On July 11, 1943, Ukrainians attacked Poles in 99 towns and villages of the prewar Volhynia Province in the Eastern Borderlands—which were already occupied by the German Third Reich at that time.That day marked the climax of the Volhynia Massacre. At dawn, UPA units—often with the active support of the local Ukrainian population—surrounded and simultaneously attacked 99 Polish villages in the Kovel, Vlodymyr, Horokhiv, and parts of the Lutsk districts. There, the civilian population was exterminated and widespread destruction took place. Villages were burned, and possessions were looted. Researchers estimate that on that single day alone, approximately 8,000 Poles may have been killed—mainly women, children, and the elderly. The Polish population was killed by bullets, axes, pitchforks, knives, and other tools, often in churches during Mass and religious services.July 10, 1943, is considered a symbolic date for the genocide in Volhynia, when members of the UPA tore apart with horses Zygmunt Rumel, a representative of the Polish Underground State who had been sent to negotiate with them. Following this crime, mass murders of the Polish population began in Volhynia and later in Eastern Lesser Poland. It is estimated that Ukrainians, supported by the peasantry, attacked Poles living in 4,300 settlements.Near the destroyed villages and farmsteads, nameless mass graves remained, concealing—most often mutilated—bodies of Polish residents of the Eastern Borderlands.(1/2)
>>538751314(2/2)However, the Ukrainians’ goal was not only the physical elimination of the Polish community but also the eradication of traces attesting to the centuries-long Polish presence in the Eastern Borderlands. Therefore, in parallel with the act of genocide, they destroyed Polish cultural heritage and historical monuments, dealt a blow to the economy of the Eastern Borderlands by burning Polish settlements to the ground, and destroyed Catholic churches with particular ferocity.Between 1943 and 1945, in Volhynia and Eastern Lesser Poland, Ukrainians murdered between 80,000 and 120,000 Poles. The exact number of victims cannot be determined.On July 11, we observe a national holiday: the National Day of Remembrance for Poles—Victims of the Genocide Perpetrated by the OUN and UPA in the eastern territories of the Second Polish Republic.
We will never forget
>>538751314Russian propaganda to divide and conquer
>>538751967>inb4 some edgy tryhard posts "would"
>>538752134your mother
>>538751314If the Nazis are portrayed as evil, I won't watch it.
>>538752134why aren't you at the front rabbi?
>>538751314why do poles suck hohol cock then?
For all these years you've never allowed us to dig our people
>>538752206German Nazis actually are shown to help Poles escape the rabid ukrainians, which while historically accurate, is kinda hilarious
>>538752263the polish-speaking governors you put here to rule Poland are.
>>538752296I'll see it, where?
>>538752350pirate websites of courseinternationally it's called Hatred - Murder of the Innocent. The movie is kinda meh, you would probably be all right rewinding to the second half, when the genocide happenshttps://moviesjoy (dot) art/movie/hatred-08636/
>>538752068What exactly are you trying to prove? It's so sad to think people like you are alive. Im hapoy niggers are raping more americans citizens, robbing, and stealing. You deserve it for typing bullshit like this. Faggot
>>538751314I can't grasps the idea of killing civilians, even less when these same civilians are of your own racial group.
>>538752263that was you before you fled to israel
>>538751314Look what the British and French did to each other, or what we did to Japan. And now we’re all best friends. Shut the fuck up.
https://volhyniamassacre.eu/zw2/history/178,The-Genocide-on-Poles-Conducted-by-the-OUN-B-and-UPA.html>The perpetrators used bullets, axes, pitchforks, knives, and other weapons. Many Poles were killed in churches.
>>538752206Why are brown spaniards simping for Nazis? You know that you're the bottom of European race, right?
>>538751314>>538751358this didn't happen btw. and if it did they probably provoked them and deserved it
>>538751886No one cares. Your own people dont even care. There is also almost zero irredentist sentiment towards the kresy in Poland. You dont even really care yourself you are just stirring the pot.
>>538752461Ukrainians were and still are uncivilized group of savages. Remind you they were 90% illiterate. They have a strong "uncivilized savage" energy among them, which is why Poles were always so horribly disgusted of them and their culture and that's why there's so much effort put into "Volhyn" not just because it was a killing of people, but because of the methods and the combination of the "violent savage mob" aura that Ukrainians emanated and still to some extent do (like they are proud of Cossacks, Haidamaks and other literal subhumans with turkic culture)
>>538752469i'm not jewish
>>538752342how can you explain the sudden shift in mood towards hohols in Poland?
>>538752263We don't. Use ChatGPT about hate crimes against Ukrainians in Poland. There's plenty of them. Just because Poland supports Ukrainians dying against Russia doesn't mean that there's any love for them.
>>538752693>suddenit was the last straw that broke the camel's back. We wanted to keep good relations with hohols since at least 2008. We were fed up already in 2024, but we didn't have a president with balls. Thing is, our president didn't do much, it was zelensky who chimped out and overextended his hand. Outside of /pol/ we keep it cool, and let the monkey called ukraine embarrass itself further, as they are already threatening us with repeating Wołyń. Frankly, this is what you should had done with Palestinians if you wanted to justify attacking them, instead of having Hamas kill civilians
>>538752509It's a shame that Dirlewanger didn't end your lineage.
>>538751314Its only poles, no need to be upset too much. Basically a jew to mongol violence.
>>538752869Did you know dirlewanger was gay? Crazy right. Also so called "Aryan" looks like a total retarded skeleton. You're also a spick
>>538752925If only. Fornutately for us, it was also jews, czechs, hungarians, gypsies and ukrainians themselves. But yes, I am aware that if it was only Poles, you would be right
>At first, local Poles were assured that nothing would happen to them>Then, at dawn, a village was surrounded by armed members of the UPA>axes, knives, hatchets, hammers, pitchforks, shovels, sickles, scythes, hoes and various other farming tools>All of the Poles who were encountered were murdered>most were killed in their homes but sometimes they were herded into churches or barns which were then set on fireAnd you still don't let us look for mass graves on your soil. You still pretend you didn't do it. You still create lies and deceptionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia
>>538752833>>538752783wasn't the UPA Catholic? why do you Slavs hate each other so much?
>>538752693There was just too much of unnatural support from Poland, because part of the people seriously believed this country will civilize mentally, they didn't and they their govenment did stuff that are just very blatant and in your face disrespectful.Now. I do vomit on Ukraine (and Lithuania too), but that doesn't mean I will go an kill Ukrainian because he's one. I don't judge people by their nationality. In fact I believe many Ukrainians in Poland didn't chose the country they were born in and the Ukrainian is a stain on them they don't want to bear. They still are being insulted by the Poles every day because some people are just narrowminded and stupid
>>538753006you should explain to the foreigners that ukrainians are blocking exhumations out of spite with endless red tape, and are not letting us doing any serious search, while at the same time they were okay with letting germans exhume their citizens already
>>538752263Okay so you know how you think of Americans who do all your dirty kike work...?
>>538752964Shut up your fucking kike mouth memeflag, show your indian flag pussy.
>>538753009I don't upa were believing in god. But if you ask about ukrainians, they were probably orthodox. The nationality back then was fluent. If you were born in a mixed family (majority of them), your nationality depended on the gender. If you were born boy - you were called ukrainian. If you were a girl - you were a pole. I'm speaking about the western side of modern ukraine, the eastern is completely different and they don't really like upa, nor the western side. Funnily enough they were the majority of soldiers who were conscripted to fight for ukraine in the current war. When their forces depleted and ukraine had to conscript western side, they started rioting like recently, in Lwów
>>538751314>>538751358Why didn't you join us and declare war on Ukraine for attacking the infrastructure of NATO members.We should have told Putin together to shut up and leave Kiev alone, it is our thing to bomb it and Zelensky 2000 years back into the past.
>>538753009Greco-Catholic and Orthodox. Ukrainians of Volhyn were orthodox and they were the perpetrators but massacres came in other regions as well.And to specify they were some retaliatory massacres on Ukrainians by the Poles, but I frankly am not even suprised. Because If I saw part of my family slaughtered like that I would go into genocidal rage as well if I were on their skin. In general UPA did so much harm to Ukraine and their reputation, future etc. its even hard to comprehend and they are seen as heroes even though they are the reason Ukraine is so hated by literally everyone who had unpleasure knowing Ukrainians, their every neighbor country
Poland exists at the pleasure of the Ukrainian heroes of democracy
>>538752296The biggest error of the Nazis was to not declare you German.
>>538752869Dirlewanger should be sent to southern Europe to clean poop-eyed jeet subhumans from the European continent because you do not belong in here
>>538753195>Why didn't you join us and declare war on Ukraine for attacking the infrastructure of NATO members.Why don't you do anything, other than constantly promoting yourself? Poland gave ukraine patriots, and ukraine thanked you for giving them the patriots. All you ever fucking do is use others and take any eventual splendor, while doing very little yourself
>>538752693stupid poles would support satan himself to spite russia theres not much more to it it took them four years to remember they hate ukrainians too
>>538753251>implying I would want to be a krautHande hoch! Ausweis kontrol
>>538753201>>538753186seems that hohols have a hard time getting along with any of their neighbors, Russians are Orthodox like them and they hate them, Poles are Slavs like them and still hate them.
>>538753284We are romantic at heart. A cynic like you wouldn't understand
https://isakowicz.pl/mapa-z-4500-miejscami-ukrainskiego-ludobojstwa-polakow/You were not only killing, you were torturing our people and making them suffer as long as possible. Demons, literal demons
>>538752436>rewinding to the second halfThe polack jokes write themselves.
>>538753284
>>538751314NOOO GOY YOU MUST ONLY TALK ABOUT HOW THE JEWS SUFFERED
>>538752263Russia Derangement Syndrome.The enemy of their enemy is their friend even if that enemy is a guy who is proud of his grandpa who raped and slaughtered Polish civilians in the Ukraine.Even a Somalian could tell this might be a bad idea but Butthurt Belters have a lower IQ than Africans once Russia is mentioned.
>>538753376without going into a frenzy explain why pigheaded ukrainians held such anti-polish sentiment to the point where they felt compelled to slaughter polish men women and children en masse (including mixed families) what incensed them so much?
>>538753463I think Poles enjoyed seeing Russians slaughter hohols, but now that there is a chance of direct conflict with Russia, Poles have smelled the coffee.
>>538753375>neighborsYou can say that again, they already threatened balts, have bad relations with hungary, czechs and slovakia, romania, bulgaria. Netherlands and Denmark opted out of supporting ukraine. It's like ukrainian diplomacy is cavemen-tier. People make fun of Poland and our mentality, but Ukraine can be summarized as:-having Polish worst flaws and vices amped up to eleven-post-soviet uncurable mentalityWe did try, we really really really tried, because we wanted a bright new future, alas, it is what it is. I'm afraid it's going to boil for the better part of the decade, because ukrainians will probably double down on their idiocy, instead of simply apologizing and hide their retarded uncalled pride in the closet. Oh well, not my problem
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVyd002DosWatch it with translation to English
>>538753531It's a very long tradition. Ukrainians take the tradition from both ruthenia and cossacks. These areas were something like getto full of feral heroes.Read about haidamaki (proto-UPA)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haydamakthese lands were always full of mercenaries, bandits and criminals. At some point they thought that they are a nation. Here you go. As for language, there was no unified Polish language until like XX century, so it's not really an argument, as you could argue that Silesians, Pomeranians, Cracow and so on are different ethnicies as well. It's complicated, but to put it simply, tl;dr styleukrainians are dindunuffinsand if you think that Polish people are niggers, then ukrainians are double niggers
>>538753686*feral niggersfreudian slip perhaps?
>>538753463The significant part of our population is made of so called oikophobes. They love everything foreign and hate everything local. You could've seen them on twitter with ukraine eu and lgbtqwerty flags, voters of Donald Tusk and Rafał Trzaskowski in recent elections. I don't know if you have similar people but these are the individuals who are feeling superior by being morally virtuous aka by self flaggelating. It's like form of a drug or some ritual where they treat their own personal complexes by hating the society they are in by actually being pro-enemy
Why is there so much retarded americans under this post thinking they are rulers of the world? Their leader is a pedophile and a friend of epstein, fucking faggots with no sense of bitterness towards the dead.
>>538753904>oikophobesthankfully, they are a vocal minority that is decreasing over time, it was much worse ten years ago
>>538753463Noted that this crearated strong counter culture and made the nationalist part more exterme. Their "morality" had opposite effect on many people. That's why Nawrocki won recent election. It was a massive culture war in Poland, nobody outside the country knows about it
>>538753541Once the prospect of the Russian Federation being defeated and partitioned like Yugoslavia/Serbia became a pipe dream while the costs of keeping Ukrainians afloat kept mounting while they are being a bunch of ungrateful bums and on top of that glorify mega Polack butcher number 27 or 33 made Poles sober up a bit.
>>538754021I'm really curious how will the next year election fare. If the whole europe votes right, we might live in interesting times
>>538753541First off we don't use the word hohol in Poland. Second of all I'm actually sad about how things are progressing because people who suffer the most are the russophone eastern ukrainians who had nothing to do with the worst aspects of ukrainian history. If they genocided western part I would be totally happy
>>538754192I don't know man, I use it, along with ukrop, upadliniec. We also use "szoszon", so it depends.
>>538753541One thing people forget about Ukraine (and in Poland too in 99% of cases) that Ukriane isn't a monolith. It's rather a Belgium of Eastern Europe. It could be divided on 3 parts in a sort of spectrum. The more west you go the more nationalist and anti russian it is and the more their disgusting ukrainian is spoken
>>538754192also, don't worry, majority of ukrainians here are living normally. With that said, we have problems like-Panczenko-Ukranian companies importing niggers-Ukrainian companies corrupting our system-SBU trying to steal data in our municipalities-Various saboteurs-Banderites pretending to be normalIt will be a problem in the future, but it will depend on whether the ukrainian government collapses, or becomes a kondominium (or kondom minimum). Possibilities are endless
>>538751967Jesus Christ
>>538751314Why is Europe so divided? All of you look white and same but still fight? Just because of language barrier? or is there a caste system?
>>538754382Don't invoke the name of our lord and savior in vain. Alsowe have such sights to show youmaking an accurate movie about the atrocities would make Hostel a Disney movie
>>538753272We hate our politicians for doing that.
>>538754352Can you stop replying to my every comment? Fuck off. I'm not talking with you.
>>538754509well, then we have one thing in common. We hate our politicians too
>>538751314OUN niggers killed everyone they didn't like, not only poles. They did not discriminate. They killed fellow hohols just fine if they had any drop of sympathy for the russians or soviets as a whole. Helped officials to restore peaceful life? Nationalists will come and kill your entire family, take your stuff and burn the house."The man in question is a certain Dmitry Kupyak, nicknamed "Glue" born in 1918 in the village of Yablonovka in the Lviv region. After the war, Kupyak fled to Canada, where he became the owner of a restaurant in Toronto. As a member of the OUN, during the German occupation of western Ukraine and after the expulsion of the Nazis from the Lviv region, Kupiak committed a series of terrorist acts in the villages of Kamianka-Buzkyi, Brody, and Zolochiv districts, and the cities of Lviv and Busk. He committed mass brutal reprisals against Soviet party activists, military personnel, and peaceful Soviet citizens, including women, children, and the elderly, looting their property, the document stated. It was also reported that in October 1945, Kupiak, using documents in the name of a displaced person named Vladislav Brodziak, left for the Polish People's Republic, and from there fled to West Germany and then to Canada.During the investigation, the surviving members of the Security Service militia of the regional OUN "lead" (government), led by Kupyak, were also identified: Volodymyr Oleynik (nicknamed "Holodomor"), Andriy Moroz ("Bayrak"), Stepan Chuchman ("Beryoza"), Pavlo Chuchman ("Benito"), and Petro Smaga ("Zayats")."During the investigation of this case, it was established that the gang of 'Kley' killed: with the direct participation of V.I. Oleynik – 68 Soviet citizens, A.P. Moroz – 59, P.Z. Chuchman – 49, S.I. Chuchman – 35, and P.A. Smaga – 33 Soviet citizens, and with their direct participation, burned down the village of Adamy in the Brody district, which consisted of up to 300 households," the document stated."
>>538753313Polish Border Control: Occupation?German: No, just visiting!
>>538754555okay :^)
>>538754587Cannot hate them enough.I actually had a bit hope for Europe left when you guys fought against taking in all those shit hole muslim refugees.
>>538751314Not even caste different. Yall retards fighting for nothing. kek.
source: https://www.gdanskstrefa.com/dwukrotnie-zamordowani-film-wolyn/Demons, butcherers and devils
>>538754657There is still hope, but it's hard to tell. There is a very strong desire to go back to roots, and make EU more of a practical co-operation, instead of soviet union 2.0. Time will tell, but I am optimistic.
>>538754728These kids were the lucky ones, because they weren't quartered and burned
>>538754728Horrible
>>538754594They were attacking Polish Army too, in the Bieszczady region in South East Poland including attacking Polish villages. The genocide also happened within modern Polish borders too (shockingly so) but given the owewhelming majority of Polish ethnos the reprisals got also brutal and Polish army had an overwhelming victory against UPA bandits and it resulted in ethnic cleansing of all ukrainians and Lemkos out of Poland and to western and nothern parts of a country known as Action WisłaUkrainian propaganda spin it as a genocide of Ukrainians. In my opinion they should've been shot down not expelled
>>538754451If you haven't noticed Europe enjoys a huge conflict that destroys several parts of it every century. It's been a while since the last one.But don't worry this time Russia will be defeated before Christmas and all their nukes don't work. The Rabbi on TV told me so!
>>538754594>They killed fellow hohols just fine if they had any drop of sympathy for the russiansPoor Galicia suffered a lot from ethnic cleansing. It was very prorussian region with Lvov being the local center of russophilic circles. But during ww1, when russian imperial army retreated from Galicia, after being welcomed with flowers, massive terror campaign began directed by austrians and executed by hohol nationalists(astrian clients), local citizens where put into concentration camps like Thalerhof for just having books in russian, all orthodox priests were sent into the camps, where torture and mass murders continued. Hunt for any prorussian element never stopped until 1918. Three years of terror and ethnic cleansing. During the ww2 and after it ethnic cleansing and terror campaign by hohol nationalists continued, but now largely focusing the poles. After ww2 soft ukrainization continued just like in eastern ukraine, because bolsheviks's policy was to mold everyone in local republic into titular nationality. As a result Galicia now is a rabid hohol nationalist den, decades of terror and ethnic cleansing combined with centralized ukrainization during soviet rule changed the cultural and ethnic landscape completely.
>>538755091To be fair, had russia modernized itself and instead of bloating itself more, introduced real democracy, it wouldn't be such a bogeyman. The problem is that they're stuck in their XIXth century mentality. We just want to live and prosper, but for russia, it's a criminal offence
In Poland, the prevailing view is that we have more in common with Belarusians than with Ukrainians. And I’ve found the reason for this. Ukrainians have more Balkan blood, with a greater Greek influence. Whereas Poles and Belarusians, it turns out, have a significant Italic (Etruscan) component, which is a purer Western Mediterranean influence. And the Balkans are a seething cauldron - that’s why Volhynia became what it did. The war in the Balkans would have looked just like that too if they’d been left to their own devices and NATO hadn’t intervened. It’s unbridled savagery. From a genetic point of view, a Ukrainian will never be closer to my heart than a Belarusian, and genetics is everything that shapes who we are, that provides the narrative for our behaviour through our mental makeup.
>>538754451It's not. EU countries are good. When it comes to the outside EU it's a battle royale.
>>538755184I mean ukranians are just niggers with a different coat. I don't know why poles tolerate them. If you don't like Russians why bother thinking they are different.
>>538755184Belarus is probably the only country that we should apologize for how they were treated over centuries. With that said, they are a very meek people for being beaten up too many times, so it's hard to tell if they can ever recover their mental health
>>538755184They’ve also got some Turkish ancestry near moldovia in the south, crimea and east; all in all, it’s an unremarkable genetic mix that sets us apart. Don’t trust a Ukrainian, even if you think he’s incapable of stabbing you in the back.
>>538755277Because it suited our interest. Now it doesn't, and we change our stance. Politics are dynamic. Alliances and feuds change, depending on the situation. USA, of all countries should know that. I could very well ask, why Obama, Biden and Trump tried to appease Putin, knowing very well that Russia considers USA a rival, and not an ally? Because of kissinger and the concept of uniting with Russia against China? It was never going to happen, and yet, american politics deluded itself into believing that
>>538755282>>538755184how do you feel about Russians, Czechs, Croats, Serbs?
>>538755184This is absolute cope. Western banderite Ukrainians are the closest thing to a Pole. Noted they were on a literal Polish lands. These parts were Poland for like almost 1000 years, it was a core Poland in fact. So called Eastern Galicia (Lwów) was one of the core places of Poland historically. And the people there were never called Ukrainians in history, they were usurpers. They are Ruthenians who claimed they are Ukrainians, wanted Ukrainians state and decided that they way to do it is to kill polish children and pregnant women with axes
>>538755166You could say the same for the US but Poles have no problem fellating them.The only true part is that Russia could have been less of an oligarch shithole and more what Peter the Great had envisioned. They would have more than Belarus, Crimea etc. on their side but Poles would certainly still be mostly anti-Russian because they can't get over their superiority-inferiority complex with Russia.
>>538755405>Russians eternal serfs>Czechsthey are to us what Dutch are to Anglo-Saxons. Funny.>Croats, SerbsI lump them together. To be honest not a biggest fan of Balkans and their culture
>>538755405I like people of all nation, unironically, maybe except niggers.What I think about people should be separated from what I think about the governmentRussian people - great and hospitable people, until you start talking with them about politics and history, then they go feralCzechs - as a nation, they were cowards and were going the path of least resistance. But as people - great pals, great beer, and great neighbours. They are like us, they want to grill, have a beer and just live without war.Croats - extremely similar language and mindset. It's very easy to communicate with Croats. They are like Poland if we were mediterranean. At the same time, I don't think I understand their mentality, it is alien to me.Serbs - unironically, easier to understand, despite their russophilia. Mentality wise we have much more in common, it's just that Serbia put their horse on Russia, while we put our horse on the western culture. Serbs cannot override it, and as such, they will be stuck where they are, never reaching the greats they could. But overall, both Serbs and Croatians are chill. I spend vacations in Yugoslavia, and I stayed at house of a Serbian-Croatian marriage, and they told me the stories how they had to escape their villages, like Romeo & Juliet. For a normal Pole, the amount of hatred that happened in Yugoslavia is hard to understand. I remember when we were driving through Yugoslavia, you had literal ghost towns, where the radio broke down, and you had towns with bullet holes from the guns. An eerie and decrepit sight. Former yugoslavian states joining EU was a massive blessing to them. Too bad that Serbia is too stuck in their russian worship to improve itself
>>538755617I personally love Russians and Russian culture, they have had a hard history being in the middle of the mongol hordes on one side and the back stabbing euros on the other.
>>538755678do you think we will ever see Slavs getting along?
>>538755693Russia has a history of shooting themselves in the foot and using their population as a tool and a cannon fodder. They are continuing their tradition with the botched Ukraine war.
>>538752509wenn ich das sehebin ich echt sauerPolackenlümmelscherien White Powero wie ich dieses Scheißvolk hasseseit wann gehören Polackenzur arischen Rasse
>>538755548Take a Kashubian, someone from the north of the country, or from the centre - not from Kraków, Silesia or the south of the country in general. Ukrainians are genetically further removed from Poles from the north. Belarusians seem distant because they have a significant Baltic admixture, which brings them closer to Lithuania, but what connects us is an Italic-Etruscan admixture, not a Greek one. Ukrainians from Lviv are people with a significant Greek-Balkan admixture. Do people in Poland have results showing 14 per cent Greek DNA? No, they don’t; such people have a mixed genetic profile with a family history in Ukraine.
>>538751886>We will never forgetgood
>>538755820they live surrounded by threats. but still managed to be tolerant and polite people, compare them to the mutts that live surrounded by oceans and are very aggressive and cruel.
>>538755757No.There is no such thing as Slavic identity. The countries are foreign to one another. We're good with literally everyone in Europe right now. It's the post Soviet scum that is causing dismay
>>538751314Am I supposed to feel sorry for Poles? What about the Bloody Sunday? They got done to them, what they did to Germans
>>538755757We kinda already are. We really really really wanted Ukrainians to join the fold and be civilized, but they chose bandera, and what's actualyl dangerous, they are scheming here in Poland.What isn't widely discussed is that we have "activisits" like Panczenko, who tries to stir shit here and is using D&C tactics. We have shady ukrainians companies, which for some reason, are importing jeets and niggers. We have criminal element, who does the same shit that Polish mafia was doing in the 90s. We have a lot of problems that we will have to deal with. But yes, I think that we will get along, but unfortunately, it won't happen if russia fucks off with their imperialist dreams and unless they become a real democracy, they're always will undermine whatever happens in europe. They don't see that their lives would be better too, if instead of being an eternal foe, they had something to offer outside of military threat. In a way, it's a mongol tribe-tier mentality, albeit even Mongols calmed down.
>>538751314Fuck polish people
>>538755889>they live surrounded by threatsThey were a literal empire. They were as much theat to the others as they were threatened
>>538751314jew on jew violence.*yawn*
>>538755184Various warlords from Attila to various Khans to Ottomans raped whatever Slavs were unfortunate enough to be born in the Ukraine while the more Northern parts of Russia and Poland were more spared because the dense forests meant trouble for Turkic/Mongolic horsemen.I think these rapebaby Slavs are the real Ukrainians while the more meek normal Ukrainians are just descendants of mostly Russian peasant settlers once the Russian Empire colonized the place.
>>538755889threat they create themselves. Do you really think that anyone wants to attack russia? For real? For what purpose? Economic? You don't need army to do that - Russian oligarchs gladly will sell their resources for nothing, if you show them respect and kiss their hand. Russia doesn't understand that respect is earned. Why people were attracted to USA? Because of nuking hiroshima? Or because american culture became attractive? Why can't russia do the same? Because they're too busy being corrupted and not caring about the fellow russian, that's why
>>538755931>>538756003poop-eyed moment
>>538753251They wanted, but after interacted with polish people, they decided to kill all poles
>>538753416You can't do anything. We will kill you all and replace
>>538755855Ukrainians from the north-central regions, those closest to Belarus, are the closest to what we might call the ‘pure’ early Slavs. And so half of Ukraine suddenly turns out to be genetically distant from the early Slavs with significant greek-balkan admixture
>>538751314>pole massacre number lost countdo poles enjoy it yet?
>>538756051nah, he's right. polak is about a real ethnicity as okrainian or litvak or lithuanian or a fin, etc. you're all retards hoodwinked by the jew.keep on bickering though about this fakeass shit right into extinction, faggots.
>>538754352>majority of ukrainians here are living normally.Thank you. We will replace you
>>538756032You're completely misjudging the situation.The modern anti-russian ukrainian nationalism is literally a by product of Austrian meddling in former occupied Poland (Galicia, Austrian partition) modern Western Ukraine (Lviv, Ternopil region)It has nothing to do with Turks, Steppes, Mongol invasion. Majority of Ukraine was literally empty in the medievals. The steppes were gradually settled, but the Slavs managed to made a great use of it with their agricultural skills and the fact that they turned out to be the most fertile lands in Europe which resuled in population explosion. Ukraine is a literal reason why Russia became Empire.
>>538756129To be fair, I don't really such deep going analysis, considering that like I mentioned before, being ukrainian was sometimes a matter of gender. It's quite possible that your ancestors were ruthenian too. What is important, is culture, and where you stand
>>538756032Imagine having a country that has nothing to do with one specific niche region that isn't even Ukrainian (Ruś Halicka was never called Ukraine and its people were never called Ukrainians in history either) grown totally under western oriented governments either under Poland and later under Austria-Hungary then Poland again, never under Russia to claim it as "core Ukraine" when it's just false. Modern Ukrainian nationalism is a hostage of that specific region with vastly differnt history and outlook on the world. If you think that Ukrainians fought against Russia because of "holodomor" you are too wrong because "holodomor" never happened within Poland and these lands were PolishThey were just chauvinistic radical nationalists
>>538755184>we have more in common with Belarusians than with UkrainiansCan be said about russians too. Belarussians are basically russians by genetics. Same cluster.From left to right: Orel oblast, Moscow oblast, Bryansk oblast, South poles(white color region)
source: https://zbrodniawolynska.pl/ftp/zbrodnia_wolynska/The-July-1943-genocidal-operations-of-the-OUN-UPA-in-Volhynia.pdf>The barbaric frenzy reached a point that people were sawed apart alive, women had their breastssevered
This never happened
>>538753376Why didn't you tell the world what the bolshevik jews were doing to the Russian people? There are so many things you could have done to prevent the war, or at least stall it long enough for it to be unwinnable for the jews
>>538757129Nigger. We literally stopped bolsheviks in 1920, which was also partially the reason that ukraine had resentment towards us, because their army was too weak to be of any help and got crushed by them. We salvaged what was possible, but we were already exhausted by WWI
>>538756994It's all the same Slavic genetics thoughI mean, your group is not "different" from any of the other groups, except on an exceedingly miniscule level.
>>538756994You’ve got a complex problem because you have people of Turkic and Tatar - Mongolian descent, Chechens and others from the Caucasus living in your country; you have a large proportion of Muslims. If I had to choose, I wouldn’t want to live amongst people who are so genetically different. I believe that east of the Volga there are no Slavs, only steppe hybrids. And then in the north, you have the Finno-Ugrians. You have an average of 5% Mongolian admixture across the whole country – that’s why the dark green colour >>538756129 doesn’t extend deep into your country and ends somewhere around Moscow, whilst further east there’s already a divergence from the genetic profile of a medieval Slav. Those living in Smolensk, Pskov and Orel have a significant Baltic component; you often see 60% Baltic ancestry on MyHeritage, which is understandable as Baltic tribes once reached that far, and you didn’t adopt much Balkan blood because it’s too far away, but the threat to you comes from people from the Caucasus, the Finno-Ugrians-Finns and Tatars living not even beyond the Urals but right on the outskirts of Moscow - and these are people who are genetically foreign to you as Slavs. South-West of ur country but not to far south-west is genetically close to belarusians, yes
source: https://zbrodniawolynska.pl/ftp/zbrodnia_wolynska/The-July-1943-genocidal-operations-of-the-OUN-UPA-in-Volhynia.pdf>others were impaled or beaten to death with sticks
>>538757326also, now that you mention, back then we had an alliance with Simon Petlura, an actual and legitimate ukrainian hero that is somehow forgotten and never mentioned ever by Ukrainians. It's true that he failed, but we escorted him to the west, and helped him organizing Ukrainian army in case to reclaim the Ukrainian lands from bolsheviks, alas, he was killed by a kike, UPA started terrorizing Poland, and we were preparing for war with Germany and everything went to shit afterwards
>>538756284>>538756533You know more about this than me, but I think you misunderstand a bit what I'm saying. The southern parts (literally Turk/Muslim back then) are the most Russian for the same reason North America isn't very Native American anymore. They settled the place like colonies. Meanwhile the medieval Rus that were raped the hardest by Mongols and Muslims who are also not entirely new (North) Russian settlers are now Center and West Ukraine.There has to be some genetic component to why Belarus is more liked and more intelligent than Ukraine. And why Crimea (almost literally pure Russian and far away from the richer West Europe) is less of a shithole than places West of Kiev.
>>538757326Nigger ukraine was fighting a multifront war and poland being treacherous niggers decided to invade and take territory form the ukrainian army's back. Then what? Poles were part of the allied faggotry alliance in ww2 pushing germany to its limit and were trying to assert themselves onto ukrainian territory. Stfu and declare war on ukraine if you feel so inclined. Polish russian cunt.
>>538757596NIGGER. The only reason the territory was divided was because either soviets would take everything, or something was salvaged. Like I said here >>538757462 We still supported Ukrainian efforts, we helped Ukrainian soldiers escape russian gulags and we were funding and trying to rebuild their army. The problem started when germany-funded ukrainian "nationalists" started assassinating polish politicians, as well as ukrainian writers and politicians (yes, they were allowed to participate in Poland) who wanted a solid Ukrainian-Polish front against russia. Poltics, are not an easy story to tell in one paragraph. And sure, we made many mistakes too, and could have had a better foresight, but we had plenty of our problems on our own. But certain things are not to be argued. What upa / oun did is unforgivable. But even today, we don't really blame ukrainians themselves, we blame zelensky, budanow, and the cult of bandera. Can you smell the difference?
>Many people were killed – after adeath sentence – by having their hands and feet chopped off, and only then their heads.source: https://zbrodniawolynska.pl/ftp/zbrodnia_wolynska/The-July-1943-genocidal-operations-of-the-OUN-UPA-in-Volhynia.pdf
>>538757326>1920>stopped themYou didn't answer my question, and you know why.
>>538757488Southern parts of Ukraine were never muslim. They were dominated by sparse amount of nomadic tribes that were pagans. Tatars who settled in Crimea only converted to Islam later on in hostoryThe reason of demographic shift it kind of correct, but native Americans were mostly killed of by the disease. The natives of Ukraine were either killed or were absobed within the setting population. Some Ukrainians do have turkic heritage because of that in fact many placenames in Ukraine are turkic, such as Tokmak.The Medieval Rus that was slaughted by the Mongols broke into principalities that were later joined into Grand Duchy of Lithuania - that state is basically a legal continuator of Kievan Rus. It was virtually a Rus, not Lithuanian state. Already Christian. Only after personal union with Poland in 1384 did balts became christianized, which just comes to show the vast difference in civilization between the former Rus and baltic lands. >There has to be some genetic component to why Belarus is more liked and more intelligent than UkraineThere's literal none. The main factor about Belarus politeness is the fact that their entire history was being part of Russia. Sure. They were part of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but after the partitions not a since chunk of it was part of any western oriented country that would use them as for their divide and conquer tactics. They virtually saw themselves as Russians. And... that's very similar to the "turko-mongolic" steppe Ukrainians who not only were always within Russia they were never within Poland even. The reality is way more nuanced than you think.In hindisght - it's the western Ukraine (Galicia) to blame for all disasters that Ukraine is currently facing. Remember that most Maidan rioters in 2014 were exactly from there while Eastern Ukrainians were organizing anti Maidan. The same Ukrainians were burned to death by these "people" in Odessa.
>>538758104Not really sure what you mean, but let's have fun. Russian wellbeing is not my concern. Just like Polish wellbeing is not your concern, or anyone else's.In regards to history, I remember that we had an actual talks with the remnans of White Russia, and even helped them with fights. The problem with them is that they wanted Poland back into Russian Empire, instead of sovereign nation, so at some point, we dropped them. Realpolitik.Unless you mean something else, then feel free to enlighten me?
>>538752461>these same civilians are of your own racial groupWonder how many of the Ukranians were khazarian jews. The level of savagery is on par with stories from the Kitos War.
>>538757392As a whole, yes, differences are minimal, locally still, regions vary. for example yellow drop outside of Moscow is a historical Kasimov tatars region, tatars who pledged their allegiance to russian tsar for exchange to protection and place to live, before it was mainstream. Or that yellowish Kharkov in the Ukraine. It was a frontier fortress line, with Kharkov being the small russian fortress against tatar raids, and to settle this territory outsiders from lower parts of Dnepr river were relocated.
>>538754598Kino
>>538751314why are they so cruel and spiritually dead inside?
>>538751314>Despite being in love with a Ukrainian boy from the same village, Polish girl named Zosia is forced into marrying a wealthy widower. Soon World War II begins and ethnic tensions arise. Amidst the war chaos Zosia tries to survive.why do Poles depict themselves as cucks in their own propaganda?
>>538759724we learned it from you
>>538751314Ukrainians didn't exist in 1943.That's as retarded as saying Texas invaded Iraq.
>>538759857And yet, because we want to argue in good faith, we acknowledge their existence. And somehow, we are to blame for their misery
Europeans are their own worst enemies. Collectively. Historically.
>>538760833I am not a history buff, but I find it hard to believe that Ukrainians would commit all these atrocities if they hadn't been oppressed by the Poles
>>538751886Why did you:>Steal land from Ukrainians>Make them your serfs>Colonize them and kick them out of their own cities>Make them second class citizens>Try to force Ukrainians to convert to CatholicismIn other words why is Poland so fucking jewy? Not to excuse any of the atrocities that happened to innocent Poles, but still. This is the backstory here.
>>538752638>they probably provoked themThis is *exactly* what happened.>A Jew will always tell you what happened to him, but never whyOP is not giving the entire story.
>>538761642You committed atrocities to us, and we didn't wołyń'd you (we should, though)
>>538761642atrocities by germans, the greatest hits>teutons>partitions>kulturkampf>bismarck>WWI>hitler>WWII>Merkeland yet, we like Germans. How come? Why Polish people can like German neighbors despite the history, but Ukrainians can't? Expalin it to me?
>>538761887Because these lands were under the rule of the Polish king longer then your country has been independent, you moron.
>>538762934You stole it and oppressed them though.
>>538762997Yes, a peasant with no rights oppressed another peasant with no rights.
>>538762997Stole from who? Russians? Funny coming from "American" though
>>538763269For them, history begins in 1607.
>>538763415I also don't expect any reply from a german, but it's a good argument - Poland never genocided Germans, despite the tragedy that befall on us (how poetic) from their hands. How come, that we never impaled german kits or cut their women in half? Maybe, it's just that we aren't savage niggers?
>>538763269And there is some truth to that, because, for instance, we abandoned those territories during the rule of Józef Piłsudski when Russia attacked—except that we were unable to defend ourselves on our own, something Ukrainians tend to forget.
>>538752143Was she ok?
>>538752216No matter what war, Jews seem to come out on top. It's unreal. I bet Iran will somehow get crushed too.
>>538763579because we are white niggers. Imo I’m proud that Poles showed they would fight for freedom.
>>538763632>edgy responseHer head was still workingHaving a sense of humor, even in the most inappropriate moments is a Polish trait
>>538763855we are not niggers. I mean, officially we are, so nobody bothers us. It's just that we have generational trauma, and we are prohibited from healing, no wonder we go crazy. But don't worry, it'll be all good. Each decade without war on our soil is a massive win for Poland. I wish we would have less self-hatred, and more maturity as a nation and understand the difference between helping someone, and getting cucked. Alas, we still did a massive growth
>>538751314Bump and fuck Oinkraine and Khazars
>>538752206Nazis were actually baffled by how barbaric the hohols wereIt's hard to listen to the survivors stories, which there are plenty you can see on youtube. They're like legit horror stories. Polish villages and villagers scared to leave, because in the forests hohols with pitchforks were only waiting. And scared to stay, because they knew sooner or later they'll come to dismember everyone and burn the village to the ground, by their motto "6. You will not hesitate to commit even the greatest crime, if the good of the cause demands it.7. With hatred and deceit you will receive the enemies of your nation."I just can't understand, what those hohols were really thinking. You're building a country on the worst thing possible. I don't get it>>538752296I wouldn't go as far as to say they helped, cause it wasn't a regular thing, but there were probably some who did help.
>>538763959Perhaps we misunderstood each other. We have a beautiful, tragic, and also terrible history we have our own skeletons in the closet, too. As for "white Negroes," read up on Haiti (that is actually a positive chapter in history).
>>538764353>I wouldn't go as far as to say they helped, cause it wasn't a regular thing, but there were probably some who did help.they obviously did it for a reason. First they incited ukrainians for violence, and then they presented themselves as saviours. I wanted to trick the glownigger into watching a movie, though. It's a shit movie though.Smarzowski as his name implies (smażyć - to cook things), shouldn't make movies, he should fry fries in mcdonald. Such an important topic was wasted by his lack of talent. But sometimes, better something than nothing, and the movie is shocking enough to make women pee their pants, so it's also good. I do wonder how ukrainians are going to backtrack from that, especially that their home nazis don't want to be conscripted, and many of them prefer to live high life in Poland?
>>538751886> We will never forgetUtter bullshit, the entire nation has collectively forgotten and now supports the same Banderites. Fuck you
>>538764481I am perfectly aware of Haiti. I just don't think we should call ourselves niggers, except ironically to scare the foreigners. We also have negroes fighting in Powstanie Kościuszkowskie (a Pole) and Powstanie Warszawskie (a tourist from Nigeria for some joined Poland against Germany, go figure). But alas I digress. The point is, and I'd rather not make it public,but we should bykować fajnopolactwo to the extinction
>>538763959If Ukraine wants to join the EU, they’re doing the same thing to it as they did to the Czech Republic anyway.
>>538752263why are kikes paedophiles?
>>538764601Honestly, it will take at least 30 years for Ukraine to join EU (if it still exists at this point). I already said it here somewhere. But Ukraine is like Poland on cocaine. Our every flaw, they have it amped to eleven + post-soviet russian mentality..More probable is that they will be used as a dumping ground for our *german friends* so they can produce their shitty cars without worrying about ETS. And of course, germans are going to be cucked out of their own business, just like china did it. But germany will not listen to reason, they have a plan, it's a solid plan, discussed back and forth, what do you not understand goy? Just like mercosure, they will push it
>>538763959>I wish we would have less self-hatredNigger, go see /uhg/. A seething wykopek hidden under Finnish flag, goes hail bandera and full silniczek mode if you trigger him hard enough.We have a rotten generation of such dumbfucks with commie collaborators in their family tree, that the only value they build their identity on is shitting on Poland and larping as rootless "europeans". It's either this or admitting that their family and they, themselves, are a walking cancer that should be stripped of citizenship.
>>538761887>>538761803Yes those women and children did that
>>538764748Without a doubt, Germany will make the biggest profit. Only the Germans still don't quite understand how Eastern-style corruption works something the IKEA chain discovered firsthand. Ukraine won't change even in 50 years; what’s needed here is a healthy environment and a generational shift,corruption was here before, and it will remain.Even Ukrainians in Poland don't believe in change.
Wow, I've never heard of this heartless massacre before, but after learning about it, I'm ready to move to Russia and join the Special Military Operation to defeat the Banderite Nazi Hohols in The Ukraine.
Now Ukrainian agents are in Poland trying to flood Poland with rapefugees.
>>538752134This.
>>538765041/uhg/ is glownigger central, you can recognize every single flag and memeflag. I am perfectly aware of it, and I troll it from time to time. Don't worry about /uhg/, there are always szmalcownicy co bardziej nienawidzą wroga, niż kochają Polskę (i mówię tutaj dwuznacznie, bo nie chodzi o ukraine czy rosję - nasza niechęć do wroga czasem przesłania zdrowy rozsądek i zaburza zdrowy osąd sytuacji), but don't worry about them. They are minority. Don't get angry. I really want to applaud how our president handled the situation. And frankly, it's getting better. My request? Read "Syzyfowe Prace" and learn from it.And let me give you how this whole situation escalated and notice a pattern>Poland helps ukraine in 2022, gives humanitarian aid, and so on>Poland is denied exhumation and is told not to disturb ukraine, or else>We sucked it up, thanks to Duda being a spineless cuck>We have Now-rocky (yes, I voted for him)>Ukraine gives a reason to react (let's not fool oursevles, we had problems with this for a long time, but it was a good reason)What president does?>he publicly says that he considers taking away the POLISH order of honor, which is fair - polish honr shouldn't belong to people who don't honor Poland>Zelensky chimps out>Now-rocky says - we are discussing it, and it's into consideration, we give 2 weeks for ukrainian side to rethink it>Zelensky chimps out more and doubles down>Now-rocky says - okay, I decided that we will take away the order>Before any paper is signed (and that's crucial), Zelensky not only gives back his order in the most humiliating way he thinks possible, he also forces other presidents to send it as well>Zelensky tries to stir shit>Now-rocky laughs it off and ends discussion>From Polish side, the argument is over>Ukrainian side escalates>Ukrainians try to involve germans, and EU to force Poland>Poland avoids escalation>Ukrainians chimp out harder>bandera condemned, countries opt out, vague promises
>>538751886Ein verlassener Ort am Rande des Reichs-Die Strassen sind leer, bedeckt mit Schnee und Eis! Über den Dächern weht ein eisiger Wind-Sag mir einer, wo all die Menschen sind!Nebelschwaden steigen empor-Kein Hauch von Leben mehr an diesem Ort! Am Wegesrand liegt ein noch kleines Kind- Sag mir einer, wo all die Menschen sind!Feige erschlagen, an Bäumen erhängt-An die Häuser genagelt, die Kinder ertränkt! Die Augen ausgestochen und lebendig verbrannt-Leichen angespült am einsamen Strand!Enthauptet, aufgespiesst, die Gedärme zerfetzt-Die toten Körper geschändet, zu tode gehetzt! In der Kälte erfroren, die Gesichter entstellt-Vergewaltigt und verstümmelt vor den Augen dieser Welt!Ein Berg von Steinen ist alles, was blieb von all dem, was sie hatten geliebt! Wo einst Kinder spielten-Ein Massengrab! Kein einziges Kreuz-Nur ein erderner Sarg!Doch wir, wir werden nie vergessen, wer eure Mörder warn-Euer Andenken in unseren Herzen tragen, erinnern, wie es wirklich war! Wir, wir werden nie vergessen, so wie ihr wart- Euer Andenken in unseren Herzen tragen, erinnern, wie es war!Erinnern, wie es wirklich war! Ein Blutiger Tag im Februar!
>>538765087Don't worry, Germany is not really that certain about Ukraine. They will have to make deals with russian first, so they don't shell their factories. Nobody knows if it's going to happen or not at this point. In other words, our enemies, as usual overextended their hand. I only wish, our commentators started to notice that. As much as I hate Wojczal, he summarized it perfectly. I also recommend listening to what Dominika Cosic said.In regards to the great "meeting" in Gdynia. The amount of deals for "repairing for Ukraine" amounted to 10 millions, and majority was "listy intencyjne" which means, that yeah, we are interested, but not currently. Add to the fact the increasing anger in Lwów about conscription, and you slowly get the full picture of the actual situation of Ukraine, not the one portrayed in media.Poland is very smart that is not doing anything hastily. And don't get demoralized. We are observing the situation, and finally, we are doing realpolitik
>thread about poland and ukraine>ctrl+f>rus>94 results
>>538751314My wife offered to watch this film with me soon, is it good? I'm not polish, am a WASP (she is a pollack)
>>538765628Die gedanke sind freiEr kann sie erratenSie fliehen vorbeiDie nachtliche ShattenKein mamn kann sie wissenKein jager erschiesenes bleibet dabeiDie Gedenken Sind Frei
>>538765751watch it nigger, and learn to not be a nigger, if it's even a possibility for you
>>538751967in the unedited pic she had such nice tits
>>538765668>In regards to the great "meeting" in GdyniaThe 7th meeting by the way, just as productive as others. It's hard to treat it seriously when the war still goes on. The scale of destruction and unknown size of the area where investments will take place makes any assessments impossible.
>>538765845Do you even know what WASP means you Slavic monkey nigger? I bet you open beer bottles with your forehead
>>538751314Oinkers from my neighbourhood are having party with a fireworks rn.Do you think, they are celebrating Volhynia massacre?
>>538765972if you don't recognize polish bant. you sure you date a Pole and not some tranny? she should explain it to you
>>538754728These are Finnish children from Seitajärvi. Murdered by soviet partisans
>>538751314BLOOODY BENCHOD SUNDAY SAR
>>538766051Do you even know polish women? Do you hear them bant or just expouse leftist bullshit? I was really surprised she wanted to watch this considering the war, bad for liberal optics.
>>538765966yes, and nothing productive happened. of course /uhg/ will think otherwise, after all they treat seriously the comment by Trump that they will produce patriots. Never mind that the guy flip flops all the time, it's just that this is the kind of technology that cannot be produced or licensed by anyone. Some people see in this statement the fact that ukrainians attempted to steal the technology, which was a veiled threat. Oh well. I don't care, and I already spent too much time on that. I am more focused on Poland and Polish strategy. I don't give a fuck about some assholes
>>538765668>Don't worry, Germany is not really that certain about UkraineIt’s already been signed in Gdańsk, and Poland’s share is only a small percentage but perhaps that’s a good thing.>but not currently. Add to the fact the increasing anger in Lwów about conscriptionIn Russia, there were no protests, but the mechanism was similar except that in Ukraine there are roundups, whereas in Russia they look for drunks or husbands (’m not sure about that, because apparently they’ve reduced the compensation for deaths in the special operation.).
>>538766173To be fair, despite all I said in this thread, I wouldn't mind an ukrainian woman, but alas. Yeah, Jokes aside and enjoy the movie. Don't treat everything you read on a mongolian basket weaving forum personal
>>538765493>We sucked it up, thanks to Duda being a spineless cuckUntil early 2023 you could rationalize it. The situation was not stable, further development was hard to predict and the midget actor did a lot of performative acts in the media>they have war>existential threat>he apologized for the red-black patch, mkay>how are we going to maintain those all rust buckets made in USSRBut let's be honest, it was clear when that missile hit Przewodów.Romanians have legitimate reasons to freak out over Ukrainian swimming bombs reaching their coast.
>>538766225What was signed was an agreement that they want to form some platform for a dialogue. The whole meeting in Gdańsk can be summarized - 10 millions across like 6 countries. Do you really think that a country can be rebuilt from a massive war with only 10 million countries. You also need to take into the account the following-bribery-eastern mafia-protection racket-russian sending rockets-corruption at every bureauractic stepLook, if they sent Sławomir Nowak back for being too honest, it should tell you everything
>>538766269It is a fact that I really enjoy shitposting with this flag while I'm visiting here (we come once a year to see family), it's very liberating
>>538758219Poland was the only nation privy to the (((horrrors))) being committed in Russia during the 20s and leading up to 39. They chose to not share this information with the world at large. Such information would have made war with any nation not called USSR politically impossible, and poisoned any anti NSDAP propaganda in Western Europe.
>>538766283>Until early 2023 you could rationalize it.All true, I myself did it.Good news: we have literally no reason to feel any guilt about that. We did the best we could, despite the circumstances. We really are the Jesus of the nation, even if it sounds weird.Bad News: we cannot go overdrive in the other direction. That's why I say that our government, despite my hatred for tusk is doing the right course - SO FAR. No sudden movements, just step by step, accordingly to ukrainian decisions. You can already see that it resulted in positive results - people learned about Wołyń, EU condemned bandera. And its' only a beginning. And despite from what many of the public people say, Poland had a massive role in this war. WE did brought EU into this war. But just like we brought them, we can very well say "enough", and trust me, EU will happily stop supporting Ukraine. As a matter of fact, and this is where it gets difficult - at which point we should stop supporting Ukraine. This is not a question to you, but to our politicians. And it's a very important question, because russia is unfortunately too retarded to understand anything - they will use it as an excuse to bomb balts and test us. Unfortunately, russia is as retarded as ukraine. What will happen? I don't know by now. End of rant.
>>538766399Enjoy it while it lasts. And remember, we just want to grill, have a beer, and enjoy life. We are not interested in modern bullshit. Poland just wants to live for once, instead of shedding blood for others. And you better agree with this statement.
>>538766356>Only the Germans still don't quite understand how Eastern-style corruption worksThat’s why I wrote about those pathologies earlier. They don't even hide the corruption they decided they had too much equipment, so they'd sell it off.This isn't secret information like they sell cars
>>538766546NIGGER. We literally were telling things to anyone who listened. When we said stuff to Roosevelt, his reaction was "so just how many horses do you want to buy". Just cut us some slack. Try to live between Germany and Russia at the height of their testosterone and rapey rapey moments, and tell us how it felt, and then we talk. Poland is not an enemy to anyone. Anyone who wants to be a fren, can be a fren (except niggers). And if someone wants to be an enemy, then he will be taught a lesson of humility. Also fuck off, we're full
>>538752134Correct >>538752263Why did 2-3,000 IDF troops Just die You lost half of what we lost in Iraq in 8 years In only just 2 years of Gaza // Lebanon Guess Israel Cannot win wars without the Weimerimutts XD The Kike Commander of the 52nd Is dead Died with 3 other kikes in his tank, killed by a cheap cost effective drone. LMFAO
>>538766752Poland has indians and niggers Nice try pretending you're a pure nation None of you are pure. Retards. The Jews won WWII. You goyim all lost. Faggots XD
>>538752964Lie. He did like a little hebephilia.
>>538766688I want germans to learn it first hand. It's called "schadenfreude". Also don't listen to people who say that Poland will lose million dollar contracts. Don't worry about that. There are ukrainians who want to make business with Poland without polticis, and they will make it. Also, I'm not hateful towards ukrainians who already live here. They are okay. What is not okay is Panczenko (remember her, she must be removed from Poland), and various ukrainian companies registered in Poland (a legal loophole), who meddle in our affairs. Hopefully, with proper people, these loopholes can be fixed. But it has to be done cold and precise. And if someone gets angry, we mustn't go the usual "pedagogika wstydu", alas I'm not worried about that, just saying
>>538766842>Poland has indians and niggersImported by belarussians and ukrainians. Don't worry about us, we will fix it. You will not even know about it. We keep our affairs between our walls. Worry about yourself. And fuck off
Daily reminder P-o-l-a-n-d Was rampaging across Russia & Ukraine post WWI & demanding everything including the kitchen sink. Kek No one Took Polish Delegates seriously P-o-l-a-n-d was laughed at in Versallies Silly Sub-humans Reminder: Jews are goyim. They are non-white nigger mixed asians. Not God's Chosen. Only Aryans Are God's Chosen. Jews are goyim // golem. XD :Low IQ Rape Baby Faggot Incels
>>538766935NO RETARD THE JEWS S T U P I D DUMB VODKA RAPE BABY FAGGOT INCEL XD YOU CANNOT BREED!!! ;3
>>538766593>EU will happily stop supporting UkraineNot when Ukraine uses the money handed by Brussels to purchase military hardware and other stuff from Germany. We benefit from this as well. According to Orlen, they BUY our fuel. I don't trust the stooges appointed by PO/KO in state owned companies and the recent attack on Obajtek doesn't bode well, but I want to believe this one.
>>538755184Hellenic is a mix of Greek, Anatolian, Caucasian and Arab ancestry. The Ukrainians have these roots, and the Russians have also acquired a significant amount of Hellenic ancestry. South-Eastern Europe differs significantly from what is considered the core of the European gene pool.
>>538751314You Pollacks are worse than the French. You just bend over and spread your cheeks for every dick that comes your way. Pathetic cabbage niggers.
>>538766972If I may suggest - more capslock and schizoposting
Kek >> We'll Fix It ERR WRONG INCORRECT None of you faggot pussies WILL DO ANYTHING. Your society will collapse. & most of you will die. Then & only then will you NPC NORMIE FAGGOTs do something. Incels XD Then It'll be too late There's billions of Sub-humans surrounding you When the global Jewish Empire logistics collapses Billions of Sub-humans Will rush your borders in a mad dash for the lands of milk & honey America, Russia, & Israel are already BLACKED by the BBC and are non-white nations. America is only 50% white, down from 70% in 2010s. KEK
>>538766653I do, but certain jews and their puppets would not agree
>>538767031I would but JANNIES are FAGGOTS who keep BANNING No wonder This website is dead & the traffic has collasped. Your armies in Russia, Germany, France, U.K., Ireland, P-o-l-a-n-d, Svenistan, Weimerica, Canada Are all pussies Your military has been taught for 60 years, 3 generations, that non-whites are their 'brothers'Your armies Will not open fire On the non-whites. You're being DELUSIONAL ;3
>>538766653I JUST WANT TO GOYSLOP I JUST WANT TO CONSOOM No wonder the Jews call you cattle. Holy fucking KEK
Ziggers are better at physical comedy
>>538751314Only niggers and slavs commit massacres among themselves. You will never find other races who just randomly for no reason try to erase each other. Serbs bosnians croatsRussians ukranianspoles ukranians ruanda thingyou see only niggers and slavs
Most of the best white people Died in two consecutive Jewish World Wars Most of you are 90-100 IQ Tops LMFAO
>>538766977Trust me bro (yeah, I said it) don't worry. We were the only reason EU supported them. EU prefers dealing with russia, which is another problem. So far, the only things that happened, are vague promises. As long as Russia is shelling Kijów, nobody will risk anything in Ukraine. Of course, it's not going to last forever. Which means, that it would be nice if we had any plan as to how manage the region when the eventual truce happens. Good news, we have one year, exactly when election happensBad news: there are no 100% good choices, each choice is a matter of the lesser evil, but I guess that this is a norm in western democracies.The leverage is that everytime public opinion is pissed off is when every government has to address it.So the solution is: grass roots, and more giving a fuck from your average citizen, because it's the only thing that works
>>538751314Please stop sounding like a kike with your polish six gorilion
>>538767128perfect10/10would read again
>>538766895>Also don't listen to people who say that Poland will lose million dollar contracts. Don't worry about that> but perhaps that’s a good thing.That’s why I wrote this.I know they’ve got some shady dealings going on here too, but it cracks me up that those HIMARS are probably already sitting somewhere in China, stripped down in parts. But we’re still paying them for Starlink and so on our policy is simply pathetic.
Russia is trying to tie Ukraine to Jews and Israel because they (1) figure Israel isn't very popular right now, and (2) know that there's a shitload of Muslims on the internet nowadays that they don't want to piss off.
>>5387671821.4 Million Russians 5 Billion Goybux Printed 1 Million Russians Fled 5.5 Million died naturally [1.1 Million Vatniks die a year naturally 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026... KEK] Ukraine Just blew up like 70-80 ships I LOVE watching NORMIE FAGGOT INCELS waiting in long lines for gasoline. Soon the WEIMERIMUTTS will have the same thing happen. GOOD All your nations are collapsing for bombing Germany You deserve this enjoy the billions of Niggers flooding into your countries you naive midwits
>>538767158Literally nothing wrong with grillAnd having a brewskiThis is what we fight forUnless you're a communist
>>538767255How the fuck did you get this job?
>>538767224Thank You At Least Someone Is Still A Human & Not a SHITSKIN NON-WHITE RAJEET FLOODING THIS WEBSITE WITH TWITTER THREADS.
>>538751314probably said the H word
>>538751314Yea and poland did this to germans before ww2. Then to germans after ww2. And the Soviets did it to both germans and poles.Maybe it was karma ?
>>538767287WHAT JOB I GREW UP IN LAUREL CANYON. The Jews Should have killed me in 2012-2013 when I graduated highschool Everything went off the rails after that ;D I do this for free I just hate Boomers, Incels, Zionists, Jews, Muslims, Non-Whites, & other Anti-white FAGGOT FREAKS WHO KILL THEMSELVES & OVERDOSE DAILY >>538767264MUH TALMUDIVISION MUH HECKIN HAWTDAWGS
>>538767294HOLY SHIT, HE WILL EXPLODE WITH POOP - RUN
>>538767362K E K E K K Reminder Anons Half of Modern P-o-l-a-n-d Are Germans LARPing as Polish people XD
>>538767015>FrenchiesThe fuck are you blabbering about.We had a functioning underground state during the WWII. The people managed to chimp out several times under communist occupation, starting with a large protest in Poznań in 1956, in the worst time possible. The fucking Solidarity, despite being crippled by communist glowniggers, made Jaruzelski scared of general strikes and losing his power.Poland was as far from bending over as it was possible in the circumstances.
>>538767363muh white peoplemuh people enjoying lifelike in the 50s, before it all went crazywhat's the point of white community, if you can't grill and have fun?
>>538767377Billions Are Coming Billions of non-whites have access to boats, planes, and engine blocks. Billions Must Perish
>>538767232Don't worry, we can always charge with a bill, when the actual Polish people will rule our land. co się odwlecze, to nie uciecze. We already have cards, unlike ukraine
>>538767411The 1950s Was built on the destruction of Germany, Europe, & our racial cousins. C r i n g e >>538767401The Frogs, Germans, & Brits are finished. Look at their nations. They're all overdosing, homeless, and letting the migrants rape their women & bussies. 250,000 Women probably way more Raped & killed in the UK alone It's over anons. Society will collapse. Rome. Summeria. Egypt. The Cycle Continues. History Mathematics Two things sub-humans & Jews really hate.
>>538767480Russia Is Losing To Ukraine America Is Losing To Iran Israel Is Losing To Gaza // Lebanon Cope Seethe Sn33d
>>538767417Never attack a plumber. I have a weaponYou cannot defeat 1000 years of plumbing tradition. We know every trick. And we will make the pipes clean.
>>538767240Can I see a single proof for it, other than schizo posting?Ukrainian oligarchy is kiked. They have Israeli passports, just like ruskies. At least 1/4 of the population of Israel is made in USSR. The theory of great khazaria or whatever is a wild interpretation of the state of things.
>>538767494Germany loves to destroy themselves, you can't stop them from doing it, believe me, I've tried.
The Jewish Empire Is Collapsing Putin & Trump love Jews Trump married his family into them, & Putin has his own head rabbi who also cosplays as a soldier like Putin; Putin also awarded him one of the highest medals in Russia Oy Vey Good news anons Jews are sub-human goyim. They are not God's Chosen. Only Aryans Are. So every 60-70 years society implodes... There isn't a coming collapse, it's already hitting the fan. You're already in the collapse. Kek 70 + 1945 =/= 2015... WELL WELL WELL The Year The Collapse Started.
>>538751314>>538751358And yet today the Poles are the first one to sick the Hohol boot since they're 'fighting' against Russia.You people ought to be the first to tell 'em to fuck off instead of having them join the EU and NATO
Swoją drogą Iron Maiden trochę się zmieniło na przestrzeni lat
>>538767564Modern Germany Not Hitler's Germany >>538767560All Governments Are Kiked You Lost WWII Remember KEK >>538767535You should help the Russians I hear They have a huge issue lacking Plumbing 400 Years Of Vodka
>>538767608You Are Brown & Indian Rajeet Paki Faggot Rape-baby Nice Try LARPing As A Canadian Another note of the day Canada Has the fastest demographic change of any western nation. KEK
>>538767659Hitlers Germany absolutely destroyed itself by being chimpanzee warmongers. Now the most common name is Muhammad and the average supper is Doner. They cucked themselves.
>>538767659No, we must help Poland. Poland is the only country worth helping for. And I love my nation, even if everyone around me hates and has nothing good to say about it. Long live Poland, as long as we are still here, niggers!
>>538767737As a foreigner here, they do have nice things to say (at least to me), but most of them are anti-nationalists who would cum at national-suicide. Despite that, it's still very White. How do you do it?
>>538767702Sadly, you are wrong, I'm French-Canadian, the rare white left in that brown forsaken country.
>>538767870nigger, you entered a thread where people want to punch each other, If I was you, I would leave the thread and just join a discussion about women, or some other bbc shit. This is neither place, nor time for this. I hope you understand. With that said, I'm surprised how comfy this thread is, considering we are talking about brutal torture, mutilation and other nasty things that can happen to people. So I hope you will get the hint, and politely buzz off
>>538767870Gibs are scandalously low and the national health insurance is openly hostile to everybody. Niggers have to work. There are greener pastures than Poland.
>>538768053also, we don't have internet. I am using buckets as a currency. That's how poor we are.
>>538751314>Hohol -- Pshek warDo it! Winner gets access to Black and Baltic sea!
>>538768120The winner takes over Him or Lordi as a vocalist and gets all the pussy in the world
>>538751314Put every banderite in the woodchipper.
A commie turd from PSL says the Ukrainian blunder with "heroes of UPA" was a Zełenski's idea>https://dorzeczy.pl/opinie/913351/przyjechal-z-pusta-teczka-bartoszewski-gorzko-o-szefie-msz-ukrainy.html>Deputy Foreign Minister Władysław Teofil Bartoszewski says that Minister Andriy Sybiha came to Warsaw for talks "with an empty briefcase".>It was a well-thought-out decision, not a mistake. It was undertaken with full awareness of how it will be received in Poland, but also elsewhere, because yesterday's discussion in the European Parliament showed very clearly that the majority of MEPs say that by glorifying this type of behaviour and rejecting European values, you will not enter the Union with it. It was a decision in which foreign policy became a victim of domestic politics.>Recently, the head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine, Andriy Sybiha, came to Polish. Bartoszewski said that the Ukrainian side has not presented any specific proposals. "As Minister Sikorski put it, he came with an empty briefcase. Minister Sybiha, with whom we have very good relations, is not a decision-maker. The office of President Zelensky decides on this matter," he said.>President Zelensky clearly wanted to improve his ratings before the upcoming election campaign in the presidential elections, which we expect.
oh no
>>538768120Make Keeiyooiyv into Kijów and Liyoov into Lwów.
>>538768179>The winner takes over Him or Lordi as a vocalist and gets all the pussy in the worldWinner also gets all Nightwish vocalists as groopies.
>>538768429I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse
>>538767480pierwsze wrażenie robi się tylko raz, należało to wykorzystać kiedy ukraina była słaba teraz ukraina jest słaba ale czuje się silna
>>538768332Remember we can (and should) vote them outNotice that their reactions are the result of us not liking the support for bandera, which means, taht we made a difference. If we don't like something, and we make it loud, suddenly, politicians notice it.
>>538767970I guess that explains it very well
>>538768487Gdybyśmy byli niemcami, tak. Sęk w tym, że nie wymarzesz przeszłości, a co za tym idzie, nie wymażesz faktu, że Polska nie tylko oddała wszystko, łącznie z bronią i humanitarną pomocą. Nie wymażesz artykułów, Ophry Winfrey (bleh), ani faktu, że cały świat był w podziwie w tym, że Polska za darmo pomogła Ukrainie. To już się wydarzyło. I możliwe, że właśnie dlatego świat się zaciekawił tym, że przestaliśmy ich wspierać, bo skoro tyle im daliśmy, co to zepsuło? Każda akcja tworzy. Nie należy płakać nad rozlanym mlekiem, natomiast należy wykorzystywać taką walutę, jaką wytworzyliśmy. Nie ma można było lepiej/gorzej/cwaniej. Jest, mamy takie karty, zróbmy pokera. A jest to możliwe. Uważam, że postąpiliśmy genialnie i mimo błędów, dalej da się to rozegrać, częściowo, już to zrobiliśmy. Naprawdę, nie ma się o co przyczepić do nas. Więcej wiary anonie. Albo szklanka jest do połowy pusta, albo jednak jest do połowy pełna
>>538768579Did your post touch on any important topic aside from the fact that you're still here?
>>538768820he agreed with me, for me, that's enough :^)and my ego
>>538767524Based
>>538768734>ni faktu, że cały świat był w podziwie w tym, że Polska za darmo pomogła Ukrainie. To już się wydarzyło>I możliwe, że właśnie dlatego świat się zaciekawił tym, że przestaliśmy ich wspierać,But we didn't do that after all more missiles for the HIMARS were sent.
>>538768734Besides, even if Ukraine wins this war, it will still lose which is why it’s dragging on for so long.
>>538769056co się odwlecze, nie uciecze. oliwa sprawiedliwa, nie rychliwa. emocje są złym doradcą. spokojnie. niestety, ale nasz naród funkcjonuje na zasadzie mądrości etapu, bo nie mamy długoterminowej strategii. Ale to też nie powód do lamentu, wszystko, powoli, ale budujemy. Po prostu tego nie burzmy. Prezydent wykonał dobrą robotę i stopniowo, reszta partii tfu politycznych będzie naśladował. Ale zamiast podniecać się pis / po / konfederacją - powiedz tak sobie szczerze, czy interesuje cię, co się dzieje u ciebie w gminie / mieście? A wiesz, że masz wpływ na to, co się dzieje wokół ciebie? To wymaga pracy. Ja pracuję tak jako obywatel od 20 lat. Ale to przynosi skutek. Moja gmina (Liszki) ma nadwyżkę budżetową, bo dbamy o nas samych i walczymy o to, aby te pieniądze nie były przepierdalane. Budujemy chodniki, oświetlenie i inne rzeczy. Ale to wymaga interakcji. Nie zrzucaj odpowiedzialności na polityków. To ty musisz się zainteresować swoją dzielną. To się nazywa grass roots. Poczytaj o tym, i wcielaj to, bo tylko to ocali Polskę, nie żadne jowy srowy - zniszczmy apatię
>>538769268mam nadzieję, że SBU mnie nie dojebie i nie wrzucą na listę myrotworec, ale chuj wie, wszystko jest możliwe z tym ich jebanym rządem. w każdym bądź razie, weź to do serca i zacznij być obywatelem, a nie mieszkańcem. Każdy mieszkać może, ale nie każdy może tworzyć państwo.
>>538752451seethe pollack
For those wondering the "pole" sowing discord here is a mali stationed wagnerite, the retard ousted himself some night ago when trying to post hand and timestamp. Yes, monke's FSB have such low opinion of you they think you will fall to this faggot.
>>538752964Lying and Polish that's two strikes Maksy.
>>538769503if you mean XD retard, he doesn't himself, and unlike ukrainians, he is honest about who he is, and how much he hates Poland
>>538769503>any pole who refuses to ignore the Volyn Genocide is a wagern troll Mariverse isn’t the smartest
This is /pol/ so I'll tell what I really thinkStefan Rowecki and Stepan Bandera would be gladly sipping bear in some pub and sharing stories together if they lived up to 1996
>>538769626But they didn’t
>>538753313Poles, Germans in denial. Come home Maksy. You can learn how to make a proper sasuage.
>>538769626Bandera wanted to nuke ukraine if it was about to fall in the hands of moscovites. You know nothing about bandera, but then again, you know nothing about your roots, while at the same time you seethe, when someone points it out
>>538769268znany konceptnie zostaniesz prezydentem państwa, ale możesz zostać burmistrzem miasta, możesz być w zarządzie szkoły, możesz działać na dobro swoje i somsiadów tylko musisz ruszyć dupęa najlepiej znaleźć innych którym zależy (są tacy) i razem działać
>>538769736I know everything about him, we got the archives in Lviv and Kyiv which you don't have>>538769662Life is sadge
>>538769839>which you don't haveso you know that I'm not lying.
>>538762883>Why Polish people can like German neighbors despite the history, but Ukrainians can't?My guess would be, because Germans said sorry but Ukrainians never said sorry
>>538769268>powiedz tak sobie szczerze, czy interesuje cię, co się dzieje u ciebie w gminie / mieście? A wiesz, że masz wpływ na to, co się dzieje wokół ciebie?Ja tam nie wiem czy mam wpływ, za to wiem że lokalny szczebel to przede wszystkim powiązania biznesowe i rodzinne, a nie daj Boże żeby do gry dołączył się jeszcze zagraniczny kapitał. Dość powiedzieć że w miejscu w którym mieszkam działa mafia śmieciowa i wykonawcy budowlani którzy nie potrafią nic zrobić jak trzeba za pierwszym razem. Powody dla których wygrywają przetargi są niemożliwe do racjonalnego wyjaśnienia dopóki człowiek nie przyjrzy się nazwiskom w paru miejscach.Przepchnięcie wymiany paru ławek i latarni w parczku to nie jest prawdziwy wpływ.
>>538770031NO WAY. NO, MY MIND WAS BLOWN. HOW CAN IT BE?
>>538752134Based pole. I know it hurts, but actual, and real danger now (and always) is russia. And, if you will, ukrainians are paying with their blood for their past transgressions to defend me and you and all of us. Said that, I wish for the ukrainians victory, and utmost and speedy rejoining to European family of nations.
>>538751314>often in churches during Mass and religious servicesbased
>>538769311ja akurat czuje się Polakiem w rezerwie jestem dobrowolnie gdy wzywają na ćwiczenia to jadę. Dokładnie to rozumiem miasto mam małe ale weź taką Warszawę jaka to może być wspólnota
>>538770074>Ja tam nie wiem czy mam wpływMasz. A jak nie masz, to się zakłada spółdzielnie, wtedy nie musisz iść na głosowanie jak ci się nie chce, ale się ustala telefonicznie linię obrony. To nie jest nic nowego. Dużo jednak zależy od tego, jak blisko jesteś z innymi interesami. Faktem jest, że jak żyjesz poza miastem, to każdy zna każdego i nie jest już tak łatwo założyć mafię śmieciową, bo to od razu wychodzi. Żyłem w krakowie i miałem dość mafii krakowskiej bo też nie dało się nic zrobić, więc może chyba najlepiej wynieść się z miasta, nie wiem. Ale rozumiem frustrację. Ja sam się zastanawiam, czy nie należałoby zrobić jakieś obywatelskiego ruchu (bez skojarzeń) który by działał odnośnie miast ogólnopolsko. To nie jest kwestia kasy, tylko poza apatią, jest to bardzo trudne do ustalenia prawnie. Dlatego też sugeruję zakładanie spółdzielni. Przykładowo mieszkasz na mokotowie - zakładasz z rodzicami i sąsiadami "Mokotów dla Europy" albo inne nośne hasło i wymagacie od radnych wszelkich ustaleń, pomysłów, transkrypcji posiedzeń. A jak się jeszcze zatrudni prawnika, on to zrobi dla was i będzie na was pracował. To oczywiście kosztuje, dlatego też im więcej ludzi zrzeszonych, tym taniej. Ja to tak opowiadam właśnie po to, aby powiedzieć, że tylko my sami siebie uratujemy. Ale nie jest źle, 30 lat temu była masakra. Teraz jest ciężko, ale ludzie są zainteresowani. To jest kwestia czasu i nadzorowanie polityków stanie się trendem. Ale chcę anonie, abyś się zainteresował konceptem grass roots i promował to dalej. Jesteśmy zajebiści jeśli chodzi o solidarność - a co jeśli przenieść to na poziom polityczny?
>>538770352Stop drinking fuel, and for once try to see the flag
>>538770394dzięki Radek Pogoda
>>538770377Kurwa, ja nie chcę siać tutaj propagandy, ale to nie jest tak że będziesz rzucony na mięsny szturm. Nasza armia ma problem z zagospodorwaniem chętnych, a co dopiero niechętnych. Posłuchaj mnie anonie, zrób sobie specjalizację, najlepiej w kwestiach logistycznych i będzie dobrze. Tak naprawdę, nie wiadomo jak będzie wyglądać następna wojna, ukraina-rosja nie jest odzwierciedleniem, bo to dwa prymitywne narody, może się okazać inaczej. Przede wszystkim kształć się w IT i zdobywaj papiery, póki pokój. Ja pójdę na front i pewnie zostanę rozjebany, ale to już mój problem anonie
>>538770538ja mam specjalizacje arty chciałem zmienić na drony ale to jest bardziej pedalskie i moim zdaniem namawianie na logistykę to defetyzm
>>538770734drony to jest dobry pomysł, zwłaszcza że jest duże pole do innowacji. jeśli ukry to wymyśliły, to Polak też to wymyśli. Rzuciłem tylko hasło. anonie, my nie mamy umierać na wojnie, my mamy to przetrwać całe to kurestwo
>>538769503Have a new one, faggot
