Leaked documents from Russia-China military forums (Guangzhou) reveal China proposed a 3-level plan to counter Starlink: diplomatic blocking of orbits/frequencies, jamming/cyber attacks via terminals, and kinetic destruction. China gives all needed tech and cooperation to Russia in exchange for full and unrestricted access to Russian Ukraine combat data that China plans to integrate in its battlefield systems.https://theins.press/en/inv/294635Starlink is critical for Ukrainian command, drone ops, targeting, and comms in jammed areas. Effective large-scale disruption/jamming could blind frontline units, reduce drone effectiveness, and hinder coordination - shifting battlefield advantage to Russia. SpaceX has patched issues before, but coordinated Russia-China EW/ASAT efforts raise the threat level significantly.Chinas technologies (shareable per the proposal):- Advanced high-power microwave (HPM) and laser directed-energy weapons for satellite disruption.- Sophisticated electronic warfare/jamming systems with adaptive, wide-area capabilities.- Mature ASAT weapons (kinetic, co-orbital) and cyber tools for terminal malware injection.- AI-driven satellite tracking, constellation modeling, and autonomous counter-space systems.Microelectronics, phased-array radars, and high-power amplifiers.
>>538677692Space is fake & gay.
>>538677736that what space jews want u to believe
>>538677692why dont they just blow the satellites up?
>>538677871>why dont they just blow the satellites up?Thats the last resort solution, like a total war. There are plenty less invasive solutions that can be successfuly used as well.
>>538677871Want to hear the funny part? Satellites don't exist.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS4jPjs6JPw
Chinks are helping them with targeting by sharing satellite data. Nafoids still have wet dreams about China stabbing Russia in the back but it's starting to look like they're closer than ever.
>>538678272They would be stupid to stab each others back amid NATO warmongering. They dont even need a military alliance to help each other. Strategic partnership is enough.
>>538678417Agreed. If either one becomes pro western for whatever reason, the other is screwed. Safer to work together for their common good.
>>538677871>why dont they just blow the satellites up?Because that would be an incredibly stupid way to shoot yourself in the foot.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome
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>>538678624most of the debris would fall down back on earth eventually anyway since these starlink satellites are so low.
>>538678624>>538678706>>538678718China prioritizes Kessler syndrome risks, deliberately positioning its vast satellite network in higher orbits (MEO/GEO) beyond the reach of most modern anti-satellite weapons. This contrasts with the Wests heavy reliance on LEO constellations like Starlink. In a total war scenario, an LEO debris cascade from ASAT strikes would devastate Western communications and reconnaissance, while Chinas higher-orbit assets remain largely unscathed, granting a significant strategic advantage.
>>538678824Things have to pass through LEO to reach MEO/GEO. You'd be cutting off space exploration and new satellites for centuries. Also explosions are in 3D, half your debris would get blown into a higher orbit
>>538678824BTW, 100% Bolandas "satellites" (micro-shit-boxes) are located in LEO too so in case of real war, they would be wiped out with debris of kosher Starlink and thats how Polish space odyssey would abruptly end before it even started xD
>>538679071LEO debris aint an impassable shell - shielded transits remain feasible post-conflict. Blast debris reaching MEO/HEO becomes sparse with collision odds negligible versus LEOs density.
>>538678158The chink space program practically is a Kessler syndrome event. Also star link is a threat to countries like China and Iran and since their Temu copycat program is failing and years behind they have to kneecap the one that works.https://aerospace.org/news/chinas-space-debris-sparks-worry-over-kessler-syndrome-catastrophe
>>538677692Fake and gayThe only source that Russia was using Starlink was Zelensky said so.After Starlink shut down drone strikes by Russia doubled then tripled.Zelensky invents problems then pretends he won. Like with Belarus recently where he pretended they were guiding Russian drones then pretended they promised to stop.
>>538677692>> Russia >> China Ming Ling Has An Opinion. That's Cute. Russians & Chinese Aren't having children & won't exist in 50-60 years LMFAO You Silly Incels
>>538677692They can't go full kinetic or else it will cause space debris and too many international uproar. Besides theres about 12000 satellite in orbit so missiles won't do the job. However theres soft kill option like using HPM weapons and Laser but im not sure about its legality. the biggest headache of the starlink satellite is that uses phased array antenna. So if you aren't close to the user terminal it could null your jamming signal plus muktiple of them are moving at high speed at leo orbit. Russia tried to jam the uplink with theur garnet system but it only jammed just about 20km area. Also last I heard china tried use 1000-2500 balloon/drone jammer to block downlink signal for user terminals though I doubt thry could pull it off in contested area.
>>53868257220km2 I meant. Also this things are too expensive and each only work against single satellite. In contested area this are valuble targets. If they can't make cheap rnough jammers I don't know how could they ever counter starlink.
>>538678718would take centuries for debris to fall down; some never will
>>538678272chinks know when russia fall, china is next. The russia-china conflict will only happen under one condition: when US & Europe destroyed.
>>538682792>The russia-china conflict will only happen under one condition: when US & Europe destroyed.Not necessarily, unless Russia decides to invade China again and steal its land. The Chinese mentality is not really expansionist. I think the Chinese have a realistic chance to achieve such technological superiority that Russians wont even think about any aggressive measures.
>>538677692damn whats with all the glownigger threads tryna get me to fear china today?
>>538682955Fear not. China will _never_ attack your Monroe American pseudo-island/pseudo-continent as long as you stay at home and embrace your spic demographic future. But if the USrael decides to meddle in Eurasia, a lot of bad things can happen
>>538683030yeah if you think the jewSA is going to stop fucking with china's rise, youre dreaming. our economy runs on war and we just rebranded our defense dept to remind everyone of that. theyre negotiating the terms of the war as we speak.
>>538677692Chinks apparently have some experience in that topic.Unless you believe Iran jammed Starlink by their own during protests.
>>538683087>yeah if you think the jewSA is going to stop fucking with china's rise, youre dreamingYeah, i know that it struggles, pro-actively since 2019. But so far, it lost trade war, it lost tech war, and now it is being humiliated by the Chinese puppy such as brownskinned Iran. I generally think that sometimes the best solution is simply going away from the poker table and save money instead of losing everything xD
>>538679097>BTW, 100% Bolandas "satellites" (micro-shit-boxes) are located in LEO too so in case of real war, they would be wiped out with debris of kosher Starlink and thats how Polish space odyssey would abruptly end before it even started xDIDK if you hear about that but Polish Air Navigation Services Agency was pawned by Pfitzer recently.
>>538683160well in case you havent noticed from pollockistan, our leaders do whatever the hell they want. even their oppo is a psy op (the so called democratic socialists are fake as they come).
>>538683194Thats the essence of Bolanda. Jewish-American pseudo-pharma company (in reality a military project) literally takes over asset of some Bolandas agency to cover expenses it generated to poison the Polish population with a genetic bioweapon that currently exterminates millions of Poles year after year, and will be causing excess mortality for generations. I dont claim that this "air agency" is worth anything, but still, this level of vassalisation is ridiculous xD
>>538677692Zog lost
>>538677692For years you read these sci-fi tier bullshit from Russia and China, and every time it just ends up being a nothing burger. You would think with space expertise of Russia and industrial capacity of China, they would actually have their own better Starlink equivalent. Instead, ruskis have radio retransmission mounted on donkeys.Chinkoids still don't have nuclear powered vessels even with Russia as their ally. On paper they have all the knowledge base and materials to do something.Spiteful mutants who cheer these incompetent shitholes against the ZOG are not long for this world.
>>538683472zog is too powerful. its stupid to root against them. they have all the most game theory-tested glowniggers and they own all the popular infrastructure. theyll release a supervirus before letting eastoids gain a lick of leverage over them.
>>538677692Makes sense, they do need to start testing disrupting Starlink since similar satellites will be used in places like Taiwan.
>>538683595ZOG wants to be feared. So fear not. Especially the "COVID vaccinated" have literally nothing to lose at this point xD
>>538677692Herro happy russian bot!
>>538677871Apart from being insanely expensive to do? It’s pretty much the equivalent of attacking USA on home soil.
>>538683649i fear neither zog nor chink nor rooskie. its like fearing the weather.
Sometimes I feel bad for the "allies" of China who are subjected to their "aid," but then I remember that they had a choice and decided to side with the bug men.
>>538677871Kessler syndrome
>>538683595delusions of grandeur. china is more than capable of sattelite internet.
Eastern russian territories are the rightful Chinese clay. China should take what's theirs.
>>538683914sure thing chang but as i already mentiones, zog will happily sabotage sincere efforts to compete fairly with our octopus infrastructure
>>538684039thats what rival nations do and china is more than capable of fucking with your sattelites. are you aware that americans are still arguing about whether science is real?
>>538683472>they would actually have their own better Starlink equivalent.They do, it's called Rassvet, the Ukrainians have been complaining about it for a while
>>538684146miss me with your bad faith arguments yellow scourge. i also already said americans dont run shit. zog, cog, glowies, tptb, vampiric pedophiles, whatever you want to call them, theyre calling the shots. our goycattle are merely a labor force and tax slaves. im sure china has ways to make it hurt for us, but zog also has ways of taking down their extremely dense industrial infrastructure. use your head.
>>538677871Because it gives a precedent and justification. If blowing up satellites isn't an act of war, USA will start shooting every satellite they want. And believe me, China can't outmatch USA in this. Russia, maybe they have the tech but they won't have enough funds to constantly do this. And even if the ruskies and chinks stop blowing up satellites USA will keep doing it unless a deal advantageous to them can be made. In long term, USA wins. Never give USA any justification for its aggression. That's what USA always wants, a good reason to attack.
>>538678158Ive seen starlink twice. Get out of here with your bullshit
>>538684269exactly. our MO is to spit in your face so you punch us and then we shoot you in the face. this has been our tactic for at least the last century, probably longer. and as for blowing up satellites, we mustnt ignore the high risk of space debris. no industrialized nation wants that.
>>538684252Btw, the industrial arson happening for the last couple of years in China have already escalated. Anti-government movements have now started burning down residential areas, primarily multi-storey apartments. The CCP is already having a hard time monitoring their own people and the rebels are timing it in the middle of natural disasters. I bet there's some CIA funding funneling these movements, probably via crypto.
>>538683472Chinas edge in MEO/GEO satellites centers on BDS. BeiDou operates 35 satellites (24+ MEO, plus GEO/IGSO), larger than GPS (31 MEO). It offers superior signal availability, accuracy in Asia-Pacific/low latitudes and features like short messaging. Over 200 countries use it, many (Africa/Asia) prefer it over GPS. China also deploys advanced GEO ISR (Yaogan SAR/optical) for persistent regional surveillance. The US leads overall (especially LEO) and has mature GEO comms but its GPS constellation is aging with fewer backups. Chinas hybrid orbits and rapid launches provide resilience and dual-use advantages. In total war (Taiwan scenario), Chinas MEO/GEO edge could prove more decisive despite US numerical superiority in high orbits. Chinas GEO satellites provide continuous, all-weather surveillance over the Western Pacific, tracking US carriers and forces in real-time for DF-21/26 carrier killer strikes. US high-orbit assets are fewer, less optimized for this theater. BeiDou offers better Asia-Pacific accuracy, decimeter PPP, short messaging for C2/missiles. PLA fully decoupled from GPS, US forces remain GPS-dependent. Fewer, higher, hardened assets harder to fully neutralize quickly vs vulnerable LEO proliferated constellations. Chinas 510+ ISR sats enable rapid kill chains. US dependence on space for global power projection creates greater vulnerability in contested theater. Chinas architecture matches its A2/AD strategy: deny US intervention locally. US "more sats" advantage dilutes in high-intensity regional war.
>>538678158The chink "spy drone" or whatever was disclosure of this, whole world is pure theatre
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>>538684371there usually is. maybe im too cynical but im almost completely past believing any resistance efforts anywhere ever arent funded by oppo groups and heavily infected with powermongers who sell their soul to be the next guy in charge.
>>538684396What?
>>538678824Yeah, I'm sure the country that keeps dropping hydrazine on schools is worried about the environmental effects of its space program.
>>538684396FUCK YOU MORON POLESTOP SPAMMING /pol/ WITH AI SLOP RESPONSESFUCK OFFFFFFFFFFF
>>538684493BTW, Starlink is a cope in total war context. Its massive LEO constellation excels in permissive environments but is highly vulnerable to Chinese ASAT, jamming and Kessler-like debris in conflict. Chinas MEO/GEO BeiDou + persistent GEO ISR (Yaogan/Ludi Tance) deliver reliable PNT, targeting and regional surveillance immune to easy LEO disruption. US forces depend on resilient high-orbit backups Starlink cant fully replace for precision strikes or C2 in a Taiwan fight. Chinas focused, hardened architecture better matches A2/AD needs. LEO swarms look impressive until contested which will happen soon, i hope xD
>>538677871Why don't YOU?
>>538678824>China prioritizes Kessler syndrome risks, deliberately positioning its vast satellite network in higher orbits (MEO/GEO) beyond the reach of most modern anti- satellite weapons.That's true but you still have bandwidth problem. As far as i know they don't have O3b Mpower like meo network constellation that can provide high bandwidth. Even with that they have 140-150ms latency. That's why china and russia already looking for their own leo constellation. Chines have already deployed usable number of them but russia still lags behind it.
>>538684706Yeah, you are essentialy right. For now, China accepts higher latency for strategic links while scaling LEO for tactical bandwidth. But we talk about scenario of the LEO destruction : the US of A would lose much more capability than China in such scenario, right now
>>538684936well its a good thing that we attained peace on earth due to globalization and dont have to worry about it.
>>538681373This.Chinks have only just managed to test their shitty prototype reusable rocket (they apparently caught it but i doubt it can be reused).Otherwise the costs are prohibitively expensive.
I would Kessler syndrome all of the known orbital heights and then deal with it later.
why dont they build the whole satellite out of the black box
>>538684591No way
>>538683863Not nearly enough debris for that
>>538685108Amerimutts and their Western-European vassals are now fueling the total war in Eastern Europe that is supposed to include a lot of countries in the region.
>>538685486eastern europe bros, its up to you to defeat the unholy western empire and release the american citizenry from our shackles. otherwise, as has been stated here time and again, we wont do shit. most americans cant find ukraine on a map, not even after all that.
>>538685656It is not like i pity Poles or Ukrainians, they are absolute subhumans, and ultra-imbeciles, but still, we are talking about facts here, not opinions xD
>>538685894And what's that?
>>538686276Twoja stara
>>538677736Low earth orbit satellites go up high but do not pierce the firmament.
>>538677692More ip theft, spying and espionage
>>538689299China stealing all the tech from them
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