> muh panopticonTheory: What if Palantir and Co. failed in Iran to deliver on expectations that were based off of the previous "successes" in Gaza and Ukraine etc.Iran prepared for this by basically creating an industrial-scale asymmetric war-machine with massive focus on low-tech stealth. Think GLA Stealth General, no joke. What if Palantir is not able to differentiate between those asymmetric assets and civilian traffic? AI succeeded in Ukraine because predominantly you are looking for clearly identifiable military assets, and succeeded in Gaza because you can destroy indiscriminately - because your target is highly concentrated and you have free ammo.This would also explain Trump's recent comment on "AI needing far more electricity". They know that if AI does not have what it takes to monitor a complex battlefield in a single enemy nation, it doesn't have what it takes to perfectly monitor citizen behavior either.Anybody with half a brain knows AI is a huge bubble, but this would mean it's all much, much worse than anybody thought.
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>>538642635hilux bros? not like this…
>>538643248They have to be able to get up to speed to launch, hilux fags can only crawl across a flat desert.
>>538642635Effort bump for an effort post
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>>538643428Thanks. Would appreciate a discussion about this, tho. Does anybody else have a feeling Palantir, and by extension AI, is utterly failing to deliver?
>>538642635go back mahmut
>>538643559Fuck I hate this place so much
>>538642635>Think GLA Stealth General, no joke.Yeah, likely the one called Deepseek.
>>538642635To condense down decades of history with the government and various contracting companies, it expanded drastically during both world wars. President Eisenhower warned about this in his farewell address (the 'military industrial complex') in 1961.What's happened in the past 65 years is that this has only expanded. And not in a good way. More money is being extracted from the US taxpayer with less and less to show for it. 25 years ago, the charade was already getting ridiculous with the Pentagon unable to account for a mission trillion, never passing an audit (and now it's normalised to where it's simply not even expected). A trillion missing now, due to both the counterfeiting of the dollar itself and the expansion of the corruption, seems a lot less controversial than it did a 25 years ago.Here's a simple thing, take a look at something like the Patriot system. If the manufacturer is making a big claim about interception rates then the government (that's buying these) should be asking them to substantiate the claims. Show us the radar data. Have another entity (that has no conflict of interest) to actually look at the data. None of this is even being done. The orders only increase, the budget only increases. Nobody is held to account. Not even the generals that should be raising their objections. Why don't they? Because there is a very comfortable job in the private sector waiting for them if they don't rock the boat. Which they can get on top of their military benefits. Nobody is investigated, fired or sent to jail. So the problem only increases.
>>538643506I do not believe they will work like intended and I assumed it was a double sided scam. Side one, grift as much money out of the governments pocket through grants and loans (currently happening) and then, side two, saturate the public with ideas of blowing them up (currently happening) and then profit off of the insurance payouts when the public finally does snap and start fire bombing these place. I really like your analysis tho, very very probable what you laid out in you original post
>>538642635War is the ultimate tester of a technology's usefulness, I can see it
>>538644918Palantir, their story is actually one of having to sue the government to even get to eat at the trough, because the lobby is so strong they won't want any kind of competition for that taxpayer money. But Palantir isn't anywhere near great as they're trying to claim either. You have some crazy Jew in charge of that company that fancies himself as some kind of tech wizard that belongs at the table and we should all be wowed by their capabilities. But Jews like him aren't actually that smart. US military capabilities peaked when you had "silent generation" people there, that could be 100% trusted to work in secret, had the raw intelligence necessary to come up with completely novel things. This is the generation that got us things like the transistor. There was a fresh injection as well during the time of Operation Paperclip, the expertise there for getting to the moon and so on, carries over into things like missile tech. The US had the edge here, and had it for decades, there's no denying that. But it slowly started to decline.The point at which I see this decline reach a tipping point is right after Bush jr announces they were going to improve the missile capability even further (faster, more accurate). He announced this and shortly after, Israel does 9/11 and now the priority are these low intensity conflicts, where American soldiers are kicking down doors of Hajjis or Sandniggers and there is no need to actually improve things like missile capability.What we've seen in the decades after this, is how other countries like Russia, China and Iran, have all caught up and in some regards are leading the way. This is one of the reasons why you see a spook like Tucker Carlson directly attack the Israel lobby. It's one thing to feed at the trough like all the others, especially if the US is getting something like this (the ability to cause chaos in the ME, to fuck with say China or Russia indirectly, via proxies). But the tail doesn't get to wag the dog.
>>538642635>What if Palantir is not able to differentiate between those asymmetric assets and civilian traffic?even I could literally do it
>>538645208> War is the ultimate tester of a technology's usefulness,That's a damn good point. What's your personal take on the results AI in warfare has delivered so far?I'm thinking of "The Gospel" which basically assessed phone calls and text messages of people and then supplied literally only a color of green/yellow/red and no fucking officer ever read any single background intel on the assessment but just pushed a kill-button (I used to have the stat how often they decided to kill, but I think it was around 89%, often even in green-cases)In my opinion, it is becoming ever more evident that the current concept of "AI" is a massive pipe-dream. It will probably end up delivering on 10% of the promise.The thing is, I think nobody will care. I think we will literally end up in idiocracy> but muh AI saidjust because people hate being proven wrong
>>538645552You can distinguish between random people walking down the street with a guitar case on their back and a uniformed Spetsnaz sniper, yes. I bet money on that. Never mind, I have no idea what you're trying to say.
>>538642635The open source AI LLM they use are trained based on poopjeet sources. You expect an LLM based on indian CSAM, rape, blacked porn, cow pooja streetshitting ritual, exam cheating; to solve problems of asymetric warfare in iran?Besides shit data, it still needs constant human input to calibrate the AI. The top brasses like company execs think the AI is like press button to solve everythingFinally, US casualties is painful if measured from monetary loss instead of body counts.
>>538642635Palantir AI fails because it can't tell the difference between little girls and military personnel.
>>538650236>Palantir AI fails because it can't tell the difference between little girls and military personnel.its literally deliberate, and its an israeli casualty maximization algorithm called "Where's Daddy?"The US tomahawk strike on the girls school used target data generated by an israeli AI called "LAVENDER/Wheres Daddy?""WHERES DADDY", a fatality maximization algorithm tracked suspected 'militants' movements, waiting untill targets were 'at home' to issue strike orders, ensuring mass casualty events that would kill entire families in single attacks, including anyone else in the building at the time and then "double tap" the first responders.>https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/israel-gaza-ai-database-hamas-airstrikes>https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/as official policy, israel does not distinguish between "civilians/the un-involved" and combatants. thus wives and children of those designated (((terrorists))), the first responders providing "comfort/aide to "terrorists", or even those who live around or near a designated person are recognized as 'valid military targets' no different than a uniformed soldier or an air defense battery.by israeli logic>"the children just grow up to be 'terrorists' anyway">"the wives give birth to future "terrorists". "we warned you not to raise 'terrorists'">"the first responders are saving the lives of "terrorists">"the press are propagandists for the enemy, endangering our operations">"the neighbors of 'terrorists' knew, did nothing, and are thus co-consipirators" they arent 'killing civilians'...because 'no one is innocent'...and you will hear them verbalize this logic, verbatim, almost ceaselessly when rationalizing their stratospheric civilian fatality rates, arguing "they are the most moral military in the world" who "gave them fair warning too!..with cell phone messages and notifications even!"
>>538642804Ich bumpe deine thread
>>538643506Techbros unironically believe we are seeing the quickening of God (capital-"G"). Yes, AI has been oversold to the public and to governments.
>>538644918>Nobody is held to account. Not even the generals that should be raising their objections. Why don't they? Because there is a very comfortable job in the private sector waiting for them if they don't rock the boat. Which they can get on top of their military benefits. Nobody is investigated, fired or sent to jail. So the problem only increases.Bingo, but I'll add that it's not confined to the military industrial complex; obviously it applies to medicine, but really ANY industry that requires government oversight (Education, Agriculture, Automobile...) is liable to this corruption. We are watching slow-motion complex system collapse, and things will get much worse before (if) they get better.
>>538649401I kind of think you're missing the point. I mean, you're right, but LLM's are one side of the AI issue, you might say a verbal representation of the limitations of "AI"Palantir on the other hand claims to take countless snippets of battlefield data and create a bigger picture. But what if part of the data is corrupted by real-life facts (such as: the launcher is disguised as a commercial delivery truck) and the only "solution" is "create even moar artificial neurons".The more data items / tokens or whatever the fuck you tryna connect, the picture gets more and more complex, the more energy you need, the more risk of AI losing track of its own "train of thought". Human intelligence solves this very intuitively, and depending on intellect, humans can self-identify individual rationales that lead to their own decisions quite well, we are simply not able to precisely process as many datasets so clearly on an individual basis as AI.I fucking hope this makes an inkling of sense. I guess tl;dr is AI is good as a tool to analyze individual decisions, but it will never autonomously work without massive risks and backdoors
>>538651208Is this for real?Feels you need to smoke weed to believe this
