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>>538716998truth is OCCD (obsessive compulsive certanity distorder) is rampant in societyalso saying "god" is imaginary seem to trigger these people for some reason
>>538716998HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>538716998Atheists are souless and never created anything
>>538717466Correct soul doesn't exist like afterlife but Atheists use their brain unlike you theists
>>538716998but you listed the third position; it's "fuck if I know", which is the sole & only logical position
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>>538718115>There's a third option to an either or propositionStatus theist
>>538718061That picture is as real as this one.
>>538716998I can confidently say that i know nothing
Whats the category for "i dont give a shit if god exists or not and will not give a shit even if proven to exist"?
>>538716998Atheists are the type of fools that think the stock market is predictable. Past performance is not indicative of future results, or if one prefers, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence (you can't prove a negative)Thus the only logical stance is agnosticism.
>>538718432>either you firmly believe there is a god or you firmly believe there is no god which are effectively the same tier of belief based on fuck allif no third option exists than that bitch has no third hole
>>538718516There is no such thing as "agnosticism"
>>538718592https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnosticism
>>538718516I dont see you jumping off a roof because past inability to fly doesnt prove future inability to fly though.
>>538718655I don't see you crawling into the lion exhibit at the zoo because Daniel survived
>>538718694I saw jack who didnt survive.
>>538718115Logic leads directly to gnostic theism. Pure reason alone proves God's existence beyond doubt. The only issue is that so few people allow themselves to follow reason.
>>538718761>Pure reason alone proves God's existence beyond doubt.*mental gymnastics, you mean
>>538718747so does that disprove Daniel?
>>538718802Mental gymnastics are what's required to avoid acknowledging a first cause. Which you've already taken your first step to performing. Rather than responding in good faith, with a question such as "what is this proof you speak of", you've already started your bad faith performance by insisting that there is not and cannot be proof. You aren't engaging with the question honestly and unbiasedly.
>>538718817I accept your consession. Do a backflip.
>>538718655Man has already been flying for over a century
>>538718902So do a backflip
>>538718857...so what is this "proof" you speak of>>538718866no a concession is ignoring a question and saying "I-I accept your concession" instead
>>538718938Your whataboutism is not an argument. And you ignored mine >>538718655 in the first place.
>well you see, you exist, so that's proof God is realmy and your existence is reliant on multiple mass extinction events wiping out most of what lived here before>>538718975not a question and wasn't even aimed at me>I saw someone killed by lions so I don't believe someone can avoid being killed by lions on faith aloneso Daniel is disproved?
>>538718938The proof is in the nature of cause and effect. If every effect has a cause, which it must, then logic necessarily leads us to accept that there must be a first cause which is itself uncaused. A first cause would be outside of time, since it's the cause of time. Outside of location, since it's the cause of location, in pre-possess all things in existence, because all things in existence are derived from it, and the sole creative force since you logically cannot have two firsts. This would be definition make it omnipresent, eternal, omniscient and perfectly one. Existence as we know it cannot be made up of an infinite recursion of effects, because an infinite recursion can't subsist on itself. So existence must originate and terminate in a first cause, otherwise all known logical principles are being thrown out the window.
>>538719106>This would be definition make it omnipresent, eternal, omniscient and perfectly one.and the universe itself can't be this on its own with no original creator, like God had no creator, because?
>>538719106>If every effect has a cause, which it mustWrong
>>538719025You answered to my post so you made it aimed at you. Feel free to adress it if you want more (you)s.
>>538719163without the omniscient part, btw, which when applied to God permanently and indisputably disproves benevolence>>538719173I accept your concession[spoiler]that's how you actually use that, yw[/spoiler]
>>538719163If the universe is all of those things, then the universe is God. All you're doing is changing the name from "God" to "universe", which is a distinction without a difference. It makes no sense to say "this perfect creative force and the source of all truth holds the secret to my happiness and well-being, but I won't live my life according to its precepts because it has the wrong name". If we know that existence has a first cause, which we do, and we know that Truth is the identity of this first cause, which we do because nothing can exist before Truth exists, and we know that reason is the way in which we abide by Truth, which we do, because there's no other pathway to Truth than through reason, then we know we ought to be living our lives in accordance with reason and that we ought to self abnegate.
>>538719242Well have a last pity (you), dont spend it on drugs or lion exhibitions. Ciao!
>>538719242That doesn't make any sense. Existence's benevolence can be proven even without discussing God or omniscience. There is absolutely nowhere anywhere in existence that suffering is pointless. All pain points to a lesson that must be learned. This alone makes it clear that existence is good and benevolent, that Truth is synonymous with Love. Or in Platonic terms, that we exist in the best of all possible worlds.
>>538719388and this paragraph is not mental gymnastics, because?the sun is more directly responsible for your & my existence than the universe, btw, since that can exist without ever resulting in us>>538719390>he couldn't resist replying againI accept your surrender>>538719442>There is absolutely nowhere anywhere in existence that suffering is pointless. All pain points to a lesson that must be learned.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Scully
>everything created nothing, dumbass>all the everything was rolled up real tight together in a single point the size of the period at the end of this sentence, so tight that there wasn't hardly any nothing for the everything to expand into>and then, one day, for no reason at all>the everything blew up so hard that the tiny little bit of nothing it was in blew up EVEN FASTER>in fact the nothing blew up so fast that it's going to pull all the everything apart or snap back like a rubber band one day and smush all the everything back down again>anyway, then all the everything filled up the big nothing>most of the everything is made up of stuff that doesn't interact with light but still affects gravity so we've never interacted with it, and we've never found any of the everything that is any different from the everything we have at home>out of all this chaos, of course a set of perfectly ordered and uniform rules universally emerged>completely at random and all by itself, no help neededthat's youthat's what you sound like
>>538719498It's not mental gymnastics because it follows perfect impartial reasoning. Your posts are the ones laced with emotion, which makes your posts mental gymnastics. Reason can never be dishonest and it never leads anywhere other than the truth.
>>538716998You're a fucking idiot. But I'm not gonna waste my time trying to fix your egotistical athiest delusions. of grandeur.God is bigger than you, and God will smite you if you aren't careful.Take the journey and learn to understand him before it's too late.
>>538718505So what do i call this? Like seriously the implication that if god exists then i automatically worship him bothers me, what if i tell him to suck a dick and leave me alone instead?
>>538716998HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!!!
>>538719584>Your posts are the ones laced with emotion?can you greentext this "emotion", or would that make your "point" there look ridiculous
>>538719609>what if i tell him to suck a dick and leave me alone instead?then you go to hell, because the one thing God apparently can't handle is bants about himself
>>538719632Your tone has been distrusting and adversarial, and you've been trying to "get one over" on other people's arguments instead of weighing them impartially. Your behavior hasn't been the model of impartiality. You're very clearly defensive of a particular view, which you intend to defend even at logic's expense.
>>538719761>doesnt answer the questionUgh fine here is another (you), now begone filthy beggar.
>>538717131>someway paganlarpers don't feel offended by atheistic copegrim
>>538719816>can you greentext this "emotion", or would that make your "point" there look ridiculousso that's the latter of those, then, and all you have is more mental gymnastics; gotcha>>538719835>doesn't like tha answer given>"you didn't answer the question"I accept your surrender (again)
>but will he surrender a third time?
What if its not a lack of certainty but a total lack of consideration?For example i don't care whether i can find arguments for or against God. I have been constipated for two weeks.
>>538719933if you prayed and took a laxative, how could you know which one actually worked
>>538718505liar
>>538716998The problem is 99% of humanity are litteral cattle, and the 1% are mentaly ill.So yeah, you don't want those people to be open for some new age bullshit like the woke or lgbtqx+ cult or some shit copy pasting religion scam like the scientology
>>538719907Replying to logical arguments with "that's mental gymnastics" is mental gymnastics. If you were anything but wrong, you would have addressed the arguments on their own merits and disproven them using an equal show of reason. The fact that you simply tried to sidestep the arguments I provided means that you agree with both the premises and the conclusion which those premises lead to, but you simply don't want to accept it for personal reasons. If you had any objections whatsoever to the premises or their conclusion, you would have been able to voice those objections. So as it stands, you've just conceded that God in fact must exist.
>>538716998Jesus Christ is:The WayThe TruthThe Life.
>>538719983Why? You havent met someone with no inner sense of hierarchy before?
>>538720005>abrahamism isn't scams on top of other scams stretching through thousands of years>>538720030>>538719498>>There is absolutely nowhere anywhere in existence that suffering is pointless. All pain points to a lesson that must be learned.>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Scullymental gymnastics is entirely ignoring posts you can't respond to at all
>>538719106>Circular argumentHere we go again
>>538720125better than your average self identified "troll" round chere but not by that much
>>538720096You didn't make a point with that post. The existence of evil behavior proves my point, not yours. Evil exists so that we can learn to love good, reject evil, and have compassion for others. There's no such thing as purposeless suffering and you vaguely trying to handwave that fact away with a wikipedia article is a concession if I've ever seen one.
>>538720125There's nothing even remotely circular about that argument.
>>538719609'anti-theist' sounds closest to correct to me. but you yourself are an agnostic atheist, because you are admitting the possibility by providing an outcome if it were true, but you seem to believe that it's nota gnostic atheist, by contrast would not even consider the 'if God were real' portion of your post, meaning they would know there is no God and thus need not include the provision in the questiona - theism (without) - (belief in divinity)anti - theism (against) - (belief in divinity)
>>538716998I'm 100% certain it doesn't matter either wayIt's like discussing alien life, who gives a fuck? Either faster than light travel doesn't exist or intelligent life doesn't exist in other star systems, either way it doesn't affect us at all
>>538720245>There's no such thing as purposeless suffering>it was literally daisy's destruction>there was a purpose to that beyond hurtcore pedos getting offyou are trying way, way too hard, desperate much
>>538720296I used like a cumrag last time and you made a fool of yourself.Don't make me do it again.
>>538720341The purpose is that it teaches us to hate evil. The killer's punishment teaches him to reflect on his actions (he might not do so but that doesn't change that the benefit exists), and the victim learned that there's no security or safety in the temporal. This idea isn't even unique to religion, it was an accepted philosophical fact even before Plato's time. Existence and goodness are the same principle, because nowhere in existence is there anything other than opportunities for wisdom, and wisdom is good in and of itself.
>>538720510>The purpose is that it teaches us to hate evil.who, exactly, needed a toddler to get brutally raped and tortured to "hate evil" and "learn compassion"how many people even know about it, I'd bet there are still people here who think it's a creepypasta and not even a real thing
>the victim learned that there's no security or safety in the temporal.>it was a toddleryou will never be a real troll but you're closer than the vast majority here, maybe you'll get there someday
really bad taste in my mouth metaphorically now, I wish you good evening
>>538720304Anti-theist sounds like contrarianism. I dont give a shit cause im neutral/indifferent about it. >>538720304I dont really provide an outcome if it were true, i just question the typical perceived outcome if i were to admit possibility. Does that make sense?
>>538720596>>538720629And how are those posts not just mental gymnastics? You've officially lost the plot and regressed to the point where you aren't even addressing points, you're just slinging accusations because you don't like the truth. The only logical position is that God does and must exist, which has been proven just now by your utter inability to argue in good faith.
>>538720743you obviously need to "win" something here so you can have it, no interest in engaging with some faggot who thinks torture and rape of toddlers serves a "purpose"
I knew someone elsewhere who's a fucking nepiophile and even HE would be disgusted by you
HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>538720872 theism is just a grift snake oil salesman selling cures for things that don't even exist
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