How did Mua'dib manage to genocide 61 billion people and sterilize 90 planets in 12 years using only 2 million sword wielding sandniggers from planet dunecoon?
>>538708734Just as fake as the "Bajoran Holocaust"
>>538708734the spacers guild was compliant and had more a hand than anyone will ever admit >pic related
>>538708734>civilians>badly trained house militias>naval blockadesDoable.
>>538708734Lots and lots of bad writing
>>538708734basically he had the guild by the balls so every planet that resisted was immediately put under complete and total economic siege, combined with the guild shipping in infinity psychotic sandniggers who were trained in magic kung-fu.
>>538708734>no guns>army comprised of space arabs who stab each other for fun and sport>controls the spice, have the spacing guild nerds by the balls>can see through time>twisted mentat at your side for when you need a second opinion If anything 61 billion was going easy.
>>538708734>>>/lit/>>>/tv/
>>538709252First dune thread?
Dune books:1st - classic2nd - Meh3rd - Meh4th - good again... don't bother reading any others
>>538708734Same way how Western Europe fall to them, someone helped.
>>538708734I read the first 3 books and the series definitely peaked with the 1st entry.
>>538708734If you strangle someone it takes 10-15 minutes for permanent brain damage, so around 15 minutes to kill them.4 per hour32 per work day160 per work week480 per month, say 500 because you love your jobThat's 6000 per year, per person.You can do the math from here.
>>538708734if anything sterilizing 90 planets and killing 61 billion means the population densities per planet are incredibly low that's less than 700,000,000 per planet
>>538708734I had a monopoly on the Spicy noodles trade... but the only sprinkled tiny amount on his own noodle
>>538709501The 1st and 3rd were the only ones with actual plot. 4th is a fever dream of political essays and bad world building.>... don't bother reading any othersIt's not worth it
>>538709642>Common sensible takeDune + Messiah > God Emperor > Children = Heretics > Chapterhouse >Parrot opinionGod Emperor > Dune + Messiah > Shit > Children > Heretics > Chapterhouse>those with superior taste (my taste)Heretics > Children > Dune + Messiah > God Emperor > Shit > Kike shit > Chapterhouse
>>538708734Spice monopoly. 80% of these victims simply starved.
>>538709501Is it true that Dune in the US has a status of successful product competing against Tolkien?I mean until 90s, it's obvious that zoomers and millennials are absolutely clueless about it.
Doing the math it does seem possible assuming we're talking earth years >4383 days >average 1,391,741 people a day >each sandnigger keeps a quota of about .70 people a day they could theoretically pull it off in 12 years with swords
>>538709955First two books were good. Books after that were not so good.>it's that shrimple>Kike shitAnd you mean that literally. Which book does the rabbi and his little group of chosenites show up? Got pretty damn difficult to actually finish the entire series after book 3 or 4.>not that the cringe is limited to a bunch of kikesHell, I'll even take the second prequel trilogy over that, but obviously I simply gave up on this "series". Should anyone read the Brian Herbert books?>NoIt takes enough stamina to sit through the Frank Herbert ones.>Sardaukar-tier stamina and stupidityI'll take the Gom Jabbar over going through this again.
>>538710283You think they had any qualms about using atomics? Did you miss the part about planets getting ye olde Exterminatus?>nevermind embargo and starvationMost of it simply was a blockade and mopping-up operation, with the occasional Sardaukar (or House militia) acting up and dying horribly and orbital bombardement.
>>538709955>MessiahIt's the worst book of the 6
>>538709501I'm in Messiah rn and it's really good but more overt than Dune 1, which could be reread endlessly to pickup subtlty Messiah is all plot no real heavy questions (that aren't setup for answers)I also own an axolotl so I found in charming how the guildsmen are in an axolotl tank
>>538708734you literally said the answer. cuz he didn't use white trash. he used brown people. 1 brown person can kick the ass of 1 billion white trash vermin and their momma.
1st book is a classic, one of the best sci-fi books ever written. As usual when a nerd ends up doing something based and actually good, Frank spent the rest of his career apologizing for Dune.
>>538708734Hes the kwisatz haderach you dumb nigger
>>538710835>sci-fi booksYou mean space fantasy
>>538708734Those numbers are greatly inflated, and most died of starvation and space typhus due to (((Harkonnen))) attacks on civilian spice supply lines
>>538710283>>538710635Although I'm not sure.. didn't they employ bio weapons too? Not that it is explored in detail within the first 6 books, and fuck whatever Brian Herbert made up.
>>538710784Kill yourself, nigger-kike filth.
>>538708734Sure
>>538710781>kobobased
>>538710932No, no, actually that's Connor MacLeod or whoever it was after getting cloned a gazillion times and pulling his other memory from his cloned ass.>and other retarded nonsenseJesus fuck I don't even want to think about it.>let's revive everybody as a clone and throw them into a No-ship hehe gotta keep this shit-show alive somehow by bringing back every single dead character and shidding and farding
It was more like 270 million
>>538711226Children of Dune - that's where it should have ended
>>538708734it wasn't only 2 million fremen. he had the military resources of the entire imperium.and I would say that the demoralization did 80% of the job.
>>538711468JFC the very assumption that the military tech can get stuck for millennia, and remain stuck in the same state during a collapse and hot interplanetary war, is so braindead W40K appears to be a well- thought masterpiece in comparison
Cool book. The idea was a military upbringing of superior quality combined with eugenics could produce soldiers who easily dispatch their lessers without many losses, due to the nature of shield and dagger fighting.ofc they were never as good as the bene gesserit's breeds.As for how so many, look at the Rwanda genocide.
>>538711690It was a plot device because herbert wanted to write something different to what the rest of sci fi was doing at the time, its part of what madenthe series so iconic.
>>538712626No, it was because Dune started as anti- LOTR and the author had a thing for Lawrence of Arabia.
>>538708734>howfucking psychedelic drugs that increase longevity, intelligence, and prescience. We have meth and shrooms, while that may work for like a week, its bad for long campaigns.
>>538711690But WH40k is even more silly in that 99% of the high technology actually was fucking lost instead of merely stagnating?>instead of you know, keeping the plans on a backup drive or somethingFinding a piece of storage media from 20000 years ago is a big ass groundbreaking discovery and also heretical,although it's not hard to see where WH40k got its "inspiration" from.>when your peak technology is a WW1 tank with some technobabble slapped onBut hey, at least it's not actually meant to be taken seriously.
Dune's world is cool. A million different scriveners have wrote Sci-Fi books, usually low effort farts of their imagination. Anyone can do it.Especially the political structure of the book, very cool.>Hey Grok, how many publishers rejected Dune before publishing?>23OY VEY
>>538712794Book was never about promoting LSD like these new movies.Duke Leto rescuing the crew of the spice trawler scene could have been taken nearly word for word for the book. But in Hollywood they just turned it into "LMAO Paul is getting all high off the spice! His power level is rising."Lame and subversive. I only watched the first film, and it was the first movie I've watched in ages. The war visuals were nice, it was total trash otherwise.
>>538710781Messiah is basically an afterword for Dune. Children is a forward to God Emperor. >>538709887eh, the 4th is a pretty unique work.>>538710477the jews show up in book 5, i can't remember if it comes out in book 6 or in books 7/8 but they ended up being shapeshifting face dancers and they killed them. If it was in 7 I'm sure it was out of Frank's notes, his basedboy son wouldn't have pulled that. But yeah the entire "wowowow look member all these guys from the first books? they're back!!" plot point was kind of retarded. and obviously the brian books are an abomination and there is no way the main thrust of that story was out of his dad's notes.
>>538713180>But hey, at least it's not actually meant to be taken seriouslyBecause W40K started as a wacky dark comedy of a setting, in the style of 2000 AD comics. I use the comparison here for a reason.Herbert was simply a bad writer. Or rather a good writer dealing with something that was far beyond his capabilities. World building left completely up to the imagination while the fucker just skips from one scene to another.>Science fiction with just a few descriptions of the technology>War without any description of warfare>Interstellar economy without... etc
>>538708908>the space-merchant guildThe spice must flow goyim
>>538713665No shit? It's not that good.Dune gets dug up only when there's an incoming release of video game or movie. I caught up with it when there was a hype for Dune 2000.
>>538713665Read the later books when literal jews get introduced and rabbis become a literal faction. Seriously, look it up.
>>538710784Slit all nigger throats
>>538711690miltech stagnated because they had an eternal holy roman empire scenario but without any external parties, and because one guild controlled all interstellar travel, and any technology designed to circumvent this was banned on a deep religious-superstition level. Do you think the HRE would have advanced if the Emperor and guilds didn't have to contend with France and other external powers? It's a similar deal in China, during periods of Chinese hegemony, Chinese military technology did not tend to advance because there was no point in it. In fact it risked destabilizing the empire and its tributary states, so it was actively discouraged. The most famous scenario was the Ming purposefully banning maritime trade in the 14th century, largely because it was empowering both merchants and pirates both of whom undermined the power of nobility. Then you had Leto purposefully fostering human stagnation. In books 5 and 6 the technology is different and more advanced because Leto purposefully shattered the political system after spending centuries at its logical conclusion of neo-oriental despotism.
>>538713908>eh, the 4th is a pretty unique work.4th book>you know more about an irrelevant bar where staff adds salt to the beer than about the whole world around it>and it's the least issue thereUnique
>>538713665>Especially the political structure of the book, very cool.yawn, it's just an American-centric allegory for the times when it was written the spice is oilArrakis is the middle eastthere's saudis, jews, soviets, etc.
HOW THE FUCK HAS THIS NOT GOTTEN A REMAKE?! >Book 10/10>Movie - 2/10
>>538709501Spoilers for the final book turns out the Quesitch Hederack were all the Duncan Idaho clones that we killed along the way Fucking garbage series the prequels are okay though Frank Herbert should have just wrote them instead of letting his son in a ghostwriter do it
>>538709724LOL no I can strangle you to death in 2 minutes flat buddy your neck bones would be popping
>>538714453The movie ends halfway into the book too, it's fucking retarded.
>>538710781wait until you find out what that tank actually is
>>538714493Frank died you stupid fucking miggermutt
>>538714533You can't and won't do shit you gay fat bitch
He didn't. It's degenerate fiction.
>>538714582Nigger memeflag is a nigger
>>538714250It's impossible to have a medieval stagnation when the environment is already saturated with technology.Every single thing you have is a product coming from the top of a huge pyramid made of industry and services.It's already wrong in case of arrakis. It may be the most backward place in the universe and the population may be kept in such state on purpose just like nigger miners in Africa, but even African shitholes have a modern downtown.It gets worse when Herbert mentions Caladan rice farmers using anti- gravity sticks. A fucking medieval chink farmer with an anti- gravity stick.It's W40K but worse.
>>538714690Usa flag is a miggermutt confirmed. Praises Israel, sucks black pp and votes against its own self interest. Truly a country of retards
>>538714385>One corporation controls all production>Hereditary Lords compete for who get's the directorships and profits>Powerful witches conspire to control men of political value and deny them influence over their offspring>The apparent antagonist is a morbidly obese pederast with a genius business accumen.blah blah blah the spice is oil. Put it in your master's thesis.
>>538710444>to be fair, he came ahead of the right times ...o7
>>538710781>Duncan:)
>>538714385Is an Ayn Rand phonebook screed with 18 page paragraphs more your idea of entertainment? You shouldn't think your smart killing time.
>>538714799If you wanna argue against the later books of the series, sure, go ahead. Indeed, like so much sci-fi it just becomes imaginative farts. Cyborg tigers, cloning, and apparently rice farmers with anti-gravity sticks. In the end Herbert wanted more shekels so he wrote more stuff then handed off the franchise.The first book is special. And i won't say it's "special to me." it is a very cool book, period.
>>538714799>It's W40K but worse.We shall see about that ...^^
>>538708734Sci-fi about sand nigger religion.
>>538714800Nigger nigger is a nigger
>>538708734Orbital bombardment?Any scifi space story that involves land battles is retarded because they ignore Newtonian physics. The moment a fleet captures the space above a planet, that planet is captured, since it can be flattened from space without a fight.
>>538715295Low iq migamuttYour cuntry is a joke just like your little white pp that is cut and doesn't even work
>>538715154The rice farmers with anti- gravity sticks were mentioned in the original Dune.It's a good read but you can't pretend the world building isn't a paper thin facade over Herbert being completely clueless.
>>538715385Thinking about strangers cocks is gayNo exceptions
>>538715385>t. seething euronigger
>>538715374Halo lore actually fixes this, the covenant can glass any human world from orbit, but sends down ground troops to get forerunner artifacts.
>>538708734>90 planets "sterilized">61 billion people killedThat's like 680 million residents per planet. What kind of backwater shitholes was this retard jihading? What a fuckin' joke.
>>538708734Ahem...Space Jews
>>538714913>>One corporation controls all productionoh wow it's OPEC>>Hereditary Lords compete for who get's the directorships and profitsoh wow so it's OPEC but European and feudal >>Powerful witches conspire to control men of political value and deny them influence over their offspringoh wow the papacy decides who can be king how fresh >a morbidly obese pederast with a genius business accumen.okay now srsly I'm duly impressedHerbert predicted Trump
>>538708734>muh 61 billionIt didn't happenThey deserved it
>>538715093>more your idea of entertainment?akchually the thing I enjoyed most was Tolkien reimagining the Bible in Silmarillion
all those killscan't even into freedom
>>538715959>TDSkys leftie
>>538716449>TDSssij pisowską pałę
>>538709955Chapterhouse gets screwed because it was a clear setup for book 7 which never came. The Futars were silly but the Honored Matres were a good nemesis, and the greater nemesis hinted at the end REALLY set us up for a Matrix-style transcendent end to the series. Sadly fucking Herbert had to die, oh well. >>538710283For the Duke!>>538714565Yo mamma Hard to read series, but still worth reading. If only so you can claim supremacy over the mere movie-going rabble who will swallow whatever shit Villeneuve flushes upon them. Bet you he won't bring up the space Jews.
>>538714453Oh shit i didnt know there was a book!
>>538709501Incorrect, 5 and 6 are great
>>538710781Guildsmen aren't the ones in axlotl tanks anon. They use tanks of spice gas (since they're colossal users and addicts).The axlotl tanks are used by a group called the Bene Tleilax who use them basically for genetic engineering and cloning.
>>538714453Because everyone outside the cult has rightfully decided fuck L Ron. Not that difficult to figure out. Also he couldn't write for shit. And that poor cow lmao.
>>538716577twojemu rudemu kundlowi grunt się pali pod dupą
>>538708734Plot armour
>>538716843>rudemu kundlowiale dość już o twoim ojcu, któreg matka ci nawet nie przedstawiła, tak jej było wstyd
>>538708734Never read the books but isn't that his kid?
>>538710932Quiznos hat rack
>>538716877>wykop leftie>sees USA everywhere, hates it>shit book taste>seething when others call him outpetarda w dupę i fruniesz stąd cioto
>>538717069>fruniesz stąd ciototak do ciebie mówili w szkolnym kiblu?nic dziwnego że do dziś masz uraz
>>538708734Vasily Blokhin personally carried out thousands of executions, often using German-made Walther pistols to avoid jamming and to deflect blame onto the Nazis. His most notorious episode was in 1940, when he executed roughly 7,000 Polish officers and intellectuals over 28 nights, averaging about 250 killings per night in a soundproof basement. He wore a leather apron and gloves, treating the process like grim factory work, and his efficiency earned him decorations from the Soviet state.Blokhin’s methods were chillingly bureaucratic: victims were led into a chamber, shot in the back of the head, and their bodies removed through a secondary door to waiting trucks. This conveyor-like system reflected the industrial scale of Stalinist repression. Beyond Katyn, Blokhin oversaw executions during the Great Purge, targeting military leaders, political opponents, and ordinary citizens accused of disloyalty. His career illustrates how authoritarian regimes weaponized individuals to embody systemic terror.He killed an estimated 25,000 people personally.(median)So the numbers just about work out, if every single one of them were about like Vasily. That being said, many of the deaths were likely second and third order effects rather than primary ones.
>>538717190>personally carried out thousands of executionsI wish to live to do this myself Imagine killing thousands of your enemies personally regardless of whatever side you are on
>>538715553Says the miggermutt prepping other men in gangbangs
>>538709501>chapterhouse of dune - magically there's jews on giedi prime!I stopped reading here.
>>538716775So cloning Duncan endlessly is not only ethically moral but accepted practice
>>538714555checkedIt only covered chapter 2, 7, 11, & 20. out of 40 chapters>>538716707one of the better sci-fi books imo. Didn't know who Hubbard was when I read it. Looking back, i can see how it was a springboard for him, but no overt or subtle scientology shit (just having aliens doesn't count)>>538716830sure, fuck him. only thing of his I read but I found it very enjoyable as teen. From my memory it would still hold decently today. No woke shit either.
>>538718108Well. That's something the story explores I guess.
>>538717638>the left can only projectDo you often think of prepping men in a gangbang?
>>538708734OY VEY
>>538708734when you’re a chad genocide 61 billion is child’s play
>>538709501Dune books:Dune 10/10Messiah 10/10Children 8/10God Emperor 6/10rest shit/10
>>538718166Alia is actually and forever the best girl
>>538708734He squished them one by one with his own body He was an angry lil' worm
>>538714453i watched this under very neutral termsit is severely underrated, it has its momentsbut like, its maybe just a 5-6 instead of a 2the visuals are quite compelling, although the hue can be draining at timesi just see it as some sci-fi flick and the story is just basically b-movie retardismthats its AA production value, for B style and plot and cheesinessits just icing on the cake, man
>>538709407what are anons opinions on the new movies?
>>538718945Villeneuve calls the movies Part 1, Part 2 etc to sidestep any need to stick to the original book form...It's gonna bite him in the ass if he makes it all the way to Heretics/Chapterhouse. Not great, not terrible. But bear in mind that not all books are translatable to film without leaving massive plot holes or simply ignoring entire characters and subplots.If he actually mentions the space Jews I will respect him for not shying away from what clearly became the most sensitive topic of the novels over time. I don't even care if they're portrayed in a good or bad light, I'll be impressed that he showed them. He won't, watch Part IV or Part V be the ultimate ending with the death of the worm god. That's safe territory and a convenient ending point, beyond that he might be approached and politely "asked" to end it there. We won't know for a while ofc.
>>538708734Just here to say in this DUNE thread that the SCI FI channel which became SCI FY or whatever's miniseries of Dune and Children of Dune are the absolute best versions to this day despite dated CGI. The old Lynch version is OK but the new versions sucks fucking ass.I remember in the scene with the box in the new version and they didn't even have Paul fucking pray whilst doing it. I told my wife at that exact moment that the entire new movies would be shit as the prayer was integral to the fact of who Paul was and that his mother covertly trained him in the ways of the Bene Gesserit
>>538719291>if he makes it all the way to Heretics/Chapterhouse.He said Messiah was the last one
>>538709501>4th - good againAh yes because some guy who turned himself into a giant worm and started selectively breeding a specific line of people with a single man over and over again is somehow good writing. The more and more you go into the series, the more and more Herbert's weird fetishes are exposed. It climaxes in I think Chapterhouse where a young version of I think the same guy (possibly Herbert's self insert) defeats a member of a sex cult in sex and describes it in graphic detail.
>>538719432Well there you go. Might also be a marketing ploy to let things digest for a bit and then have a renewed interest for the worm god and golden path plotlines. We'll see.
>>538719407Yes to this, it's a shame they never did God-Emperor. Maybe they just couldn't get believable effects, but I'm sure they could've made something work. Oh well.
>>538708734The (((Facedancers))) greatly exaggerated the body count. Impartial representatives from the Suk school only had accounted for about 270 million, mostly from preventable spice withdrawal when the Great Houses hoarded their supplies from their populations during the jihad.
>>538718488 I read the series for the first time in middle school, her naked sword training scene in Dune Messiah was a sort of sexual awakening for me; absolute diamonds. Also, Heil Hitler. I love how Herbert alludes to the fact that Paul is directly descended from ol' Uncle Addie and actually manages to humanize him to some degree, something most Boomer sci-fi writers were completely incapable of.
>>538718175Keep seething you ignorant migger bitch. The whole world wants your cuntry destroyed. And it's been great watching beaners take over and your women breed your Israel loving race out of existence
>>538721072You jeets will all be gassed in the new world order
