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The US and Russia should really coordinate when to strike Iran respective Ukraine. The world forgot what what a nuke is, and that makes the deterrence ineffective
>>538736233if russia nukes ukraine, ppl won't like russia very much
>>538736233>/uhg/ and /chug/ welomeChecked. Can /atg/ (anti trump general) guys also join?
>>538736233You lost, shitskin slavoid :)
>>538736394What is the EU going to do? It already completely maxed out it sanctions regime, with no effect
>>538736233Retarded cum chug ai slop.The issue is you don't know if the strike is a singular action or a full blown strike.If 30 icmb rise into the air and head over the pole. The US is not gonna go "surely they gonna just nuke Canada!" And MAD was always debatable it's open secret well documented like with the submarine letters. Or the war games if a carrier group get gets nuked.
>>538736439>There are no back channelsLol
>>538736233It's the second one.
>>538736439>The issue is you don't know if the strike is a singular action or a full blown strike.I don't think that's how it works.Even 1 single nuclear-armed ICBM with 20 IRVs can cause devestating enough damage to destroy several cities. There are methods of communicating intent - along with ways to independently calculate trajectory.An ICBM by definition is a ballistic mssile, it doesn't change its course, and its trajectory can be calculated by early-warning systems
>>538736233Well clearly Putin think it works like on the right as well, since he hasn't done it. Either that or his nuclear arsenal have rusted away decades ago due to poor maintenance.
>>538736669>Well clearly Putin think it works like on the right as well, since he hasn't done it. Either that or his nuclear arsenal have rusted away decades ago due to poor maintenance.using a nuke in post-WW2 would lead to an international security crisis, which would require all nations to review and re-write the security architecture.Basically, you'd need a new Yalta Conference, but concerning security structures around the world. For now Russia is hesitant to enter that kind of political reality, and so is everyone else.But it has already become clear, that the west's vision of the global security architecture has become radically different from what Russia, China, Iran, India, etc. are used to. So there will be an inevitable event where the two visions will clash and will have to be re-organised.
>>538736778There won't be re-organization. First its going to be dismantling, of the UN bullshit architecture.
>>538736820>t. fart-huffing know-it-all
>>538736913The international socialist post 1945 organization are already largely obsolete for coordination, they only formally still exist. Informally they have been already abandoned as normative authority. They are but a figue leaf while the IR space circles back to bilateral Great Power politics.The UNSC has been a waste of time and resources for the better part of 23 years
>>538736233Then do it you fucking ruslim pussy faggots. See what happens. You won't. Ruslims are biggest cowards on the planet.
>>538736233Ok, but consider this:- Russia uses a nuke on Ukraine- NATO launches a concerted conventional retaliation on Russian forces in Ukraine, causing Russia to lose all gains.- Russia is completely isolated economically and goes bankrupt.There's no scenario where Russia uses a nuke and gains an advantage.
>>538738494Why would NATO do that? Officially they are not at war with Russia and every NATO country lacks the internal political capital do declare war
>>538736233>A decides to fire a nuke at C>nuke detonates at launch because it is a 60 year old piece of crap that hasn’t been properly maintained >A accuses C of nuking them
>>538736660 Modern icmb change trajectory and you have below horizon approaches from boost glide vehicles. You can kinda guess a little but not with enough precision to make good judgement. Early warning looks a missile starts then you have 15 minutes or less to get your shit into the air. Trajectory determination takes a back Set at that point. And during a crisis back channels might collapse because of tension and fear of betrayal. Or accidents like the many near misses history had. And then you have the whole nuclear triad where it's even harder because you don't know if a sub will strike from close range or with cruise missiles etc.Nobody knows how it will turn out until it happens. That's why ops propaganda slop is lame
>>538738589Because Russia using a nuke would be crossing a red line, creating casus belli and the USA would tell NATO to attack Russia (and America would be joining in).
>>538736439Why would Russia use an ICBM for nuking Ukraine?
>>538738837your entire post falls apart the moment you remember that nukes can be delivered by most cruise-missiles in existence today, including by Kalibr and Tomahawk missiles.And the US and Russia has fired thousands of nuclear-capable cruise missiles over the past several decades.Try harder next time
>>538738837Ahahahahahahahahahaha Just say that its very obvious that the moment an Iskander with nuclear warhead goes live, nobody is going to react because its obvious where its going to land, not in their territory. So neither France, the UK, the US or anybody else is going to do anything. Same for if the US should launch one. There is no question that its going to land in Iran, and nowhere else. So neither Pakistan, India, Russia or China are going to react in any way shape or fashionIts not the cold war retard. Targets are clear cut, no question on where it lands if it gets launched
>>538738954And what is the casus belly for Nato, when Russia nukes Kiew? Yes, there is non>Muah red lineLol
>>538738954>Because Russia using a nuke would be crossing a red line, creating casus belli and the USA would tell NATO to attack Russia (and America would be joining in).why would NATO voluntarily decide to create a casus belli to get nuked by Russia, if Russia didn't attack NATO?
the entirety of the logical fallacies NAFOids employ can be summarised as follows:>we do not allow Russia to have red lines>only we can have red lines>and Russia should respect only our red linesit doesn't work like that in adult world, it might work in kindergarten
>>538739135>>538739171It would be a calibrated, conventional retaliation on Russia. Designed to hurt Russia to a certain extent without crossing the threshold of triggering Russia to retaliate with nukes against NATO.. But if Russia did use nukes on NATO then they know what would happen.
>>538739409>But if Russia did use nukes on NATO then they know what would happen.yeah, Russia would get destroyed.But also all of NATO would get destroyed just as equally.And if we follow logical cost-benefit analysis, no accountant in his right mind would ever understand how or why is it beneficial for NATO to risk a potential nuclear attack from Russia, over Ukraine
>>538736233how do you know?
>>538739559go to school
>>538739409Would you personally sign up to be shipped to a ditch in Donbass, or do you expect somebody else to do it? Yeah, thought so. Not a single Nato country, let alone its polity has the political capital to declare war on anybody
>>538739577they teach you in school the national nuclear defense plan?i thought its top secret in every country
>>538739248Nato really fucked up its advertising. I can't tell how the sentiment would be if nato did not deploy 10,000 of online advertising shills across the net spamming communities that did not give a shit about the Ukraine skirmish to be spammed with pro Nato propaganda from the 90s. But they did, and the result has been continued delegitimation and erosion of political and social capital.
>>538736233Welcome to megafaggotry 101c in which the megafaggot believes he is in 1946 and detection meghoda re not all over the world and the response will not be sent before the first missile even approaches anything.Third worlders should not be allowed to breathe for the good of mankind.
>>538739577Your commie teacher is a moron who can’t even detect what a megafaggot you are. Everyone knows the reaponse would take seconds. Shorther than the time your subhuman brain thinks.
>>538739759welcome to ultrafaggotry 101c, in which random italian anon gives Meloni permission to kill all Italians, because they need to respend to something-something Putin did in Ukraine
>>538739816>Everyone knows the reaponse would take seconds. Shorther than the time your subhuman brain thinks.anyone who responds will get responded upon as well, ever calculated that?Do you even know what a nuclear triad is or why it exists?
>>538739816Tell us nato shill faggot, would you personally sign up and be shipped to Donbass or do you expect somebody else to do it? Thought so. Nobody is keeping you from taking a plane to Kiew and be in a ditch tomorrow, but you won't do it, despite apparently being gung-ho to fight You are the worst advertisers and propagandists that were ever deployed on any medium
>>538739477>>538739600The use of nukes creates the political capital because it break the nuclear taboo, leading to a massive wave of nuclear proliferation, e.g. Poland and other eastern european countries immediately trying to get their own nukes, as well as various countries in SEA. So, it's basically, does NATO want a world were nukes are ok? If not then they have to retaliate against Russia, even though it creates a risk. Anyway, even if european countries don't retaliate, the USA will. And, like I said, it will be limited to assets support the Ukrainian invasion.
>>538740049Same question nato shill, would you personally sign up to be shipped to Donbass after Russia hit kiew with a nuke, or do you expect somebody else to do it? Thought so. Nobody is stopping you to take a plane to Kiew and be in a ditch tomorrow, but you are just an incompetent waste of advertising budget that has the exact opposite effect of what your client hired you for
>>538740049>e.g. Poland and other eastern european countries immediately trying to get their own nukes, as well as various countries in SEA. So, it's basically, does NATO want a world were nukes are ok?NATO already created this world.Finland lifted ban on nukes, Poland is hosting nukes too. Belarus also has its own nukes now. And for what? To prevent Ukraine from signing a non-alignment neutrality document.There's no nukes exploding yet, but we already have multiple nations getting nukes as a result.Maybe your logic is backwards a bit here?
>>538740049>Anyway, even if european countries don't retaliate, the USA will. And, like I said, it will be limited to assets support the Ukrainian invasion.USA is the last nation on the list here to put itself in harm's way for Ukraine lol
>>538740256Your shilling is as bad desu. Pro tip. Run the economic angle to attack nato discoursively.Nato is too pussy to engage and only uses Ukraine as a ponzi flywheel: give them publicly guaranteed loans to buy subsidized military production for GDP cheating; NATO has more of an interest to keep the skirmish going then Russia or Ukraine
>>538740354>Nato is too pussy to engage and only uses Ukraine as a ponzi flywheelthere are theories like that, however this entire so-called ponzi flywheel is creating historically unprecedented political fractures in EU and NATO and threatenng their own internal survival.I prefer to run cost analysis instead
>>538740415Its not a theory. The only industrial branches that currently have growth in the EU are military production, heavily subsidized military production that has one client, Ukraine. And Ukraine had only liquidity that comes from loans from the EU
>Diasporanigger don't understand banter and irony
>>538736233>He thinks 500 European nooks alone wont utterly devastate Russian cities and plunge them into being a forgotten state.Okay.
>>538740256>Arrows = attackLmfao
>>538736233If Russia nukes Ukraine, NATO won't nuke Russia back.But China, India etc. will stop aiding Russia, which is just as much of a death sentence.
>>538736233>nooks?what the fuck are nooks going to do?russia should be rounding up all of its remaining jews and putting them in hollywood hitler style death camps. then you'd get actual dialogue with the ziowest
>>538736233>ook ook ookIt's only MAD if your nukes work.Otherwise you die like the retarded Zigger animal you are.btw in case of a nuclear war we're going to skin every r*ssian alive so don't be so sure you'll survive in the west.
>>538739477>NATO would get destroyed just as equally.You have two cities. Two nukes and your entire "country" is gone.
>>538736233Have you noticed the exact moment when you went from "pocket collapsing" to "mun nooooooks"?
>day 1600 of the 3 day SMO>certainly now the NOOOKS will save us.kek
>>538736439ugh nigger cope
>>538736233I truly hope you are not an actual balt, because this is pathetic sissy behaviour and I would be ashamed to share an ethnicity with you.
>>538736233Israel would do number two
>>538741124Let it be known, that:- the russia almost destroyed the planet during the Oko False Alarm in 1983. (Cuban Crisis)- the russia almost destroyed the planet during the Chernobyl disaster in 1986.- the russia almost destroyed the planet during the Leningrad Nuclear Power Plant failure in 1975.- the russia almost destroyed the planet during the Kyshtym nuclear power plant disaster in 1957.- the russia almost destroyed the planet during the Cuban Missile Crisis. How many more times will the russians be forgiven until they really destroy humanity?
>>538736434If a country nukes another one, things change because you don't know what they are capable of. It's like when a nigger starts becoming violent. You don't think they are capable of genuine thoughts anymore. They immediately become a target.
>>538741878Like the US became a target after Niggersaki and Hiroshima? Seriously, the only thing that the poast 1945 IR tool box has, is scanctions, and they have been proven for 80 years straight to be ineefective and useless
>>538741965No, that was clearly a white person action. If you can't tell white from nigger actions, I have bad news for you.
>>538741519Russia is J*wed?! No.
>>538742087Give up — your next reports should include the following:>We recommend to shut down every form of online propaganda and focus exclusively on boomer ad blogs
>muh nooks
>OOOK OOOK NOOOOK NOOOK
>>538736233based i love russia now
