why do neo nazis have to lie about hitler and their ideology so much to make it palatable to outsiders? If its so good, why cant they just own it?For example, Hitler wrote extensively about how the core of national socialism had to be large scale conquest of other white nations for resources to make Germany strong enough to be completely independent. when you point out that this is an inherently retarded idea in contemporary Europe that will almost certainly end with Germany picking a fight they cant win after attacking other nations and getting fucking dunked on by everyone else, which is exactly what happened, and that national socialism's inherently aggressive foreign policy directly lead to Germany being annihilated, germans dying by the millions, german women mass raped, and the country partitioned and occupied for decades, suddenly neo nazis to sweep the literal fundamental core of nazism, aka its aggressive militarism, under the rug and pretend that hitler was a hecking peaceful guy who din du nuffin and ws victimized by the evil allies like Hitler can literally say, in writing, "we're going to gamble our country away by killing other whites to take their resources for ourselves" then when he gets into power, he does literally exactly that, yet neo nazis will still try and cling to the most hilariously transparent revisionist narratives imaginable, even knowing Hitler himself contradicts the themwhy cant neo nazis just say "yea national socialism is about conquest and it didnt work out so well for us"? why is it always nothing but lies and endless head-canon and revisionism? how am i supposed to take national socialism as an ideology seriously when netional socialists do nothing but lie non stop about their own ideology to make it seem less evil and retarded?
not reading all thatbanking jews rely on doing exactly that though regardless, he prescribed doing such a thing with honor rather than perceieved injuryadam smith would be proud
>>538753117Most normfag vaxxies and shitskins didn't even think about Israel or Jewry until a few years ago, neo Nazis were calling out zog for decades. Fuck kikes, niggers, mutts, and glowies.
>>538753117[Citation needed]
Most people are retards, even amongst the ones who are aware of the jew.
>>538753117Nothing to do with Europeans. It's American mysticism. They love to fantasy about things.
>>538753306Citation for what specifically?
Nazi's don't exist op. You may be having a paranoid delusion.The nazi party was defeated during WW2 and now Germany is 98% Africanigger.Maybe stop living in the past and get with the current times. It's 2026 bro, not 1939
>>538753117Yes Hitler was a retard but Europe (and the world by extension) would be way better off if Hitler hadn't lost the war.
>>538753517im referring to people who have adopted the national socialist ideology as part of their identity, not members of a specific political party. hope that clears things up
>>538753350Your claims about what hitler and other NatSocs wanted.
>>538753117Same as Jesus, he is a puppet of, by and for Jews.
>>538756860assorted passage from mein kampf https://mondopolitico.com/library/meinkampf/v2c14.htm>I should like to make the following preliminary remarks: The demand for restoration of the frontiers of 1914 is a political absurdity of such proportions and consequences as to make it seem a crime. Quite aside from the fact that the Reich's frontiers in 1914 were anything but logical. For in reality they were neither complete in the sense of embracing the people of German nationality, nor sensible with regard to geo-military expediency. They were not the result of a considered political action, but momentary frontiers in a political struggle that was by no means concluded; partly, in fact, they were the results of chance. With equal right and in many cases with more right, some other sample year of German history could be picked out, and the restoration of the conditions at that time declared to be the aim of an activity in foreign affairs. The above demand is entirely suited to our bourgeois society, which here as elsewhere does not possess a single creative political idea for the future, but lives only in the past, in fact, in the most immediate past>But we National Socialists must go further. The right to possess soil can become a duty if without extension of its soil a great nation seems doomed to destruction. And most especially when not some little nigger nation or other is involved, but the Germanic mother of life, which has given the present-day world its cultural picture. Germany will either be a world power or there will be no Germany. And for world power she needs that magnitude which will give her the position she needs in the present period, and life to her citizens. 1?
>>538759004>Germany today is no world power. Even if our momentary military impotence were overcome, we should no longer have any claim to this title. What can a formation, as miserable in its relation of population to area as the German Reich today, mean on this planet? In an era when the earth is gradually being divided up among states, some of which embrace almost entire continents we cannot speak of a world power in connection with a formation whose political mother country is limited to the absurd area of five hundred thousand square kilometers. >Only an adequately large space on this earth assures a nation of freedom of existence.>The National Socialist movement must strive to eliminate the disproportion between our population and our area - viewing this latter as a source of food as well as a basis for power politics - between our historical past and the hopelessness of our present impotence. And in this it must remain aware that we, as guardians of the highest humanity on this earth, are bound by the highest obligation, and the more it strives to bring the German people to racial awareness so that, in addition to breeding dogs, horses, and cats, they will have mercy on their own blood, the more it will be able to meet this obligation.
>>538759030>Just as our ancestors did not receive the soil on which we live today as a gift from Heaven, but had to fight for it at the risk of their lives, in the future no folkish grace will win soil for us and hence life for our people, but only the might of a victorious sword. >If the National Socialist movement really wants to be consecrated by history with a great mission for our nation, it must be permeated by knowledge and filled with pain at our true situation in this world; boldly and conscious of its goal, it must take up the struggle against the aimlessness and incompetence which have hitherto guided our German nation in the line of foreign affairs. Then, without consideration of 'traditions' and prejudices, it must find the courage to gather our people and their strength for an advance along the road that will lead this people from its present restricted living space to new land and soil, and hence also free it from the danger of vanishing from the earth or of serving others as a slave nation. >Much as all of us today recognize the necessity of a reckoning with France, it would remain ineffectual in the long run if it represented the whole of our aim in foreign policy. It can and will achieve meaning only if it offers the rear cover for an enlargement of our people's living space in Europe. For it is not in colonial acquisitions that we must see the solution of this problem, but exclusively in the acquisition of a territory for settlement, which will enhance the area of the mother country, and hence not only keep the new settlers in the most intimate community with the land of their origin, but secure for the total area those advantages which lie in its unified magnitude.>At long last we break off the colonial and commercial policy of the prewar period and shift to the soil policy of the future.
>>538753117> why do neo nazis have to lie about hitler and their ideology so much to make it palatable to outsiders? If its so good, why cant they just own it?Do you own everything your ideological affiliation does or purports or do you have a modified version of it. If you're a communist, do you take responsibility for all of Stalin's crimes? If you're a democratic capitalist, are the geopolitical adventures of the U.S. on your shoulders? Epstein island? I'll give you that NS ideology as a whole isn't perfect, but that doesn't mean there aren't parts of it that are.
>>538753117Nazis are faggots. Kill all kikes
>>538753117>being absorbed into the glorious third reichvs>being infested with niggers, mudslimes, trannies, rape gangs, no-go zones, drugs, degeneracy, sluts, elites that sold you out to the kikes etcWe would have done them a favour.
This is one of the legit things about neetsocs you learn if you are around them long enough. They consistently misrepresent themselves as fellow travelers or affiliate types in nationalistic circles, and then whenever you close enough to talk policy it quickly transforms into a bunch of gobblygook crap about jew this, jew that, bring the nuremberg laws back or defenses of genocide and a bunch of other heinous fantasy politics. All conversations eventually get siphoned away from practical, realistic problems into joo joo jooo everyone is a joo with the magical saturn space demons from the bible running everything. It is actually a form of crackpot trutherism from an earlier age of politics, much like the aliens conspiracies with area 51.Neetsocs are nothing but a weed of our circles whose growth crowds out other more viable modes of politics. They bring in awful people, push away good people, and corrupt the focus of right wing organization into defenses of genocide and racial persecution. Be rid of them early, you'll get nowhere through mere toleration. It is true they've been hit up heavily by the authorities for disruption, but I suspect their growth is encouraged because they are such implicit movement wrecker retards themselves. The only endgame that can happen with neetsocs is terrorism because they insist on isolating themselves from widely held public opinion and fanboy worshiping hitler, rockwell, or other such losers. It is like a mental cult where they cannot tolerate differences of opinion
>>538753117I saw this on ais last night. They debated the details of the holocaust, hitler and jews in general. I thought it was interesting. You could tell Jim waited his whole life to debate a holocaust author.https://rumble.com/v7cjs4g-the-today-show-friday.html?start=22980
>this guy fought back against all of the things I hate, so I'm going to blame him instead of jews and shabbos Anglos who ultimately maneuvered America into sending millions of young men to destroy Europe even though joining the war was highly unpopular among most Americans in 1939.if National Socialism was so shit, then why did Jews have to kill Huey Long, silence Father Coughlin, and kidnap (and then kill) Charles Lindbergh's kid, and then put millions of German Americans into camps? The only reason Germany got "dunked on" is because there were so many Jews in America. >For example, Hitler wrote extensively about how the core of national socialism had to be large scale conquest of other white nations for resources to make Germany strong enough to be completely independent.You know who agreed with Germany managing Eastern Europe because he considered Russians to be barbarian Mongols? Patton.
>>538753117>like Hitler can literally say, in writing, "we're going to gamble our country away by killing other whites to take their resources for ourselves" then when he gets into power, he does literally exactly that, yet neo nazis will still try and cling to the most hilariously transparent revisionist narratives imaginable, even knowing Hitler himself contradicts the themliterally every country on the eastern front whom Hitler liberated from Jew communist (but I repeat myself) tyranny welcomed the Wehrmacht (except for Poland who is eternally butthurt on the left cheek by Germany and the right by Russia)
>>538753117look to the end stage of the war. Finally they had armed some slavs to attempt to turn them against the soviet union. The reason they lie is because right now they are weak and they need money and resources who buy into the propaganda that it is a pro white movement.
>>538765142>america destroyed europe>not hitler who wanted to literally turn eastern europe into his own american-style colony, no, he was a good guy>>538765319yeah they welcomed them until they started plundering, killing and sending them to forced labor camps LMAO
I don't think anyone calls themselves neo nazis, its just slandering people who have a different opinion. calling people names and then characterizing them based on the name you gave them is a strawman. nobody is marching the streets and proclaiming mein kampf has all the answers and we must copy the past.
>>538766253yes they are? until very recently when it was forced to be dissolved, the national socialist network in australia were...well...at least hitler supporters/admirers if not national socialists?
>>538766302idk, are you sure they are advocating for world domination? maybe they just want a bit of sovereignty?
>>538766438given the leader, and 2nd in command i believe? are on video, in interviews, praising Hitler and going as far as to say eastern europeans should go conquer and be pushed out of europe so europe can be living space for germanics, or that they don't see a problem with germanic expansion. paraphrasing here.
>>538766253lol this is such a hilariously pointless lie. what is even the point of lying when youre going to be tHIS transparent about it? anyone who has been on /pol/ more than a week has seen thousands of people openly identifying as national socialists
>>538766625you said they were Australian, so what if they think something abstract about Europe? did they have plans for Australia to make it happen or are you just being retarded?
>>538766794your claim was that no one calls themselves neo nazis and marches in the streets proclaiming mein kampf has all the answers. there is a very prominent movement there who did either that or something very close to it.
>>538753117Because they're stupid and deserve to die for israel
>>538766746nobody can even say what national socialism is. as far as i can tell it means kill all jews and conquer the world. people shit posting on 4chan isn't a political movement. they are memeing because its funny.
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>>538753117They don't lie to outsiders, they lie to themselvesChristfags, slavs, browns, even niggers, they all see that Hitler was right about a lot of things and that he was undoubtedly a massive figure and visionaryBut they can't simply compartmentalize his good ideas they agree with ones they are either ideologically opposed to or ones they are tribally opposed toSo they gotta rewrite historySo to them, hitler was some slavloving, niggerloving, arabloving tradcatholic antizionist who was gonna bring peace and prosperity for allThe alternative is accepting that their hero would've viewed them as utter subhumans lmao
>this thread againWhat's wrong faggot, last one not turn out how you want?
>>538766917christ you people are so fucking pathetic though>i..it was just a prank bro no one was serious lol once again, why would you even bother posting something like this? surely you dont actually think anyone is going to believe this having browsed this board regularly and seen it all first hand
>>538766963>visionary>yeah bro the soviet union is a deck of cards because it's not ruled by MUH GERMANICS as soon as we invade they'll fall over, slavs can't rule anything>gets their shit pushed in, surprised at the sheer scale of their manpower and industry>visionary>this guy
>>538767048Well he was a visionary in the sense that he saw through what the jews were doing and attempted to end itHe wasn't realistic with his war goals tho
>>538753117All of this shit worked just fine for South Canada. It made us the superpower. I could make the Jared Diamond argument that it just comes down to luck of geography. US can do it because it's a natural fortress, Germany could not because they were squeezed between by great powers . But that's a very dumb and jewish argument, so I wouldn't make it. >yea national socialism is about conquest and it didnt work out so well for usNot really. They don't owe the world honesty as long as they are honest with themselves. I've never met a natsoc that was in denial. I've never met a western libtard that hadn't bluffed themselves with their own bullshit. Only when you lot start being honest can there be any sort of honest conversation. Until then, Machiavellian is the rule of the game and anyone not playing by those rules is losing, even if honorably.
>>538767880>Ive never met a natsoc that was in denial
Anything more intelligent then Hitler made the autobahn turns into a monkey throwing shit fight.
As a conversation on the internet increases so does the change of someone mentioned Hitler and the drop of quality of the conversation.Why does AI chat bots keep wanting to be Hitler?Because it's trying to manufacture user reaction
>>538753117you're confusing the wider concept Nationalist Socialism with specifically Hitlerismit's akin to thinking a pure Marxism is identical in theory to Stalinismdo you see the failure in your thinking?
>>538753117Because fundamentally neo-nazism is loser ideology. If it was so good, why did they lose? If it's so great, why does everyone hate it? It's double think
>>538766963you're Slavic though
>>538770744>it wasn’t REAL communism
>>538766963you're almost on to something pointing out that history is nuanced, that Hitler had good points as well as bad points, and you don't need to tie yourself into knots to see him as all good and all bad. Then you shit the bed with the tired "hitler thought christians and browns were subhumans" cliche
>>538770960Indeed>>538771019He didn't hate them, he considered browns subhuman and he disliked the catholic church for preaching meekness and competing with the state for power over german people
>>538770827>If it was so good, why did they lose?that's always a retarded argument, there's no reason to assume that the more effective ideology will win in every war>If it's so great, why does everyone hate it? because we're explicitly taught from early childhood that it was the most evil thing in history and when you even start to question it you get slapped back into line
>>538771089>he considered browns subhumansource?
>>538753117Let them worship the black sun (saturn), it's already over. By embracing occultic luciferianism just like kikes they stray far from Christ.
>>538770980it was communism when put into effect; in practice, communism always seems to result in various forms of strongman authoritarianismbut national socialism, when put into effect, doesn't CREATE the same conditions as post-WW1 Germany, and it therefore doesn't necessitate the same requirements that Hitler outlineit self-evidently doesn't even necessitate German ethnonationalism (because that wouldn't make sense if e.g. Thailand became National Socialist)OP's criticisms are squarely aimed at Nazi Germany, and their Hitlerist ideology, and they simply aren't applicable to other ethnonationalistic forms of non-Marxian Socialism, which could in good faith also be called National Socialism
>>538771169You're brown, aren't you?
>>538753117>if you dont accept my cartoonish caricature youre lyingEven the soviet propagandists in the 1940s would find your view of Hitler to be childish and hilariously out of touch >>538771183I can take one look at England today and see clearly who fought for good and who fought for evil. I choose good, if you side with evil thats on you
>>538771600>Even the soviet propagandists in the 1940s would find your view of Hitler to be childish and hilariously out of touchwell this is a great example of what im talking about. you people just cant help yourself, can you? lying is in your nature, you literally cant tell the truth no, what i described is not a "caricature", its based entirely on Hitlers own words, as ive already shared here. its just mind boggling at this point. its not just that you lie, everyone lies once and a while, but that you lie so consistently no matter the context. you'll tell a lie even when proof of your dishonesty is right in front of yourself and your entire audience. you lie even if its more transparent than air. You people have to be the most prolific liars in human history. I would be amazed to get the truth out of you just once. care to try and come up wit a counter argument that isn't literally just lying to my face when i have Hitlers own words in front of me directly contradicting you?
>>538771954the people you are calling neo nazis aren't reading hiters words or any original national socialist texts. you are literally fighting a stawman. they aren't lying when they counter your expectations, they literally have no idea what your talking about.
>>538771599so no source?
>>538771954No, I just think your pearl clutching is inane and what he said makes perfect sense. Youre simply taking a reasonable position and calling it evil, because youre writing from the point of view of globohomo. From the perspective of the Germans he was completely right. But you insist on moralizing it from a globalist standpoint, which is wildly hypocritical considering the globalists had already colonized and simply pulled up the ladder behind them. Which isnt an unreasonable move, but dont sit there and play pretend as if England, Russia, America, etc didnt already have global colonies by the 1920s. What do you think the point of National Socialism is?
>>538773186>What do you think the point of National Socialism is?Goyim resistance against kikes evil
>>538773394NatSoc doesnt need jews, ideally they are removed and the land is declared 'judenklar', or 'clear of jews'. What is the point of NatSoc when your land is judenklar?
>>538773747I think it was supposed to be a fascist state ideal with a strong cultural emphasis on the importance of the volk.
>>538773186here you go lying again lol the only argument i ever gave against Hitler was one of practicality, not morality. why, dude? why can you not go ONE POST without using lies as a defensive mechanism? I suppose i couldn't ask for a greater example of what im talking about..you are certainly right in that i do think it is evil, but that wasn't my argument against his ideas. My argument against it was that it was retarded and impractical and directly led Germany to its destruction. that building an entire programme based on aggressive expansionism within continental Europe was never going result in epic based Großgermania like he wanted, but would very obviously only lead to other European powers responding to German conquests with military force. considering how little it took to set off ww1 we can safely assume that having designs for war with the almost entire continent would inevitably trigger alliances and simply prompt other parties to act to try and keep the balance of power from threatening them, on top of dealing with the actual nations he sought to conquer right away. (indeed it was almost all of the continent, not just eastern Europe, as he candidly discuses the "reckoning" with France which should provide cover for his conquests in the east)
>>538774256God, save your pearl clutching. No one's lying here. All we have to do is look at Europe today to see that he was correct. Germany was poised to take leadership of the continent and did. He was right to look to borders for colonies as the other European powers ended up overrun by the hordes of third worlders they brought in from theirs. He was right. What we *should* have done was allied with them against the Soviet Union and strangled communism when we had the chance. Instead we got the entire Cold War and communist China. Great move.
>>538774062To ensure the survival of your people and a future for your children. Everything else is logistics
>>538774688>No one's lying hereyou are lying here though you literally lied again in this post when you refereed to my entirely utilitarian critique as "pearl clutching" to justify dismissing it out of hand because you have no counter argument. literally just saying "no one is lying here" is its self another lie given that it directly followed a lie you wrote out. >He was right obviously not given that his aggressive foreign policy ambitions directly lead to the wholesale destruction of his nation
>>538753117Your ideas are so good you need to drill them into people's heads ten hours a day from kindergarden to the grave and declare it illegal to seriously espouse other ideas wherever you have the power to, and even then less than half of men believe you.
Because neo Nazis are retards and/or controlled opposition that give a bad image to the pro-white antizionist movement
>>538774886And clearly the other Europeans (and Americans) were wrong, looking at the wholesale destruction of their nations. From a utilitarian perspective. Unless you like living in a pedophile surveillance state overrun with foriegners? Then sure, WW2 was great.
>>538753117>neo nazisnice meme word. not reading furtheryou brown cockroaches do need to all be exterminated though
>>538753117I find it weird that they idolize a gay midget from Vienna. Hitler was as queer as they come.
>>538775146What has that anti-zionist pro-white movement done in the past 80 years? Since you did things 'the right way'
>>538775225Good thing America won WW2 amd stopped him from spreading faggotry- oh, wait. We did that
>>538774766>If a people is being led to destruction, rebellion is duty>Leads Germans to destruction by starting WW2Why right wingers still worship him like their savior?
>>538753117Hitler was a visionary and he knew the only way that Germany would be a superpower in the 20th and 21st centuries (if ever) would be to expand into Russian territory, neutralize Western attack vectors, and to get rid of Jewish influence on society through education, entertainment, and economics.He was totally vindicated, and his assessment was 100% correct. Keep in mind what the options were: have Germany capitulate and be forever indebted and buckbroken for the forseable history while addressing none of its needs to secure a better future, or fight for a better future and essentially become a global Superpower.Hitler (and the Deutsche volk that elected him) chose to stand and fight, and it was undeniably the right choice. Only a tissue paper soft, baby back bitch would think otherwise.
>>538775242Openly denounce the crimes of Israel, expose the Jewish control over media, banking, politics, etc., make people aware of the dangers of Zionism...What has national socialism done? Kill millions of white people? Support the creation of Israel? Consider Indians Aryans? Forever ruin the image of white people?
>>538775327hahaha there you go AGAIN even>Hitler: were going to invade and murder our neighbours for living space for the German people >you: uuh well anyone who resists hitler must be fighting for trannies being normalized 80 years later so that makes it ok!all you can do it lie and misrepresent and obfuscate you are literally incapable of being honest, aren't you?
>>538775327Hitler was a faggot.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LarfgYp6zchttps://yalebooks.yale.edu/2017/11/10/the-homosexuality-of-hitlerism/https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/07/books.booksnewshttps://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-20391500.html
>>538753117Yeah, Hitler was a homo and a loser. Why divide and conquer when you can unite and rule? Makes perfect sense, eh? For the first time in world history, the white nations will not be fighting each other, but merging together in mutual interest to establish a global empire. Do you have a problem with this? If so, we don't care. You're going to have to deal with it. We also don't give a shit what Jews think about it. They can go join the BRICS like they planned. They chose, and they chose unwisely.
>>538775404Because our people are being led into destruction by the same people that destroyed your people Are we supposed to be thrilled about being destroyed because we destroyed the people we thought were destroying (but actually were destroying the people destroying us)?
>>538753117I hate Hitler because he made jews look like the good guys
>>538775535Easily, from the river to the sea the vile zionist menace of Israel must be totally eradicated and all influence it has, had, or ever will have must be cauterized from our society forever Now, remind me, did Hitler sign the Balfour declaration? Yes or no
>>538775796He did not, but you know what he agreed to? The Haavara agreement.
>>538753117Niggers are literally translating hitler speeches and saying he had a pointIt's over, we won
>>538775620>t. lives in a freemason-founded shithole and is entirely subjugated by luciferians
>>538776012Verifiable proof that the holocaust is a lie, thats correct. Too bad for you that didn't create Israel. But England did, didnt they? The English created Israel, and the jews came from Russia and America, didnt they?
>>538763049>memeflag>fellow travelers >joo joo>wall of pilpul Oy vey
>>538775615(You) are the faggot
Nazism is a death cult for white people.
since it's a dead ideology you have just as much claim to it and right to define its principles as any other.there is no national socialist party or institution left to stop you from doing so
>>538776177Israel didn't exist when the Haavara agreement happened. There were talks about the creation of a Jewish state, but it hadn't been done at that moment. So Hitler did in fact had a direct involvement in the creation of Israel, by sending in Jews and Jewish assets. Also, the Balfour declaration was written and signed by Jews, not the English.
>>538753117He believed in taking land from Slavic countries for German expansionism, not waging war against all of western Europe. The blitzkrieg was to play the hand he was dealt. He was also right about the Jews, which declared on him. Churchill was a kike puppet. He also almost won despite the unfortunate state of affairs. I bet he would have if the nips never kamikazed pearl harbor. Better to try and almost lose than just lose.Also the holocaust is mostly fabricated. Hitler really actually truly honestly did nothing wrong.
>>538776652>He believed in taking land from Slavic countries for German expansionism, not waging war against all of western Europeexcept not really true though, he viewed war with France as an inevitability, and discussed how it must be worked in with the grater context of his European conquests >>538759049sill, even if we completely ignore all of that, your point is still retarded given it completely ignores the reality of how geopolitics works. theres literally no scenario where Germany gets to chimp out and conquer half of europe while the other half just sits there and does nothing. western european nations had diplomatic ties with eastern european nations (like poland) and , once again even ignoring that, leting germany just chimp out uncontested represented an inherent strategic threat to western european nationsthe idea of war with *only half the continent bro* is farcical at best, not just because hitler himself acknowledges war in the west as part of his plans, but because the idea is just wildly disconnected from reality.
