The war on empathy has begun.>If an undergraduate program's graduates don't earn more than workers who never went to college, that program could be cut off from federal student loans. The same goes for any graduate program whose graduates earn less than someone with only a bachelor's degree.Studies show that people who study the humanities are those who have empathy for others and go into career fields that do a great deal of much needed humanitarian work.Most of those jobs don't pay as much as trades so students who want to study them in college won't receive financial aide to for those majors.As a result, there will be a shortage of people to take on humanitarian work.
>>538763097Wow, I like the idea, but how the hell is that going to work? I'll temper my expectations. The thought is in the right place, though.
>>538763097More likely it'll just transition to a major that only trust fund kids take on (mostly as a status symbol to show the rest of the world they'll never have to actually work)
I agree with this it will stop useless faggot degrees fron existing and people who take on debt to get a real degree will stand a good shot of improving their earning power.
>>538763203It'd be easy enough for them to pull reported income and college status by SSN. Doubt it will happen, though
>>538763097>much needed humanitarian work.Not if the demand for said skills is so low manifesting itself in low wages? >As a result, there will be a shortage of people to take on humanitarian work.Not according to this.
>>538763097That means less people to advocate fo' mo' money fo' dem programz
this can be seen as good. Colleges become for-profit more than ever, allowing different educational institutions to emerge.
>student loansthese should not exist at all
>>538763097This is fucking ingenious. I've wanted them to do something like this for years now.Much as I dislike Trump, well done. The only thing I'd improve is letting students from these programs declare bankruptcy in their loans. Imagine how hard that would fuck these useless colleges.
>>538766388Hard disagree. Big loan, something like €50.000, repayments deductible from income taxes. But, as long as you're not up on your payments, you get nothing from the government.
>>538763097Empathy is only good in small, closed, homegenous socites.It's a detriment in any other instance.Cope with this.
>>538766705No, student loans shouldn't exist. Most university courses shouldn't exist either. The average person is fucking dumb and shouldn't go to college.
>>538766771Yeah, but my proposed system has an added benefit; you get all the shitlibs who think they need to go to college right off the balance sheet. Let's be real, someone who cannot bring in €50.000 in income taxes over, say, 20 years is someone who still costs the government money to keep alive.
>>538763097If that is true the immediate effects is that Universities will be more restrictive and less likely to take risks on certain students. The only people getting into universities will be the souless robot hyper autistic types that have had a 4.0 since kindergarten. This is a step in the wrong direction away from a more equitable world.It also arbitrarily nukes the idea of education for educations sake which is more what the humanities/arts are about. Interested in philosophy and want a rigorous course on it? Too bad philosophy doesn't help maximize shareholder profit.
>>538763097Empathy is a double-edged sword. A dark empath is worse than a narcissist and a sovereign emapth is a narcissists biggest fear. The vast majority of empaths go to the dark side. Very few actually do the work necessary to ascend.
>>538766586I don't understand why nobody suggests cancelling the accruing interest on student loans.I mean, I do understand; because most people can't even think, and the rest are evil.But like, the conversation around student loans is so stupid and also stagnant. Some people want them totally forgiven, which makes little economic sense. Others don't want them forgiven, because it benefits retards and punishes the dutiful.But the fact is, the interest rates and accruing interest is diabolical. So many people realize this too late; realize that they've been paying hundreds of dollars a month towards a loan amount that isn't going down, but constantly growing bigger. It's evil and sick. A compromise between the two positions and a necessary move to prevent total social and economic death would be to put an immediate halt to the growing interest amounts on everyone's loans, and just allow them to pay the loan back slowly and normally. It's not like most people think that their higher education should be free; most people (for better or worse) are totally happy with repaying such a stupid-huge lump of cash for decades. They just need to believe it's actually achievable, and not a hellish treadmill of slavery.But demons run this world so what can you expect.
>>538763097>>538763203I don't like this idea. Stupid people deserve to be punished.
>>538767014>"The only people getting into universities will be the souless robot hyper autistic types that have had a 4.0 since kindergarten."That's good, that's how it should be. Universal higher education doesn't benefit the individual nor the society.>"This is a step in the wrong direction away from a more equitable world."Huh? Are you retarded?
>>538767077I like this program.If you go to college without looking at employment rates for that field and income in that industry. You're stupid regardless of the degree.-Trade school industrial drafter.
>>538767136>That's good, that's how it should be.No because I don't think I could have gotten into university on this system. I had an abysmal 2.9 gpa in highschool and only thought to turn it around about halfway through an associates degree in a community college now I'm doing fine with a 3.7 studying mechanical engineering. I could not have gotten the opportunity to prove myself if we had a system that simply stomps on people like what is being proposed. Fuck, you people are maliciously stupid.>Universal higher education doesn't benefit the individual nor the society.Of course it does???? Especially in a democracy that relies on people making somewhat informed voting decisions.
>>538763097everyone getting degrees makes degrees worthless. the High School degree was at one point also lauded upon, but now is a joke. not everyone should be allowed to get into higher education.
>>538767393You don't sound like someone who I'd benefit from listening to, so I'm not reading all that, but I will say that equity and democracy are demonic ideas from Satan, and anyone who champions them is an enemy of God who should and will be killed.
>>538767052I'm telling you, most college courses should not exist.Outside of medicine, science and law, nobody needs to be in college. Everything else could be done in apprenticeship schemes, learning on the job.The right approach is just to let students discharge loans through bankruptcy. If you can't pay it off in seven years or so, the loan's written off. Obviously the effect of this would be for all colleges to go bust. Well, fucking good riddance.
>>538763097>humanitarian workYou mean bullshit jobs.
>>538767052>the interest rates and accruing interest is diabolicalexcessive interest rates, called "usury", used to be illegal in most nations, because >most people can't even think, and the rest are evilusury is considered a major sin in most religions, except Judaism where it's literally encouraged
>>538767393>I had an abysmal 2.9 gpa in highschoolYou're fucking dumb and you should not be an engineer. Really as simple as that.Even engineers don't need to be in college either. They can learn that shit on the job.
>>538767528Mental illness.
>>538767052If you aren’t smart enough to figure out how interest works, you aren’t smart enough to go to college. How about that?
>>538763097>you only have empathy if the government gives you stuff
>>538767331I agree. You would be an idiot to chose a shit career field. Which is why this program is stupid. Stupid people deserve punishment for being stupid.
>>538767585True, I know that. I think I've noticed that the word "usury" is going around more these days, which would be nice, since more people could finally learn what it means.>>538767555Yeah, I agree about "most college courses are worthless", you don't have to try to convince me; I'm with you on that.>>538767691Absolutely. That's most people though. Like, we can mock them, but the fact is, when the majority of people cannot figure out how to use a system, even if that system is well-made, it's essentially a bad system. I hope I said that in a way that makes sense.>>538767654Say "Jesus Christ is King", demon. lmao.
>>538763203I went to college for criminal justice. I don't work in the field, work at a job that doesn't require college , but make good money. Should I be refunded?
>>538767691To be fair there is an entire industry built up around maliciously lying to 18 year olds to get them into a lifetime of debt. The financial education young people get is abysmal. The right thing to do would be to simply let student loans be discharged through bankruptcy, sit back, and watch every college go bust from making thousands and thousands of bad loans.
>>538767762Would you say that you're kind of a fringe case, in this matter? Or do most people share your situation?
>>538763097>you have to pay your own way>THIS IS A WAR ON EMPATHY
>Studies show that people who study the humanities are those who have empathy for others and go into career fields that do a great deal of much needed humanitarian work.Really? I found it was mostly manipulative sociopaths in those fields while I was in college.
>>538767834>Really? I found it was mostly manipulative sociopaths in those fields while I was in college.It's mostly women, but I suppose that's what you just said.
>>538767770I agree. However, the reason student loans are no longer discharged by bankruptcy is that too many students were taking advantage of the system and using bankruptcy protection to walk away from their debt. The hole had to be plugged.
>>538767834Most people doing humanitarian work, donate to charity, and do volunteer work are just White Christians. The exact people who "empathetic highly educated humanities degree-having" individuals call stupid bigots. You'll know them by their fruit; nobody does nor should give a crap about the kvetching of such scumbags.
>>538767755>Say "Jesus Christ is King", demon. lmao.The Bible is fiction. I can say Jesus Christ is king because demons aren't real and I'm not one.
>>538763097>career fields that do a great deal of much needed humanitarian work.Humanitarian work is done by volunteers.
>>538767921And yet you didn't say it, you just quoted me.Every day I make sure people on the street are informed that the only ones pushing equality and democracy are verifiably evil. Like yourself. Death awaits you.
>>538767866>However, the reason student loans are no longer discharged by bankruptcy is that too many students were taking advantage of the system and using bankruptcy protection to walk away from their debt. The hole had to be plugged.Why? That was the free market acting as it should. If colleges make bad loans that's a signal their degree courses are fucking worthless. Giving them protection from bankruptcy is essentially a subsidy of worthless education.Every single college would and should go bust because 95% of degree courses are totally worthless.
>>538767976I think he was comparing it to how antisocial individuals will abuse a high-trust system. When there are no consequences for breaking your end of an agreement, you get results like what we see in India, or China.
>>538766333>If you're getting tired of talking to same-shit-spam-agitprop-algo-botsyou don't understand, i'm not locked in here with them...
>>538767866>Hole is plugged for banksGreat solution.
>>538763097You don't have any "empathy" you sick fucking freak.Leftoids haven't been human for decades.
>>538767974>Every day I make sure people on the streetYou are one of those crazy people that stand on the street with "the end is nigh" signs? That makes sense. I love you and hope you overcome your psychosis one day. All mankind are brothers.
>>538768058Which is the bigger abuse: tricking someone into a bad agreement or breaking said agreement?
>>538763097More to the point, you're required to have a Bachelor's degree to get into law school. History is the most common undergraduate degree for law school candidates. It makes you borderline unhirable if you don't go to law school or grad school. Trust me, I'm speaking from experience here.Unless these accountability standards factor income from people who have both the BA and a JD, this bullshit is basically saying that unless you have a rich family or are desperate enough to take on insane amounts of debt, you can't be a lawyer.
>>538768058The consequence for declaring bankruptcy is that your credit rating gets hit. The consequence for making a bad loan is that you lose money and have to make better risk assessments of who you lend money to in future and at what interest rate you lend it to them.The law shields colleges from the consequences of making bad loans. It should stop doing that.For that matter why are colleges even in the student loans business in the first place? Why can't you go to your bank and tell them you want a student loan? If the answer is that no bank would entertain the idea of giving a loan of hundreds of thousands of dollars to an 18 year old, maybe the whole idea of a student loan is incredibly fucking stupid. If you aren't rich or talented you should not be in college.
>>538763097>studies show>more empathyFemale self reporting is always lies and should never be taken seriously in any study by default
>>538768212If you don't love God then you're not actually capable of love, so don't go lying about it. Your fruit is bad and everyone can see it. It's already over for you, demon, and nobody will even miss you.>>538768257Promise-breakers are total trash, but I feel kind of strongly about the subject so that might be coloring my opinion.
>>538767976Exactly, the entire degree means job pipeline has completely collapsed and is a total scam. Intellectual experts are not needed when AI and the internet exist. Everyone has access to free knowledge now which considerably devalues education to begin with
>>538768281Yeah, it's predatory as shit. You don't gotta tell me; I didn't even want to go to college, but my high school still forced me to write a practice entrance essay as a graduation requirement. Disgusting. They LITERALLY did not even let students consider alternative life paths. And to this day, 99% of boomers and gen x are in denial about it.
>>538763097Awesome. Collegelets are subhuman traddies that are only qualified to pull poop out of my asshole
Bullshit degrees are highly profitable for the Institutions & the adminstration selling your a worthless degree. Ironic that despite their 4-year degree the average college communist never developed enough critical thinking skills to see through how his professor spreading commie rhetoric is handsomely paid (maybe even tenured), lives in a very nice house, has grad students grading papers for him oh and also it's NOT his problem that your degree in genderqueer basket weaving constitutes nothing besides a lifelong college loan debt to you, a dumb fukken goy who fell for it.
>>538768280You don't have to do humanities for bachelor. You could do something employable too.
>>538768280>this bullshit is basically saying that unless you have a rich family or are desperate enough to take on insane amounts of debt, you can't be a lawyer.Can't imagine why the party that tells you to go to trade school while their children go to college would do this.
>>538767393I graduated high scool with a 2.2 GPA and I can tell you the obvious solution to this problem is that we get rid of lower education, too, and go back to when colleges had entrance exams> inb4 but my parents never taught me how to read or count :(Too bad.
>>538768396Yeah, but consider the alternative without student loans. The American dream of social mobility collapses as college becomes shut off for everyone but the rich and very talented. The predatory student loan system is what stands between the US and turning into an open Latin American plutocracy. But as it is, college has become about worthless.
>>538767642The romans didn't even have algebra and they built roads and bridges that are still in use today. You need much book smarts to build things.
>>538768703Hmmm... isn't the response to this problem "bring back apprenticeships?" Like the really old-fashioned ones, where your parents would negotiate with working people to take your 13 year old ass under their wing and train you for your future career.I'm strongly anti-college overall. The loans are a secondary concern for me. Young people should NOT be spending the best years of their life sitting at a desk passively absorbing random mostly useless info. Not even for free. And definitely not women.An apprenticeship culture supplanting a college education culture would almost naturally filter out women, lol. Women don't wanna work, they wanna sit all day and scroll their phone.
>>538768682>Get rid of public education>> inb4 but my parents never taught me how to read or count :(You are trolling obviously, but this would be incredibly common and it would instantly dunk the average IQ of the U.S. to like 60-70. Societal collapse event.
>>538767024The public school system, Dewey's brain child, failed completely. There is already a parallel system set up for the elites, which more or less functions and maintains the status quo. Read the Bell Curve if you want to understand the actual givens in the world. The education system makes one fit for slavery, the elite education system makes one worthy of being free. And if you are privileged enough to have an elite education k-12, the only reason you need higher education is if you want to break into the elite. If not, you already have all of tools you need to succeed economically, no matter which degrees the system determines are "economically viable". That shit changes so fast these days that you are just becoming a slave to your degree and your "career" path. That might be gone tomorrow. And then you will be fucked. If you know how to learn, which is the real point of education, imo, you will be able to adapt to anything. Neither the elite (in name only) nor the educated masses can adapt. They can only thrive within their specialized niches.
>>538768867>education raises IQHoly FUCK you are an idiot.
>>538768894?????? What do you think IQ is trying to measure?
>>538768867No, I'm not, and IQ is genetic. Education is a complete waste of society's resources and does nothing except traumatize children and prop up a 5th column of entitled, unionized bureaucrats.> muh jobsThe minority of teachers that don't suck will easily find employment in the private sector
>>538768951Intelligence, not the ability to rattle off trivia like coolumbus 1492IQ =proxy approximation of G, intelligence You cannot raise or lower it all that much by abstaining or engaging in education Drugs and physical damage are a different story
>>538768257It's not that it was necessarily a bad agreement; you could just declare bankruptcy immediately after graduating while having no money and massive debt, and then start earning.
>>538763097The fuck for you need degree to do humanitarian work? Most topics in humanities "studies" are considered regular conversation topics for normal people.
>>538768951>the dumb cunt who advocates so strongly for education is COMPLETELY ignorant and uneducatedWow. Please do a google search on whether IQ can be raised or lowered based on schooling. You should find the answer pretty quickly, and hopefully humble yourself to not yap so much bullshit and look stupid in front of your betters.
>>538769020>IQ is geneticIf you take a lot of IQ tests your score goes up. Someone who can't read or was never taught algebra and geometry isn't going to score the same as someone who has. IQ is not purely genetic infact I'd even say it barely depends on genetics.>Education is a complete waste of society's resources and does nothing except traumatize childrenI think your heart is in the right place but you are throwing the baby out with the bath water. I'd agree with you if you were saying the education system needs reform, like allowing kids to fail classes ect.
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>>538767077What about people who realize their stupid and use that as the context to grow, i.e. people who realize we're all retarded and who want to grow smarter? (spoiler alert: even intelligent high IQ people have to realize they're still collectively retarded to grow. Ego has to diminish enough for one to grow one's intelligence.)Especially when you consider being stupid is punishment enough. Unless of course you're specifically implying that people who are currently stupid or uneducated or ignorant at this specific snapshot freezframe in time should forever remain as such so you have retards to lord over to pump your own ego up on...But you wouldn't do something so retarded, right?
>>538769280Car analogy because im a cunt Not by much. You can clean the gunk out of a civic, pit new tires on it, and a cold air intake, get 10 HP, but that 4cl will never have the horsepower of a v8
>>538769303I know exactly which specific study this AI is referencing, and you should read it.
>>538769112>>538769201>Lifting weights doesn't make you stronger>>538769201>Please do a google search on whether IQ can be raised or lowered based on schoolingGoogle agrees with me.
>>538767136YOU must be if you disregard those with soul who actually have CREATIVE ABSTRACT & or LUCIDIC Spirit/Cognition that reject a fusion of a structure ofcorporate-tier mundane NPC slavemenship TF?
>>538769303> relying on AI+1000 izzat>>538769280The oil pressure sensor in my truck shorts out causing the gauge to report 0 psi even though the engine is running just fine. Does my engine have sufficient oil pressure?>>538769361On the contrary, I hate dealing with low-wits who need constant hand-holding and can't think critically. I avoid them as much as possible.
>>538769504The brain doesnt generate new neurons. See the above car analogy.
>>538763097Hmmmm sounds like a war on Christ to me.
>>538767052Extracting wealth from retards is the most morally correct move for the future of humanity
Or the bureaucracy known as HR will no longer require a degree to tell people aww don't feel bad our organization got a massive grant and we bought three politicians, next year maybe we will get four.
>>538768280Just do Law bachelors they'll require it anyway. Or Drama, it could possibly be argued it makes a lot of money and the techniques learned work great on juries!
>>538769434Exactly but you can really fuck up an engine. And environmental stress, nutrition, sleep, ect. Are waaaayyyy more important to IQ than genetics. Genetically the difference probably isn't significant based on the fact that humans with the more important things taken care of all have about the same IQ.
>>538769504>anyone can be a gold-winning olympic athlete if they just hit the gym enough, genetics mean nothingAh, so you're one of those women who thinks that men aren't naturally stronger and faster than women. hahaha
>>538763922You could eliminate pretty much all social programs with one simple replacement: federal job guarantee.Bet you wouldn't support it.
>>538763097Ironically, Trump University would not meet this criteria.
>>538769689I'm not saying genetics don't play a role but on average everyone is about 5' 7" and someone who trained to run would beat an untrained 6' 7" dude.
There are useful degrees that dont translate well into economic value, nurses are underpaid for instance, as are plenty of medium skill careers.This sort of control might control the immidiate catlady type degrees but it will lead to a less flexible education system that will mismatch with the economy and make universities too risk adverse and rigid (unwilling to take risks)Government is slow, why do right wingers suddenly want more government? Oh right, because the government wants to be seen to be fixing "woke" instead of creating working policy.I hate your administration Amerilards, it's all kneejerk irrational policy every five minutes, you are turning into an authoritarian shithole that's top down leadership only.
>>538769434>>538769574Also the biggest thing is that not everyone ever truly "redlines" their engine. I'd say most people are unaware of what they are actually capable of.
>>538763097>Studies show that people who study the humanities are those who have empathy for others and go into career fields that do a great deal of much needed humanitarian work.>The war on empathy has begun.Translation: niggers are a massive pit into which infinite money, time, and resources is thrown, and we're terrified of an America that cares more about building CAD machines and repairing the plumbing than the noble and enlightened pursuit of force-feeding niggers fifty times their own body weight in fried slop and then giving them heroic (and expensive) medical care until they gracelessly expire by gluttony-induced organ failure.
>>538763097Genuinely a good idea
