I ask sincerely. Over the past year my worldview has shifted rather dramatically, and my concern with the future of the American people, our families, and our posterity, has shifted in meaning.For some context: I happen to be in an unusual social position where quite a few women around me imitate my behavior. Because of that, I've started asking myself what I ought to be encouraging in them. What does a genuinely good woman look like? Sure, I have my ideas, but I want to hear it from men.How would you advise each of these women?> A sixteen-year-old girl with her whole life before her> An eighteen-year-old girl looking to marry eventually> A twenty-five-year-old virgin college-graduate seeking career> A twenty-five-year-old woman who spent years selling herself or otherwise living promiscuously, but sincerely wants to reform> A thirty-year-old wife> A thirty-year-old single mother whose own mistakes ended her relationship> A thirty-year-old single mother who fled an abusive husband> A sixty-year-old woman with no children> A sixty-year-old grandmother
I refuse to believe that every woman who has been foolish, desperate, homeless, manipulated, or impressionable is beyond redemption. Some made terrible choices, yes, though many others were preyed upon. Most are probably some mixture of both.If we truly want a healthier society, then there must be an honorable place for repentance. Otherwise, what are these women supposed to become? They will make things worse if they are left to rot... and I won't even entertain this idea of killing these poor creatures. So, what should a reformed woman devote herself to? How can she restore dignity to her life?
>>538703979>A sixteen-year-old girl with her whole life before herget pregnant asap!>An eighteen-year-old girl looking to marry eventuallyget pregnant asap! you are running out of time!>A twenty-five-year-old virgin college-graduate seeking careerget pregnant asap! you are running out of time!>A twenty-five-year-old woman who spent years selling herself or otherwise living promiscuously, but sincerely wants to reformshould kill herself, she has a whore past>A thirty-year-old wifecook food for your husband and empty his balls.> A thirty-year-old single mother whose own mistakes ended her relationshipshould kill herself> A thirty-year-old single mother who fled an abusive husbandshould kill herself> A sixty-year-old woman with no childrenshould kill herself> A sixty-year-old grandmothershould kill herself
>>538704118>Otherwise, what are these women supposed to become?food for worms.
>>538704118>How can she restore dignity to her life?she cant, once its gone its gone. you cant unstretch your anus or unbirth the mutt sub human
Another question.I often hear men say that women ought to "just submit".... I don't entirely disagree, but I think genuine submission, the full-hearted submission needed, cannot simply be demanded.When I meet certain men, I find myself naturally trusting their judgment, wanting to do as they say. It isn't forced. It just happens. With other men, they can bark commands all day, but trust and respect cannot be ordered in such a way.Shouldn't a good man cultivate the sort of character that naturally inspires a woman to follow him? If women consistently hesitate to trust men, ought we ask why?It seems to me that both sexes have become less trustworthy toward one another. Women are told not to need men. Men are told not to need women. Families disappear. Communities disappear. Trust disappears.
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>>538704164I concur with the top half of this list but>A twenty-five-year-old woman who spent years selling herself or otherwise living promiscuously, but sincerely wants to reformshould kill herself, she has a whore past>A thirty-year-old wifecook food for your husband and empty his balls.> A thirty-year-old single mother whose own mistakes ended her devote yourself to reform with no expectation anyone will love youshould kill herself> A thirty-year-old single mother who fled an abusive husbanddevote yourself to your children with no expectation anyone will love you> A sixty-year-old woman with no childrenshould kill herself or at least not burden society with healthcare bills or purchasing housing for herself to take from the young. Prerably give away her wealth to a young couple before soduko> A sixty-year-old grandmotherraise your grandchildren to want children, especially the girls to be submissive
>>538704164Nah grandmothers are based
Every school shooting, every broken home, every low-trust neighborhood makes motherhood feel more frightening than it ought to be. The less secure society becomes, the more impossible our expectations of individual men become, because they must somehow replace what the "Russian-doll" of healthy families, churches, and communities once provided together.I also think women are quietly punished for being feminine. If I admit that I want guidance, protection, or simply to rest in someone else's strength, I'm treated as childish. Instead I've spent years as a pseudo-male just to function. I've taught grown men how to change tires, encouraged them to exercise, solved practical problems for them.... and once I begin mothering a man, I cannot see him as someone I could ever truly follow... shouldn't he be following me? I don't think masculinity and femininity should be rivals. I think a woman's instinct to preserve, comfort, and nurture ought to temper a man's instinct toward force. Likewise, a man's courage, discipline, and willingness to bear responsibility ought to steady a woman's softer nature. Neither is complete without the other.
>>538704345>the full-hearted submission needed, cannot simply be demanded.yes it can and must. woman must do what men tell them to do.
>>538704345>shouldn't a good man cultivatethat's not for you to decide. You follow men. Choosing which men to follow is you insisting to lead. Choosing what traits men ought have is you choosing to lead.Women hesitate to trust men because they are conceited and insubordinate or they had a bad father and thus don't have a man to follow after toward a husband. A good woman follows the commands of her father and that should lead to a good man as a husband in most cases. A man only becomes disordered if raised by 1. a woman 2. another man that was raised by a woman
>>538703979Jesus Christ, hmmm.I’ll tell you what though, we aren’t going back to a time when women had no rights, couldn’t vote, couldn’t own or have jobs. Too many men are worthless shitheads and turds and imo deserve to get beaten down into being a good person since it’s clear it doesn’t come naturally to many. >men submit to your wives and wives submit to your husbands>don’t forget the mutual respect and loveYes, good that Paul attempted to breach this difficult subject given that everyone else basically chose to dance around it. Albeit most likely being a homosexual I don’t know how accurate he could be here but that’s where the Holy Spirit and God come in.
>>538703979> A sixty-year-old woman with no children and millions of dollarsGOALS
>>538704813>Too many men are worthless shitheads and turdsbecause of women taking lead roles and corrupting men
>>538703979Here's my theory, OP: Men's role in life is to DO. This includes any and everything that can be done in life. Thinking, planning, executing. Anything mental and anything physical, the masculine is the realm of DOING. So if men are better at everything that can possibly be done, then aren't women just useless? Well yes, when it comes to doing anything in the world, they are useless in a direct sense.Here's the problem with masculinity though. It is extremely capable, but it is purposeless. Masculinity is like the ultimate power tool that can accomplish anything, but if someone doesn't pick it up and use it for some purpose, then nothing actually happens. Women (Femininity) exist to give men that purpose. This is why women are constantly nagging men and also why women are perpetually unsatisfied. They are essentially a neverending well of desires, requests, and purposes. Women don't do anything, they WANT things to be done and this is their role.It sounds bad, but only because you're thinking of all the shitty modern women you know. Imagine a sweet, kind, beautiful woman who loves you and respects you because she understands what an insanely capable tool your masculinity is. And she loves to give you purpose by telling you what she desires and leaving it completely up to you to decide how to approach the problem and how to solve it. She doesn't micromanage and tell you you're doing it wrong, she submits fully to your superiority in all matters of DOING. Then when you succeed, even though her desires are never 100% satisfied, because that is her nature, she still says how grateful she is for what you did, and she does the other thing that women do, she takes care of you. She knows that you're an incredible tool, but you need daily maintenance, kind words, your dick sucked, encouragement, etc... (1/2)
>>538705032She takes care of you, then she just gives you more purposes by expressing her neverending desires, you try your best to satisfy her, she rewards you with kind words and a good dick sucking, then tomorrow you do it all over again. This is what the ideal male/female dynamic looks like. Life would be paradise if women would completely stay out of the way, use men like tools from the background to try to fulfill their desires, and then suck them off to show how grateful they are.In addition to this, men need to have a certain amount of leeway to filter through the infinite desires of women and engage with them in some kind of a moral feedback loop in case women's desires become too evil. Both men and women need to submit to God and morality primarily lest these desires become horribly evil, but mostly women just desire things like pretty houses, security, fun, etc...(2/2)
>>538703979Women need to be evolved beyond. We need to leave them behind. They are not suited for the ascended path before man.
>>538703979Same advice to all : Nuke India !
>>538703979>What is a woman's place?Women have no place. Used to they had the place of the kitchen and nursery, but they've shrugged that off as archaic and old, so now they have no place at all. Men of all walks of life have no value for women in their lives, so women can go fuck off to whatever crevice that slugs go to.
> A sixteen-year-old girl with her whole life before herStay pure as long as you can, and enjoynyour youth. It only comes around once.> An eighteen-year-old girl looking to marry eventuallyBe careful who you hitch your wagon to> A twenty-five-year-old virgin college-graduate seeking careerLife will not wait, only pursue this if you cannot have children.> A twenty-five-year-old woman who spent years selling herself or otherwise living promiscuously, but sincerely wants to reformKill yourself> A thirty-year-old wifeWhy aren't you in the kitchen?> A thirty-year-old single mother whose own mistakes ended her relationshipKill yourself> A thirty-year-old single mother who fled an abusive husbandLife is tough. Get a helmet. Equality and all that, cunt. Cry me a river.> A sixty-year-old woman with no childrenKill yourself > A sixty-year-old grandmotherEnjoy the fruits of your labors.
>>538705519Just the thought of growing a baby in a foid’s body grosses me out. Gotta be better ways to replicate.
>>538704901This is baseless and nonsensical. Primary factors for men being subpar in modern world include constant escapism via video games, porn addiction or general coomerism, shows and movies, plus a culture that glorifies being a degenerate shit bag, promoting drugs, promiscuity and non committal relationships, etc. Then theres also just the weakness that mainly the first part breeds. Im against womens rights being removed and them forced back to being under man mainly due to these factors, most guys today simply arent quality men for women to have as partners for the rest of their life. Im aware modern women are also screwed up, for very similar reasons tho id put a big emphasis on dating culture being harmful to their capability of being suitable wives, and part of that issue goes back to men. Ultimately if we want to fix society it is first ourselves and then other men that first need changing. Women are naturally followers in general.
>>538704118Send those damaged women to the convent. She will have purpose and good works without interfering with society.
>>538704518Pretty based for a foid, ill give you that. The recent decade seems to just be another (wildly successful) divison of the people, this time with gender wars
>>538704224Lemme clue you in, anon: we live in an extremely decadent and degenerated society. The odds of someone getting it right is getting lower and lower by the day. Most, "Based," people become that way later in life if they're being honest and it's a gradual process.If a woman is a coal-burner I wouldn't exactly encourage a White man to marry her and be a stepfather to that, Hell no.But I have bad news for you: if you're gonna consign every White woman to the furnace because she's had premarital sex in 2026 you're not gonna have that many left to work with.
>>538703979>>538704118>>538704345>>538704518>let me ask you a question >by blogging for 15 minutes and not responding to anyoneFaggot mods ought ban you, cunt
>>538704592>You follow men. Choosing which men to follow is you insisting to lead. Choosing what traits men ought have is you choosing to leadWomen are in this position because of weak fathers. Universally the problem with women boils down to weak men, especially weak fathersA woman with a weak father must learn to identify a good man on her own, and to be worthy of him, before she is destroyed in the jungle of life>virgins keep your legs closed>no sex until after marriage
>>538704345>Shouldn't a good man cultivate the sort of character that naturally inspires a woman to follow him?Yes. The trouble is most men have had absentee or very poor father figures vis-a-vis showing them what that is supposed to be like.I miss old redpill/MGTOW culture. It was actually about men helping lead other men who missed these key developmental milestones. I come from a place where I had better role models than I might've had elsewhere but I still missed out on tons of stuff and had to teach it to myself. Tons of dudes are in the same spot. We used to have disinterested mentors around, now the Manosphere is full of grifters and con-men.>It seems to me that both sexes have become less trustworthy toward one another. Women are told not to need men. Men are told not to need women. Families disappear. Communities disappear. Trust disappears.This is not something any political movement or social one is going to fix; it has to be addressed spiritually because that is ultimately the root cause of the dysfunction. You are right to point it out but you can't manufacture it or legislate it into existence. In a word, revival of moral and character sensibilities is what it would take.
>>538703979Post your tits or GTFO
>>538704592>that's not for you to decide. You follow men. Choosing which men to follow is you insisting to lead. Choosing what traits men ought have is you choosing to lead.Seduction and providing has always been a part of the game, though. You cannot literally beat the foids into submission; look at the Arab and African cultures where that is what they do. How are their domestic societies turning out versus our own?
>>538703979>>538704118Men are checking out of society at an alarming rate.
>>538706737The root is women can’t help themselves in divorcing (“I’m bored”) and taking the kids (now that she can just get government gibs and whoring is completely acceptable), so of course most boys don’t have a father and every foid runs her own life to wreck dysfunction in every direction, while men walk on eggshells less she invoke the government (collective simp brigade) to destroy you. Of course the state wants more and more to invade every bit of privacy in a man’s life, because it’s a matriarch.
>>538704813>I’ll tell you what though, we aren’t going back to a time when women had no rights, couldn’t vote, couldn’t own or have jobs.Not in our lifetimes we aren't. Trust me, I certainly wish we could. Female enfranchisement is the Garden of Eden story of our time; there's no going back from what has been done. The only way I see that actually works is a generational repair of the divide between men and women as well as a general reconstruction of the character of both.Women - especially American ones - are not going to give up their liberties so long as they feel like they cannot trust men. Not every criticism historic feminists and suffragettes made was baseless, but the movement itself was directed by subversives.Sitting around waiting for foids to fix it first is pointless. Men are gonna have to go through the crucible and break the jewish programming that made most of them selfish faggots.
>>538703979>>538704118Don't ask here, this shithole is nothing but bad actors and LLMs now.
>>538705738>Primary factors for men being subpar in modern world include constant escapismCan you honestly blame them? Have you had to live in what passes for the majority of American society today?Until you've really tried to go against the grain and be different and be better you don't understand how demoralizing and painful it is. The curse of our generation is remembering how it used to be and never experiencing it. Our grandpas got rewarded for being the way they were and were compensated socially and fiscally for their work and character; White men>the only ones i care aboutare not, at all. We grew up seeing our culture, civilization and economy all moved against us and we realized very quickly there was actually nothing effective we could do about it.What's that - violence? Yeah, then get sold up the river and condemned by other sorry excuses for White men because they're scared of reprisal for being lumped in with you.I'm not making excuses but you make it sound like men just walked out for no reason at all and there isn't a correlation between a lot of us opting out and deciding there's no point to trying to do anything.
>>538704345I think the Christian perspective on this point is the most valuable. In Christianity, the order of authority is from God to man to women to children.St Paul's epistle to the Ephesians says: "Let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband."The two sexes have a responsibility to each other. Women must submit to men and men must love women. I note in my own marriage that when my wife appreciates me and trusts my decisions, I can more easily show her love. And likewise, when I do show her more care and gentleness, I notice she naturally becomes more submissive.This can snowball in both opposing ways. If the man is full of himself and doesn't love her, the woman becomes a contentious hag and he becomes a horrible tyrant. When he loves her as Christ loves His bride (the church, us), she will reverence him. They either grow together or grow apart.Full-hearted submission comes when the man properly guides her in love. And you're right, the sexes hate each other because the evil one wants us to grow apart. He wants women to reject authority/hate men and he wants men to be defeated beta incels who hate women
>>538704547>>538704592I do believe a wife ought to follow her husband, and a daughter ought to honor her father.... but I don't think either duty asks a woman to extinguish the judgment (God gave her, if you're Christian). I find a good woman's discernment to be such a valuable asset. If she did forego her own senses, then how could a woman distinguish a good to-be-father from a wicked one? A faithful husband from a cruel one? And then we are scorned if we "pick the wrong guy". I know many men that were swindled by women and aren't so harshly judged. Why is this?Surely simple obedience, without discernment, cannot be the highest virtue. I would not want a woman like that to even be around children at all. I don't think choosing which man to follow is an act of leadership. I think it's the most important act of surrender a woman will ever make. She entrusts her body, her children, her future, and often her livelihood to him. That choice cannot be made blindly. You say that deciding what traits a man ought to possess is me attempting to lead, though I see it differently: A woman doesn't invent masculine virtue, but she recognizes it. Courage, restraint, wisdom, fidelity, responsibility are not my standards alone, dear brothers. If a man possesses them, respect comes easily, and he needn't even to tell other men to submit. If he does not, no amount of commanding will manufacture it. When a woman deeply trusts a man's character, she follows him without either of them speaking of hierarchy at all. Demanding submission usually reveals the very deficiencies that made the natural-submission impossible.To me, the best patriarch is not the one who reminds everyone that he is the patriarch. He is the one whose wife and daughters feel so safe, so protected, and so well loved that following him becomes mindless, effortless.
>>538705183nailed it bro
>>538704164/thread other than grandmother
>>538707831>the best patriarch is not the one who reminds everyone that he is the patriarch. He is the one whose wife and daughters feel so safe, so protected, and so well loved that following him becomes mindless, effortless.This is well-said. And I will add that he reminds everyone he is the patriarch via those actions which make his wife/daughters feel protected and led, NOT by constantly reminding them "who is in charge".The good king doesn't need to remind his subjects who is in charge.
>>538703979Any woman over the age of 30 without children is worthless parasite and excess female that brings nothing of value to society except nagging, ruining morale of motivated people, stealing jobs from more productive men and bringing unnecessary extra inflation to an already overinflated economy. Do this information what you will and make your decisions accordingly.
>>538704813I don't think we're going back to that world either, nor do I think we should.Whether women "have rights or not", alone, hasn't taught us how to become good men and women.As for the men you describe, I understand the frustration, but I don't think broken people are repaired primarily through humiliation. We cultivate virtue by modeling it, and rewarding it, and letting the truest "dead ends" at least die with some dignity.With St. Paul: A husband's authority is inseparable from his duty to love sacrificially. If one half is preached while the other is forgotten, neither men nor women will trust the arrangement.
>>538703979I think women should have children. It's the job only women can do. If women fail to do it, no man can pick up the slack. That is all. I'm fine with all kinds of equality and all sorts of feminism as long as women do this one absolutely necessary job that nobody else can do.
>>538703979>What is a woman’s place?look pretty, stay quiet, make food, keep clean, have sex> A sixteen-year-old girl with her whole life before herstay a virgin, dont get fat, learn to cook> An eighteen-year-old girl looking to marry eventuallymarry the richest, hottest and tallest man she can attract> A twenty-five-year-old virgin college-graduate seeking careerdont seek a career; move back home, learn to cook and find the richest man who will still take you> A twenty-five-year-old woman who spent years selling herself or otherwise living promiscuously, but sincerely wants to reformkill yourself> A thirty-year-old wifedaily blowjobs, cook only healthy food, dont nag or complain> A thirty-year-old single mother whose own mistakes ended her relationshipkill yourself and the bastard if they are brown> A thirty-year-old single mother who fled an abusive husbandget a life insurance policy, raise the kid to 18 and then run your car into a street lamp> A sixty-year-old woman with no childrenkill yourself> A sixty-year-old grandmothermake sure you leave an inheritance and watch your grandchildren as often as possible so your daughter can fuck her husband properly
>>538704345It’s actually just women less trustworthy
>>538707130There's no changing this without first getting rid of the government policies, societal institutions and corporations who benefit from all this. Doing that quickly would require copious amounts of violence.Do you realize what would immediately happen next?The Nons and jews would instantly become their saviors because White women are the most genetically and sexually desired women on the planet. If you think there's a war on men now, wait until Patriarchy is enforced at gun point.This set of factors is also why I believe all the TradCons and Alt-Righters rushing people to marry and reproduce was an absolute disaster long-term. They underestimated the corrupt character of the modern foid and willfully or ignorantly did not tell men just how stacked the deck would be against them.It doesn't matter how Based a man is. I mean, have you read Genesis? Do you know women? As long as that option is there to screw you over for their benefit they will always take it.
>>538703979> How would you advise each of these women?There is no point to "advice". Societal values and economics determine what women do, not "advice".>rich women laze all day and "travel", don't have kids>middle class women use birth control, avoid kids>poor women sell themselves, abort and turn kids into trashWomen need to be subordinated to their husbands or fathers. Simple as. Having 3 kids must be mandatory for all women by age 30 (2.7 for population stability + some for variance and minimal growth)This cannot be debated and is a basic sanity measure for any civilization.
>>538707831>If she did forego her own senses, then how could a woman distinguish a good to-be-father from a wicked one? A faithful husband from a cruel one?In the past this was handled by the men in a woman's life helping to make that decision. But, again, we run once more into the problem of a general collapse of society. Women don't trust men to do that and many men lack the network or character judgment to make good decisions.
>>538705705>>538705278I worry that in trying to "fix" what is broken, you may accidentally discard something irreplaceable.The creation of a family is not some primitive burden to overcome, brothers... It is one of the oldest and most beautiful human acts: two people choosing to love something beyond themselves, raising a new life, and passing on everything they have learned. There is something profoundly HUMAN about that.I would be careful about imagining a future where we replace one another with, say, machines. A robot cannot truly participate in the mystery of being alive, thus it will never meaningfully contribute past a certain point. Erich Fromm wrote about the danger of a "necrophilous" orientation toward life... These people relish in a kind of death and destruction, in many abstract ways.... but it's ultimately marked as a turning away from growth, love, and the living world toward control, sameness, and lifeless things. I worry that a vision where men no longer need women, and women no longer need men, may actually lead us away from HUMAN evolution.We are not enemies competing for dominance. We are not alien to each other. We are the perfect compliment to each other; two halves of a humanity that has always needed both strength and tenderness, reason and nurture, courage and mercy, etc etc...Please do not underestimate what women offer beyond their bodies. And please do not underestimate what men have to teach women. We become better by refining one another, not by trying to erase one another. I would seriously look into Erich Fromm's "Necrophilous character", as your ideologies, I fear, are anti-life itself.
>>538704118> what are these women supposed to become? dead>So, what should a reformed woman devote herself to?if not dead, the she should work until she dies, live frugally and leave everything to a nephew >>538704345> Shouldn't a good man cultivate the sort of character that naturally inspires a woman to follow him? most men are worthless, a woman has her most leverage at 18 and should secure the tallest, hottest, richest man she can as soon as possible>If women consistently hesitate to trust men, ought we ask why?women do not need to trust men, divorce courts favor women so they are taken care of there, life insurance and a financial advisor fixes the worry of a dead husband. A woman need only stay quiet, hot and sexually available >>538707831>then how could a woman distinguish a good to-be-father from a wicked one? a father simply needs to make money to support a family, you can tell he is a good man because he has money and male friends with families >And then we are scorned if we "pick the wrong guy". I know many men that were swindled by women and aren't so harshly judged. Why is this?you picked the wrong guy if he is poor, violent or an addict; which should have been obvious
>>538704164I feel like we should kill you instead for being an evil p.o.s.
>>538706158Amen. They destroyed the idea of community, then extended-family.... and now, ladies and gentlemen, we don't even have each other. Next, we will be atomized away from children.
This thread is full of retarded simps or some foid raid. It’s a digusting faggot thread full of feminist trash sucking each other off to engineer consensus. Foid’s should become cattle or be replaced. Simple as.
>>538708132>I don't think we're going back to that world either, nor do I think we should.No, we really should. Civilization has proven that women should not have these rights they have been given - look what they've done with them.But as I've said earlier in the thread I think forcing women to abandon them is a disaster waiting to happen. That being said, the eventual goal should be the end of all of this faggotry.
>>538708670>laughing at the misery of childrenUp the telephone pole you go, WOP.
>>538706309Exactly, dear brother, so I ask what do we do with these people... when their "mistakes" and wrongdoings are perhaps too great? And if the wrongdoings aren't too great, but they aren't ideal and shouldn't be treated as such, but also not put into essentially a lower class of people? We need something, while we socially recover and repair.I've seen many ex-Onlyfans-"models" come out and make videos describing the kind of abuses they faced, how much they regret it, etc.... And I find some of my girl friends mentioning this kind of content as "helpful"... but when I check the comments on these videos, themselves, they are mostly shamed, which would then discouraged other whores from coming forward and warning women to NOT do as they did..... Ironically, feeding the cycle. There are many hiccups like this, where our scrupulosity actually maims us, and makes our issues worse.
>>538709226It’s a shampoo joke captain autism
>>538708978>Next, we will be atomized away from children.Already happening with socio-economic forces designed to shuffle kids into daycare and public schools and minimize their time with their children.
>>538708150Jews exist so you all have to be unceremoniously decimated until they stop existing
>>538703979>>538704118>>538704345>>538704518I don't want to respond to all that because you've asked a lot of questions and I'd be here all night. But since you are asking them in good faith, i'll make a postYou have to first consider biology. Recognise it, not dismiss or deny it. It is a difficult thing to accept, but women's bodies are not made the same way men's bodies are. Women are primarily infant carers, biologically speaking. You literally have two baby feeders on your chest. That sounds crass and demeaning, but that is just the truth. I am sorry. Your skeletal structure compromised on integrity for the ability to birth babies. A baby's mind needs a female voice to soothe them, it is an inherent mechanism. A healthy society will be raising it's next generation, it is crucial. So this is a woman's primary role. But humans are adaptable and women are capable of more than just motherhood. They are and have always been workers. They would historically marry and have a joint home "business" in modern terms. The husband would typically produce the materials and the wife would turn them into goods. Generally speaking. That is why marriage was seen as a teamwork effort. It was. And a man has to be able to support a woman in order for her to be a mother. And the system must give men a place to do thatHow do you translate that work into the modern day? Fuck knows. Our society, our civilisation is deeply sick and has been for a long time. Such livelyhoods have been gutted out and become obsolete in the name of progress. Things have changed. No one has a place anymore, you just land where you fall in life. There has been a decay in morality and no one can trust eachother. Liberalism stripped up a lot of structure from our lives and replaced it with nothing, and now it is all dysfunctional. If you want to know where a woman's place is, you'll not find it. It's gone. No one has a "place" anymore. We need to look at the problem from a holistic view
>>538703979Sucking cock, making sandwiches, and making babies. It's never changed hole, why did you think it would?
>>538703979>I happen to be in an unusual social position where quite a few women around me imitate my behavior.No real women want to imitate your behavior you delusional tranny. You will never be a real woman.
>>538706737I agree that what I saw from early MGTOW (etc) seemed to be men re-developing a kind of "Rites to Manhood".... which I believe is much-needed, and would help both women and men alike, in discerning who is deemed "ready", and who is not. Later, the MGTOW, at least from my perspective, became absolutely horrifying. Now, we also have things like "looksmaxxers"... who, as I see it, are "playing women's games".... A complete inversion of it's intention.And you suggest we revive the "moral and character sensibilities" needed through religion, I assume, dear brother? Ideally, I'd agree.... But I believe we need such a temporary "quick fix" (to stop things from slipping any farther) that it must, for now, call to something more tangible than religion....>>538706915Wise. A lot of whites claim to be "disgusted with niggers", yet seek to emulate them. It feels similar to the "I hate women" while "looksmaxxing"... It's like a form of cannibalism.
>>538703979Society is so profoundly diseased at this point its not even clear what healthy would look like.
>>538704164Someone skin this dickhead alive>>538704518agreed. In football / soccer you need attackers and defenders. In the medical world you need doctors and nurses. In RPGs you need attackers and healers. It's basically the same real life. Even if you want to get progressive and include feminine men and masculine women.
>>538709237Well, back in the day they had workhouse homes for "fallen," women. If we could have those without all the fuckery it might be a good idea.As far as all the distrust towards former OnlyFans girls go, that's actually not entirely a bad thing. These things need to be socially stigmatized with shame and I really think most people don't know about the cases where women are trafficked or managed. I can still remember learning how Playboy Models are basically trafficked (or were, idk how prevalent or relevant Playboy even is now). I don't think most people even knew that was going on and I think most people thought it was like any modeling or acting gig and there wasn't so much coercion and exploitation going on.
>>538703979Is that Bard attempting to merge with Crown-Dudes daughter,or wife?
>>538707130A lot of women are also living in a society that has given them a confusing and impossible set of expectations. Men have been burdened too, of course. Ultimately, we are both expected to act without support from state, cities, families, and now even each other. Perhaps part of the answer is not simply demanding more from men or women, but creating a society where neither sex is carrying an impossible weight alone--- We need culture, social structure.... and there is also a place for government. The real problem is.. the government is actively working against us both.We should not seek to replace fathers or mothers with institution and robots and prostitutes, but to make it more possible for ordinary people to fulfill the roles of "mother", "father". A young man should not feel like one mistake or one period of hardship means he has failed forever. A mother should not feel like the only way to survive is to discard the father of her children and rely on the state..... And if we continue to respond to pain by blaming the other.... Mister, you may win an argument but we will both lose the family.
>>538709872Shut up faggot
>>538710086You posted this earlier in a different thread pretending to be someone else you disgusting freak pajeet faggot
ABANDON THEAD. THIS IS A PAJEET LARP
>>538709892>Well, back in the day they had workhouse homes for "fallen," women. If we could have those without all the fuckery it might be a good idea.The fuckery is baked into the concept I'm afraid. You basically can't have a thing like that and not have it be full of abuse. In times before even that they used to encourage people to marry ex-prostitutes by framing it as an act of Christian mercy, since marriage was their only real route back into being a respectable member of society. I don't know how well that translates to industrial society but it seems to be in a more humane spirit. 4chan will say choosing to trust a "liberated" woman is just signing up to get robbed though, and maybe there's some truth to that.I do think there should still be halfway houses for people who need help to be functioning human beings again or asylums for people who don't have much hope but that's a separate issue from giving people a way back from "normal" modern degeneracy.
>>538703979>me on the right
>>538709494I think that there needs to be radical change in the organisation of society both functionally and socially. It is all just broken. We stripped out some things, but left other things in, and now those things that previously worked don't, and the whims of human nature has taken the reins and leading us all into ruins. It is so brokenWhat needs to come back:Local communityShared enterprise from husband and wife in every householdSmaller business and less big businessesSome form of social code or philosophyA form of Distributionism or a modernised Gaelic-like orderThat's what it is going to take to fix things. Which would take a radical change. And that's not going to happen any time soon so these social problems are going to continue to worsen until we are reduced to savagery
Aaaaand Christcucks simps have shitted up and ruined yet another thread.
>>538707378Sadly, yes... I fear it is, again, mostly on the backs of men that we would recover from this....So, as I woman.... How can I help? What can I do? I don't like watching the men buzz around dead-eyes, demoralized, suspicious, distant... It's utterly gutting. I do try to verbally thank men for things they do, as I know they are often not even acknowledged in that capacity.>>538707817>The two sexes have a responsibility to each other. Women must submit to men and men must love women. I note in my own marriage that when my wife appreciates me and trusts my decisions, I can more easily show her love. And likewise, when I do show her more care and gentleness, I notice she naturally becomes more submissive.BINGO! God bless your marriage, dear brother... and pray for me!>He wants women to reject authority/hate men and he wants men to be defeated beta incels who hate womenExactly. I find, as a woman... In a pinch, I can TRY to "act as a man", and kinda manage for a short while... But I am NOT a man... I liken this to a mama bear protecting her cubs.... A very beautiful and needed reflex... Yet it is being abused, and used to make us distrust men's authority entirely... Because we tell ourselves "WE CAN DO IT", and we kinda (badly) can for a while, so then we expect to be rewarded as a man for taking on the responsibilities of one.... Absolutely exhausting.
>>538710462Don't tell them you're a woman on here. None of them are sincere.None.
>>538703979There is no place for women as there is no place for men.Our place in the world has been removed and it is only a matter of time until we are gone too.Maybe we tumble back into place by sheer luck.But as it is now, you are only fighting the inevitable.
>>538708709Don't accidentally erase womens' history as "the match-makers"!>>538708899Which jobs should these women work?Also, dear anon, people DO change. The person you marry can switch on you. Many men have this story, and so do many women.
>>538706309So be it. We will work with little. God worked with even less. We can raise up ten good women for ten good men.There are new virgin girls born everyday. The non-virgins may live as widows or something.
>>538710954The point of marriage is that you're stuck together for life. Change among people is obviously expected in life, but completely irrelevant to the fundamental concept of marriage. Unless you believe marriage is supposed to represent the height of romantic love between a "couple" which is what most people view marriage as nowadays, but is a completely fruitless concept.
>>538708132We're going back to that world one way or another. We can't sit here endlessly debating feminism when the brown hordes are taking over, who will then proceed to quasi if not outright remove your rights. And this was all downstream from feminism to begin with.
>>538703979>>538704118Women literally can't think, look it up.
>>538703979Steward of the household.
>>538709088>Women should not have these rights they have been given - look what they've done with themI'm not trying to be obtuse in asking... But for the sake of trying to understand, or not assume, do you mind elaborating a bit?>>538709322Oh, yes, but that has been happening.... Cases like Adriana Smith, so much "sci-fi" and philosophical literature, anons like this >>538705705 >>538705278, or even the actions of IVF.... they all move us away from (living) WOMEN even biologically having children... Many have gone so far as to hope robots, or artificial wombs, or even recently-dead women could """"birth"""" as a woman would. >Children will eventually not even be born to humans, nonetheless women
>>538703979A woman's place is in my rape dungeon.
>>538711304I miss disgusting creepy pepe era
>>538704118>and I won't even entertain this idea of killing these poor creaturesThen what’s the point talking with you? You are already denying a solution, so talking with you is pointless because you already have something in mind and just want to hear other anons agree with you.
>>538710954>Which jobs should these women work?whatever pays them the most>Also, dear anon, people DO change. no, they do not>The person you marry can switch on you. no, they can simply stop lying and pretending. A man’s value is the money he provides, which should be obvious based on the house he lives in, the car he drives, the watch on his wrist, the restaurants he takes you to. In terms of addiction, it’s impossible to hide and so is violence
>>538709680>And you suggest we revive the "moral and character sensibilities" needed through religion, I assume, dear brother?Precisely that. I think it's the most productive option on the table.>A lot of whites claim to be "disgusted with niggers", yet seek to emulate them.I read in Mein Kampf how the early German Nationalists would refuse to wear, eat, drink or buy foreign. They wouldn't even let foreign songs be played at social events. They'd actually beat up musicians for playing them. That's the kind of race consciousness Americans need again, just a total disdain for the alien and a preference for your own culture.
>>538709892I love the idea of a collective-womens-housing situation.... where women would replace all need for fast-fashion by hand-making all of your clothes, and women would replace all shitty chain-fast-food with locally-made "fast-food" by local (mostly single) women.... and women would learn feminine-trades (sewing, cooking, etc) this way. Single mothers (perhaps their husband died) could live there, and have support. With all of this being said, I'm not sure if men would be ok propping up a structure like this, but I do think it would lower the "barrier-to-entry" with women needing to feel a certain level of security to function / reproduce... Like it would take significant strain from individual men, etc.
>>538710462>So, as I woman.... How can I help? What can I do?You say you have influence over women, use it for good.
>>538710104>>538710137>>538710163Your efforts to dissuade meaningful, forward-facing conversations between white American men and women are futile and laughable.
>>538711064God also asks us to forgive people who sincerely repent.
>>538707378Women are only as far behind as the men that inform them, a jewish monopoly money salary for women and the economy implodes? All part of the experience I suppose, didn't get to explore the world or the stars but got to see that, huh?
>>538704164Kek fucking based.
>>538704118The path to redemption is paved with repentance. Step one which most women don't do is admit they made a mistake. Sure they're all trashy shit like "I want no more games", but it's not sincere. They have to vocally and internally understand their whoring around are negative.
>>538712072It's like trying to get somebody to jump to safety and the longer they wait the faster it spins, they are mentally children that never "lept" and satiate anxiety with constant validation, drug use, gossiping, lying
>>538703979Her place if of her own making.
>>538710324Do you mind me asking what was so bad about these workhouses? I will do my own research, but I'd also like your input. >>538710333>CheckedGod bless you, dear anon>>538710350I am largely in agreeance with you. What can I do, anon?>>538711804I do, so what do I relay? Certainly not that they should die unless they do one very specific thing (that also appears to be a moving goal-post that we later beat them with)>>538710947Please do not be such a defeatist, dear brother... We still have time, and we can do so much with what we have... But it does start small, and local.
>>538711192No... I believe the creme is arranged (not forced) marriages. "Love marriages" are proven to have much higher divorce-rates... because the minute things get hard, and they don't feel the "love" they did, they are gone.>>538711064Beautiful, but I also agree with >>538711897... We MUST consider the "lesser" woman so we can move forward, learn, and use this time in history as a cautionary tale. There are virgins born every day, yes, and over half have lost their virginity by 17, and over 90% have lost their virginities by 22. We need reformed-whores to caution and guide these girls away from this behavior. We need to relearn how to safeguard purity as a society... we have entirely lost this as a concept, and we now prize "experience" and knowing-- a gnostic-flavoured mess.
>>538712229Well TS for the ones who can't jump. Every single man of integrity who gave an unrepentant whore a chance ended up regretting it.
>>538711261>do you mind elaborating a bit?Voting patterns aside, culturally and socially women have been using their liberty to push things that are harmful to a moral society generally.
>>538704164if you kill grandma, grandpa will die soon after and all of their combined knowledge and skills that they could pass on would be lost on top of depriving the younger parents of experienced child rearing help and skilsyou are shortsighted and should kill youself
>>538712353>I do, so what do I relay?I've spent a lot of time trying to reconstruct masculinity from historic sources. Consider doing the same with femininity; I could just tell you what I want in a woman, but that maybe doesn't serve to answer your question.
>>538711217You need women to wake up to the "brown hordes" so we stop coddling them, and especially stop reproducing with them. >>538711451My coddling-nature should be rewarded, anon. Women that seek blood are uncanny mothers.>>538711612Yes. Which means we need to do away (socially) with things that have a strong out-group preference / selection-bias. We need to do away with what T. Roosevelt called "hyphenated Americans". You either are American, or you need to leave... We have things to figure out. >>538712419> Be woman> Finally get rights> Weak men are not guiding and curbing my coddling-nature (which produced and sustained life)> Pass on coddling-nature> My daughters and sons do not learn the masculine "cut-off" of coddling, to a different kind of protectingWe need to grow, both women and men. Taking away womens' rights when we are already so incredibly (physically, mentally, socially) insecure.... will not produce good fruit. Essentially no woman I know, even the ones that pursue these positions, don't actually want to be in positions of power. But, women will try to function as men to "keep the boat afloat" in hard times... And we are, indeed, in hard times... We need men to relearn how to be gentle with us, and how to protect us.... Otherwise, we are going to continue to "love trannies and brownoids and destroy the country" because we 1.) Are much harder to convince to be murderous and violent, so speaking in that way alienates us entirely 2.) A loving woman wants to give and help people, especially those deemed smaller or weaker or less-competent than herself or male-counterparts
>>538712391Literally Indian. The other anon was right, I'm sorry I doubted you, bro.
>>538712872It could lead to some answers, perhaps.Go on. >>538712937It is also "high-society" to have arranged marriages, silly goose.
>>538712353>Do you mind me asking what was so bad about these workhouses?They were just sweatshops with very bad conditions, which was partly because of the sorts of people who ended up there and partly on purpose because the government didn't want living there to be more desirable than being poor but independent. It was also common knowledge that abuse of young women was rampant, which they tried to mitigate by keeping women and girls in separate lodging (including away from their families if they had any) but scandals about that sort of thing were still one of the reasons they were eventually shut down.I also know they tried very hard to improve the morals of people living there and raise children right but I mainly know about them from the economic history of the industrial revolution, how they did that and how successful it was isn't something I've really looked into.
>>538711261>I'm not trying to be obtuse in asking... But for the sake of trying to understand, or not assume, do you mind elaborating a bit?If you let women do anything other than having kids, they will. Having kids requires being secure with a man, it's a lot of work, kinda scary and dangerous and takes over your life.Why would the majority of these women do this when they can use their rights to say "no" after 1 kid tops or none? A sugar baby arrangement is infinitely more profitable, secure and easygoing than any marriage or childbirth.People assume women all just want kids, but this only applies to women raised around small children. So not the majority, and even that is not enough. In a birth control + freedom of choice + alternative options world, women will never have kids as a group. Pushing them to marry in their teens and obeying their husbands with no birth control is the ONLY way women can be brought to have kids as a group in sufficient numbers for population growth (fertility 3-5, but actually 6-7 to offset the current collapse)
>>538712353>I am largely in agreeance with you. What can I do, anon?The only thing we can do as individuals who are not organised is just try to build community in your locale and look after yourself and your family. What else can anyone expect of you. The problem is far beyond the scope of individuals conversing on an anonymous image board>>538712353>Do you mind me asking what was so bad about these workhouses?In Ireland we had them and the british funnelled catholic Irish with the system they build into what was essentially coerced slavery were they would labour themselves to death for a bit of stale bread and water. They tossed the bodies in piles and outside and left them to rot. Men, women, children, elderly. Anyone who fell on hard times. They had no way of working their way out of it. That's what a workhouse means to me
>>538703979Bang the grandma, do a 360 and walk away
>>538712393When you're dealing with actually mentally ill women they're basically a patient, the point is that every modern woman is going to require headwork. They hold onto completely irrational beliefs forever
>>538703979less talking, more titties postingcome on let's see themchop chop
>>538703979Study ancient Greece.
>>538704164holy shit the phones in the based department are going off like crazy
>>538703979tldr
>>538705278this guy gets it
>>538713030Female anthropology?
Gay larp thread
This gay thread still going? Simpoids are really on here trying to negotiate with a foid “yes, yes. We need to treat women EVEN better. We need to somehow create MORE equality. Make things fairer, yes, yes. We need to treat women even MORE nice!” Reminder that women run society and could easily fix all of this. Reminder that when men had their way society ran fine, everyone had a family, communities are together, crime is low, culture is intact. So women, now holding the reins could easily stop divorcing their chosen partners at 90% the initiation rate. They could start having kids. They could stop the misandry on every station, program and level of society. They have all the power, and look at where we are. Absolute state. We get no where until women are yoked with a leash around their collective necks. You think women are gonna have babies, stop lying and be honorable wives if men just become even bigger simps? You absolute morons.
>>538713701Women want union with men, and we want to have families... We are so resource (and socially) insecure, that we have increasingly unrealistic demands on individual men to counteract this existential/biological reflex. I don't like birth control, but that's a problem for farther along.... Right now, there are tons of women that WANT to have kids but are too afraid, for various reasons. We need to address material / social concerns. We should not advocate for "sugar baby arrangements".... Whatever happened to bride-prices?>>538713755I reiterate that I am in a unique social position. I have contacts with my mayor, local franchises and businesses, and I am considered a kind of "high hen"; I have social-pull that I can utilize, and should. So, I've thought to try to start local events... maybe monthly, or weekly, to encourage neighbors to even know each other. I will do more research into this kind of thing. Thank you and >>538713701 for explaining things a bit more for me!
I ain't reading all of that
>>538714850Tell them to stop being whores who just up and leave when things get hard and tell them to submit to the authority of their man then You wont though which is why your gay ass thread is a waste of time Fuck off
>>538714850The women are cold and alone without resources? where have I seen this before?
>>538704164Kill yourself instead You are a worthless pile of dogshit.Seriously, go suck a tailpipe.
>>538704547Why?
>>538714544>“yes, yes. We need to treat women EVEN better. We need to somehow create MORE equality. Make things fairer, yes, yes. We need to treat women even MORE nice!”You're strawmanning my position at least.>Reminder that when men had their way society ran fine, everyone had a family, communities are together, crime is low, culture is intact.Back then women had no frame of reference in terms of any other option and the foid lizard-brain is going to choose license and independence over maternal duties every time. You can't just beat them into submission, either. Globally all over the planet women in more Patriarchal cultures are fleeing to the West and America to escape, where they have not just independence but the possibility that they will be able to dominate men.Like it or not you can't just force people who are used to license and independence back into what does in fact amount to submission, it will never work. The way the White world was taken over by jews is they offered insane material benefit for changing things.>They have all the power, and look at where we are.Ontologically false. Everything women do still revolves around men. All their thoughts and frames of reference involve men. They don't understand men aren't this way and some men can spend years of their lives without women and be relatively content depending on their maturity level and how brainwashed they've been to view their entire self-worth by how foids, collectively, view them.>We get no where until women are yoked with a leash around their collective necks.As soon as you slap them on by force without them wanting it here's what will happen: jews will finance jamal, miguel and ahmed's war against the White man to liberate them. White women will then, gladly, go hop on the brown cock-carousel for generation to spite White men who they will view as oppressors. This is what will in fact happen and honestly it's happening at a smaller scale now.
>>538714095>Women who post tits should die>"Please post tits"Telling me outright to "kill myself" is much more efficient, anon.>>538714306Ok. Coddling-nature killed immediately. Kindly, your anti-human ideologies are unnatural and should die. Quickly.>>538714544>Reminder that women run society and could easily fix all of thisHow paradoxical:If women truly “run society” and "have the power to fix everything (themselves)", then men are simultaneously saying women are incapable of leadership while also blaming them for every failure of leadership. Those two ideas cannot both be true.Either women have no meaningful influence (nor the skills otherwise) and therefore cannot be held responsible for every social problem..... or women do have influence and then men also have to acknowledge that men have influence, choices, responsibilities, and agency as well.A healthy society is built when men and women each take responsibility for their own duties and help correct one another.I think there is a temptation, especially when we are hurt by modern society, to find a single villain, and it's always "the other".... but families did not collapse because one sex suddenly became evil, or just this one thing went wrong..... They collapsed because many of our institutions, values, and communities stopped supporting people in becoming virtuous.... Men, women, business, state, religion... they failed along the way. All of them, and more. Men and women are now BOTH responsible for rebuilding what was lost, before it is truly lost. Neither side is going to save the world by declaring the other side the enemy. We are not on opposing teams, dear brother.
>>538715016>submit to the authority of their man thenWhen he's not worthy of that submission, what then? They can just go to Jamal who will throw jewbux at them, let them be independent and such all just so they can claim within their own culture the honor of dicking down a white girl.You guys need to stop confusing what would emotionally satisfy you and think about what the state of the game is and what will work. Nursing revenge fantasies doesn't actually get anything done.
>>538715325>If women truly “run society” and "have the power to fix everything (themselves)", then men are simultaneously saying women are incapable of leadership while also blaming them for every failure of leadership. Those two ideas cannot both be true.Yes they can, just like Schrodinger's Immigrant is true. Women are de facto in charge of most everything; where they aren't, weak men are there who are scared to buck them.However, objectively, men haven't stopped being the dominant gender. What has happened is that men have been psyopped numerous ways into not accessing that power and going other ways.
>>538715382Don’t really give a fuck bro. I have a stable career and high income, theres nothing I want more than a living wife and family but I havent met a woman worthy of that in at least 6 years.I did the work while the women had the time of their lives and float into positions of power and wealth for free, eat shit and die.
>>538715325don't be such a cunt and post your tits. whatever retarded arguments your having here you'll automatically win if you post them you stupid bitch. now COME ON POST YOUR DAMN TITS
>>538715325Yes it is paradoxical, women are simultaneously perfect infallible beings which they used to gain rights, and also are generally more incompetent than men. Basically the "male" influence you're talking about here is the act of letting you do whatever you want. >we live in a society>>538715497
>>538715505If you haven't met a woman you like, then I'm glad you haven't settled and married someone just to check the box then?>I did the work while the women had the time of their lives and float into positions of power and wealth for free, eat shit and die.Why are you talking to me like this is my fault?
>>538715185>You can't just beat them into submission, either. Globally all over the planet women in more Patriarchal cultures are fleeing to the West and America to escape, where they have not just independence but the possibility that they will be able to dominate men.This is total bullshit. Immigrants are majority men. Western women are moving to thirdie countries because aroused by the masculine men there. Look at afghanistan. After US occupation dropped birth rates and freed women, are they running away? No, women are weak and submissive. They're killing themselves more, but not going anywhere since they get married immediately before age 17-18. It's all it takes and it's the only thing that works too
>>538715613I’m talking to you like you’re an out of touch faggot telling me to pull myself up by my bootstraps after ive done that for the last 10 years. I’m sick of you stupid niggers telling me I have to do MORE. FUCK YOU. Tell the fucking women to do something different for a change, asshole. Go spam where they are on reddit or wherever else. I’m tired if reading your stupid bullshit.
>>538703979That's something that ought to be discussed I suppose. But I must confess I don't have a full map of what women should do in my mind. The most obvious defects of women are well known. They are promiscuous and immodest. They reject femininity itself. They are hostile towards men. >>538704118>then there must be an honorable place for repentanceYou mean they must be given husbands. Say it plainly. I don't think they should. If some poor sucker wants to fulfill that role, very well. But it shouldn't be encouraged.
>>538715716>Western women are moving to thirdie countries because aroused by the masculine men there.I think you're confusing degenerate sex tourism with actual immigration.>After US occupation dropped birth rates and freed women, are they running away? No, women are weak and submissive. They're killing themselves more, but not going anywhere since they get married immediately before age 17-18. It's all it takes and it's the only thing that works tooAnd popping out more dysgenic weak-willed retards.
>>538715727I never told you to, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps." I think you are young and irritated, which you should be at a lot of this. But take it from me, you are way better off staying single instead of settling for someone not up to snuff. I am speaking from experience.I haven't told you actually to do anything except carry on and attract who you actually want.
>>538715505>I did the work while the women had the time of their lives and float into positions of power and wealth for free, eat shit and die.You should pity them for being so heavily misled... Imagine how they'll be in hospice, crying over their missed lives, and what "could've been".... Pity these women, anon. It's depressing. You can only seek to wake them up. I remind you that you are seeking ONE woman, not every woman. If most women are fucked, and most everything is fucked, and you only intend to marry once.... Well, problem solved. Godspeed, brother.>>538715576>whatever arguments your(e) having here, you'll automatically win if you post them (boobies)Is it so hard to believe that some "retarded foids" actually want to better society? You miss the forest for the trees, trees for forest. I value truth and progress over "winning an argument"; women are submissive, remember; I do not want to """"win""""" over my compliment, silly.
>>538704345Yes, men have their issues, but the answer to women remains the same.Now, the submission question has a preceding problem, that we don't understand what it entails exactly. The only examples of female submission that exist in our collective imaginary are the Tradwifejak and the Handmaid's Tale KEK
>>538703979all of them to start an onlyfans
>>538703979They're commodities at worst, pets at best.
>>538703979Kill yourself you evil fucking whore.
>>538715941So perhaps we pump out more examples of ideal male-led, submissive-female dynamics!Do you have recommendations? Books, videos, historical accounts, music?
>>538715934>marriage is paramount to a womanwhat world am I living in?
>>538716159> historical accountsEvery civilization in history that lasted longer than ours. Start there.
>>538704164>>538708254>>538711930Here's your 3rdies who'll never ever get that. Kill yourselves, not in Minecraft, in real life. If rule of Law ever fails; pray you're not registered as a sex offender here. Or be outside at night because if we happen to cross paths and you're clearly a dysgenic 3rdie nigger or fat ugly chomo phenotype, you'll find out.
>>538715941>Handmaid's Talejews literally primed women against any sort of aggressive partriarchal movement in the US by brainwashing them with one woman's weird mass-breeding dictatorship fantasy. Then a bunch of angry men like equally stupid goys decided to start counter-signalling by embracing the Hollywood Villain archetype in public.>YES WE WILL BEAT YOU AND RAPE YOU FOREVER, NO MORE AGENCY FOR YOUCan you people not see this? It's the SAME THING they did with Neo-Nazism. Dumbass edgelords embraced Le Hollywood Nazi Trope to, "Own the Libs." What happened instead was (((Libs))) just got more material to radicalize and fuel their base to make Current Year faggotry EVEN MORE entrenched.Same thing with Handmaid's Tale and similar shit. It's not just the women being groomed, it's the men too.
>>538703979You're a stupid shitter cunt and men don't want to work with you for a reason.
>>538716200Is truly is. All of our childhood stories end "happily ever after" she gets married. It's true--- I care greatly for men, and I want to honor them as a group, and commit to an honest one for the rest of my life. This is not unusual. From a woman's perspective..... Women are so resource / socially insecure that they are acting in increasingly extreme ways, all across the map, just doing whatever they feel will keep them safe, or protect their (unborn) children, etc. We, both men and women, also institution, have essentially strained women into a type of temporary infertility.
>>538716448>lie lie lie lie lieDo you know how to do anything else? You stupid awful cunt, everything out of your blowjob hole is a fucking lie. Eat shit and die, you lying piece of shit.
>>538703979The Patriarchy... The competitive, hierarchical economic system which we built, exists explicitly because of female Hypergamy. It's purpose is to sort male competence.Which means that women who engage with and in the Patriarchal system are exhibiting masculine behaviours which have the purpose of attracting women.What are you doing? Why?
