Redpill me on ghg, feels like a climate terrorist talking point anchor, like "carbon footprint". Specifically, why would a greenhouse be a good model for the Earth's atmosphere? You really need the eyesight of a squinting Chinese to find any similarities and it requires so much handwaving that it not just makes me question scientific claims, but actually raises questions about motives and agendas.
>>538744737All greenhouse models are a BULLSHIT. A couple of things.1. Fluoride was fakely banned,DuPont chemical needed to ban it. 2. 95% of greenhosue gas is WATER VAPOR. Water , water vapor and water cycle.>this doesn't bode well with climate globohomo scammers>who want to tax people for breathing.
>>538744966>Fluoride was fakely banneddid you mean freon?
>>538744737Ok, let's see if the retarded propaganda holds up even at rhe most basic of levels: is CO2 more dense or less dense than air?
TABLE 3.Role of Atmospheric Greenhouse Gases(man-made and natural) as a % of RelativeContribution to the "Greenhouse Effect"Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics Percent of Total Percent of Total --adjusted for water vapor Water vapor ----- 95.000% Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 72.369% 3.618% Methane (CH4) 7.100% 0.360%Nitrous oxide (N2O) 19.000% 0.950% CFC's (and other misc. gases) 1.432% 0.072% Total 100.000% 100.000% https://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
>>538745047Yep freon. If I remember correctly. It was a cheap refrigerant , about to go off patent. Dupont didn't want to lose the market to 20 new manufacturers, and they had a new more expensive refrigerant ready. So they paid some fake jeet "scientists" to fake some reports.>Refrigerants Update>Rajan Rajendranhttps://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/RefrigerantUpdates.pdf
bumping a fake jeets "science" thread.
>>538744737All climate change laws, just like the war on drugs, has nothing to do with climate change and its about a small group of companies paying off politicians and judges to pass legislation and court cases that give increase their market share and profit margins.Companies who expel lots of waste into the environment are like the dicks who go to national parks and throw trash everywhere and and really anyonethat litters shows they come from a shithole culture.America and Europe LLC are included as shithole cultures because they are engaged in wars that trash up the environment, then arrest anyone who tells them no.The military is trash, and you can tell because it wages wars without the peoples consent, and raising prices for their corrupt legislation and war packages. The Pentagon and Europe LLC refused to defend their own borders, so trash cultures could come and take over. Now, places like Ukraine are fighting for shithole countries to take over like EU/USA that bleed their own citizens dry and shit all over the land. So it appears the EU and US military forces and governments were run by Pajeet status human beings. Since private concerns are not legally allowed to deal with the waste that shats out of western governments and military brass, we just wait until their political feces becomes such a problem they can no longer function, and they dont have any scapegoats left because every single opposition group is run by shithole western intelligence agencies that produce nothing by garbage and shit.Like the internet now, or you posting without a link, just a blogpost with a meme flag.This is what the greatest military and the world has accomplished. Every single day the western generals, politicians, and judges are taking shits all over the people and the boots on the ground that serve them.It doesnt matter since the Pentagon in America doesnt answer to anyone except the Rothschilds. Same as Europe LLC.
>>538744737Main influence on earth's climate comes from the sun. For one directly, but also indirectly because of solar wind. When the particles hit the atmopshere, they act as seed for clouds. There's even a standard lab test called cloud chamber, which uses this effect to prove the presense of subatomic particles. The degree to which the particles get to the atmosphere depends on the strength of earth's magnetic field. The weaker it is, the more particles get through and the more clouds are forming. Hence, the cooling during periods with weak magnetic field and heating during times with strong field. All aspects of this are proven experimentally and are dominant in their effect on the climate system (dominant means >80%). The whole CO2 thing is at best a 10% factor, but likely less. They know this quite well, but have alterior motives (=poverty communism) and so they pretend the solar wind -> cloud effect doesn't exist and only look at human influences on the climate. But I'm not even sure whether human CO2 emissions are the biggest human influence factor on the climate. Could also be deforrestation or maybe even contrails or something.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_chamber
climate change is real.
>>538746171>The whole CO2 thing is at best a 10% factor, but likely lessThis, as I posted above, less than 5%.As oceans and water vapor is 95%. >>538745159Water vapor and water cycle. >I'm not even sure whether human CO2 emissions are the biggest human influence factor on the climate. >Could also be deforestation or maybe even contrails Deforestation yes. contrails ? Yep. CO2 btw is a plant food.
>>538746237agreeable, is is caused solely humans or are there external factors? should we just like deindustrialize the west and let the other nations pollute? if it really is an existential crisis on the scale of human extinction then it would seem it should get a proportional response, look at the response to the threat of nuclear weapons in Iran? is that really so much more important then the destruction of our biosphere? why aren't these ecologically responsible nations following through with their own ideology? nuclear weapons are existential threat worth going to war for, climate change is just more taxes and public shame. hmmmm i don't think it really adds up.
>>538744737Mystical perfectly possessed satanists are trying to reduce CO2 below the carrying capacity of life on the planet as a mess sacrifice. We are two or three percent away from crops being unable to grow. That's why Elon is obsessed with colonizing Mars as a plan B
>>538746452I get the water vapor part, but we are still pretending the atmosphere is pretty much uniform for example. This might be a sensible simplification for an enclosed greenhouse, but at planet scale it does not make any sense for example
>>538746561>>538746237as opposed to the climate standing still or what? How that would look like? As a boomer, the weather is literally the same as it was 40 years ago. I saw all the climate terrorist alarmist predictions not come to fruition. Member Nobel Prize winner Al Gore and Inconvenient Truth? Had first row tickets, but last time I checked somehow New York is still not underwater
>>538746915do you reject all the evidence of idea ages or geological scale historical temperature measurements? I haven't personally seen climate change. but I don't find it to be that ridiculous of an assertion, is it? I kinda doubt the earth was born with the current climate and will die with the current climate.
>>538746676There so much electricity in atmosphere, you can't know that there's so much of it there.
>>538747252i meant ice ages, idk what happened there
>96% of CO2 is naturally emittedYeah we need to kill ourselves to save muh climateThis is even more obvious bullshit than Corona was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcx-nf3kH_M
>>538746676They simply pretend in their models, which are 90% shit. They break all the dynamic modelling rules and keep the acutal programs a secret, so you can't point out their flaws. For instance, earth is assumed as (sic!) flat because curvature is too difficult to account for, then volcano outbreaks are accounted for as averages although they have a massive influence when they happen, but close to zero when not (which is most of the time). Same is for cloud coverage, which is accounted for as 1/0 ignoring multiple relevant factors like density or altitude. The whole thing falls apart even at a cursory look. It's all a gigantic scam with pretend wizards pretending they know all and you better believe them.
>>538744966>>538745159How many times do you low IQ niggers need positive feedback explained to you? The relatively small anount of anthrogenic GHG causes more natural GHG to be released.Warmer air can hold more water vapor. Melting ice releases trapped methane.
>>538747285it would be pretty cool if we we allowed to harvest the atmospheric electricity. but it has to be such a vast amount of energy the people who profit off energy scarcity would never let it happen.
>>538747252I'm asking what is the opposite of climate change? Asserting that the climate is changing holds as much insight as water is wet and insult even to the faintest of strawman. The point is exactly as demonstrated, if you accept the climate has been changing since forever how can someone come to the conclusion that its cause is anthropogenic without solid evidence? What happens when the deadline of their outrages claims expire and nothing ever happened again?
>>5387475272010 called and wants its clathrate gun fearmongering back
>>538747527>2010 called and wants its clathrate gun fearmongering back>2010 called and wants their fake jeets "science" back.>Refrigerants Update>Rajan RajendranEPA .govhttps://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/documents/RefrigerantUpdates.pdf
>>538747948This is not a clathrate gun I'm describing. That was always fringe retardery.That there is a lot of trapped methane in ice and permafrost isn't disputed. That it releases when its confines melt is not disputed. When temperatures rise a little bit, that and other factors contribute to magnify the heating. Nobody's saying this is gonna be some runaway apocalyptic event.
>>538744737"climate regulation" is gay communism in a trench coat.
>>538748329Yep. They are currently working on different types of batteries, but regardless of that, my BET is thatthey won't allow any serious breaking technology (say 10x-100x advancements) to see the light of day. They want you to be their energy slaves, that's the end goal here.
>>538748223What is your argument?
>>538744737>why would a greenhouse be a good model for the Earth's atmosphere?it's not a model, it's an analogy.you are stupid.
>>538749183They want to ban all real energy sources, for you to be their Energy Slave.
>>538749438Their motivations aside, can you make any coherent argument re: the physics involved?
>>538749438>>538749183I don't have any hydrogen based EROI rankings on this chart.Just understand that oil is HydroCarbon (H), etc. One of the largest uncontrolled energy releases on the planet was a Hydogen bomb explosion. It used fairly small amount of Hydrogen. Also there are numerous examples of regular engines running on water, by splitting Hydrogen off. Hydrogen is 75% of everything on the planet. So. We don't have a shortage of energy , we have a massive abundance of energy.And I am not discussing atmospheric electricity yet. >you can see massive downwards pointing planetary electrical fields, >as lightnings discharge into the ground.>>538747285
>>538747527>How many times do you low IQ niggers need positive feedback explained to you?warmer water / air leads to faster growth of algae & plants. Algae especially which already absorbs over 50% of greenhouses gases. It’s almost as if earth is a really complex system with built in buffers that counter changing variables. You understand now retard?
>>538749859Okay, but we're talking about climate change. I could school you on the logistics of power generation another time.>>538749860The fact that the climate does, indeed, change renders the notion that the earth is a self-regulating system moot.
>>538749569>re: the physics involved?>>538749859Hydrogen, and also everything is electrical. There are massive downward pointing electrical planetary fields.
>>538750134So you've given up on the climate change angle and fully conceded that humans burning fossil fuels contributes to atmospheric warming?
>>538750120>The fact that the climate does, indeed, change renders the notion that the earth is a self-regulating system moot.So who’s been regulating the climate for the past million years before people? Did Bill gates tell you the heckin Dinorinos didn’t regulate climate change so they died?
>>538750120>but we're talking about climate change.Bullshit. There are planetary cycles.Right now we are in a cold cycle, say 500 years cycle.>hard to tell how long ,could be 2000 years The planet is getting back into a warmer climate, which it used to have.This means Russia, northern USA and Canada would become warmer. > could school you on the logistics of power generation another time. Try it . Tell me how much voltage potential do we have per 1 meter of height. And as a result what we'd have at 100 meters.
>>538744737they are a sham meant to make you pay more taxes by either putting an outright carbon tax on something or making more bureaucratic permits that cost an arm and a leg whose price is forwarded to you by whatever company needs the permitit used to be ozone lair years and years back and years before that it used to be global cooling and after ozone it was warming, now its climate change in general
>>538750346That is literally my point. Those vast swings we observe in deep time literally demonstrate that the earth's climate is not self regulating. There are factors that can cause it to change, among them being the release of greenhouse gasses.
>>538750295Oil and gas are NOT FOSSIL FUELS, retard.Fossil fuels is a meme, invented by Rockefellers about 120 years ago. Owners of Standard Oil monopoly, now Exxon Mobil. They invented this meme to sell you oil and gas at 10x-100x price.There is ZERO proofs that oil is fossil fuel, in fact we are now getting this planet produced Hydrocarbon from 20,000 feet down .Where there was never any fossils, ever. Oil chemically is a HydroCarbon , a combination of H (Hydrogen) and C (carbon) molecules.It is the 2nd largest liquid on the planet produced by the planet. Planet produces so much of it that oil wells refill, and gas wells have to burn gas down , or it would explode if you don't burn it down or use it.
>>538750348tell me how much charge we are talking about and I can make the calculations. modeling an air dielectric capacitor is trivial.
>>538750348Real convenient that we started "getting back to a warmer climate" right at the start of the industrial revolution.
>>538750584I am going to ignore your scientifically illiterate gish galloping. We're talking about climate change. Do not run away from the relevant point of discussion.
>>538750522If it’s not self regulating than how has the temp been historically higher and yet it’s come back down? No humans to intervene and yet it returns / stays with in a set range. All of his has occurred before human involvement Common greenhouse gas theory seems to say that there is a runaway temp/gas concentration that will lead to earth warming to the point life is killed and earth resembles mars So how would earth historically avoid runaway warming /climate change?
>>538750874>If it’s not self regulating than how has the temp been historically higher and yet it’s come back downBecause that's exactly what we'd expect from a system that's not self regulating. The temperature fluctuates over time. There is no setpoint it's trending to.>Common greenhouse gas theory seems to say that there is a runaway temp/gas concentration that will lead to earth warming to the point life is killed and earth resembles marsNobody's saying this.
>>538750698Bullshit. Stop pushing bullshit. The issue is we have massive amounts , nearly UNLIMITED amounts of energy. And if you stop consumer economy (producing chinese throw away junk), and stop planned obsolescence. And start, again ,produce high quality long lasting products. Then yeah , some oligarchs and big corps would cry that they don't make billions of $. But we stop destructive capitalism, and go back to normal sustainable stuff. And then you don't have to PRETEND that it was industrial revolution , and not planetary cycles.
>>538744737>Specifically, why would a greenhouse be a good model for the Earth's atmosphere?The greenhouse effect is poorly named and has nothing to do with greenhouses. I don't blame you for being skeptical but that's more about poor science communication and public disinterest.The actual physics of how global warming works is pretty interesting. This is a physicist explaining it carefully. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqu5DjzOBF8The TL;DR is that CO2 molecules absorb wavelengths of infrared that would otherwise radiate from the earth's warm surface, and radiate them into space from a much greater height, which is obviously colder. When the earth radiates at a colder temperature, it traps more heat, and has to get warmer to reach thermal equilibrium with space.
>>538750828It's all BULLSHIT. Nobody is buying your BULLSHIT. The "global warming" fakers were caught faking temperature data. it was so bad that they had to rebrand their bullshit to "climate change". PLANET IS WARMIGN NATURALLY, idiots. That's a NORMAL CYCLE , idiots. The fact that Northern USA and Canada were warm , and will be warm again are FACTS, idiots. 95% of greenhouse gas is WATER VAPOR and not humans . Oceans and water cycle. There's absolutely NOTHING that we can do to affect 95% of it. Also, Co2 is a plant food.
>>538750874>Common greenhouse gas theory seems to say that there is a runaway temp/gas concentration that will lead to earth warming to the point life is killed and earth resembles marsNo this isn't what it says at all.Actually the dependence of earths temperature is LOGARITHMIC with CO2 concentration. Doubling CO2 will "only" add between 1.5 and 4.5 degrees to the climate. We could burn all the carbon in the crust and the planet would not turn into Venus.That is not to say even a 3 degree rise won't be very unpleasant and disruptive and possibly fatal given that most of our crops are C3 and need cool conditions to germinate and photosynthesise. The earth will be fine though. It's just humans who are fucked.
>>538751019The greenhouse effect was discovered before we ever saw any signs of climate change. It was discovered by Fourier in the 1820s. It was not contentious back then nor should it be today.Then we started releasing a bunch of CO2 into the atmosphere by burning shit. Now we're seeing temperatures rise at a faster rate than ever seen before.The existence of Milankovich cycles does not invalidate the causative mechanism of the warming we see today.
>>538744737By releasing gasses in the atmosphere you are changing the composition of air.If you change the composition of air you are changing its properties.Heat absorption and reflection are properties.So if you change the composition you modify heat absorption and reflection.If you release gases on a planetary industrial scale you are modifying the composition of air at ever growing rates.As you modify the air composition at such scales you are also modifying climate patterns.Modified climate patterns lead to uncertainty in Urban planning, energy generation and specially agriculture.If climate gets warmer then diseases that were locked in tropical areas start to move into subtropical or temperate areas.That in turn creates massive agricultural fallout as plants do not have defenses against those tropical diseases.Heating up the environment also carries secondary implication, like soil activity, on warmer climates micro-organism activity is faster and relentless, so the consumption of organic matter in the soil increasing leading to loss in fertility but also an increase in the realease of more gases.While it sounds complex it certainly can be solved, CO2 and CH4 can be valuable commodities if captured and then converted into related compounds.
>>538751263You need to stop pushing BULLSHIT here.Enough. >>538751255
>>538744737it's warmer than it has been in the past 100,000 years and it is only ever warmer when looking back millions of years (when humans weren't around and couldn't survive in). to say we have no impact on the climate is just cope.
>>538751346>mental patient can't handle reality>shuts ears while rambiling about irrelevancies Tale as old as time.
>>538751463I think the reason the dumber conservatives are sticking their heads in the sand on global warming is that there is literally no answer to global warming if you are a hard core nationalist who hates the idea of working with other countries.CO2 is a global problem and we obviously need some kind of global emissions governance to deal with it. That means tight restrictions on how much energy and what kind of energy countries can use. If you're a MAGA nationalist your attitude to other countries is "Fuck you" and your attitude to the idea of international law is total horror. So they just deny the problem exists out of cognitive dissonance.We managed to deal with CFCs with international laws, we need the same thing for CO2 emissions, which will be much harder, but Trump and MAGAs will never ever admit we have global problems which the government has to surrender its own sovereignty to solve.
>>538751557>>mental patient can't handle reality>that his cult is pushing bullshit cultist crap. >his brain goes full retard >and into a cognitive dissonance >when presented with REAL INFORMAITON >about his cult and their bullshit You are in a cult.
>>538751651>literally no answer to global warmingthere is and the Earth will handle it normally. we are the issue and us dying in heatwaves or an ice age is what will happen. if/when the ocean currents slow or stop altogether, many large cities will be frozen wastelands. lots of people think we "deserve" to be here due to religious indoctrination but the fact is the Earth does not care nor need us here. many people - and other life forms - will die. the Earth will cleanse itself of a disease just like the human immune system does for us.
>>538744737Climate change is real but the already developed countries forcing their agenda on the countries that are not yet industrialized in the capitalist system with liberal virtue signaling is nonsensical. If they were genuinely altruistic after the Cold War they could have developed the rest of the world, but we all know what the West was, and is, really thinking.
>>538751878OK but assuming you are sane and not a fucking retard, you probably don't want billions of people to die of starvation or refugees flows of hundreds of millions of people.Also the oceans currents are fine for at least the next century. Within our lifetimes, it's warming and the unpredictability of the climatic shifts that entails that's going to be the most visible effect.
>>538751669Let's pick apart that last post for a bit:>The "global warming" fakers were caught faking temperature data.This is untrue. You're probably referring to climategate which were a mess of rather mundane emails that were deliberately misrepresented by denialists >That's a NORMAL CYCLECycles exist. Forcing mechanisms also exist. The current warming is best described by the latter>95% of greenhouse gas is WATER VAPORAlready addressed. It's positive feedback. Warmer air holds more water. Water vapor itself cannot cause the initial warming because it will precipitate out of cold air.>Co2 is a plant foodIt's also a greenhouse gas.
>>538751881Look, what makes me skeptical about the ability of humans to deal with global warming is that we had perfectly good zero emission technology, Nuclear power. We started a major buildout in the 70s and abandoned it because boomers thought Three Mile Island was going to kill them or something. The oil companies weren't behind that. It was stupid scared technophobic boomers.We made a political choice to turn global warming from a contained problem into a planetary crisis. And the people who drove that choice were the fucking environmentalists.
>>538751986>you probably don't wantit doesn't matter what we want or don't want. that is what is going to happen. the human population rose so quickly and we think this is "normal" now when it isn't. everything that goes up always goes down and our population will be normalized one way or another. it won't impact us alive now, but 100 years from now? 200? a long time for a human life but almost nothing as far as the Earth is concerned.
>>538751986there are probably less then 50 people I care about. billions can die and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. if you want to resolve climate catastrophe billions dying is a good thing. or do you think we should try increasing the amount of humans and providing even more material good to all of them in order to solve the climate crisis?
>>538752290>billions can die and it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. Well if we have to trim the human race down, we should start with sociopathic sickos like you, chum.>if you want to resolve climate catastrophe billions dying is a good thingThat won't even help considering the billion most polluting humans are rich Europeans and North Americans and aren't likely to become refugees. The average American emits 16 tons of greenhouse gases each year. That's more than like 2 African villages. We need to cut emissions, fertility rates will naturally fall everywhere as women get educated and have access to contraception. The youth spike is a transient thing even in India and Africa. Most of the world will run out of young people within a generation or 2.
>>538744737Every person creating around 1 litre farts which are greenhouse gas per day...that means 8 million cubicmeters farts every day.*prööööt*
>>538751008I’ll ask again, If it’s not self regulating than how has the temp been historically higher and yet it’s come back down? No humans to intervene and yet it returns / stays with in a set range. All of his has occurred before human involvement. >The temperature fluctuates over time. There is no setpoint it's trending to.Lol what’s earth suppose to be set at then? 68 degrees? It trends between a temp window, highs and lows but only occasionally average temps spike to outliers. the human body fluctuates daily in temp so according to you brilliant logic it’s not self regulating?
>>538751008>nobody's saying this.>>538747527>what is positive feedback looplol you literally are saying this
>>538752984>If it’s not self regulating than how has the temp been historically higher and yet it’s come back down? No humans to intervene and yet it returns / stays with in a set range. All of his has occurred before human involvement.Sure, the planet is self regulating. CO2 will get weathered into carbonates and absorbed by the crust.The time scale this happens on is 100,000 years which is obviously pretty irrelevant to the future of industrial civilisation and crop farms. In any time scale that matters to humans we are pretty screwed.
>>538753411>the future of industrial civilisation and crop farms.good I hate all that shit. I hope the doomers are right. billions must die.
>>538752984>, If it’s not self regulating than how has the temp been historically higher and yet it’s come back downBecause some events cause cooling. Idk what you're having trouble understanding. Chemical weathering absorbs CO2 into the rocks. The carbon in fossil fuels was in the atmosphere before being absorbed by plants and buried. Impact events like K/Pg can literally block out the sun.>>538752984>what’s earth suppose to be set at then?There is no setting. That's my point. It's a semi-chaotic system and the temperature's gonna be whatever it's gonna be.>It trends between a temp window, highs and lows but only occasionally average temps spike to outliers.Those "outliers" lasted literally millions of years. Saying there's a temp window it trends towards is like saying the same thing about your bank account. The range is incidental.>>538753170Positive feedback does not imply runaway greenhouse in this way.
>>538751991No , not only. They LITERALLY faked all temperature data, close to 90% of it. They installed temperature monitors in heated areas full of asphalt, like downtown cities, airports , etc. There is literally ZERO proofs of any HUMANS caused climate change. As I said. 95% of green house is oceans and water vapor, and CO2 is plant food. All of this crap is absolutely retard level FAKE pseudo-science. >which is what happens if you fake everything >and let women and jeets run everything .>and you WANT the result that you want, instead of it being a real scientific research.
>>538753920>They LITERALLY faked all temperature data, close to 90% of it.You can keep asserting this all you want. It's patently untrue.
>>538754027Over 90% of temperature data found to be FAKE in some way. Incorrectly installed sensors. Sensors installed in Center cities, full of hot asphalt in summer. Sensors installed in airports , massive asphalt / cement heat sinks. It was ALL FAKE pseudo scientific crap, to fake temperature data.When they got caught it was so embarrassing , that they had to rebrand their embarrassing "global warming" scam into a "Climate change". What happens if you allow women and jeets near any real scientific research.
>>538744737H2O is a very strong GHG. Several times more potent than CO2.Hydrogen Climate Cucks be like:>Lets start using hydrogen engines everywereWhat could go wrong? And the worst case climate will become warmer 4 times faster
>>538744737THIS>>538744966While CO2 has an effect the effect become weaker.Going from 400ppm to 800ppm has less significantly less effect than going from 200ppm to 400ppm.Going from 800ppm to 1600ppm has an even more significantly weaker effect than going from 400ppm to 800ppm.The thing is CO2 is not a magic stuff that infinitely interacts with the entire light spectrum, like everything else it interacts only with certain parts of it and those certain parts only make up a small amount of the the light that hits us from our sun.The best part is, since plant life is highly dependent on CO2 you get a greening effect on earth.Better yet that is that the russian arctic deep ice drilling towards that lake showed CO2 does not prelude warming periods, it trails them.You then also have the recent admittance of the ICPP or what they call themselves nowadays that their entire estimate was bogus and the expect only aax temp rise of 2.5°C by 2100 of which 1.4°C already happened since theor time frame actually starts in 1860 and goes to 2100.These fucker were like over a decade ago revealed to have faked data and graphs and omitted a 250-300 year warm period in the middle ages that was even warmer than their now discarded worst case scenario.Since if they admitted to that in a time of far less humans and no industrialization it would mean they could not say that the current rise in temperatures never happened before and thus must have been the result of humans.
>>538754172These things you think are true are just not true. And as long as you assert them blindly with nothing to back them up, "nuh uh" holds exactly the same rhetorical weight.You are a sheep of a different flock, uncritically believing everything conspiracy grifters tell you.
>>538754198Water vapor (H2O) is the most abundant greenhouse gas and is responsible for about half of Earth's greenhouse effect, making it numerically more powerful in terms of heat trapping compared to carbon dioxide (CO2).While water vapor amplifies global warming, it is not the primary driver of climate change. CO2 is the gas that has a lasting presence in the atmosphere, once it's there, it's not coming out, and heating produced by CO2 is what drives H2O up. So CO2 is the problem, not H2O.
>>538753696>self regulating>uses outside variable (meteor) to explain extreme swingsI don’t think you understand what self regulating means>temps gonna be what they gonna beFalse earth has maintained relatively consistent temps throughout its livable history.(swing of 100 degrees is rather small at cosmic scale).>Those "outliers" lasted literally millions of years.>complains about humans methane production that’s only been occurring for 100 yrsYou thinking small brain bro, you gotta think big brain, we talking millions and billions when at cosmic scale>Positive feedback does not imply runaway greenhouse in this way.>cause I say soWho great argument, so what happens when methane more and more methane gets released from the permafrost? Does it slow down global warming? Positive feedback indicates it would speed up faster and faster as more methane releases
>>538754027>um no sweaty u wrongProduce the source, the methodology, the statistical test used, and p value or shut your stupid fucking faggot mouth
>>538754172>What happens if you allow women and jeets near any real scientific research.this is a little bit simplistic, white men are just as corruptable as any other. but your not wrong on the first point. the entire scientific apparatus has been taken over and used to push a narrative.
>>538754283 >The best part is, since plant life is highly dependent on CO2 you get a greening effect on earth.Yep :))>have the recent admittance of the ICPP or what they call themselves nowadays that their entire estimate was bogus>These fucker were like over a decade ago revealed to have faked data and graphs> and omitted a 250-300 year warm period in the middle ages that was even warmer than their now discarded worst case scenario.>Since if they admitted to that in a time of far less humans and no industrializationBasically there were clearly warm periods in the past, some of them warmer than now. Basically this means humans don't affect planetary temperatures in any significant way, and that there's a planetary Cycle. and we are in a colder cycle, and we will be in a warmer cycle.
>>538753696>the human body isn’t self self regulating since if a meteor hits it it will be outside of 98.7 degrees temp windowGreat argument retard
>>538754359>I don’t think you understand what self regulating meansMy thesis is literally that it's not self regulating. >cosmic scaleThat is not the scale the earth is operating at. The two points referncing that are non-sequiturs.>Positive feedback indicates it would speed up faster and faster as more methane releasesDo some reading on how feedback works in audio systems for an example.If gain is positive but less than 1, there will be amplification and echo. But the volume isn't going to trend to infinity. Tap a mic against a speaker it's attached to to see it in action.This is very basic.
>>538754513>Basically there were clearly warm periods in the past, some of them warmer than now.>Basically this means humans don't affect planetary temperatures in any significant way,You realise an effect can have more than one cause right, shit for brains?
>>538754402I don't need to. Saying they're faked is a positive claim that needs to be backed up. That's how burden of proof works.
>>538754408>the entire scientific apparatus has been taken over and used to push a narrative.This part I agree with. The entire educational system - Universities - and thus the entire educated people, and scientific research that they produce. Has been taken over.>Carnegie, Rockefeller etc. Then you are going to only educate kids who comply with the system , and don't educate the ones that don't . And then you produce scientific stagnation.>exactly what they want.
>>538754652You asked what mechanisms caused the earth to cool down. I provided some. I did not say it was proof that it's not self regulating. That proof is just seeing the degree of fluctuation.
>>538754757Let me try again for a low iq brit glowie here.HUMANS. DON'T. Produce that can affect planetary temperature in any meaningful way. Even cows can affect temperatures more btw. HAHAHAHAHA retarded brit glowie.
>>538753411>the planet is self regulating. CO2 will get weathered into carbonates and absorbed by the crust.Also CO2 is plant food.
>>538754935Yes we do you fucking retard. We and our industrialised crop plants and feed animals are the predominant biomass on earth. Fucking algae poisoned the air with oxygen billions of years ago, humans are much more of a deal than algae. We put 30 billion tons of CO2 into the earth's atmosphere every year. We've doubled CO2 in less than a century. We the fuck wouldn't we have an effect?>Even cows can affect temperatures more btw.COWS ARE PART OF HUMAN INDUSTRIAL CIVILISATION YOU FUCK TARD
>>538755018>cultist mindlessly regurgitating his thought-stoppung mantraYes. "CO2 is plant food." Just keep repeating that until the uncomfortable facts go away.
>>538755054I think pollution and industriallizaion is bad, but carbon dioxide isn't a big deal at all. they are just giving you a boogeyman to collectivise against. its propaganda, ecoterrorism.
>>538755054All irrelevant bullshit .CO2 is less than 5% of greenhouse gases, water vapor is 95 %. If you want to affect 5% CO2, (ok since all data is fake ,likely 3%) .So , if you want to affect 3%, PLANT MORE TREES , idiots. Just start planting more trees. Replant Africa, amazon forests that disappeared ,etc. IF you want to be this green retard and affect 3% of what happens. >and we all know you have ZERO (0) >chance to affect 95% , which is oceans and water vapor / water cycle.So, if you want to be this enviro psycho, GO PLANT SOME TREES IN AFRICA.
>>538754695>don’t think you understand what self regulating meanslol might as well fill out he jannie application now lolol>That is not the scale the earth is operating atIt’s billons years old dude how’s it not operating at cosmic scale?>audio waves to explain global warminglol really stretchingSo more methane being released means earth gets colder or that it doesn’t heat up earth? Why are you concerned about more methane? I don’t think your logic is very sound, why should I be concerned then
>>538755133Yeah we gotta chop the rainforest down to stop the methane production to save the planet
>>538754695>My thesis is literally that it's not self regulating.I heard the Pfizer refund department is hiring
>>538755284No, carbon dioxide is a big problem for human life as is. You're seeing the left jumping on GHG emissions because some of them do hate industrial civilisation and have retarded trad ideas, just like the right, but the maddening thing is we already had a fix for most of it. Nuclear fucking power. It was compatible with industrialisation but the boomers didn't like it. Cunts. The right shouldn't reflexively deny global warming is a problem just because the left sees it as an issue they can make capital from.>PLANT MORE TREES , idiots.Yeah why don't you do the math on how many trees we would have to plant to absorb 30 gigaton of CO2 every year. A tree could absorb maybe 10kg of carbon in a year under good conditions. Where are you going to plant 3 trillion trees per year?That's just to stay fucking neutral let alone roll anything back.
>>538755299Earth's temperature isn't going to run the gamut from absolute zero to the heat of a quasar. It's been a relatively consistent distance from the sun for its entire existence. That's what sets the range.The three contributing factors are going to be:>solar irradianceThe source of the heat>albedoHow much gets reflected>atmospheric composition.The thermal mass of the air.Within those constraints, the earth spent much of its time being effectively inhospitable to humans. From a literal ice ball to a desert planet. By changing the atmospheric composition, we're pushing outselves out of the conditions we've evolved to thrive in.>>538755299>So more methane being released means earth gets colder or that it doesn’t heat up earth?More methane means more warming. See the point about a gain < 1. If you don't understand it, feel free to ask.
>>538755608>boomers didn't like it. Cunts.have you ever considered they didn't really have a choice? or do you think the media is super reliable at keeping corruption at bay?
>>538755608What your tax on Carbon scam - on a carbon life form planet where all life forms are carbon, and you , death cultists , trying to tax life . So, your carbon tax scam didn't work? Sad.
The obsession over carbon dioxide is a distraction from the real issues, namely rampant plastic and forever chemical pollution. The entire planet is now basically saturated with little flecks of chlorides and fluorides, building up in various parts of the environment and doing strange things to complex biological systems in innumerable different creatures. It is by this point basically impossible for us to fix, but it doesn't matter because the companies can go around buying carbon credits and planting a few trees or whatever, claiming they're "green" then continuing the fuck everything else over in various other ways without anyone caring.
>>538755680> to a desert planetYou said earth turning to mars was false, yet here we areWe need to fill in wetland/swamps since they produce the most methane, earth can’t handle methane. >ice ball to a desert planet. By changing the atmospheric composition, we're pushing outselves out of the conditions we've evolved to thrive in.You just said a meteor was responsible for the cold spells so how’s manmade climate change gonna spike temp? Especially since methane you just said isn’t gonna cause a runaway spike? What kinda logic are you following bro
>>538757877>You said earth turning to mars was false, yet here we areThere is no contradiction here. The desert planet we had in the triassic was nothing like Mars.Also, your own AI word vomit explains that rainforests also act as methane sinks. >You just said a meteor was responsible for the cold spells so how’s manmade climate change gonna spike temp?It was responsible for one of them. I also explained chemical weathering as a way for rocks to absorb carbon. And then there's the fact that plants/algae absorbing carbon then getting buried is where the fossil fuels we're burning today came from. The point is many factors contribute to climate. I genuinely don't understand your confusion unless you're being deliberately obtuse.>Especially since methane you just said isn’t gonna cause a runaway spikeMethane released from ice will cause more warming. But it's not going to get to a self-feeding point where it starts getting infinitely hotter with no further inpit from us. If we stop adding our own GHG, the feedback loop halts.
>>538758404>The point is many factors contribute to climate>If we stop adding our own GHG, the feedback loop halts>many factors and yet stopping human factor stops the climate change cycle Wut
>>538751463>tfw dinosaurs carefully recorded temp readingsbro....
this thread contains two of the stupid posters I have ever seen on this website, and i've been posting here for 19 years.>>538754652>>538756269you should both kill yourselves
>>538758868The current warming is caused by human activity. Past warmings were not. That's the point.
>>538744737>Goyium are gas parasites, my fellow ally
>>538744737Car gets hot with windows up. Pretty simple really
>>538762895And the earth will regulate temp as we are part of the system. So not sure what your really tryna say
>>538746171How do photons turn into clouds? lol
>>538768267Earth doesn't regulate temperature. It has never behaved the way you're insisting.
