>Nationalism, Government, Economics, Humanity, Divinity, Religion, Morality, Truth, Justice etc;>All Spooks, abstractions of the mind of which people are to serve>Best society is the union of egoists, where egoists interact because it serves their ego.>Where you believe in something because it serves your ego, and not because it owns you.>Ex: nationalism is good because it is a tool that serves my ego, however it is not my master.>Therefore:>*Nooo you can't have le society because muh racism, xenophobia, antisemitism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia*>Sounds spooked, I want it because it serves my ego>*But muh (((sources))), (((experts))), objectivity, truth, socioeconomic factors, empathy, equality, diversity, human rights, justice*>Nice spooks, nerd>No more need for endless debate or whatever, just believe because it serves your ego.https://archive.org/details/StirnerTheEgoAndItsOwn/mode/2up
>>538741377Sounds like something George Floyd would agree with if you ask me
>All things are nothing to me>What is not supposed to be my concern! First and foremost the good cause, then God’s cause, the cause of mankind, of truth, of freedom, of humanity, of justice; further, the cause of my people, my prince, my fatherland; finally, even the cause of mind3 and a thousand other causes. Only my cause is never to be my concern. ‘Shame on the egoist who thinks only of himself!’>Let us look and see, then, how they manage their concerns, they for whose cause we are to labour, devote ourselves, and grow enthusiastic.>You have much profound information to give about God, and have for thousands of years ‘searched the depths of the Godhead’, and looked into its heart, so that you can doubtless tell us how God himself attends to ‘God’s cause’, which we are called to serve. And you do not conceal the Lord’s doings either. Now, what is his cause? Has he, as is demanded of us, made an alien cause, the cause of truth or love, his own? You are shocked by this misunderstanding, and you instruct us that God’s cause is indeed the cause of truth and love, but that this cause cannot be called alien to him, because God is himself truth and love; you are shocked by the assumption that God could be like us poor worms in furthering an alien cause as his own. ‘Should God take up the cause of truth if he were not himself truth?’ He cares only for his cause, but, because he is all in all, therefore all is his cause! But we, we are not all in all, and our cause is altogether little and contemptible; therefore we must ‘serve a higher cause’. Now it is clear, God cares only for what is his, busies himself only with himself, thinks only of himself, and has only himself before his eyes; woe to all that is not well-pleasing to him\ He serves no higher person, and satisfies only himself. His cause is a purely egoistic cause.Part 1
>>538741548>How is it with mankind, whose cause we are to make our own? Is its cause that of another, and does mankind serve a higher cause? No, mankind looks only at itself, mankind will promote the interests of mankind only, mankind is its own cause. That it may develop, it causes nations and individuals to wear themselves out in its service, and, when they have accomplished what mankind needs, it throws them on the dung-heap of history in gratitude. Is not mankind’s cause - a purely egoistic cause?>I have no need to take up each thing that wants to throw its cause on us and show that it is occupied only with itself, not with us, only with its good, not with ours. Look at the rest for yourselves. Do truth, freedom, humanity, justice, desire anything else than that you grow enthusiastic and serve them?>They all have an admirable time of it when they receive zealous homage. Just observe the nation that is defended by devoted patriots. The patriots fall in bloody battle or in the fight with hunger and want; what does the nation care for that? By the manure of their corpses the nation comes to ‘its bloom’! The individuals have died ‘for the great cause of the nation’, and the nation sends some words of thanks af ter them and - has the profit of it. I call that a lucrative kind of egoism.>But only look at that Sultan who cares so lovingly for ‘his people’. Is he not pure unselfishness itself, and does he not hourly sacrifice himself for his people? Oh, yes, for ‘his people’. Just try it; show yourself not as his, but as your own; for breaking away from his egoism you will take a trip to jail. The Sultan has set his cause on nothing but himself;4 he is to himself all in all, he is to himself the only one, and tolerates nobody who would dare not to be one of ‘his people’.Part 2
>>538741595>And will you not learn by these brilliant examples that the egoist gets on best? I for my part take a lesson from them, and propose, instead of further unselfishly serving those great egoists, rather to be the egoist myself.>God and mankind have concerned themselves for nothing, for nothing but themselves. Let me then likewise concern myself for myself, who am equally with God the nothing of all others, who am my all, who am the only one [der Einzige ].>If God, if mankind, as you affirm, have substance enough in themselves to be all in all to themselves, then I feel that / shall still less lack that, and that I shall have no complaint to make of my ‘emptiness’. I am not nothing in the sense of emptiness, but I am the creative nothing [schopferische Nichts], the nothing out of which I myself as creator create everything.>Away, then, with every concern that is not altogether my concern! You think at least the ‘good cause’ must be my concern? What’s good, what’s bad? Why, I myself am my concern,. and I am neither good nor bad. Neither has meaning for me.>The divine is God’s concern; the human, ‘man’s’. My concern is neither the divine nor the human, not the true, good, just, free, etc., but solely what is mine [das Meinige], and it is not a general one, but is - unique [einzig], as I am unique.>Nothing is more to me than myself!Part 3 - Last Part
>>538741377What is Stirner's view on family?Is it a spook?Should you care?Would you sacrifice yourself for your family?
>>538742278Family is a spookTo Stirner you care about something because it satisfies your ego.Like property, property is a spook (your property) - but property that serves my (my property) ego isn't.
>>538741377ego is a spook
>>538742890Yes. Now what are ya gonna do with it?
>>538742395So sacrificing yourself for let's say a family member makes the ego feel good and as such that is why you would be compelled to do it?What is non-ego then? What state would you be in to have no ego?
>>538743286According to Stirner - everyone is an egoist, even those whom don't call themselves egoists. In fact he made a term for them; 'involuntary egoist'.That everyone, including the slave that serves the master, is doing it out of their own ego (such as the egoistic desire to not be punished for disobeying). That the Hegelian master-slave dialectic is egoistic in nature.>So sacrificing yourself for let's say a family member makes the ego feel good and as such that is why you would be compelled to do it?Yes, that is literally the core of the philosophy.
>>538741377Belief, wether self serving or for the love of Art, is ultimely a jacket you wear, flash arround qts, and remove once the deed is fone and the sex may commence. Be like chaos magick practiicers, bflief is a tool and no more, believe what you need to believe, do the thang and then, believe the next thing. Protip: now available in shamanic format, see me after class
>>538741377egoism is too high iq. most people are low iq, so they wont get it.therefore a high iq person who can utilise nationalism, religion etc. will have way more minions than an egoist, and they can just enslave any egoist society.
>>538741377Everything serves your ego already whether you know it or not. Do you think people would give money to the poor, clean up trash, and be nice to others if it didn't make them feel good about themselves? Hell no.
>>538741377I want a white sociegty therefore its in my interest
Biological needs and actual material reality exist independently of an abstract concept like an ego. Egoism is a retard philosophy for people that love smelling their own farts.
>>538741377Way ahead of you, Piotr. Stirner is the final solution to the -ism question.
>>538741377Because it's incredibly stupid. If truth is just an abstraction then how can it be true that truth is an abstraction? Right from the get-go, his philosophy is built on a self contradiction. You would have to be insanely retarded to take this moron seriously.
>>538745236Stirner's point is that those things don't please your ego but the spook. You do not become happy because you feel pleased by your action but you please the construct of charity which invokes a feeling of happiness. Stirner's critique is that this kind of happiness is not real and in most cases can lead to individual suffering, for instance soldiers dying in a war in the name of patriotism get lukewarm thanks from the population they protected when in reality they gain nothing but their own death.
>>538746285You have neither read his text nor understood the point. It's not about something being true. It's about the concept of truth compelling you to do or think certain things. Of course things can be true but that is different from the concept that stands behind it.
>>538746457Modern sophists don't have a point, because they reject reason as a principle. Stirner's entire worldview is built on the fallacy that it's impossible for people to be objective, which is yet again another self contradiction. You should try reading real philosophy.
>>538746545>Stirner's entire worldview is built on the fallacy that it's impossible for people to be objective, which is yet again another self contradiction.Where does he say that in his main work? His concept of Der Eigner can only come into existence once you leave your subjective view behind.
>>538741377Taking Stirnerism as a "pill" because you can't deal with reality is actually contrary to Stirnerism. Anything you need or desire too much is no longer a property of yours or your property, you are instead its property and your capacities are bent to it involuntarily, whether it's out of addiction like with gooners or out of existential despair like you with Egoism. Do better.
>>538742278>>538742395His view is that both a son and a father should reject the idea of being obligated to have anything to do with one another because of morality or tradition or religion and that once they are both free of those chains they can meet again anew, one liberated Ego faced with another with any association between them being entirely voluntary.
>>538747086That doesn't sound like a good idea.It would making social interaction a transactional/monetary one.It would be against the natural state.
>a thread about stirner with no marx seethingi'm getting old
>>538746957>its too late therefore we can't do anything>>538748053>natural state>>538748553>old
Max Stirner (1806-56) born Johann Kaspar Schmidtshades of Epstein>Stirnerobtained a position at a well-regarded private girls’ school, and spent the next five years teaching history and literature, establishing a reputation as a polite and reliable teacher in the process
>>538741377>being spooked is a surrogate activity whereas egoism is the power processKaczynski knew what was up
>>538746285Let's go deeper. If truth isn't an abstraction, then we can identify two types of truth - the analytic ("a triangle has three sides") and the empirical ("I am thinking of horse bussy right now and thus I must exist and the concept of horse bussy must exist").But wait! That statement itself is neither analytic, nor empirical. Thanks, Quine.
>>538748053According to Stirner, the inner niggerdom (he used this word, yes) of the caucasion is his fixation on objects and the inner mongoloidism (chineseness) of a caucasian is his fixation on ideas. The jews demolished the heaven (Elysium) of the greco-romans to establish their own, the christians did the same to them, the protestants did it to catholics and the humanists did it to all religious sorts. One heaven gets stormed only for another, higher heaven to be built on top of it. The process is simply one of iterative improvement rather than a real rejection of the underlying concept. You yourself are a deeply religious man with your worship of ideas. The caucasian phase of the caucasian man's existence will begin when he rejects not only the world of ghosts (geisterwelt) but also when he rejects the world of the spirit (geisteswelt) and lives as himself. Thus spake Stirner, at least.
>>538746957So, wait, are you saying that I belong to the food that I eat?Anyway, Stirner is based, because he argues for an absolute lack of accountability, since your decisions and actions of the past cannot be held to define your agency in the present - and to be fair, that goes all the way back to pre-Socratic thought - you cannot stand in the same river twice. So, basically, foids are right about everything, because not fucking Jamal is a spook because marriage vows are a spook, but it's okay, because we can just huck the mongrel bastard child into the wood chipper anyway.
It's 8am and I'm pounding beers in preparation for going to see the NBA Summer League in 4 hours, and I intend to be drunk as shit, and yell gamer words at the basketball players, because the NBA is a spook and sobriety is a spook. I do what I want, god dammit
>>538749420>So, wait, are you saying that I belong to the food that I eat?Seeing as you are fat ameriburger shitstain with clotted grease for a bloodstream, most likely yes. Food, water and sleep are indispensable necessities for continued existence but while an egoist might enjoy all three he would neither be a slave to them nor to existing in general. It's like a chuddist left hand path (the real deal, not the modern leftoid excuse to be a bigger degenerate) rejection of relevance of anything in the world while using whatever of the world one chooses, but going the extra step and rejecting the idea of an enlightenment while being at it.
>>538749420>an absolute lack of accountabilityyou are still accountable to your self-interest but if you so choose you can piss your pants in winter because you want to feel warmer or jump off a building because you want to experience flight but i don't think any White person will ever stoop to the level of the negro because in the case of the darkie it's an absence of intellect at work, a feature of how they're built, not some conscious rational choice
It do be like that, Mr Stirner
>>538749715You are the descendant of the pussies who didn't fight against international jewry when your people had ONE FUCKING JOB and dropped the ball.
>>538749898Your opinion means a lot to me, please elaborate on just how bad I should feel and in which ways so that I can hopefully one day redeem myself in your eyes by self-flagellating adequately
>>538749942I don't really give a shit what goes on in doucheland, honestly. I'm just building up my negativity so that I'm more prepared to call NBA players a bunch of nigger monkeys from courtside in a few hours.
Most people won't understand Stirner nor do I want them to. But anyone on /pol/ that isn't a glownigger or variety of nigger should read The Ego and Its Own if they haven't already.
>>538741377Stirnerism is for lazy limited thinkers that fear realising eternal truth; for painfully immature libertarians that do not want to think deeper than an easy lackadaisical conclusion.
>>538750147And they should read Being And Time, Ride The Tiger, and Simulacra and Simulation (while we're doing the /pol/ philosophy book club thing).Honestly, /hispol/ threads are some of the only good threads on this board that don't get immediately flooded with JIDF spam. Oh, but on that note, you are all Schrödinger's Spooks: both Muslim and Russian until observed by a bot.
>>538750147>>538750436actually agreed fellow retards, the ego and its own and ride the tiger are actually books i dont suggest to anyone because i simply dont want anyone getting anything out of them - even though i know that hardly anyone has the inclination to read them let alone try to understand them
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>>538741377>the left would vote for a nazi rapists when it benefits their partyIrony and hypocrisy are foreign concepts to liberals lol
>>538741377Wasn't this guy a cuck?
>>538750862You're thinking of Schopenhauer.
>>538750851Oh, shit, I summoned the JIDF spam bots.
