit made ISIS look like girl scouts
>>538643388it's funny that the russian government pays out bowls of buckwheat for subhumans like this to post on 4chan. no, russian nigger, you're still a retarded nigger that wants to invade europe and has invaded europe. you are the enemy by your own choice and literally no one likes russian "people"
>>538646762There is some norm for Nations that Leftist determined enough will call cultural genocide. Every country trying to manage their shit stable always hurts some people.The thing is chopping women and children is not on that fucking list
>>538642414>>538642834>>538643102lmao an actual draft dodger talking shit about anyone else
>>538647065Please leave, go bomb some place somewhere, idk maybe islamic republic of Japan or some schoolgirls, this may be too complicated for you.
>>538641563I will not apologize for hating genocidal urukai
>>538644343>>538645507Both of these contain truth. What actually happened is that Poland ended up taking over part of what is now Western Ukraine (back then Ukraine or it's language wasn't invented yet and these people were called Ruthenians). Poles basically made them their serfs, tried to convert them to Catholicism, colonized them, took over their cities and kicked the Ruthenians out. Then Poland, who was Austria Hungary's underboss in the late 1800s promoted Ukrainianism as a counter to Galician Russophilia and Russian reunification movements among the more educated Ruthenian classes. (This was a volatile region in the A-H Empire and pre WW1 saw they rise of nationalism and mass education, so people were more aware of history, adding to the instability). So in short Ukrainians definitely committed horrible atrocities and went way too far (any murder of civilians is not excusable of course) but it also needs to be noted they were fighting Poles who literally stole their land and tried to erase their history and culture. Everything they accuse Russia of, it was actually Poland, shocking twist.
>>538647149this is shit isn't real, it's literally russian propaganda, but i'm convinced poles are stupid fucking retards who's destiny is to always get fucked in the ass perpetually and it's always their own fault
>>538647287you're polish, but most likely a russian. you're a nigger. you can't do anything. you have no culture, you have no history, you're not a real country. it's going to be so funny when russians slaughter you dumb fucks and you come whining again
>>538647349Also Poland claims:>Lvov is a Polish city: actually founded by Rus>Vilnius is a Polish city: It never was, founded by Gediminas, big guy of Lithuanian historyPoland likes to pretend it's the victim but the truth is a bit more kikey. The history of the region is obscure to most people outside the region so it's easy to hide and lie about, like the Talmud.
Why does everyone feel the need to force Poland and Ukraine to get along? >hey bro I know these psycho banderites killed a hundredthousand+ people but we really need to defeat putin broWhy? They already took refugees in who are living it up on welfarebucks
>>538647376How's Boca? Ukros in America are easy to spot because they're assholes.
>>538647478>welfarebuxThey work at Zabkas and drive ubers
>>538647543no, you're easy to stop, russian nigger. turn the vpn off. you russians are genuinely the dumbest nigger retards on earth, more incompetent than african warlords. you're a joke
>>538647438Are you retarded
>>538647657you're a literal nigger
>>538647478Because Russia will surely launch a land invasion of Poland any day now because uhhh they just will, ok!>>538647653Polish American with family from the region you guys ran rampant in but sure, keep telling yourself the only people that hate you are paid by Putin himself. No Ivan ever called me tax cattle.
>>538647725Thank you for answering my question so hastly
Burger education >Poles basically made them their serfs,They were surfs to their nobles, their nobles get treated as equals as part of the Polish-Lithuanian Union and get polonified, they became Poles. Polish peasant and Ukrainian peasant shared the same fate, Rhutenian nobles were apropriated and merged with us>tried to convert them to Catholicism,We get back orthodox into union with Rome forming Greco catholic church - further BACKBONE of Ukrainian identity>colonized them, took over their cities and kicked the Ruthenians out.Source?? If anyone jews colonized or rather outnumbered all the weak cities both in Poland and Ukraine
>>538647376Least obvious shoshon diaspora
>>538641563>tusk*puke*
>>538641697I would add, hey ukraine, what about the drones your promised? sorry polen, we sold it to irelandfor extra lulz
>>538648151Why would Ireland need drones?Brits should be careful
>>538643388Thing is, Magyar is continuing Orban policies... at least in regard to ukraine, only he is not vocal about it
>>538647878Just please simply explain how Lvov was founded by Rus, was the capital of the principality of Galicia-Volhynia (one of the principalities of Rus) but ended up being loaded with fucking Poles after Poland took it over?Also Poland's eastern rim is still of Ruthenian (Ukrainian-Belarusian) heritage and some cities like Chelm (now Polish) where actually founded by Rus.>Greco catholic church - further BACKBONE of Ukrainian identityWhich is an Orthodox Church they plastered "Catholic" over the name. Because they are Orthodox because they are Rus. Thanks for proving my point, you moron kek. Also this church is fringe shit ONLY in Western Ukraine.
>>538645507In a way you killed Jews and Poles so yeah we're Jews in the way that you killed their women and children in most brutal ways possible
>>538644820>Nawrocki mainly wonIt was one of the reasons he won. The second one was that the smarter part of Poland did not want Rafalalla Trzaskowska as president
>>538641697Bandera was a pretty cool guy
>>538648264Lwów was never Ukrainian and never Rus. It was founded by the Casmir the Great of Poland and was part of Poland for the vast majority of history, literallly every building there that is of any historical value is connected one way or another to Poland. In general Poland after 1918 should've get all borders it originally lost but didn't manage to, which lead to the later collapse of the country and victory of Russianism on those territories that ulimately fucked up these lands forever. The rest is history.
>>538648264This map is a literal fucking nonsense made up in paint. Suwalszczyna has nothing to do with Rus. It's a historical Lithuania
>>538647463Nobody really cares about that in modern times. The only nation I would apologize to are Belarussians, as they had it the worst, but literally no one else.
>>538648264>Greco catholic churchAlso I just want to take a moment to point out how insane and nonsensical this is. What is a "Greek-Catholic Church" again? Greeks are and were Byzantine ORTHODOX. Poland has been trying to erase "Ukraine's" history, culture and religion ever since the had control over a small part of it and oppressed the Orthodox Church and tried to make them Catholic. Russia is Orthodox because Vladimir the Great, A Rurikid ruler of Rus (founding Rus dynasty), who ruled from Kiev christianized Russia under Byzantine Orthodoxy. This is why any Eastern Slav who is Orthodox is obviously Russian and a direct descendant of Rus, including the Rusyn minority in Poland and Slovakia.
>>538641563>Are you guys really that mad over what happened in ww2?some are genuinely madsome dgafsome cynically use this for domestic policy bcz next electionsmany such cases
>>538641563there are AI tools these days. You can ask them for details, have a discussion with them etc. So why would you ask this question here when you know it's going to be just shit throwing show?
>>538648264Nationality is a XIX thing. Back then "polish" was a thing for noblemen. Lithuanian, Żmudzin, Pomeranian, Mazowszanin, Silesian, Ruthenian (the actual ethnicity of what is called nowadays an ukrainian) were "Polish citizens" if they were noblemen who participated in wars. Everyone else were farmers or settlers. Language also wasn't unified, as depending on the region, people spoke differently, and had different customs, as well as traditions.
>>538648462he was a dysgenic a manlet and wife abuser, apart from being the mastermind behind the genocidesome idol you found yourself
>>538641563>Are you guys really that mad over what happened in ww2?Like the Holocaust right?
>>538648573>Lwów was never Ukrainian and never Rus.> It was founded by the Casmir the Great of PolandKek. Oh I realize why Poles are butthurt morons now. They live in Plato's cave where they are fed we wuz lies about their own history from birth. I shudder to think what theybteahx them about Russia.Lvov was founded by the Rus Prince Daniil Romanovich of Galicia.Not only wasn't he Ukrainian but he'd most likely execute you for calling him that. He was a Rusian Orthodox Prince indistinguishable from colleagues Princes of Smokensk, Novgorod, Kiev and the like.Ukrainian it only became after Poles invaded it and started changing the local culture and ethnic makeup.
>>538648573>Lying ass nigger awardAlso White Croats were an early East Slavic tribe from pre or early Slavic migration times/European Migration Era.The point about Poles being liars when it comes to this is becoming very self evident.
>>538648909current non-retarded consensus is that whatever happened, happenendborders were drawn in 1945however unfair the forced migrations were, it is what it is Europe will not seek another redrawing of borders onyl retards like Putin and that guy you responded to care in what year kniahz Pidorovich established this or that town
>>538643388this is a fair assessmentukrainians are not that different from russians>>538647174yes but that doesn't change the fact that what he said is true, this is exactly how the ukrainina government is handling the situationin light of which already a bunch of european nations announced they will not be able to provide any further support
>>538647878>colonized ukros with ukrosFucking kek
>>538648772>Nationality is a XIX thing.>Ruthenian (the actual ethnicity of what is called nowadays an ukrainian) were "Polish citizens"Then Ruthenians would not have been Serfs to local ruling Poles, banned from attending Polish schools, had their religion persecuted and become second class citizens in their own land.
>>538648706You fucking moronAll the rites (what has a cultural impact) stayed OrthodoxIf we wanted them catholic we would change the fucking rites to unify them with catholic onesYou are like fucking feminist seeing everywhere the work of patriarchy
>>538649128>ukrainians are not that different from russiansIf I had to summarize the war, it's basically ruś kijowska vs ruś moskiewska. Same shit, but in different shades of poop. We were very naive to think that ukrainians were capable of civilizing themselves, if provided some aid and heart. And we are paying for this mistake, unfortunately
>>538643388Pretty muchnobody ever forget: this is a war between east slavs. They are, in the end, still east slavs.
>>538648909>>538649064The land was never Rus to begin with it was part of so called Grody Czerwieńskie which belonged to early Piast Poland since 10th century if not earlier. And just because some Rus Prince build a fort there it doesn't mean there was a city there. Literally nothing there is comes from that period because the entire city was located by the Casmir the Great in a completely different place on 17th April 1356.You weren't this reatrded you could've at least read this crucial fact about it. For literal centuries included after partitions the place was pretty much Polish
>>538649237>We didn't want them Catholic but we tried to make them Catholic and bring them under the Catholic Church and eliminate the differences that made them Orthodox to being with>We also tried to invent a false identity to obscure the fact they are RussiansPlease shut up lmao
>>538649177Some of them were, some of them weren't. Same with people who spoke some kind of polish dialect.In the infamous civil war, on the cossack side was Bohdan Chmielnicki, a hetman who was ethnically Polish. On the commonwealth side, was Jarema Wiśniowiecki, who was a Ruthenian nobleman. That's how absurd the whole dispute is. But it is a history. What broke the camel's back was the last straw. For 5 years we supported ukrainian efforts, we literally brough EU to help them. Ukrainians did a symbolic gesture, so we also did a symbolic gesture. And then zelensky chimped out and went all out
>>538649335Mutts should be permabanned for trying to discuss European history. You're showing the world your complete retardation and low IQDo you have some mongrel complex or you are wannabe European?
>>538643388The problem with your shit perspective is that you are just as bad as Ukraine because you are them same people and it's better to keep you devided and killing eachother.
He may be a very weak, feminine man, but I worship him on a partly homosexual level
>>538643388Except it's Ukrainians who are suffering and dying.So who is really being pushed around?Europe wants to get rid of Russia and is using Ukraine to achieve this long term goal.
>>538649316>Umm akshully>Grody CzerwieńskieYeah it was called Black Rus by the local, I do t give a fuck what Polish invader history calls it, they have no claim to it whatsoever.It was a Ruthenian (latin transliteration of Rus-sian) dominion of the Princedom of Galicia. Polishness/Catholic expansion was fiercely combatted there by the local Orthodox Princes but unfortunately Galicia was too far geographically from the White Rus (East-Moscow) and the Rus princes were disunited in front of the dual invasion of both Poles and Mongols.
>>538647376>russian propaganda>pictures confirmed by relations of survivors and exhumed skeletons>russian propagandaDonbas needs you
>>538641563Poles are big mad that giba are drying up and being diverted to Ukraine.
>>538649147Considering the size and population of the territories given to the Ruthenian nobility, we could argue that it's Ruthenians who oppressed Polish peasants, not the other way.
>>538647376Because slavs aren't famous of being on par with wildest niggers when left to wage wars with eachother like faggot you have a fucking modern example how vile fucks they are.
>>538641563>le Poland Ukraine relationship FUDOld news. Fuck off. Russia loses. Ukraine wins. Ukrainians are objectively the good guys, muscovites are objectively the villains, and hated/cursed by God. Figure it out.
>>538649594>Grody Czerwieńskie (literally meaning Red Fortresses) being called Black according to this niggerlmao.Americans trace their stupidity to their german genes
>>538649587>Except it's Ukrainians who are suffering and dying.Which ukrainians? Because there are plenty of refugees who live nicely all over the world, because zelensky allowed them to, or wasn't smart enough to procure some basic border control.>Europe wants to get rid of Russia Only we do, which is why we supported ukraine. The rest of europe would prefer to do business with russia again.
>>538647149QRD?
>>538648706Also standard practice at that time in Europe was to forcibly change the religion of all the commoners to the religion of King so you argument was like reversed no true ScotmanAlso much later, after the Partitions Russia forcibly converted grecko-catholics back into Russian Orthodox Church thus now there is no grecko-catholics in Belarus, some had to emigrate to Ukraine to keep their denomination
>>538647376You're a moron. Ukrainian nationalism was famously sadistic and practiced civilian massacres long before UPA.For example Ukrainian Ataman Cossack Skoropadsky, who betrayed the Russians in favour of Austrians, just gleefully massacres whole villages of locals, who weren't even Polish , just local Ukrainians that he suspected wouldn't agree with him betraying the Tsar.As such Ukraine Statehood is inherently genocidal from birth.
the wahhh bandera nazi wahh shit doesn't really make sense when you consider that a powerful Russia is the main force which wiped Poland off the map and left them vulnerable to slaughter in the first place.so maybe you don't like hohols but if you want Poland to be safe and independent it's in your interest to keep Russians killing Russians and stuck within the old borders of their gay and dead empire. (let's not bullshit, Ukrainians are Russians like Austrians are Germans, the idea of the Ukrainian people being any different from Russians is just a useful fiction)
>>538649964also>Haidamakithey were basically proto-upa
>>538649316Complete bullshit. Here is a map of Poland pre-1000AD. Rus was Christianized under said Vladimir the Great in 988. Rus was already a huge state. >The tribe of the Polans (Polish: Polanie; lit.'people of the fields') in what is now Greater Poland gave rise to a tribal predecessor of the Polish state in the early part of the 10th century, with the Polans settling in the flatlands around the emerging strongholds of Giecz, Poznań, Gniezno and Ostrów Lednicki.This unironically makes Russia actually older than Poland significantly.
>>538649964>CossackCossacks was a class, not a nationality. But yes, it says a lot about the culture in the region. Closer to Turks and Tatars than normal people.
>>538650053we already have a massive border both with Królewiec and Belarus. Russia doesn't need ukraine to attack us. And russia already tested us with some minor drone attacks. If anything, russia will start with conquering the balts first, and gotland island
>>538649964Zomia like Zaphorozia + Mongol occupation cultural remnants (Crimean Khanate influence) + Pirate-like culture (ask Turks...)
Russia send nukes, as many as possible, in all directions pazhaulsta
>>538641563>are poles seriously like ughh still mad over that genocide we did where we murdered 100,000 of them like gosh
>>538650074>Rus was Christianized under said Vladimir the Great in 988.>This unironically makes Russia actually older than Poland significantly.The christianization of Poland took place in 966 you illiterate nigger.
>>538650053also, a lot of blame goes to Obama, Biden, and Trumps second term. Obama wanted a reset with russia to weaken china. Biden approved SMO, and Trump instead of crushing putin, was trying to appease him. This war would have been over already, if there was a will to end it
>>538650074As said we should permaban Mutts from discussing Euroepan history. I know how Poland's map from Piast dynasty looks better than you. And you low IQ mutt will not lecture me with your "maps" because I know how they look better than you, and no they are not what you just posted
>>538650289>Trump instead of crushing putin, was trying to appease himWhen was it supposed to happen
>>538650289>instead of crushing putinStart small, try crushing Yemen first.
>>538650451Trump literally said that if he's elected, he would finish the war in 48 hours. Short memory much?
>>538650074Also here is the image source from Wikipedia because the image is in Polish. It's the extent of the Polish state at different points in time, none come even close to the modern Ukrainian border.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_during_the_Piast_dynastyThe other thing is that Poles are actively engaged in rewriting history and lying about it. Under the Wikipedia article for the Polish city Chelm, it says:>The first traces of settlement in the area of modern Chełm date back to at the least 9th century. The following century, a fortified town (gord) was created and initially served as a centre of pagan worship. In 981 the town, then inhabited by the Slavic tribe of Buzhans, was annexed from Poland by the Kievan Rus', along with the surrounding Cherven Towns. According to a local legend, Vladimir the Great built the first stone castle there in 1001. Following the Polish capture of Kiev in 1018, the region returned to Poland before it fell back to Kievan rule in 1031.Of course it's completely uncited but how can this even be possible considering that:>The historical Polish State hadn't even reached near Chelm in 985AD>The Buzhans are listed as East SlavsSo how did Poland teleport all the way over there and have East Slavs, who spoke a completely different language be part of Poland?
>>538650132It's not a matter of directly bordering them, it's a matter of them having the resources to do it. Russia has basically shit away its entire Soviet arms inheritance on this retarded war and has ended up cannibalizing large portions of its military industrial base simply to keep feeding men into the fire. Girkin, before he was jailed for defeatism, made several long screeds about this.This isn't WWII where they are getting more and more power from the war because the USA is not feeding massive amounts of resources into them for free. Which is the only reason the USSR even survived that war (Stalin, Zhukov and Khrushchev all agreed on this point) and was able to build its massive postwar/cold war military industry. Demographically both Russia and Ukraine are even more fucked than Europe is and the continuing failure of this war is making it worse and worse each day to the point where it becomes a security risk of failed states in the russkiy mir.
>>538650520>trump says thingsI meant actual actions
>>538641563Poles are anti white jewish golems who somehow convinced a large part of this mossad honeypot of a site into believing they are the last "based" nation in europe because they import jeets instead of muslims. Only a teny tiny percantage of poles can actually be considered human.
>>538641563Ukraine like the Finns joined the germans in killing ziggers. I don't think that should be held against them or anyone else. makes them based in my view. Patton was right.
>>538641563I hope this starts WW3. We need some new fucking games and I'm sick to death of WW2 and WW1 ones. FFS. Make something cool and futuristic.
>>538650606Don't shit yourself there ossi
>>538650600>something something venezuelait doesn't matter though because it's already too late. USA wasted a lot of their resources on Iran and it will take years before they can replenish it
>>538650254Potluck, back then nobody made such a big distinction between Poles and Russians , believe it or not. They both come from Neighbouring Tribes of Polonians and various Russian tribes. And both spoke to each other freely, there some funny shitposts in writing between Polish and Moscow/Rus Tsars and Princes So this up-ending each other is just funny.
>>538650693>doesnt deny itThe niggers of europe.
>>538650606Ok Ahmed
>>538648264Basically, Russia used to be further to the left. Then it moved to the right. But that really was a long time ago.
>>538650551Russians are literally having no fuel, no food, no future. And guess what? They're not angry at putin, they're angry at ukrainians. Russian citizens are used to have nothing and being happy. They have 500 years of experience in that.Russia is a state of mind, and it differs from a normal, logical person. If they were smart, they could have bribed ukrainian oligarchs, especially that before the war, zelensky wasn't a fan of bandera, and was eager to talk with putin. They would have achieved superior results. Combined with Nord Stream II, they would had basically owned the europe. Instead, they did something completely retarded, they wanted to flex a muscle and show their military prowess. The result, we can see on a daily matter. Recently they threatened that they want to attack balts and Poland too. And I believe them, because at this point, they are a rabid, cornered dog with nothing to lose.Never underestimate the eastern, post-soviet pettiness, stubborness and savagery
>>538650752A dostałeś chujem po czole
>>538650254False, Mieszko was Baptized in 966. However Rus rulers such as Olga of Kiev embraced Christianity early as well, in the 950's for Olga.Also:>Nevertheless, the Christianization was a long and arduous process, as most of the Polish population remained pagan until the pagan reaction during the 1030s.So really Russia was Christianized first but this is not meant to be about religion. Back then the rulers concerted before the general population. What I am trying to say is that the Russian state predates the Polish one. Which it does. The capital of Rus was moved to Kiev in 882, which is not even the beginning of Rus or the Russian state.
>>538650806clean my toilette mateusz
>>538650908If they have nothing to lose, they should nuke the planetPlease do
>>538641563>hohol subhumans chop Poles up like some feral niggers in Haiti>HOLY HECKIN HECK, are you still le mad?Poles who ignore this and shill for hohols should be fucking ashamed.
>>538650974>toiletYou kebabs shit into hole in the ground, you wont fool anyone
>>538651002Time will tell, albeit I have a gut feeling that majority of their nukes don't work. But we'll see
>>538650606But what he said was literally true.Pretty much all white people consider Germans to be white and white people had been a menace for Poland you know it well. In fact we killed and expelled you and did the most successful ethnic cleansing in history. Jews are bad too btw. I hate you both.
>>538650812Actually, it was Poland that used to be further to the left, a combination of moved and was pushed to the right and now is pretty much in it's rightful place. I have no idea why they seethe so much though.
>>538651085Let's see yes
>>538651036It's should be also noted how ukrainians block exhumations due to some red tape. They recently allowed for some digging in one area for a week. Of course, burned bones were found. Of course ukraine said - "nope" you have to stop excavations and get another permit. Some fucking "allies" they are
>>538649335Holy fuck You really are an anachronism-making Lefty...
>>538651073you have electricity and running water because of my taxes.>>538651182i never said i dont agree with them, you "people" are def not white and should all be culled.
>>538651189Seething is what kept us going all those centuries
>>538651308I'm so white I have to use baby sunscreen to not burst into flames when I go outside
>>538651308The fact is that you were the one culled and everyone is literally happy about that and no one has shed a tear because you're of equal value of a nigger or a jeet
>>538645507hope your family dies from drones
>>538641563Yes. I imagine you wouldn't. Fitting for someone who hides behind a memeflag.
Another funny thing is that Ukraine now going to have really big and strong army. Europeans are raising a golem, they think they will be able to control and always point at Russia. But why would Ukraine with 2 million men army listen to some countries who have armies of 10k people , 1 motorized division with 30 tanks and 0 drones? Ukraine knows that THE WORST the Europeans can do to Ukraine is to withhold aid, but Europe can't punish Ukraine for anything, because they simply don't have the weapons and men. So Ukraine already blew up pipeline in Germany - and weak Germans showered them with money. What conclusion do you think Ukraine got from this? We can attack weak European countries and they even going to pay us!So now they did terror attack in Monaco and who knows what kind of mossad bs they could pull in the future in Europe.
>>538641563it’s real. we hate each other. poland tried to be mature but ukrainian piggies chimp out like animals they are.
>>538651535yeah it’s bad. we should be allies with you russians but your government keeps insulting/threatening us which sucks
>>538651535The best way to punish Ukraine is actually to withold the aid. Ukraine is economical bankrupt and lives on handouts that keeps them alive without money flowing in Ukraine would collapse financially
>>538650974kys faggot i’ll clean your toilet using face of your mother
>>538651535We will be alright, do not lose sleep over us Wania
>>538650803Half of your genes come from a red army mongol
>>538651535Zelenskys main goal is for Ukraine to join NATO and EU. None of these things are feasible in the short time and will definitely not be possible in the long term because no one actually wants Ukraine in EU. There will be a massive backlash
>Poles trying not to get butthurt over history challenge: Impossible
>>538651535Another thing is that Russia is embarrassing and can't finish the job. You're the biggest laughing stockpile of Europe right now and will be for the forseeable decades because Russian government is basically a crime syndicate since 1991.
>>538651698Well at least we have history
>>538651378just like an albino nigger would have too. still not white. >>538651414>gets emotional because i hit the nail on the headlulnow go back to cleaning that toilete, slave.
>>538651826Your retarded nation literally invited half of Africa, Middle East and brown AsiaYou are a disgrace and we laugh at you
>>538650968Freely skipping between multiethinic tribes ruled by vikings (Rhus) and Kiev slavic proto-state they conquered...Every damn time...
>>538651649one week of my salary could feed your entire family for a month. but id rather burn the money desu>>538651671thats brave from the literal posterchild for rape babies of europe, noone even fucking knows what you "people" are nowadays because you are so mutted.
>>538651659i'm not losing sleep because of you, i am losing sleep because of world cup>>538651617i dunno, collapse financially doesn't seem likely. All the men who could revolt already conscripted, only women and kids left and they don't overthrow governments.
>>538651826There's nothing emotional. This is just a fact and your inabitlity to acknowledge that you're a biological warfare in Europe.
>>538652155I would not live in modern Germany even if then paid me desu...
>>538641563kekfucking slavs
>>538651535It's sad but its true, ukrops in case of "winning" will bite the hand that fed them and it should be obvious for anyone with IQ above room temperature.
>>538652185>collapse financially doesn't seem likely.Because they are literally being funded by Europe right now. Ukraine has massive debt, trash credit score, if it wasn't for the money flowing they wouldn't be able to pay for the retirements and basic services. The country would collapse from sheer inability to service anything.
>>538652283I have same with Germany and USA.Their president sure is a retard.I'd rather move to Belarus than live in a caliphate or United States of Embarassment
>>538641563it's play to reap votes from more and more disillusioned sheeps realizing they were fleeced and money went to jews through UkraineKO will be ooutvoted and PIS is just another side of false shekel (((they))) pushed on usall politicians must go, even Braun
>>538651910room temperature iq, therefore in poolakland probably considered a genius. if i remember correctly it was you subhumans who fought for an arabfied/jewified europe, not the germans.>>538652279I know you poolaks are basically animals, but even you should realise that you only put yourself down by puttng down a german, since, you know, you literally would be africa tier if it wasnt for the german welfare you greedily reach your hands after, like the little niggers you are.>>53865228390% of poolaks disagree with you, there are more poolaks living outside of pooland than inside pooland. let that sink in. what a sad shithole.
>>538652130Ok, here I mixed two things, sorry, still there are some very convenient skips in the earliest "Russian" historigraphy
>>538652665Did you clap like a retard after posting this horseshit?
>>538652665Poland literally improved since we expelled you cattle out. You were of equal use to societies like gypsies are in Romania. Though Romania didn't have the balls to exterminate them
>>538652369but Europe can't stop paying them, otherwise they would be accused of "Working for the Russians")) And will be canceled, while others will plug the gap.I expect that even if Le Pen wins in France, she would become anti-Russian and pay Ukraine.In this situatioon Ukrainians can do and say pretty much anything, and Europeans would close their eyes and pretend its not happening. There are kidnappings of Ukrainian men on streets and open murder in recruitment centers - European media is silent. Now Ukrainians are making real nazis into heroes of Ukraine, naming divisions after them - but European media can't talk about it because it would "play into Russian narrative of Ukrainian nazism", so they won't cover it either. Zelensky's right hand man was caught on corruption and arrested - and then he was bailed out of jail next week, with his bond paid by companies that never existed before the bail was set, literally companies spawned out of nowhere to donate bail money to him - and now this corrupt asshole walking free.Is there anything Ukraine can do that would be condemned and lead to the aid being stopped? I don't think so.
>Pole calls out a guy who calls out Poles a Russian>the guy who calls out Poles is actually an Ukrainian>the next guy accuses the guy who called out the guy who is Ukrainian a RussianKek.
>>538643924Nice try. Fake jewssian history.
>>538652967Just wait and see, we are on itI prefer to talk with you than this retarded GermanHow's the world cup and how are the lines for benzyna
>>538652665You have very well equipped universities, I respect that, apart from that argument from normie consooming behaviors is weak as fuck, probably many German normies would choose US...
>>538653027Yeah stupid shit ehYou guys have it better in south Slavia
>>538641563the last 5 years have taught me that Ukrainians are just really shitty peoplePoles are assholes, but they don't expect shit from anyone, so it's easy to shrug offUkies are assholes who expect the world to wipe their asses for themvery annoying
>>538652967>this corrupt asshole walking freekek, the pot calling the kettle black. Your former defense minister stole infinitely more money of his 35 year career and yet there he is, running your security council.
>>538652823>cant argue against facts so falls back to ad hominemniggers of europe>>538652901PAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA what a sad cope, you ever wondered why you werent able to get back on your own two feet so far? Its presicly because you expelled the only actual humans from your shithole the kept the whole thing running, now you are doomed to forever stay toilette cleaners, sad faith, but to say DESERVED would be an understatement.
>>538653253The horseshit you spew is so embarassingly stupid and false there is no need to take it seriously.Are you 12
>>538653175>You guys have it better in south SlaviaNever said that.
>>538647349>poland>who was Austria hungarys underboss in the late 1800s>late 1800s????????????????????Where the fuck did you go to school?
>>538653138You trying to compare some germans wanting to leave to e.g. US, with 90% of poles who ever existed wanting to come to germany? cmon now, lets be honest with ourselfs here.>>538653343>i know you are right but dont want to admit it so i just discredit it all as stupid and falsewhatever helps you sleep at night voitek.
>>538653432Can we swap for a decade or two pleaseChange of neighbours would be refreshing
>>538641563Ukies were pretty unapologetically communist back in those days.They are Scotland to russia's England, or Canada to the US.Yes the holodomor happened, but that wasnt an ethnic thing of Russians vs Ukrainians, it was a commie thing of central planners not knowing how fucking farms work.Most of the deaths were in Ukraine, but thats just because thats where the farmers were.During the soviet invasion of poland, the Ukrainians were enthusiastic participants.
>>538653482>It was real in my mind
>>538653482Is this how Germans try to cope in 202XsWith delusion of grandeur and old statistics?Wake up Ahmed, you are the shithole now
>>538643388Honestly its just the typical Slavic bullshit that has kept your half of europe a backwater under developed shithole for a thousand years.
>>538653583be careful what you wish for
>>538653583Honestly it wouldn't change a thing for you. Poland should teleport near Caribbeans or something, so your 24 hour siestas are stopped by short amount of work and you enjoy sunlight and drink from coconuts. You would have less GDP but you'd be happy.
>>538643388Also, nobody will ever believe that russians have no interest in invading europe, given that literally every time you have had the opportunity to do so, you have done so.Russians as bad as the fucking muslims with their attempts to enslave and subjugate white people.
>>538653826I know what you mean but I will take it within a heartbeat
>>538644340This shit is literally why most of the whites in this country came here.Our ancestors got tired of all the typical european horseshit.Going out into an uncharted wilderness to build a subsistence farm while fighting off Indian raids was considered preferable to dealing with your shit.
>>538652130>Early/East Slavs who just recently expanded and became the East Slavs>MultiethnicThen Poland is multi-ethnic too?
>>538653641If you cant even admit the well known fact that most poles would rather live somewhere else, than this convo has no point.>>538653677If germany is a shithole try to imagine how much of a shithole poolakland must be to be financially reliant on us lol Sad copes left and right, im kinda starting to feel bad.
>>538653836The Sun would melt me but still better than this eternal bs here
>>538643388I would probably have to cope too if my country sent my fellow men to die in a trench war over politics. >>538643757True. But it's fascinating to see how many wars the US have started since I was born.
>>538653840>given that literally every time you have had the opportunity to do so, you have done so.You're genuinely mentally ill. I suggest you take your mentally illness and join the AFU and then get droned. Because demented people like this are a threat to society, they live in a completely made up headcanon reality.
>>538646398>No, my tribe of backwards germanic savages owned it first!The Anglo looks upon you with disapproval and shame.
>>538653253>PAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA what a sad cope, you ever wondered why you werent able to get back on your own two feet so far? But we literally did and precisely because we got rid of subhumans from our lands. You're mad because we are a proof that you're good for nothing and nations can trive after getting rid of you
>>538653965We are not reliant, we are simply milking youI'd rather live in Moldova than your caliphateI mean it
>>538647149I wish whites would remember their roots.Maybe it would make the browns actually fear us again.
>>538641563>Are you guys really that mad over what happened in ww2?yuroniggers are still beefing over shit that happened 500 years ago
>>538653451I said it all weird. Austria was the big motherfucker but when this fell under their rule, they retained Poles as local rulers, so they were the undedrboss, not AH's boss. This part was actually governed from Austria, not Hungary who IIRC managed mainly the Balkans.
>mfw I'm technically half Polish
>>538654103You're not Polish and you will never be. You're a mutt
>>538642414bullshit, they know it very wellyou ever talked with banderites?literally 1 to 1 kike logic with israelthey all say poles deserved to be genocided since they ocupied land that was promised ukrainiansbanderites are just kikes and kike golems
>>538654019>entire nation financed by west euros since early 90s>still the biggest welfare recipient in all of europe 30 years laterl o l lmao even keep coping and denying reality you inhuman freak.
>>538653976As the emperor Aurelius said, the best retreat is one into your own mind. He also said: "People exist for one another. You can instruct or endure them". I have no wish to be a political leader, so I endure them and do the things I like.Average individuals are all pretty unlikeable to an elevated virtuous man. I despise this country and it's society, but I do not love any other either. Let virtue be your wall in this world, we live in bad days. You cannot escape human nature, and instructing people right now is pointless as consequences have to hit the masses for them to rise up to meet the challenge in front of them, or not and we will all die in our own shit.
>>538654177>entire nation financed by west euros since early 90sSays the biggest leech on the planet financed by Americans for the 80 or so years of your pathetic leeching existence.
>>538654073In the late 1800s Austria Hungary had very little influence and their primary focus was on seizing the balkans, which they were doing a very poor job at, they were a sick country by this point basically. The ukrop nationalism shit was more or less invented by the Germans and cemented during the treaty of Brest litovsk as a way of creating buffer states between them and the Russians. The Polish attempts to destabilize Russia didn’t really start until after they got their independence when the empire collapsed. It was part of the whole prometheism philosophy pilsudsky promoted, this idea where they could make Russia balkanize by empowering the random ethnic groups running around, the results were…less than desirable.
>>538654189Thank you wise sireI will now go because this one Germ shat all over himself and it stinksGoodnight
>>538654349>The ukrop nationalism shit was more or less invented by the Germans and cemented during the treaty of Brest litovsk as a way of creating buffer statesCorrect but they had a separate regional identity and they didn't really belong anywhere until someone told them what they are. They are not the only example in history.>>538654408Goodnight.>I will now go because this one Germ shat all over himself and it stinksI would be pissed too. They are basically a dead nation because they failed in WWII. Some who risk it all lose all.
>>538654049>we are simply milking youLike actual niggers, atleast you admit it though, also you very much are reliant, an iq above 80 would make this obvious, but poolaks are the lowest iq people of europe so i understand.>>538654255what a sad sad cope, im legit starting to feel bad for you lol denounce the talmud, stop acting like niggers and maybe ill let you clean my toilette for 5 euro a week.
>>538654349Pilsudski not supporting the Whites against the commies over anti Russian ass hurt and the Reds winning and btfoing Poland harder than anybody imagined was one of the IQ-moves of all time
>>538642414At least Polish women are more trad than Ukrainian women…right?
>>538654484>what a sad sad cope,You literally cannot refute the claim that your worthless shithole full of biological good-for-nothing bioweapon was being propped by the US as a meatshield against the Soviets for decades. You were of no use otherwise
>>538644343>Imagine being Ukraine - you're a non country, with no history and no achievements and the only "heroes" you have are the world's worst barbarians.Um sweaty…those are Russian talking point.
>>538654349That part was actually part of Austria Hungary though. It was governed pretty badly and they were not treated very well though, it got a reputation for severe poverty.>creating buffer states between them and the Russians.Funny thing about that. There's this thing called the "Council of Bar", which was an association of Polish Nobles ruling Ukraine then, who wanted to sell out their piece of Ukraine to the Ottomans to put the Ottomans between them and Russia. So inviting Muslims into Europe.
>>538654807Shut it down, the goyim are noticing.
>>538644725>What's up with Russians & cocksI notice that Russian talk a lot about assholes (well, asses but they aren’t referring to asscheeks).
>>538654463There’s a major difference between having a cultural identity versus having a national identity. The Ukrainians, ie “little Russians” or orthodox poles were not considered Russian necessarily but they had their own distinct identity, not a national one like the poles or the Finns though. A lot of the modern Ukrainian identity movement is very artificial because the history of Russia, Belarus and Ukraine is so heavily intertwined that up to a certain point you can’t really distinguish them.>>538654498Pilsudksi exemplified what I like to call schizo politics, the poles are very good at it. Basically just make insane decisions all the time and do the stupidest most incoherent shit possible. Poland from the moment they gained their independence got to work pissing off literally, and I do mean literally, every single one of their neighbors. There’s a reason they they had to beg Britain to help them out in 1939, everyone else fucking hated them. The best example of this was how the poles wanted to create this “intermarum” of friendly states that resist both major powers…and then proceeded to invade Lithuania and take land from the Czechs. Like I said, schzio politics.
>>538654871Yup, schizo politics once again. You’d think the poles wouldn’t be fans of the ottomans but you can never have a coherent stance on anything in the polish world.
>>538654928>orthodox poles
>>538641697Bandera?
>>538654747you are too low iq to argue with, blinded by your national pride (why tf would anyone be proud of poolakland in the first place?) keep living in your fantasy world were pooland stronk.
>>538649942They nailed children to doors, while alive.It was a makeshift Ring system.
>>538655027They exist. Pope John Paul was a fan of his Orthodox neighbors in fact. He did a lot of reconciliation work with the Eastern Orthodox.The Ukraine however means borderland in.... Russian not Polish. It was a Russian border region. There were attempts at making it a country/ German puppet state even during WWI.
>>538655027So the modern Ukrainian language you see in books and shit isn’t really a language people typically speak in Ukraine, especially historically. It’s a constructed language largely created during the Soviet period as part of the decolonization policy. Most people in Ukraine today will say they speak Ukrainian but they actually speak surzhik which is a pidgin of Russian and Polish. Back in the late 17th century when began taking the ukraine back from the khans and the poles the people that lived there were polanized and then Russified, creating what you see today.
>>538655077This is not a national pride. This is just germanorealism. There's literally nothing positive about you, you're a literal biological stain and it would be better if you never existed but you're just too prideful to admit that. Your entire existence is embarrassing to white people
>>538655221Oh no, so the term “orthodox pole” isn’t referring to people living in Poland, it was a term for people living in the ukraine (the geographical region, ukraine literally means borderland) who were of course overwhelmingly orthodox. The region was owned by Poland for centuries back during their historic apex under the commonwealth.
>>538655338Yeah who can forgot those famous Poles: the Kievan Rus.
>>538655027Imagine how much more insane Poles would be if they were orthodox.
>>538641563The real problem is Ukraine prevents the excavation and burial of 100k Poles that were murdered in Ukraine. The thing that hurts people the most in this regard is that they allow both Russia and Germany to exhume and bury their dead. We were asking for this for the last 30 years. And since now the President is a historian that actually worked on trying to get the bodies buried he's completely disillusioned with Ukraine and would just give it to Russia for what they have done. Suck to be them but they pulled this shit with the wrong President.
>>538655524Kievan Rus isn’t a nation, using the term that way is a misnomer. It’s more accurate to say it’s a historic time period in a geographical region. The Rus was “unified” in the sense they were mostly Slavs and spoke more or less the same language, but they had many princes that waged war with each other. There was a concept of a Rus people (Russian) but there wouldn’t be Russia until later. The term Kievan Rus really just refers to the period when Kiev was the historical center of power, this power would transfer to suzdhal and later Moscow, by the time the mongols arrived Kiev had already been sacked 3 times and was largely seen as irrelevant even to the mongols. In contrast Poland was already a pretty established nation state by the time the yoke ended, and by the 1600s they were at their apex and controlled a large portion of the Ukraine. Of course after the smuta they had their backs broken and the century of humiliation followed.
>>538655754My take is: the Ukrainian state is a bunch of mafiosos at this point.Not making a value judgment on anyone else. I don't know/care, no one else is vacuuming up my tax money at the rate they are.If you are a neighboring state watching Ukraine collapse in real-time, it would be irresponsible to not position yourself to scoop up whatever remnant you can from the ashes.
why did ukraine massacre hundreds of thousands of poles?i dislike and am annoyed by ukraine and zelensky they are continuing a war that could have already been brought to an endthey have no regard for the lives of ukrainian citizens
>>538655979Ethnic cleaning, the UPA wanted to create a Ukrainian nation which was hard because the Ukraine has always been a very diverse region with a ton of smaller ethnic groups, especially in the west. They eliminated the poles because they made up the majority in the west, simple as that.
>>538655979They didn't only kill Poles. They also targeted Czechs, Hungarians, Russians and basically anyone that didn't consider themselves a Ukrainian. It was a attempt at national identity building since back then Ukraine was just a geographical term.
>>538655979Ukrainian leadership is literally jewish lol. Russian ones are jews and noviops, not much difference. Both don't care about the domestic population and they are not afraid of them either because whenever the regimes in the east fall they just get a new strongman. Plus leaders everywhere are of lower quality compared to 50 years ago and are getting progressively lower in quality. We are being led by subhumans.
>>538655979>why did ukraine massacre hundreds of thousands of poles?same reason why Hutu killed the Tutsi>>538655027orthodox poles exist you should also read about Ukrainian catholics
>>538656046in that case, what is the difference between ukraine and russia?russia is killing ukrainians to turn ukraine into land for russian diaspora, and that, too, could be justified
>>538656180>in that case, what is the difference between ukraine and russia?there is no difference zelensky first language was Russian and most diplomats in Ukraine went to Moscow school of diplomacy
>>538647564I can’t believe nobody ITT has posted pic related yet.
>>538656180>russia is killing ukrainians to turn ukraine into land for russian diaspora, and that, too, could be justifiedCould be justified 200 years ago not now when Russian TFR is close to 1.1, they have so much land to spare and an increasing muslim minority. This war is completely unecessary from realpolitik viewpoint, it started for various reasons but I am going to sleep so I won't write them. Anyways, Putin and Zelensky do not care about their own people.
>>538656135>>538656088>>538656067i'm also annoyed by the narrative in which the us and the west portray ukraine as if it were palestinethe situation in ukraine is fundamentally different from that of palestinea corrupt politician like zelensky is driving ukrainian civilians to their deaths, while putin who never knows when he might be assassinated is relishing his power through a relationship of hostile symbiosisthe ukrainian government is not acting insanely by stubbornly continuing the war, even though the majority of ukrainian citizens WANT peace and an end to the war
>>538655979Because UPA (their "freedom fighters") wanted to create Ukraine on Polish lands, they first tried to collaborate with Nazi Germany during the occupation to some extent, after realizing they would not get Ukraine they got in their own hands by making the land "ethnically clean" aka getting rid of non-Ukrainians, that included killing children and women with the most brutal methods possible. There was also some retaliation by Poles, that's why ukrainian propaganda spins it as polish-ukrainian war, while it was clearly genocide and acts of reprisals.
>>538656180There is a big difference, the ukrainians didn't just murder defenseless civilians because they knew all of the Polish men were either in Soviet Gulags or forced into slave labor by the Germans, it was the most hainous torture imaginable, everything from cutting pregnant women open, placing live cats inside their womb and sewing them back together with the cat still inside, to nailing babies to trees and walls with knives through their tongues.
>>538656546These talks kind of absolve the Russia of it's retardation in crossing the border in 2022 in the first place and managing to lose the most pro-Russian region because they simply cannot into diplomacy. It takes two to tango.
>>538653952Ruriks became as vikings were kings of state of various ethnicity tribes Slavs, Chuds accepted as neutral arbiter between those various ethic groups (viking were external element) this is literary as it was stated in the earliest Russian Chronicles
>>538656610>>538656318violence only begets more violencei fail to see how zelensky and the ukrainian government by refusing to do what the ukrainian people want are any different from russian governmentNothing in this world is more precious than human life.those who do not understand this would be better off living in totalitarian states like china or russia, where human rights are suppressed and people are treated like cattle
There were some small tensions before but right now even people who never give a shit are going almost TOTAL HOHOL DEATH in my company which consist mostly of calm and well educated people. You guys don't undertsand how fucking bad the attitude changed lately... Considering our nation work in good will as their global logistic hub to pass help, they literally insane to go on with their bullshit.
>>538656930That's just ukrainian mentality. They are basically like if you mix soviet corruption and scammy mentality with their nationalism, nothing good ever happens, that's why ukraine is not liked in Poland at all. In Poland we have in general prejudice towards people from former USSR because of their mentality
>>538656720just how many more ukrainian citizens have to die before russia admits its wrongdoing?i don't know exactly what uutin wants, but it is clear that if more ukrainians die and ukraine's ability to function as a nation becomes paralyzed, that in itself is a good thing for russia>>538656673ethnic cleansing is such a futile endeavor;it only breeds tragedy, as seen in the case of yugoslaviathe relatively recent history of serbs and croats peoples of the same ethnicity engaging in ethnic cleansing against one another bears witness to this
>>538656930>i fail to see how zelensky and the ukrainian government by refusing to do what the ukrainian people want are any different from russian governmentAs I keep telling you they are not Ukrainians in the first place. They are JEWS. And this is not propaganda this is out in the open lol.>>538657338>just how many more ukrainian citizens have to die before russia admits its wrongdoing?You are too naive.
>>538657091it is heartbreaking to see ukrainians experiencing nothing but death and poverty in that blessed, fertile territorypeople say poverty renders a person's morality and conscience meaninglessthe stereotype of chinese people from china as dishonest and adept at bluster and lying is, in part, a consequence of mao zedong and the disastrous failure of the cultural revolutioneven as late as the mid-2000s, china was an underdeveloped country poorer than southeast asia, and that harsh reality turned its people into cold-blooded individuals who cared only about money and succes
>>538650908You misinterpret me, I am not a LE RUSSIAN MORALE IS BROKEN coper. I am a Russorealist. My estimation at the start of this war is ~2-3 million Russians needed to die to defeat the Russian Federation. If they do not die in Ukraine, they will die in the Baltic. If they do not die in the Baltic, they will die in Poland.
>>538643388well that would track, since they are russians after all they behave exactly like russians. luckily, just like russians they are too retarded to understand that this will completely undermine their chances to be viewed as european and enter into the EU, they will remain the brutish meatreserve we keep on the eastern flank to fight it out with you russians whenever we feel a need to
>>538657722Because ukrainians are inherently corrupt as people + they are a nation of peasants, they never had an elite or intellectuals, they were never a country. When they were ruled by Russia during USSR this region was so so... there was development, but when they got independence they ruined everything. Not many people are talking about it because its politically incorrect these days and you would be accused of being pro-russian. But its safe to say that Russia didn't do much better, they became a mafia state run by oil and oligarchs with massive regional differences in wealth.
>>538641563>Everyone should get mad at Russia for what happened in WW2, BUT NOT UKRAINE!Do NAFOniggers really?
>>538641563No civilians care about any of the bullshit their WEF government is talking about
>>538641697>>538641563Its funny how russian shills are desperately trying to cause some conflict between poland and ukraine as if there is no HUGE FUCKING RUSSIAN NIGGER INVASION GOING ONlike come on, it might have worked before the war but now its just pathetic. But anything goes, right commies? Trhowing any possible shit at the wall hoping it sticks while your refineries burn?
>>538657727It's a western myth and CIA propaganda that Russia wants PolandPoland wasn't in the USSR and its too foreign for Russia to actually want it to absorb. The war is about spheres of influence, Russia claims Ukraine as their exclusive zone and since they were slipping away from that Poopin' decided war is the solution...
>>538643388You ziggerfags have completely given up. Huh?
>>538641563I'm so sick of Slav nigger drama. Fuck you subhuman POS.
>>538659311Not interested > ignore the threadNobody needs an insight from some dysgenic mutt subhuman immigrant
>>538641563Poles used to behave like niggers during the interwar period and they are still offended that ukies lashed out at them for that.
>>538643388Thanks Russian anon for this summary of the last few years.
>>538660509Although I concede, I like poles and it pains me to see this bullshit unfold at the most critical moment
>>538660509And here comes the Georgian criminal to the pigger's aid. It's like a clockwork.
>>538660732>criminalJust like your occupation of Vilnius
>>538641563Yes. I’m now Jewish but I’m still stuck on WW2>Torah Torah Torah Japan didn’t declare war on the American peopleChange my mind Historical Significance: Nagasaki has been a crucial center for Christianity in Japan since the arrival of Jesuit missionaries in the 16th century. It became the primary location for Catholicism, especially after the Tokugawa shogunate's ban on Christianity from 1614 to 1868. Christian Presence: While Hiroshima is more widely known for the atomic bombing on August 6, 1945, it also has a history of Christian presence, though it is not as prominent as Nagasaki.https://www.bitchute.com/video/oU6KAhKfXNg5/
I feel like everyone is stuck on the name being used and not the fact it's a literal nazi brigade active in Ukraine right now that's using it and wanted to use it. Even the staunchest pro Ukraine supportrrs know that Ukraine does indeed have a nazi problem, but they're fighting Russia so they just have to ignore it.
