Here's your new Aussie flag, mate. The Antipodean Maple Leaf.
Gross. The yellow of the middle stripe clashes with the wattle.Also green and gold isn't a good colour scheme. I wish we'd just retire it and use a mix of red, white, and blue.Lastly, there's no valid reason to change the flag. We haven't culturally innovated in any respectable way and should remain under the shadow of the Union Jack until we do.
complete dogshit. just use the eureka flag
>>538793591Hows this bad boy?
>>538793849A proper strong one!
>>538793591definitely need the blue to symbolize the ocean and thus the continent aspecthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexillology
>>538793780Honestly this is the only good option for a better australian flag. Eureka flag is genuinely good.>unique>distinct, immediately recognizable even at a distance>easy to draw>is actually historically relevant instead of being designed by some dude for a contestIt's a huge shame it was coopted by far right movements. That essentially kills any chances it may actually be adopted.
>>538793780Based>>538794160>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VexillologyFaggot kys
>>538793591I can see your inspiration.>>538794160This one is great.
>>538794160They don't need to symbolize the ocean, everyone knows it has beaches already
>>538794347>It's a huge shame it was coopted by far right movementsFuck off
>>538793780>>538794347What if...>>538794493It's not my fault if your ideology is so toxic that any symbols that are coopted by it become immediately radioactive and nobody wants to use them anymore. Same thing happened with the swastika. The fasces had a similar fate, at least here in Italy, despite being a genuinely moving symbol with great historical importance.
>>538794637The Fasces is still used in the US and France I think.
>>538793591Nice, but I think flag haters want to get rid of any reference to the british empire, so they probably wouldn't like imperial references on the escutcheon of the crest.
>>538794637>your ideology is so toxic that any symbols that are coopted by it become immediately radioactive and nobody wants to use them anymore.
>>538794698Yes, but not here in Italy. Which is a shame because it's a nice symbol, that lends itself to many uses.
>>538793591Hehe funny kangaroo and emu
>>538794637The Eureka flag here is more associated with unions and the labor movement. You can find it flying at construction sites.I never even knew there was a far right connection until I played HoI4.
>>538794637You know Australia was literally built on white nationalism and imperialism right?
>>538793591what do the colors piss yellow and puke green stand for?
>>538794814That's interesting. I've never been to Australia, so all I know about it is from reading wikipedia and other such sources. I think it would make for a fine national flag - maybe replacing the central star with the seven pointed commonwealth star?
>>538793780Did you know that flag was created by a Canadian gold miner, named Henry Charles Ross? His mother back in Canada was so ashamed of his participation in a rebellion against the British that she never spoke about how he died, instead she'd only say "he just died".The majority of people participating in the Eureka rebellion had only been in the country less than three years.
>>538794863cope harder, butthurt flag.
>>538794863You're not even a real country kek you literally only exist to cripple Germany
>>538793591My personal favourite, though I'd change the ratio to 3:5>>538793780Godawful
>>538794937That's fucking disgusting. Why throw away the British heritage for some nondescript slop?
>>538794937Absolute Africa dogshit-tier bicolour.
>>538794882>I've never been to AustraliaYou might like it. There's a lot of post-war Italian influence in the cities. Coincidentally, there was actually an Italian at the Eureka stockade, which is where the flag comes from.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raffaello_Carboni> I think it would make for a fine national flagYeah I think it's aesthetic and has a genuine connection with our culture and history. New Zealand has been looking at adopting a new flag and all their suggestions feel a bit artificial, so I'd hate to go down that route.
>>538794919another contender for the piss yellow and puke green>>538794936Your country is controlled by Israel through coercion and blackmail.
>>538794863
>>538794887>The majority of people participating in the Eureka rebellion had only been in the country less than three years.The majority of the people in Victoria as a whole were recent arrivals. The population increased by 6.5 times in a period of 10 years.>The population of Melbourne grew swiftly as the gold fever took hold, as did the colony's total population: from 1851 to 1861, it grew from 75,000 to 500,000.I don't think I've ever seen a movie or TV show that does justice to how absolutely mental it would have been. Not to mention the crime.
>>538795058>muh JOOOOOOOOS
>>538793591everything reminds me of her
>>538794854So was Rhodesia, and look where it is now. Things change with the times>>538795036I would love to visit one day. Seems like a very kino country for outdoors and hiking. Also some interesting and little known historical stuff, like the one you just mentioned.>New Zealand has been looking at adopting a new flag and all their suggestions feel a bit artificial, so I'd hate to go down that route.Yes, I agree. Flags designed by contest always look a bit soulless. Even though I get that in some situations there's really not many other options. Although imo New Zealand could just adopt a modified version of the United Tribes flag, or hell even just the Maori flag, which looks really good.
>>538793591I like this flag. Australia should bear the images of their conquerors on their flag
>>538795112amen
>>538795145That's true but, I mean, it's not really like Australians (I know Australia didn't exist yet, but you know what i mean) were rebelling in the eureka rebellion, because just about everyone there were random migrants from across the world who had only been in the country a couple of years.
>>538795187Are you implying that you want Australia to turn into Zimbabwe?
>>538794882Aussie troops to this day are still called "diggers".This dates back to the gold diggers from the Eureka Stockade, but more strongly associated with trench warfare skills of ANZAC troops in WW1 and WW2.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digger_(soldier)The Eureka flag may have been adopted by far right groups in Australia but it doesn't have the same connotations as the Confederacy flag in the US. Noone here gets angry at seeing a Eureka flag
>>538794430well somebody clearly got vexed :DD
>>538795187You should. Maybe some Australians on here give you a hard time but Italians are very accepted to be honest.We also have an Italo-Australian dialecthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italo-Australian_dialect>Although imo New Zealand could just adopt a modified version of the United Tribes flag, or hell even just the Maori flagI think it's a bit controversial because, obviously, the majority of kiwis aren't Maori. The Maori also have a lot of political power in NZ and white kiwis, especially the ones who post here, resent that. So changing the flag to something firmly indigenous could send the wrong sign.
>>538794489fair, too>borderless vs bordered>>538794488still needs something more than just stripes, those stars could be reworked into itorthe stars on the flag could be change to tiny circles representing islandsandditch the union jacki mean, if you guys did ever want to clearly 'demarcate' yourselves from the, ehem, "home country," the union jack's gotta gothat all being said: have there been countries with two official flags?
>>538794863the citizens
>>538795282Zimbabwe is the way it is today because the white rhodesian settlers doggedly refused to make any concession in order to maintain their absolute hold on their power and their land. They even went so far as to unilaterally secede from the British Empire (which is a literal act of treason against what was then their legitimate government), kill off or imprison all the moderate black politicians, start an unwinnable guerrilla war against their own population (which by that time was led by the radical communists because all the moderates had been killed or imprisoned), involved several other neighboring african countries by invading them, committed a bunch of warcrimes, alienated all their potential international allies (even apartheid South Africa) and ended up choking and losing a war they started. If the Rhodesians weren't such retarded nutcases, maybe Zimbabwe wouldn't be as bad now. Australia is not going to turn into Zimbabwe because Australian politicians have been generally more competent than Rhodesian ones. Granted, it wasn't a very high bar to clear.>>538795316Very cool stuff. This is fascinating to me because Australian history is a complete black hole to us in Europe. We know something about US history, but absolutely 0 about Australia (and NZ too)
>>538795112/thread
>>538795475Yeah man you're just delusional. I need to go to bed; I'm not gonna have the same race debate for the five hundredth time. But what I will say is that all of the evidence is out there, and it's overwhelming if you look at it honestly. History has shown that diversity is toxic.
>>538793591Yuck. You will never be the Haitian Flag. 3/10 Try again.
>>538795654Idk man the US has always been pretty diverse and it's the greatest country in the world according to your own propaganda>>538795682Based
>>538795793>the US has always been diverseTotal fabrication. I hope you don't actually believe that. Just look up "US racial laws" and read for hours. We were a racial imperialist project to spread the white race as far as possible while keeping our blood pure. We were more akin to a cult of blood worship than some diverse chungus paradise. You should know this.
>>538793591If this isn't your flag, you're not australian
>>538793591The new Australian fag design needs to reflect the Australia of the future. How will Australia look in 45 years time?>infrastructure, economy and standard of living will look like Brazil.>demographically the population will look like a mix between Malaysia (but with triple the jeets) and Fiji.>culture, religion and politics will be Asian (heavily South Asian), with strong Islamic influences, with authoritarian yet very corrupt governance. Therefore picrel is the most suitable flag for Australia going forward.
>>538796047Gem
>>538796047>>infrastructure, economy and standard of living will look like Brazil.Brazil has people living outside Sao Paulo. Right now, over 40% of Australia lives in two cities. By 2071, it will be 60 - 70%. It's going to be Mega-City One.
>>538795874I hate to break it to you but "the white race" does not exist. There are Englishmen, Scotsmen, Germans, Italians, Irishmen, Norwegians, Swedes, all of which immigrated in the US at various times and in various waves, eventually more or less intermixing over the decades to create the amalgamation known today as "white race". The Confederacy was the only polity in the north american continent that was explicitly white supremacist, and it got its shit kicked in during the civil war. The racial laws got explicitly repealed in the course of the decades. Even if it was once true that the US were a racial imperialist project (I sound like a maoist saying this) that is largely no longer true, at least not in an over explicit way. And besides, even the actual white supremacists couldn't live up to their own propaganda and had to import millions of black slaves to work their field (often having sex and children with them too). I am confident that eventually, as time marches on, the last few vestiges of white supremacy in the US will be swept away one way or another.
>>538796047Pretty cool flag for a sci-fi space empire ngl
>>538796182I've heard this shit time and time again, and it's all bullshit. Arguable the U.S. of the 1950s was more white supremacist than the U.S. of the 1800s in some ways. Obviously the white race is real. You can look at population genetics and the words of the founders to see what they thought. Americans today are still largely British, there was no real replacing of original old stock Americans.>I am confident that eventually, as time marches on, the last few vestiges of white supremacy in the US will be swept away one way or anotherAnd then what? We become more advanced? Safer? Higher-trust? Richer? More unified? More dominant geopolitically? How will diversity help us achieve these goals? Is there one country today that owes its success to diversity?>inb4 SingaporeSuccessful despite diversity, not because of it.
>>538795392>You should. Maybe some Australians on here give you a hard time but Italians are very accepted to be honest.Lmao as a general rule you really shouldn't judge a people by its specimen who post on 4chan (especially /pol/)My sister used to have an Aussie friend. One side of her family is italian, so she comes here to visit her relatives from time to time. >I think it's a bit controversial because, obviously, the majority of kiwis aren't MaoriI get that, but it's a shame, because aesthetically it's a very cool flag. Maybe there could be a way to work out a design that combines the southern cross design with something indigenous.
>>538796180>Brazil has people living outside Sao Paulo.Yeah when i say infrastructure, economy and standard of living of Brazil, I'm talking favelas, crappy roads, power black outs, gdp per capita and ranking on HDI. But yes I can imagine a scenario where a giant steaming, stinking megacity of crumbling infrastructure, slum apartments, filled with brown people emerges where Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong are now.
>>538793591Needs more emus and kangaroos.And like a hundred million more rabbits.
>>538796182>The Confederacy was the only polity in the north american continent that was explicitly white supremacistAh yeah not like the federal government explicitly banned nonwhite immigration or anything that'd be CRAZY
>>538794637It is actually your fault that you're a faggot who cedes symbols to your opponents because you're terrified of looking problematic.
>>538793591>Here's your new Aussie flag, mate.
>>538796330>Americans today are still largely British, there was no real replacing of original old stock AmericansPosted like a true amerimutt>Arguable the U.S. of the 1950s was more white supremacist than the U.S. of the 1800s in some ways. And what happened next?>And then what? We become more advanced? Safer? Higher-trust? Richer? More unified? More dominant geopolitically? How will diversity help us achieve these goals? Is there one country today that owes its success to diversity?Idk. I can't see the future. I just think that will happen, I don't know what the consequences will be. Maybe things will improve for you, maybe they won't. I think "diversity" is a very abstract concept that is nearly impossible to measure and correleate with a country being "successful" (another thing that's really hard to measure). Switzerland has always been a very diverse country, it has four languages crammed in a tiny territory, it's split between catholics and protestants, and it even has a large immigrant population. But I would still consider it a very successful country. >>538796501And then what happened?>>538796547Hey don't talk to me like that. If it were up to me we'd still have swastikas on christmas greeting cards. I don't make the rules.
>>538796602>and then what happenedThe country was deindustrialized, the cities became unsafe, social trust dropped, inequality spiked, political polarization increased...How has diversity improved America?>Switzerland has always been a very diverse countryIt's not genetically or culturally diverse. Only linguistically diverse. Don't be thick. Your example of a successful diverse country is 90% white, and historically has been 100% white. Why not Brazil? Why not Mexico? I have to question if you even believe the things you're saying anon. Don't you understand how ridiculous you sound?
>>538796602Hoho, did the Italian just call someone a mutt?https://youtu.be/6_G7-opxBLQ?t=78
>>538795112kek hell yeah. Make me wanna listen to ac/dc
>>538796744>How has diversity improved America?I think all the things you mentioned, including diversity, are symptoms of wider social and economic trends. I don't think diversity caused any of those things. If you do think that, then the burden of proof is on you.>It's not genetically or culturally diverseDo you have any idea what the Röstigraben is? If I were Swiss I'd be offended right now.>90% whiteWhiteness is a social construct largely created in the US and other slave economies to distinguish between slaves and slave holders and to morally and scientifically justify slavery as rooted in objective reality rather than in the mere desire for power and profit. You are holding onto an 18th century fiction.>Why not Brazil? Why not Mexico?If you as an american are asking me why latin american countries are doing bad you should probably read a book about your own country's history man idk what to tell you>>538796806I know that I, as an Italian, am the result of the interbreeding of several different peoples who came to the peninsula at different times. I'm ok with it. Italy is another example of a diverse country, and one that I would also consider relatively successful in historical terms. By calling me a mutt, you're proving the other anon wrong - there really is no such thing as a white race, there are individual nations, which are the result of the mixing of various previous peoples and nations who for various reasons came to occupy the same territory in the past
>>538796744If you don't like the Switzerland example, here's another very diverse country. I'd say they're pretty successful, since they're currently beating you in a war.
>>538796583So many people don't know about the Simpsons.Also what the hell is in the background mate.
>>538797055Why do we need racial diversity? Why? Genuinely how do we benefit from it? You've provided no evidence.
>>538797314I don't think you "need" it. It's just a fact of history, it's there and it's happening. It's neither good or bad by itself, it depends on how governments and societies deal with it. The US may or may not benefit from it. Rhodesia is a pretty good example of the relationship between different ethnic groups coexisting in the same territory was managed so badly that the very social fabric holding Rhodesia together became completely untenable, and so it was swallowed by history. There are many more virtuous examples.
>>538793591australia - aal air stu - anal fair stunThey get you down under!!
>muh flag debatefuck off u poof cunts
