>>538695828
You're brown.
Didn't read.

>>538695828
>more totalitarian slop
Fuck off.

>>538696354
>>538696551
this is a thread for americans you disgusting barbarians
stay the fuck out of our politics

>>538696807
You're also brown.
Didn't read either.

>>538697324
lick my ass nigger faggot

>>538696807

Hey did you know that there are enough laws on the books to charge you as a felon for some random thing you did?

Fun fact, you are a criminal, and so is everyone else in the USA.

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>>538695828
I see the DSA is trying a new track.

Nice try jew

>>538700202
meds

>>538700202
>DSA

Which part?

>stronger criminal penalties
>citizens first
>military spending brought home instead of foreign interventions
>right to repair
>public order
>anti-drug trafficking
>anti-corporate housing speculation
>anti-planned obsolescence
>pro-family
>homeschool support
>rebuilding domestic manufacturing

You can disagree with the platform, but calling everything you don't like "DSA" isn't an argument.

Point to one policy and explain why it's socialist.

>>538695828
I agree with being self sufficient, but I don't agree with being an anti-fun asshole. I'll keep my drugs and hookers on the farmstead, thanks.

The legal right to have fun, is as important to America as being a rugged individualist. Having fun and being happy is what makes us strong.

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>>538695828
>be me
>have chicken coop
>let them go broody and give me an endless supply of chickens (if i want, i typically eat the roosters because 2 is enough)
> they give me eggs
>automated system lets them out into a pen for foraging and locks them up at night, so food consumption is minimal
>have a garden
>literal shit from the coop is perfect fertilizer, my plants grow massive due to all the nitrates
>can excess vegetables and actually use them
>planted 10 fruit trees last year, planted 3 this year
>built a grape trellis this year, with two 2gal grape rootstock, previously had and still have 2 wild grape vines i transplanted onto my welded wire fence last year
>old as fuck black walnut tree, last year i only harvested what i could physically reach on the branches and after processing (drying, removing the flesh, washing), got about a gallon of walnuts
>have a few other walnut trees ~10 years old, likely from squirrels carrying nuts away
>have wild blackberries that i harvest, last year i got about a gallons worth, made wine with it
>pick random ass weeds for spices/seasonings/garnish, like common yellow woodsorrel and sumac
>garlic out the wazoo
>ive killed and ate groundhogs and raccoons, actually palatable if you run them through a meat grinder
>i also hunt rabbit and pheasant (but you have to pay for a special license for pheasant since its stocked game)
>UPS keeps my internet and home servers up for 3.5 hours on utility line failure

What am i missing besides solar and having something like a milking goat?

>inb4 guns
thats all covered

>>538704248
You call it anti-fun.

I call it pro-health.

A civilization can't survive if "fun" means addiction, intoxication, broken families, and industries that profit from human weakness.

Go hiking.
Build something.
Raise animals.
Play sports.
Make music.
Have a family.
Have friends.

A healthy society should have plenty of fun.
It just shouldn't depend on poison and exploitation.

>>538695828
>>Addicts receive treatment and structure
lost me here with your bleeding heart faggotry

>>538695828
This sounds nice
I've always wanted to grow my own food but I dont know how to do that
I wasn't fortunate enough to get taught any of that when I was younger
>inb4 google it
I know, but I'm at the early stage where I don't know what I don't know, so I have no way of telling if I'm learning correctly

>>538695828
Sounds gay.

>>538695828
>Food
Understand that food is not in short supply. The high cost comes entirely from financial trickery. Food prices and inflation are the Fed jews syphoning value from the real economy. Countries like Japan and China have low or falling food prices.
Fix neoliberalism = fix prices of food
>Housing
Exactly the same problem as above. Middle ages peasants could build houses with local materials by using shared manpower. No reason it can't be done today, but economics and asset values are the issue.
>Repair, planned obscolescence
Similar, but much harder issue. It's very easy to make durable goods, but it's hard to keep a growing economy going. You need to fix the economic model to fix this. This one is harder to fix, but no modern economy has worked with a non-growth model yet. The only notable example is the soviets, and they proved it doesn't work.

Bump for interest because fixing these issues is the only path forward even if it's difficult

>>538706442
>automated system lets them out into a pen for foraging and locks them up at night, so food consumption is minimal
you're making shit up. Grazing is not enough or loses you more chickens to predators. You need a chicken tractor setup and some time. Growing feed is not straightforward. The real way to feed chickens is mastery of composting and growing feed crops or you'll be gouged by feed. For most people it's not worth the effort or they underestimate the knowledge required.
>13 fruit trees
Birds and pests will have 70% of the fruit without controls. That said, i use tree nets and cover the ripening trees to control the birds. Pests can take out 90% of things like walnuts depending on your location though. Walnuts cannot be grown here without pest control.
>blackberries
thorns and brambles. Hope you have disposable women and children to spend afternoons gathering them
>goat
you need multiple and keeping them is an art. Goats are escape artists and attack trees and shrubs. Milk goats develop mastitits so you MUST milk daily including dawn. I got a ram + doe (sheep) and never looked back. However you still need to milk daily for months, most people can't do it. The way i do it is letting the lambs have the milk and only milk occasionally. Older lambs are going to be meat.

The take-away here is that homesteading isn't easy unless you figure a lot of shit out or have someone to show you the ropes. Just veggie preservation is a whole discipline (curing)
Freezing everything will quickly start generating trash you don't consume and burning a hole in your energy bills otherwise.

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>>538711345
>you're making shit up. Grazing is not enough or loses you more chickens to predators.
I'm not, i use EMT conduit poles to prop anti-hawk netting up. I specifically said "pen" meaning that there is some other form of enclosure. They are protected from ground predators
>Birds and pests will have 70% of the fruit without control
as i stated they were planted 2 years ago so i will resolve that issue when it comes up
>Walnuts cannot be grown here without pest control
I have more walnuts than you can imagine, as i stated i only harvested off branches what i could reach and it was a lot
>>blackberries
>thorns and brambles
ive never had an issue i just go out there with a bowl and pick them
>>goat
>you need multiple
im not even reading your reply because i dont actually want a goat, i dont drink milk i'd only use cheese desu
>homesteading isn't easy
I'm not a "homesteader", but i know what i can make myself, or repair myself; and i know when i need to outsource labor

>>538708514
Did you miss the part where major drug traffickers face death or lifelong public labor after conviction?

The platform separates addicts from profiteers.

>Addicts get forced treatment, structure, sobriety, and work
>Dealers and cartel operators get permanent removal
>Major traffickers face death or lifelong labor after due process
>No open-air drug markets
>No revolving door
>No sympathy for people poisoning the population for profit

Treatment for users is not bleeding-heart policy.
It’s how you destroy demand while destroying the supply network.

>>538710642
I actually agree with most of this.

Food isn't physically scarce.
Housing isn't physically scarce.
The problem is artificial scarcity.

Where I differ is that I don't think it's only monetary policy.

It's also:

>food dumped because it isn't profitable
>homes kept vacant because scarcity raises values
>planned obsolescence
>repair monopolies
>speculation
>corporate consolidation
>industries profiting from addiction and sickness

I don't care whether you call it neoliberalism, financialization, or artificial scarcity.

The result is the same:
America already produces enough to live well, but incentives reward waste instead of maintenance.

On growth, I think we've confused GDP with prosperity.

A mechanic rebuilding an engine, a carpenter restoring a house, or a farmer improving soil is creating real wealth even if fewer brand-new products are sold.

I'd rather optimize for durability, health, and maintenance than endless consumption.

>>538712422
> we've confused GDP with prosperity.
It's more of a case of no one really caring until things were tolerable or fake debt-generated growth kept inflating cheap assets for boomers.
Suddenly now shit matters and no one has a clear clue why things are bad.
But the people in charge, bankers, investors and fund managers. Heck, even daytraders generally know what's up. It's all been a ponzi for decades while media and schooling kept teaching fairy tales to the worker class.
You won't change shit until you really blow the people on top out of their infinite profit machines.

>>538713237
I think we're mostly diagnosing the same disease.

The economy stopped existing to serve the people.
The people now exist to serve the economy.

GDP goes up while:
>families can't afford homes
>food gets dumped
>people eat processed garbage
>products become disposable
>towns decay
>everyone works more for less

That's not prosperity.

The difference is I don't just want to replace the people at the top.

I want to change the incentives so profit comes from maintaining the nation instead of extracting from it.

If the fastest way to make money is making people poorer, sicker, weaker, and more indebted, then the system itself is broken.

>>538695828
I like these ethics.
To facilitate reuse, do they plan to nationalize the thrift stores?
There are all sorts of capitalist patterns that promote waste, how are they to be addressed?

>>538714013
Not necessarily.

The goal isn't to nationalize everything.

The goal is to make maintenance, reuse, and durability more profitable than waste.

Capitalist incentives that promote waste would be reversed:

>planned obsolescence banned
>right to repair guaranteed
>manufacturers required to provide parts/manuals/software
>tax incentives shifted toward repair and remanufacturing
>usable goods diverted from landfills into reuse markets
>thrift stores, salvage yards, repair shops, tool libraries, and reuse co-ops expanded
>public repair depots where private markets fail
>manufacturers responsible for recycling and end-of-life recovery
>vacancy speculation discouraged
>single-use and disposable products discouraged where durable alternatives exist
>companies rewarded for products that last decades, not years
>profit from maintenance instead of replacement

Markets aren't evil.

Artificial scarcity is.

If the fastest way to make money is making products disposable, wasting food, keeping homes empty, addicting consumers, and extracting endless debt, then the incentives are backwards.

The economy should reward maintaining the nation, not consuming it.

>>538706442
Thin the blackberry canes because they only fruit once. You will get a LOT more blackberries if you do that once a year. Just make sure to mark the new canes as those will bear fruit next year. Also, set up an automatic watering line for the garden and trees so you don't have to bother even if it doesn't rain.

>>538710642
Food is a bit more complicated than that due to counterfeit and poisoned food supplies. The 'real' food supply isn't actually in good shape, it's been targeted so heavily since the early 20th century. Most of it is now toxic trash. Technically food prices and other living expenses should be plummeting thanks to depopulation but instead the opposite is happening. Including housing btw.

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>>538695828
>America
fuck off unless you’re willing to be explicity pro white

>>538708238
I understand where you are coming from, but life is nuanced, and people can enjoy those things without falling into the depths of hell. If it weren't, we would be like the islamists, thinking we would go hell for having sex with our wives or getting drunk. Sometimes, virtue is best kept in moderation, like all things.

Furthermore, I think it would be a greater sin to force those types of restrictions on people over the threat of violence, for that very reason. I feel like the solution to this is to have a well educated populace that knows what is good and what is bad on a deeper level.

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>>538696807

>>538708238
At the end of the day, I feel like you just have an exeedingly effiecient one-track mind, but not an open mind, because someone with an open mind wouldn't want to kill his fellow man for being wild and free.

>>538708238
Look man, if you can't see the essential value to using drugs to expand your consciouness, or having sex to connect with the people you love, then I don't want to debate you anymore, even if I agree with 90 percent of what you said.


If there is any chance that you want to kill me or imprison me for dropping acid and having sex with my girlfriend we're gonna be having problems.


Sic Semper Tyrannis.

>>538702084
If you have an abberant connection to God, you will eventually become a socialist, because you are conflating freedom with control, a central tenant of such an affliction.

>>538714825
>The economy should reward maintaining the nation, not consuming it.
I agree anon, but you need to convince an economist how you can achieve that. Profit is taken from transactions, so maximizing transactions is the crux. For example, if you want good fridges that last you need someone to R&D such fridges, and prototype test fridges to be created and then quickly replace them with new ones when surpassed. But if your workers don't need any goods because all the ones they have work already, why would they come to work and build your fridges? Things wouldn't progress. You'd need a communism where you force people to work and innovate, or an alternative to the profit motive, which is really hard to think about.
Cheap disposable goods have some advantages, like constant innovation to make them cheaper, more efficient, more performing (but less durable)

>>538718750
I think if we can talk enough sense into him he can really be used for good; He's on to something, like a diamond in the rough...

>>538718639
Doing drugs is admitting you don't have values and beliefs capable of exalting you without substance abuse. It's weakness in every form. I can imagine everything in this universe without any substance, and enjoy my day without substance. I can only see you as someone failing the very basic act of living.

I also doubt he wants you to not have sex with your wife. Hookers though? That's the same. If you cannot marry a beautiful woman you love and feel loyalty and dedication to her enough to be fully satisfied with sex with her, you're not even doing sex at the peak of human capacity.

That said, people always fall through the cracks, it's normal. It's weird when you try to make your fallen, failed state of being as an argument though. It would be smarter to argue in favor of concubinage than hookers. You want women giving birth to competent men's children, not whoring.

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>>538695828
I can actually sense your jewishness through the language you used.

OP I get where you're coming from but you need to realize that alcohol is here to stay and "protect the kids" is code word for take more rights away from people

>>538708238
>Go hiking.
>Build something.
>Raise animals.
>Play sports.
>Make music.
>Have a family.
>Have friends.
That requires tons of money and time I dont have, and having a family is russian roulette with divorce laws

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>>538695828
>Motherhood protected, fatherhood enforced
>Assimilation required
Controlled op civnat hole worship.

Heres a much simpler solution to all evils in the world which you, of course, never mentioned:

TKD

>>538719030
I don't agree with you at all, in fact my values are superior to yours because I have what it takes to expand my mind, and to leave me fellow man in his own decisions without murdering them.

As for hookers? They're the world's oldest profession, and they're not going away any time soon. Just ask Germany. It's time to make peace with things and situations that make us feel good, not murder them.

You act like you're all better than me for being a good little boy and doing what you're told, but I can guarantee you I haved lived more than you ever will, and I will defend to the death that right and to the rights of my brothers and sisters.

With that being said, as a moderate and temperate people, we will never accept to sexual enslavement of others, and will also fight that to the death. So much for your concubines; Because I would personally pay them to kick your rapist ass.

Sic Semper Tyrannis.

>>538695828
>Public sobriety enforced
>Alcohol phased out
DID YOU NOT LEARN FROM THE FIRST ROUND OF MISTAKES KIKE FEMINISTS MADE WHEN WOMEN GOT THE RIGHT TO VOTE?

They banned alcohol and we got the mafia & organized crime as a result. And that was back before Jews had ruined fucking everything, alcohol was the FIRST thing kikes went to ruin. Now people need drugs as copium for the absolute shit show WOMEN made society into. Listening to the same fucking group that ruined society is a recipe for disaster. Humans and alcohol are best buddies for life, it's the whole fucking reason society is even worth having in the first place. Leave fermented products out of your little retarded manifesto.

And you might as well drop your pro-2A mask, you gun control freak. Because we know now "criminals" are anyone Jews point fingers at (see red flag laws). You should NEVER EVER FOR ANY REASON lose your civil rights. Period. No matter what a Jew says.

Good luck reversing all the Zionism in America though. You are gonna be put on a list and ended eventually.

>>538695828
Aka Christian social structure.

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>>538719030
You call it falling thru the cracks?
I call it being an independent thinker and living outside the system, which is something you might be too cowardly to do.

But it's ok, because out here, the real men will.

>>538702084
>right to repair
>no new cars
>empty homes tax
>etc
YOURE A COMMIE JEALOUS OF LANDLORDS AND BILLIONAIRES WHO WORKED HARD TO GET WHERE THEY ARE YOU COMMIE

>>538719030
Me living my life the way I want to is not a threat to way you want to. And if you're just seeing me as some ant to crush, well, this one is poisonous as fuck and now the whole colony is gonna come and bite your ass.

>>538719674
We will gas you memeflag nigger

>>538719796
Get Nuremburg'd, cucky.

>>538719867
Ill bet my life me and my neighbors can shoot straighter than yours

Ill see you on the field

>>538719908
LOL. We ain't gonna need any guns where we came from, I'll tell you that much.

You ain't gonna see shit, bitch.

>>538719987
We can end you with bio weapons that kill faggots also

Whichever is fine by me

>>538720062
Sic Semper Tyrannis, dipshit!

>>538720149
If youre so tough post address and show your real flag

Otherwise youre just a weak lil niglet w ZERO balls like all the rest

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>>538720271
Mama told me not to meet strangers from the internet :)

>>538720385
Yet you fuck random boys...

Youre too fuckin spineless to even show your face here but youre gonna win a civil war?

Well youre good for unintentional comedy if nothing else

>>538695828
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks

>>538695828
>phase out alcohol
What does that even mean? Fruit turns to alcohol when it rots. The war on drugs was started by Jews to extract tax revenue for housing "criminals."

>>538695828
You will be stabbed w high speed lead

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vdvGyWjOObM&pp=ygUXRnV0dXJhbWEgY29tcmFkZSBiZW5kZXI%3D

>>538720610
Prohibition worked great

We really need to gas every last lefty nigger lover

>>538720730
>Prohibition worked great
Yeah with the US government poisoning citizens on purpose dumb fuck.
>nigger lover
Bible says god gave us all plants, kike jailer lover.

>>538720825
Bibles, the original fake n gay

Christ kikes go in the ovens right after the leftists

>>538695828
Great. Get to it boys.

>>538721187
Silence canuckistan

>>538720899
>christkike
Synogauge of satan

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>>538695828
>>538696354
>>538696551
>>538696807
>>538697324
you know whats complete bullshit we should get rid of?

ZONING LAWS

Holy fuck they are complete nonsense and cause the housing crisis and cause housing to be shit quality

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>>538720899
Yeah? Nazis get the boot.

>>538721280
God doesnt exist you tremendous fucktard

>>538721306
Youll be gassed

I will laugh

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>>538720899
Race traitors go before the enemys

Just Flood it All

Yellowstone

>>538717778
Meme flag status: confirmed
Typical kike bullshit: confirmed
>Every single time

>>538721366
Yes christ kikes are all nigger lovers

Anti abortion=pro nigger

Glad we agree

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>>538721306
I don't think so, punk.

>>538721366
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you should have more posts if you're clinging to the catalog this long. we'll have to spray for pajeets here

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posting retard bugspray to make all retards leave

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>HOW CAN I HELP REDEEM /POL/
1. Catalog: Sort By: Creation date
2. [Bottom]
3. low post counts (low interest, likely bump abuse)
4. pajeet shill topics (how many do you know?)
5. spray for pajeets

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there was never any good reason to share a country, a language, or the internet with pajeets

>>538721539
Not your personal army newfag nig nog

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>WHAT IS A PAJEET?
the best way to define pajeet is
>descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry.

political distinctions on maps or signified by flags are false and irrelevant. everything south of the himalayas that isn't gooky-chinky is pajeet. pakistan, india, bangladesh, sri lanka are all pajeet territory. enough of nepal and bhutan are jeeted that they may as well qualify too.

all of these pajeets could stay where they belong and call themselves what they like, and nobody would disagree because nobody cares. however, because they profusely shit up the internet, and they mass migrate to shit up everyone else's homelands, they're all pajeets now. all counted together as the same thing, on the same visiting team as far as the human world is concerned.

hindu, muslim, sikh, atheist, etc; male, female, gendersexual, old, young, etc; deformed, odorless, fair & lovely, dark & deep, etc... forget all of it. none of that diversity matters once they exit designated land to race with the globalist rats. now their entire overcrowded neighborhood at the bottom of asia is known as one source of one type of trespasser: the pajeet.

>ONLY A PAJEET DISPUTES THIS DEFINITION

>>538720610
Fruit fermenting naturally is not the same thing as maintaining a mass commercial alcohol industry.

“Phase out alcohol” means:

>ban advertising and sponsorships
>stop alcohol sales to minors
>reduce retail licenses over time
>convert breweries, distilleries, and bars into other businesses
>offer medical detox and recovery for dependent drinkers
>keep narrow industrial, medicinal, cooking, and religious exceptions
>target organized black-market production, not random rotting fruit

The point is to phase out commercial intoxication as a normal business model.

And blaming Jews is lazy. The drug war came from a mix of racial politics, prohibition politics, bureaucratic incentives, and law-enforcement expansion. Judge the policy by what it does.

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the majority of pajeets on /pol/ try to hide the fact that they're pajeets. in addition to "leaving that part out" they will proactively, persistently misrepresent their true form. pajeets are all about assuming other people's roles, from today's outsourcing and replacement migration all the way back to thuggee bandits lying to travelers about who they were. pajeets are devoid of their own identity, making them the ideal globalized goyim. they don't want a home where they belong. all that means to them is "compete in squalor." much better to go somewhere nicer, built by other people, and do their jobs for less pay and live slum-barracks life in their suburbs. pajeets don't want to be home. they also don't want to be pajeets. jews know exactly how to play their insecurities and dopey ambitions like the innocent rube fresh off the bus from the cornfield. this is their new golem to replace the ones that don't love them anymore

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did you know there's already another low-interest prepper thread going? >>538695099
so... fuck you i guess huh

>>538695828
I support some these things I don’t like the sobriety shit that is gay. Ultimately I’m gonna need universal healthcare to support your larp party

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when in doubt, try this
CLINICAL TEST QUESTION
>are you descended from south asian subcontinental ancestry?
any answer longer than "no" means yes
not answering means yes
lying means yes

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pajeets have been transplanted all over the world in unbelievable numbers. the plan is to homogenize all countries into a single mass of interchangeable, predictable, suggestible consumers whose only loyalty is to the elite and their system of puppetry. motivated not by heritage or ideology (despite all portrayals to the contrary), but by paltry shares of wealth and status in a materialistic world order in which everyone belongs equally everywhere and nowhere

>>538721920
Gay commie sobriety shit will get fags like OP shot

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>≈ state mandated [entitlement] ≈

EVERY PAJEET SAYS≈≈≈
>$45T stolen by britishers ≈ abrahamic/desert/yahweh ≈ according to [AI chat product] ≈ actually jews are cool ≈ age of consent ≈ AI singularity/waifu ≈ aryan ≈ booba/sexo/would ≈ built for bbc ≈ can't breed ≈ capitalism ≈ caucasian ≈ ceo doctor technology ≈ chang seething ≈ cherry picking ≈ chess/cricket/spelling ≈ christcucks ≈ cletus ≈ consent is a western concept ≈ daily reminder ≈ divorce ≈ eglin afb is behind it ≈ elon/vance/vivek ≈ epstein files more important ≈ eugenics/dysgenic ≈ faustian spirit ≈ feminism/foids/simping ≈ fentanyl ≈ forced/inorganic/psyop ≈ full sapport for israel ≈ good morning ≈ haplogroup ≈ [height/penis/testosterone concern] ≈ household income ≈ human capital ≈ i can pass for xyz ≈ [incel noises] ≈ indo-[whatever] ≈ [iq insecurity] ≈ jesus was jewish ≈ jidf is behind it ≈ latinx ≈ left/right/voting matters ≈ lil bro ≈ maxxing/mindset/grind ≈ meritocracy ≈ mom/sister on onlyfans ≈ कुछ भी महत्वपूर्ण नहीं है ≈ nordic ≈ npnw ≈ obsessed/rent-free ≈ october 7 ≈ [other ethnicity] is guilty of [pajeet thing] ≈ outcompete ≈ paganism is your real heritage ≈ rape ≈ [redditor noises] ≈ [report snitch squeal] ≈ reverse colonization/conquest ≈ saar ≈ send bobs/vagene ≈ slave morality ≈ slop ≈ state mandated [entitlement] ≈ stem skill issue ≈ stolen land ≈ stop [cars/dogs/guns/meat/etc] ≈ thanks for the rupees jidf ≈ that's a paki ≈ timmy ≈ trannies ≈ trvth nvke ≈ unc/aunty ≈ voted for it ≈ we have nukes ≈ where should i move ≈ whiter than you ≈ why are white women like white people like this ≈ wiggers/wignats ≈ without a single shot ≈ yamnaya ≈ you need us ≈ you will be extinct ≈ you won't do shit ≈ you worship xyz ≈ zindabad ≈ zutt

>>538700202
>tax pollution
New mask,same kike

>>538721920
Fair enough. Universal healthcare is already compatible with the platform.

>basic healthcare guaranteed
>emergency medicine, surgery, diagnostics, and necessary treatment covered
>public clinics and hospitals
>less insurance bureaucracy and medical debt
>strong focus on prevention, nutrition, addiction treatment, and restoring health

The sobriety plank is about dismantling industries that profit from addiction, not making everyone miserable.

You can disagree with that part and still support the rest.

>>538702084
Wanting to control what others can and cannot do is socialism you tremendously retarded gorilla nigger

>>538722032
I also don’t like the think of the children le heckin internet bad or enforced fatherhood either. No healthcare no drugs no fun allowed you just know a women started this stupid shit

>>538722240
The anti alcohol part woll get you shot

Good luck in civil war 2 retard

>>538722240
No basic healthcare won’t cut it for me I’m real sick fuck off dumb bitch

>>538722264
A government exists to protect the long-term health, strength, and survival of its people.

If it simply watches corporations addict, poison, bankrupt, and weaken the population, then it has no purpose.

A society that cannot keep its people healthy enough to work, raise families, and maintain itself eventually ceases to exist.

That isn’t socialism.
That’s basic statecraft.

>hey anon I know your eyes brain and spine are dissolving but guess what here is some basic bullshit that won’t help you nor will it allow you to smoke a joint every now and then to cope with the crushing sadness and constant pain
Nah

>>538695828
>Vacancy taxes on empty homes
Implying that the wealthy can hoard real estate and charge rent, meaning parasitical rentier economy, either you abolish that which made the west fall or you go on the same path.

Housing is for leaving, meaning that Real Estate should be communal ( does not mean everyone should live in a barrack quarters ), but rather something like the amish, the comunity builds homes, so its mandatory that the entire community learns to build homes.

>>538722302
Threatening civil war over access to booze proves the point better than I ever could.

If alcohol is so central to your life that losing it means shooting people, then it isn’t “just a drink.”

It’s dependency.

The policy would be phased, with treatment, medical detox, and replacement social spaces.

No one is coming for random people overnight.
The goal is to end an industry that profits from addiction and social collapse.
>>538722326
Then “basic healthcare” was the wrong phrase.

If you’re seriously ill, the system should cover full necessary treatment, specialists, diagnostics, surgery, medication when genuinely needed, long-term care, rehabilitation, and home support without bankrupting you.

Treatment would come through state hospitals and public clinics, with military medical personnel, medics, nurses, logistics staff, and support crews brought home from overseas deployments and reassigned to serving citizens here.

The platform also targets things that can worsen chronic illness: ultra-processed food, pollution, medical debt, rushed appointments, and reckless overprescribing.

I’m not going to pretend I know what caused your illness from one post.

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the pajeet carpet spam strategy poses redundant shills on every side of every controversy [or time-wasting subject] to spew abhorrent bait posts just to collect (You) rupees. they don't even have real opinions about anything, just cheap provocations or chatbots to disguise their illiteracy. there is no consideration whatsoever for other people's experience of an increasingly jeeted environment. no other group is more directly and extensively responsible for polluting the internet into dead status

>>538722497
I’ll stick with DSA thanks anyway

>>538722361
You will be shot

Good luck

>>538722497
We already almost had a civil war when prohibition failed you tremendously retarded niglet

>>538722469
I mostly agree.

A vacancy tax is only the first step. It stops obvious hoarding, but it doesn’t solve a rentier economy by itself.

>housing is for living, not passive extraction
>corporate ownership of homes restricted
>large-scale landlord hoarding broken up
>empty properties forced back into use
>community land trusts expanded
>public and cooperative housing built
>families still allowed to own their own homes
>local building corps train citizens in construction and repair
>communities help build homes instead of feeding permanent rent slavery

I don’t want everyone in state barracks.

I want widespread household ownership, cooperative land, community construction, and enough public housing that no landlord class can hold shelter hostage.

The Amish-style point is good too:
a capable population should know how to frame walls, roof, plumb, wire, repair, and maintain homes.

Housing should be treated as civic infrastructure, not a casino chip.

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because pajeets arrive everywhere as generic cultural dilutant in the age of globalization, when all national identities are eroding and weakening, they have dubious claim to play any part in your country's unique character. they should never feel entitled to the status of inherent citizens whose roots are in the history of the land for more generations than the jewish agenda has run rampant

>>538722699
No one cares what you want

Will civil war 2.0 hurry the fuck up already, the sooner we eliminate you useless faggots the better

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>>538699794
Wow anon
That will stop the extermination camps in Mexico & black sites & cartels

You saved society with that realization

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unfortunately i am so sorry at this time but it will not be possible for pajeets to claim american heritage or belonging in america. there was never any role for pajeets in our national history until it was jewjacked into globalism. pajeets can be british or gypsy or they can go home thank you so much

>>538722933
Hey nigger faggot

You sperging out about poo niggers is just as bad as poo niggers themselves posting

>>538722659
Prohibition was badly designed and badly enforced, but America did not “almost have a civil war” over it.

It created black markets, corruption, and organized crime because it was imposed abruptly with weak enforcement and no serious treatment or transition plan.

That’s exactly why this proposal is phased:

>ban advertising first
>reduce licenses over time
>offer medical detox and treatment
>convert breweries, bars, and wineries into other businesses
>build sober social spaces
>target organized trafficking after the transition

“Last attempt failed” is an argument for fixing the implementation, not pretending alcohol’s social damage doesn’t exist.

>>538723292
You WILL be shot

I will laugh then stack your corpse up with the rest of the rat snacks

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nobody chooses to talk to pajeets if there's another choice. especially not pajeets borrowing other people's flags, imitating other people's languages, attempting to represent countries or cultures not their own

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who invited you to squat on /pol/ with yet another fucken general? that's pajeet behavior. you're artificially clinging for catalog time. pajeet behavior. get redeemed, beeeitch

>>538723292
Hey man I would like you to respond to some of my earlier posts; I intended to debate you upon them because I feel like you have a good head on shoulders.
Pleaze ignore shenanigans with retards just philsophically engage.
You can highlight all my posts in this thread by clicking/tapping on my uniqye poster ID

>>538722933
Dude, no one hates indian people, stfu!

>>538723409
Calm down man... don't get like that with him... he's not fucked up like the rest.


We just gotta talk to him.

>>538722699

>Housing should be treated as civic infrastructure, not a casino chip.


I couldn't agree more, honestly. It's the number one thing holding our country back.

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>>538695828
One simple solution?
BAN USURY ON PENALTY OF DEATH.

Funny 'money' is the ROOT of this evil.
>Capitalism
>Communism (International Socialism)
>Fascism (National Socialism)
>Corporatism (false persons with real rights and limited liability for the perpetrators)
>All other -isms
ARE JEWISH INVENTIONS THAT REQUIRE CENTRAL BANKING>

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>>538695828
>>Food waste banned
>>Public groceries recover surplus food
>>Real food prioritized
>>Junk food banned/restricted
>>New car production restricted until existing cars are repaired/reused
>>Right to repair guaranteed
>>Planned obsolescence punished
That's fucking...short sighted and a Childs fantasy of how these things are produced. You sound like a nigger who thinks these things spawn from the grocery store or Dealership, Stopped reading.
Pro Tip: Look up Victory Gardens and Milpas, before posting ... I'll try not to be as mean because you're trying. The real move is for Internet would be---Nope, Pay me. And we don't want them to see it coming. Anyone who's had a garden or Chickens will just lol at with that shit, And no we're not sending any extra food to the 3rd world. Deal breaker and you should have your Internet restricted. Full Range Ban on Shit Counties

>>538695828
>Food waste banned
US already has one of the lowest food wastes due to extensive refrigeration
>Public groceries recover surplus food
communist bullshit which causes food shortages
>New car production restricted until existing cars are repaired/reused
artificial shortages will cause car prices to soar
>Vacancy taxes on empty homes
so the longer a house is vacant the more expensive it will be to buy? or do you just seize the property at some point, either way causes home prices to go up.
>UBI
LOL no, my money stay with me not taxed to pay someone else
>Tax waste, speculation, vacancy, pollution, luxury, addiction, finance extraction
More taxes, less money for the worker and more redistribution to the rich, thanks but no
>Alcohol phased out
Because that worked out so well the last time it was tried.
>Motherhood protected, fatherhood enforced
I'm all for promoting families but they way you worded it makes it sound like more alimony payments from the father to the single mother.

>>538724146
>BAN USURY
Means no loans. Good luck with that. Tell me how no lending in a modern society works out for you.
>>538723292
Even penalty of death does not stop addiction or drug dealing just look at SE Asia which that is the penalty. There are far worse things than alcohol. Fentanyl, Meth, Cannabis, just to name a few. Perhaps start with those?

>>538725281
Some fair criticisms, but I think you're misunderstanding a few planks.

>Food waste
The issue isn't national food production. It's edible food being discarded while people still need it. The goal is recovery before disposal.

>Public groceries
Not replacing every grocery store. A public option focused on surplus, local produce, and recovered food to reduce waste and stabilize prices.

>Cars
The transition would be gradual. The idea is shifting industry toward repair, remanufacturing, and durable vehicles instead of disposable consumption.

>Vacancy taxes
The goal isn't higher prices. It's to discourage homes sitting empty purely for speculation while people need housing.

>UBI
The proposal funds a basic survival dividend by reducing waste, speculation, and other revenue sources, not simply raising income taxes on workers.

>Taxes
The intent is to tax activities viewed as socially costly (pollution, vacancy, speculation) rather than productive work.

>Alcohol
The argument is that alcohol creates large public health and social costs. Whether prohibition is the right answer is a separate debate, but the proposal is a phased transition rather than an overnight ban.

>Families
The goal isn't more alimony. It's encouraging parents to remain responsible for their children and reforming family policy to promote stable households.

>>538725536
>>538725536
I agree fentanyl and meth should be hit first and hardest.

The policy separates addicts from the people who profit from poisoning them.

>Addicts get compulsory treatment, detox, structure, and rehabilitation
>Small users are not treated like cartel bosses
>Major dealers and traffickers face permanent removal from society
>Cartel organizers and large-scale fentanyl traffickers face lifelong public labor
>Death penalty available for the worst trafficking cases after full due process

Severe penalties alone will not erase addiction, which is why treatment and prevention are part of the same system.

Alcohol is included because legality does not make it harmless, but fentanyl, meth, and organized trafficking would be the immediate priority.

>>538724728
You stopped reading because you saw “public groceries” and your brain filled in the rest with some fantasy argument nobody made.

>Victory gardens
>milpas
>backyard chickens
>local food production
>repair culture
>domestic self-sufficiency

Those are already compatible with the platform.

“Public groceries recover surplus food” does not mean food magically spawns at a store. It means edible surplus gets redirected instead of trashed.

“Restrict new car production” does not mean vehicles appear from dealerships. It means factories shift toward parts, rebuilding, remanufacturing, buses, work vehicles, and durable models instead of endless disposable churn.

And nobody said anything about shipping surplus to the Third World.

You invented half the argument, got angry at it, then congratulated yourself for understanding gardens.

Grow the milpa. Raise the chickens. Repair the truck. That is literally the point.

>>538726043

Most of what you propose has been tried before. And it always ends the same way. ALWAYS. Do a basic internet search on each of your ideas and see how it has failed. You have good intentions but
>law of unintended consequences
is a very real problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequences

>Food waste
People don't throw away edible food. If you figure out a way to waste less then go for it, but US is already very efficient. Most of the studies edible food waste count things like cherry pits and mango skins as edible. They really aren't and are actually toxic to eat.

>Public groceries
It's been tried, NYC has these and regular grocery store can't compete on price so leave or go out of business. All this does is cause shortages

>Less car manufacturing
Doesn't matter how you name it this causes shortages which increase the price of cars.

>Vacancy taxes
again doesn't matter your goal. When you have a tax accumulation on vacant property it causes the price to go up and shortages. Just look at Chicago, they have tax liens on most of vacant property and it does not get sold. No one want to pay the tax liens.

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>>538724146
the problem is why would a commune ( on the strict sense, no socialist or communist lunacy ) would have the need for currency.

>>538726546
“Everything has been tried and always fails” is too broad. These are separate policies with separate failure modes, so they have to be judged one by one.

>Food waste
The claim that edible food is not thrown away is obviously too absolute. Waste happens at farms, distributors, grocery stores, restaurants, and households. The real question is how much is safely and economically recoverable, not whether cherry pits count as lunch.

>Public groceries
A public surplus outlet or store in an underserved area is not the same thing as replacing the entire grocery market. The model can be limited to recovered food, staple goods, emergencies, and places private stores do not serve well.

>Cars
Yes, an abrupt production cap would raise prices. That is why repair capacity, parts production, remanufacturing, and exemptions for essential vehicles have to expand first. The transition has to be gradual.

>Vacancy taxes
Chicago tax liens are not the same thing as a carefully designed vacancy tax. The policy would need exemptions, clear timelines, and a path to lease, sell, or transfer the property before debt becomes unpayable.

The law of unintended consequences is real. That is an argument for pilots, phased implementation, audits, and automatic review, not for leaving obvious waste and artificial scarcity untouched forever.

>>538696551
this
more government control isn't going to make it better