What do you guys think of this? My advice would be to stay within the Church but still attend the Traditional Latin Mass.Also, rest in peace Ann Widdecombe.
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>>538708392I'm a new zoom zoom convert to Catholicism. I'm pretty disappointed by this, because latin mass was one of the many things that drew me to the faith.
>>538708645There should be other options for a Latin Mass. Is there FSSP or diocesan Latin Masses near you?
>>538708392HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>538708392the Jesuit soldiers of the Pope will make sure they come back under the Mother Harlot.
>>538708645Jesus should draw you to the Faith in him, not some ritual.
>>538708392Find it awkward and kind of sad, my Catholic friend always tries to pull me in to his church, but I'm confessional Lutheran. His whole identity is that he's Catholic, he hates protestants but puts up with confessional Lutherans and very little reformed people. The irony now is he's not even a roman Catholic and thus a part of the protestant reformation. He hasn't texted me since the schism
>>538708696There isn't one in my hometown, but only in the city.
>>538708855It's not just "some ritual", it's the continuation of Christ's sacrifice on earth.
>>538708752I missed the part where you were wanted here.
>>538708934yes, because the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross was not enough...absolutely blasphemous, sacrificing the Lord anew.>since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
>>538708918>and thus a part of the protestant reformation"Just because they're in schism doesn't mean they're protestant.
>>538708855Don't get me wrong, what drew me to Christianity is Christ himself. I'm very young, so I don't want to take it upon myself to worship God by myself and make mistakes.
>>538709259and what does it gain you to worship God the way man teaches?God lays out how he wants to be worshiped in his scripture.Romans 1212 I appeal to you therefore, brothers,[a] by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.[b] 2 Do not be conformed to this world,[c] but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.[d]read your bible and dont worship God the way Cain wanted to worship God. by the fruits of his own hands.
>>538709095Jesus' sacrifice was enough. The Mass is an unbloddy re-presentation that transends time, and allows us to participate in Christ's sacrifice.
>>538709397I actually do read the Bible. Haven't finished yet, I am at the book of Judges. I still have to read the New Testament.
>>538709550no, the presence of Jesus in Spirit, Soul and Flesh is present in the Eucharist. its in your own catechism.thats a literal repetition where man sacrifices God anew. is blasphemous and tramples the real blood of Christ underfoot.>and allows us to participate in Christ's sacrifice>>538709615start with the New Testament. it enables you to better understand the OT and see all the times the picture of Jesus is described in the old texts.
>xniggers schisming AGAINyou'd think the one true church of the one true god wouldn't have a thousand different sects
>>538709550replied to early.>and allows us to participate in Christ's sacrificethats just superstitious and paganistic. Jesus perfect work was finished on the cross, having Faith in that is at the core of the True Faith.having to repeat it over and over is against that Faith because faith is not required for a ritual, only the work of man and in the priest.
>>538709752Yeah, good idea. I think I'll go read the New Testament. Then I'll just read the rest of the Old Testament.
>>538709857Man does not sacrifce God anew. The human priest at the altar is not acting on his own power, he is merely an instrument. It's Christ Himself Who is actively performing the spiritual work during the Mass.The Church teaches that if a person participates in the Mass without personal faith, they receive no spiritual benefit. In 1 Corinthians 11:29, St. Paul that eating the bread and drinking the cup without faith and discernment brings judgment upon oneself.
>>538708392I have had partial deliverance off a blessing at Catholic Mass and full spiritual experiences doing communion at home, off a prosperity gospel stream no less.It's the heart that Jesus wants, it's between God and the believer ultimately.Make sure your church keeps you wanting to be Christian and seeking Christ.
>>538710210thats not in accordance with the roman catholic teachings.c ) The celebration of the Eucharist, which takes place at Mass, is the action not only of Christ? but also of the Church. For in it Christ perpetuates in an unbloody manner the sacrifice offered on the cross,14 offering Himself to the Father for the world’s salvation through the ministry of priests.15 The Church, the spouse and minister of Christ, performs together with Him the role of priest and victim, offers Him to the Father and at the same time makes a total offering of herself together with Him.https://adoremus.org/1967/05/eucharisticum-mysterium/When the priest' pronounces the tremendous words ofconsecration, he reáches up into the heavens, brings Christdown from His throne, and places Him upon our altar to beoffered up again as the victim for the sins of man. [...]Indeed it is greater even than thepower of the Virgin Mary. For, while the Blessed Virginwas the human agency by which Christ became incarnate asingle time, the priest brings Christ down from Heaven, andrenders Him present on our altar as the eternal Victim forthe sins of man-not once but a thousand times! The priestspeaks and lo! Christ, the eternal and omnipotent God, bowHis head in humble obedience to the priest's command.page 270https://ia903106.us.archive.org/1/items/FaithOfMillions/Faith%20of%20Millions.pdfCANON III.–If any one saith, that the sacrifice of the mass is only a sacrifice of praise and of thanksgiving; or, that it is a [Page 159] bare commemoration of the sacrifice consummated on the cross, but not a propitiatory sacrifice; or, that it profits him only who receives; and that it ought not to be offered for the living and the dead for sins, pains, satisfactions, and other necessities; let him be anathema.https://www.papalencyclicals.net/councils/trent/twenty-second-session.htm
>>538708392>Traditional Latin MassNigga who cares?
>>538711140Catholic dogma states that the sacrifice of the Cross and the sacrifice of the Mass are one single sacrifice. The Mass does not multiply the sacrifice of Jesus, nor does it add to its value. Instead, it makes the historic event of Calvary present to believers across time and space.
>>538710210forgot to copy paste this. also from page 270 just before.The third great power of the priestly office is the climaxof all. It is the power of consecrating. "No act is greater,"says St. Thomas, "than the consecration of the body ofChrist." In this essential phase of the sacred ministry, thepower of the priest is not surpassed by that of the bishop, thearchbishop, the cardinal or the pope. Indeed it is equal tothat of Jesus Christ. For in this role the priest speaks withthe voice and the authority of God Himself.priests literally claim the authority of God the Father to sacrifice his Son anew for sins.this goes completely against the gospel and faith.
>>538711360according to the roman catholic church you are anathema with that statement.
>>538711418How so? It's Catholic teaching.
>>538711515>CANON I.–If any one saith, that in the mass a true and proper sacriflce is not offered to God; or, that to be offered is nothing else but that Christ is given us to eat; let him be anathema.because it is another sacrifice for sins. its not something outside of time and space where you participate in Calvary, it is another Calvary. every single mass Christ is sacrificed anew.furthermore you participate in cannibalism.
>>538708392The Catholics have done this, before, but I'll point out that they have no problem with all of their faggot branches.The Catholic Church is described in the Book of Revelation as the wounded head of the beast which miraculously survived. You could make the argument this is also the Jewish religion, but the two are part and parcel.Why is the church the antichrist?Because he has to come back. Amusingly, this is a core Catholic theological belief, that the church will become corrupt before the return.Jesus was neither here as an executive king/ruler, nor was he here as a filthy hippie. He specifically objected to the Pharisee restructuring the scripture Israeli traditions to support the idea a Messiah would come as the son of the god of war to overthrow Rome and establish Israel as the ruling power. This shift in the Pharisee began in earnest after Jerusalem was sacked by Nebuchadnezzar.The modern church is just as much rooted in apostasy as it has simply become a religion of hedonism. Nothing matters except the orgasm and other vectors of pleasure and evil is defined as anything denying such. It's infested with women who get off on the idea of being conquered and they are completely incapable of forming anything resembling a functional theological and moral framework for society.Hence, the sign in the heavens is to reap.
>>538708645My understanding is you can still be in communion if you don't exclusively attend an sspx church
>>538712091>furthermore you participate in cannibalismThat's a dog whistle and a half. Nobody can take you seriously when you start with that old chestnut.It's not 'another' sacrifice, it's the same sacrifice."For the victim is one and the same, the same now offering by the ministry of priests, who then offered Himself on the cross, the manner alone of offering being different." That's dogmatic evidence from the Council of Trent.
>be xtian>worship a guykek no way
>be clergy>man in a dress>rape boysKEK NO WAY
>>538712297That's true, and if you don't actively share their doctrinal positions. However, the faculties of confessions and marriages granted to them by Pope Francis have now been removed.
>>538708392Every catholic donation sponsors boy rape
>>538712302>It's not 'another' sacrifice, it's the same sacrifice.but scripture itself disproves it.Hebrews 928 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.the sacrifice is finished. the priesthood and the sacrifice of animals for sins has been done away with.Jesus blood ONCE on the cross was enough.there is no priesthood, there is no sacrifice, it is FINISHED.you participate in a false gospel. have Faith in the one time sacrifice of Jesus Christ for you. that is the true gospel.John 6Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.”
>>538709397>RomansPaul's letters should be stricken from biblical canon. They are, at best, apocryphal.Christianity, itself, is a largely false branding as it is Paulism as has been practiced for many centuries.The Protestants did well to distance themselves from the Catholics, but the tradition and dogma did considerable damage that doesn't change easily.Paul was the vehicle chosen by the Romans to build a state religion around. To their credit, it worked to unify the regions better than a city state and military could, but what we call Christianity was the woke capture of Rome of its era - the veneration of the foreigner, the demonization of strength, the deference to central authority.Quite literally the false prophet.Keep the writings around for posterity and for reference to the how and why things came to be, but they were divinely inspired insofar as the arrival of the antichrist is the fulfillment of prophecy.
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>>538712504That's your view, I have mine. We're not going to agree, so we're going to have to leave it there. At least we have common ground in the fact that we both have faith in Jesus Christ and truly belive Him to be the Son of God and the Saviour of all mankind.>>538712576As for you, I've got absolutely no clue what you're supposed to be talking about. I think you need to rethink your worldview.That's it from me for now, anons. Godspeed.
>>538712576>the veneration of the foreigner, the demonization of strength, the deference to central authority.That's all written into the Gospels though. Unless you're saying to also get rid of the Gospels written by Saul but then you've got what, the Gospel of Mark left? I guess Revelation too?
>>538708392So stupid. >we're gonna ordain bishops without the church’s permission>you can’t do that, you'll be excommunicated>does it >excommunicated>pikachu faceJesus said the gates of hell won’t prevail against the church. To schism or go start a new church is to despair that Jesus was wrong (impossible). No matter how bad it looks, hell won’t prevail. Simple as. It will probably appear totally lost in the end times. Even if we're reduced to just 12 Christians, there is no excuse to despair. Okay we have some liberal bishops. They’re boomers. They’ll die out and based trad zoomers will fill their spots. Relax. The church is still against homosexuality, abortion, contraception, etc.
>>538708645You can still go to latin mass. It’s a totally valid rite and has been encouraged by the popes. >>538709095I proved you thoroughly wrong last week. You’re still spewing the same bullshit. We looked at the catechism to show you it’s not some “extra” sacrifice but a presentation of the one sacrifice at calvary. We need to repent of some accusation you made you because you know nothing about church history? You need to repent of your ignorant slander of Christ’s one and only church.
>>538709187By definition it does. “Protest”ant. What are they protesting? The church.
>>538712701>>538712849No.Modern Christianity is, primarily, not of Christ. It comes almost exclusively from Paul's teachings and rationale. Paul had a simple problem - why should the goyim care about a teacher, prophet, and even savior of the Jews?Spin a tale about how God sacrificed his son for our sins - sacrifice was widely practiced and understood and a god which would flip the script and sacrifice his son as attonement for our transgressions is appealing.It's not what happened nor the salvation Jesus was here for - but it's transferrable; marketable.
>>538713324>You need to repent of your ignorant slander of Christ’s one and only church.the harlot Babylon? lmaopriests having the authority to bring Christ down from heaven to sacrifice him again? lmao, the audacity.>>but a presentation of the one sacrifice at calvary and anathema it is for you. its the real deal, Calvary over and over again, millions of times around the world every single day.this is ludicrous blood cult levels of retarded.also I dont believe I talked about this last week.
>>538713019No, it is not.About as close as you get to this is the concept of the good Samaritan, wherein Jesus asks who is a better neighbor to the man - his religious leaders who turned their noses up at him, or the man from the hostile country who saw to his treatment?Jesus qualified such things.He did not tell you to go break bread with apostates and idolaters and treat them as equals as Paul did. Are you sure you know Jesus as well as you think you do?
>>538708392God rewards only the really wealthy. Or the wealthy are the ones with God's blessing and seen as most moral. Either way, everyone else suffers, they are blessed on Earth and rarely cursed.
>>538713519The sacrifice exists outside of time for us now and back before Christ so the righteous ancient people could be saved. This is a blatant misunderstanding on your part and I’m not spoonfeeding it to you again. Your position is that the church has been wrong about the eucharist since 33AD and people suddenly got it “right” a couple hundred years ago. Obviously wrong. You will either seek the truth and find it or you won’t. I’m not arguing with a bunch of cobbled together incoherent protestant talking points.
>>538713860who offered all the kingdoms of the world to Jesus?who dishes our material wealth once you bow to him?
>>538714063Dunno, it's all faith and cope I guess.
>>538714031according to he bible Jesus Christ sits on the throne in heaven.there is no calvary outside of time you can participate in.>about the eucharist since 33ADthe eucharist came much much later.the apostles and early believers had actual meals together.Paul didnt call out Peter for hypocrisy over the eucharist, but actual eating.>I’m not arguing withyoure not arguing at all, just spouting your romanist brainwashing.
>>538714121>Dunnoits satan, he is the ruler of this world.
>>538708392No one want to be part of a judaized and niggerfied church lol
>>538709843>pagancuck memeflag poonadian talking about sectsjeetnigger award
>>538708752so then you shouldn't care, if you think there is only nihilism and then there is no morality bc there would be no consequences and murdering and torturing you brutally yes?
>>538714031Amen, half of the shit regurgitated by Protestants are rabbinical heresies pushed upon them. These niggers need to read Summa Theologica and fast
>>538714228Seems God has little power huh? We're supposed to believe he's so powerful yet has no power here? What makes us so sure "Satan" didn't also take over "heaven" too then?
>>538714203>the eucharist came much much laterNo it didn’t. St. Ignatius of Antioch affirmed it and literally studied under John the Apostle. It’s in the didache which was written at the time Matthew was written. You’re dead wrong about this
>>538714325>half of the shit regurgitated by Protestants are rabbinical heresies pushed upon themSo true. They’re literally missing 7 old testament books because they switched to the jewish canon (masoretic text) that was compiled 1000 years after Christ that censors prophecies of him. They listened to jews that hate Jesus over the church
>>538714329because with God you dont have to fear satan.>>538714366>St. Ignatius of Antioch affirmed ithe literally talks about meals.not the ritualized pagan practice of a cracker and a sip.
>>538714325>rabbinical heresiesI just need to read the catechism of the RCC and all its talmudic pilpul around the scripture to know its just pharisees 2.0.
>>538714546>he literally talks about mealsTry reading
>>538714606Ignatius hammers it down that the eucharist is about unity of the believers in one body.in romanism the eucharist is about another calvary where Jesus is sacrificed for sins.they are not the same.
>>538714546 "He literally talks about meals" is the Protestant meme that dies hardest. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrnaeans, circa 107 AD: "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again." This is a man who studied directly under John the Apostle. He is not talking about a potluck. He is describing a group who broke from the Church precisely because they denied the Eucharist was Christ's body. The Didache, written while apostles were still alive, calls the Eucharist "the sacrifice" and warns that only the baptized may receive it because "the Lord has said, Do not give what is holy to dogs." This is not a meal. It is the fulfillment of Malachi 1:11: "from the rising of the sun to its setting, a pure offering will be made to my name." Justin Martyr, 155 AD, First Apology: "We do not receive these as common bread and common drink. The food which has been made Eucharist is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh." The historical record is unanimous from the apostolic age until the Reformation. The cracker-and-sip dismissal is an argument from incredulity, not from evidence. The burden is on you to explain why every Christian writer for 1500 years got this wrong and a 16th century German lawyer figured it out.
>>538715020>Ignatius hammers it down…In his Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ignatius asserts: "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again".The "Medicine of Immortality": In his Letter to the Ephesians, he describes the Eucharistic bread as "the medicine of immortality, and the antidote to prevent us from dying, but [that we might] live forever in Jesus Christ".>another calvaryWrong. Lying is a sin
>>538715622>The burden is on youI just have to quote the scripture.> 20 When you come together, it is not the Lord's supper that you eat. 21 For in eating, each one goes ahead with his own meal. One goes hungry, another gets drunk. 22 What! Do you not have houses to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I commend you in this? No, I will not.they were eating meals at the Lords Supper. Paul corrected them in the way they are to eat since they feasted like pagans instead of glorifying the Lord.those who had not were going hungry.again, its a meal in unity with charity and giving to those that have not.this is totally contrary to the eucharist as it is practiced in the RCC.
>>538715911>Wrong. Lying is a sinread your own damn catechism.scroll up and read the convo I had with the brit.
>>538714546Who fears Satan? Do you think atheists or Hindus fear Satan? What about billionaires who openly mock God? So you're saying fearing Satan is more powerful than fearing God because God never punishes while Satan does?
>>538716256>Do you think atheists or Hindus fear Satan?they are under him.>What about billionaires who openly mock God?they worship him.>God because God never punishes while Satan does?satan rewards, we are to fear God and his punishment.
>>538716413See, it's all just faith and cope statements with big assumptions that seem meaningless and vague.
>>538716135I have. You are maliciously misreading it because you want your lie to be true. No catholic thinks it’s another sacrifice. You made that up. >>5387160911) notice the moment you’re proven wrong about ignatius you just ignore that and move on to something else. You’re still wrong about ignatius. You are wrong about the didache. You’re wrong about scripture 2) this passage emphasizes real presence. Paul says “don’t you have homes to eat in?” There is a distinction between an ordinary meal and the eucharist. They, like you, mistook this for mere bread and wine and filled themselves, profaning the body of the Lord. Finish the passage. "Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord.""Anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself."What “meal” needs discernment of Christ’s body and blood and where is this meal today?
>>538716478the elites openly tell you they worship satan at this point. read the room.>>538716562I literally just quoted scripture to you. 1 Cor 11.>What “meal” needs discernment of Christ’s body and blood and where is this meal today?was the last supper just a sip and bite for the disciples?no, Jesus had a meal with them. the disciples were filled and fell asleep while Jesus prayed because of that.
>>538716825And they're doing well. What's your point? God doesn't punish them. He seems to reward them even more. Read the room?
>>538716562also Ignatius was a converted jew, he was familiar with the passover traditions which were in fact real meals.
>>538716912Jesus said we are to make treasures in heaven, not on earth.
MY ADVICE WOULD BE TO "GENOCIDE" ALL CHRISTKIKES
>>538716990Oh so it's all cope then to trick us to be ok with "our lot in life" and hope that heaven actually exists when we're dead.
>>538708752Christ is king.
>>538717200nigger, this life is like a N64 game compared to the real deal.
>>538717260Still coping
>>538717230>t. I’m brown
>>538717286>just wageslave for 50 years and then die lmaoyou are the one who copes
>>538716961No, he wasn’t. He was the first Gentile to become a bishop. Where do you even get this shit?>>538716825The quantity of food is completely irrelevant. You don’t know what you’re talking about.
>>538717448Are you doing anything different? Do you think believing in a heaven makes any difference? Maybe you can feel a little more smug about thinking that? Oh wow.
>>538708392the See has been vacant since before AvignonChrist is Kingthe Church Fathers wrote that church is founded on Peter's good confession that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, not built on the Apostle Simon Peter.
>>538717516>The quantity of food is completely irrelevant. You don’t know what you’re talking about.did Jesus have a meal with his disciples at the last supper?
>>538717624no, it makes me incredibly sad knowing how much you resist God to your own demise.
>>538717880Oh the pity card to feel smug? Did all the past ancestors not enter heaven cause they werent christian? Did all the others who did not know God but still acted good not enter heaven? Do you think anyone gives a crap about your own self righteous feelings?
>>538717880Do you really think you are going to enter heaven yourself? Are you the one to judge?
>>538717843You’ve been proven wrong on every single point you’ve tried to make, and now you’re playing a semantic game to the point your “argument” hinges on the word “meal”. Wrong about Ignatius. Wrong about the didache. Wrong about scripture. Wrong about the catechism. Wrong about the Eucharist.
>>538718021>Did all the past ancestors not enter heaven cause they werent christian? Did all the others who did not know God but still acted good not enter heaven?read the bible. it answers these question.Romans by Paul.>>538718073no, God makes sure of that.humans cant enter heaven by themselves.
>>538718250just because you say so doesnt make me wrong.who cares about Ignatius, care about the Word!and according to the word Jesus celebrated the last supper with a meal the last time with his disciples.so what is it? scripture or human tradition?
>>538708392>What do you guys think of this?The abrahamic religions need to be stamped out. The white man needs to free himself of these poisonous jewish fairy tales.
>>538718338It’s in scripture too. You need to research it yourself. I can’t convince you you’re missing pieces to the puzzle and saying blatantly untrue things about the Catholic Church.
>>538718262Did Paul quote Jesus or just answer based on his own feelings?
>>538708392>What do you guys think of this?Nothing at all.The defining feature of christkikery has been chronic betrayal of White people, and petty back stabbing over minor differences in jew worship. It is an obsolete argument of an obsolete faith.
>>538708392What's the issue?
>>538718908the RCC teaches contrary to the scripture>Passover lamb>Feast of unleavened Bread>the Last Supper>Marriage Supper of the Lamb>Paul on the last supper>deacons not to have too much wineetc etcthe bible is filled with meals in union.but enjoy your cracker and sip I guess...>>538718959Paul always quotes scripture.how many people outside of Israel were saved in the gospel?JaphethMidianitesNinevehBabylonRahabNaamanCyrusthe Samaritansits all over the OT
>>538708645Larper
>>538708752>>538716540>>538718623Prove it
>>538708392HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!!
>>538712297you are in full communion even if you attend sspx because the pope is a fag loving pope you dont have to obey his v2 bs. disobedience does not constitute schism. If anything it is more dangerous to attend the heretical new mass because you will lose your faith. >>538713401the post conciliar church literally made changes to appeal to protestants i.e fag loving, mass in the vernacular, less focus on the eucharist, blessing remarried coupled etc. Yeah bro the quran kissing pope totally has the best interest of the church in mind.
>>538708934>speaking latin = continuation of Christ's sacrifice on earth.There a special name for idolatry over language? >>538724205How much do they pay you?
>>538708645I'm not Catholic, how do you understand what's going on if you don't know Latin? Wouldn't you want to have mass in a language you understand?
>>538724205Plenty of evidence that Jesus existed based on all that is written about Him from various non-Christian sources. There are a few fringe people that try to argue he was a made up deity that people worshipped but that's a fringe view. You might as well say that Socrates never existed.
>>538712297>>538712440No. If you know they've been excommunicated and still participate in their masses you incur excommunication too. If you know full well what has happened then you share their positions.Also for all the schismatic Lefebrians in here the Novus Ordo is a valid mass, just like the 20 other non-TLM rites like the Byzantine that have been in the Church for millennia are valid. The Church has never been exclusively in latin, and the GIRM for the NO was written in Latin anyway. The TLM is celebrated by other orders.Stop being proud and boastful and repent. Stop following a dangerous cult and return to actual tradition and obedience, not larping tradition.
>>538727722ZERO non biblical sources. Kys KIKE.
>>538727633The Holy Spirit at Pentacost enabled the apostles to talk to spread the Gospel in their own languages, but the Lefebrian cult works against the Holy Spirit.
