Why do MAGAtroons harp on about the good old days of the 1950s and 60s, yet violently reject the socialist 'new deal' economics of the period? Instead they support economic policies which would bring them back to the bad old days of the gilded age where people lived in squalor. Trump is quite blatant about this.
>>538801430Because it's an ideology based on spite.
>>538801430It's because they benefitted heavily from those socialist policies you mentioned and they have a "fuck you I got mine" mentality. They don't want their assets or houses to plummet in price they don't care if the younger generation suffers.
>>538801430Yes a little government (socialism) is goodlike it was in the 50s and 60sThe bloated heavy handed government we have now (socialism) is the reason of our misery Heavy regulations/taxes and government censoring internet posts would be an example of bad socialism
>>538801430they are dumb as shit
>>538801430>yet violently reject the socialist 'new deal' economics of the period?Because you're a lying subhuman and that era was LESS socialist than today.Effective tax rates were lower(look up the difference between marginal and effective tax rates).Money printing was far lower.We were still on semi-gold standard.Much less regulations.FAR FAR less government spending(including less social spending)FAR less government intervention in healthcare and education meaning prices were low.Reminder leftists are fucking LIARS!
>>538801554Old people caring about their house prices is such a silly thing too. They will never benefit from the house price rising unless they plan to make themselves homeless, so who gives a shit. There is a similar attitude in the UK. Working class old people who supported the Attlee and Wilson governments (further to the left than modern day China) now support the total destruction of society.
The economics are besides the point, dipshit. 1950s America and Britain were white ethnostates (America was 90% white, blacks were segregated second-class citizens).
>>538801430Socialism is only possible in a homogeneous society.
>>538801430Because they led to the far left faggotry you support today.It's people like you that want to be replaced by brown foreigners.
Britain had literally just been bankrupted by a world war, and yet 1950s Britain was paradise compared to the decaying, multiracial hellscape it is today after being ravaged by more than three decades of mass replacement immigration.
Death to socialist retards.
>>538801580big government ≠ socialism. regulations and taxes are applied heavily to employees and small business owners whilst being completely ignored by big business.
>>538801728>The economics are besides the pointThey are not. White replacement IS CAUSED by neoliberal capitalism so you cant separate the two.Anyway, if you went to Britain before the era of the labour mixed economy it was a highly unpleasant time to live. Any old person who remembers the loves of their own parents and grandparents can tell you.
>>538802053>neoliberal capitalismdoesn't existtake your meds commie
>>538801752>It's people like you that want to be replaced by brown foreigners.No. That's neoliberals who believe muh free markut is an impartial arbiter of justice and morality. Every society which has demographically replaced itself has done so for capitalist reasons. Rome for example. Foreign slaves and workers were imported to undercut local labour until they lost their own empire because of it.
>>538802109Cultural Marxism exists, it is a fringe ideology believed by Trotskyist retards. Maybe 1 in 5 lecturers in universities is an ideological cultural marxist, idk.Meanwhile neoliberalism is demonstrably the economic and social system in which we live, and which has governed the west for over 50 years. I don't get the pic, do you think neoliberalism doesn't exist or something?
>>538801915Emerging Government roles and actions in the 50 60s = socialismHeavily expanded Government now ≠ not socialism Very convenient
>>538801430because in the 50s and 60s gays got beat to death and soo did whorish women. AND IT WAS LEGAL.
>>538802331let me guess. Real capitalism has never been tried?
>foreign commieNo one cares
>>538802053This has been debunked. Third worlders are a net drain in every respect.If what you say were true, we would be filtering out 95% of the vermin we import, accepting only Europeans, Japanese, Chinese etc. Instead we get Nigerians and Bangladeshis on low-wage visas who each bring their extended family of economically inactive dependants with them.The Boris Wave absolutely annihilates your argument. It's utterly destructive in every respect.
>>538801430maga all come from those poor rural villages, the ones where students all sit together regardless of age in one class, and they all have to do the same school work because there's not enough supplies to go around. They revel in their ignorance and stupidity, repeating propaganda from fox news local like a stuck record, waiting for that pat on the head from meemaw and pawpaw just for regurgitating absolute retardism
>>538802163>it's really the right importing brownsLol, you're just a lying retard.
>>538802274its a meme flag hes retarded and/or baiting, filter all meme flags
FDR put through all of these temporary measures to improve peoples lives because if he didnt there would have been an actual communist revolution. Television was almost entirely formulated in the 1950s and 60s to brainwash people into thinking their affluence was from their bootstraps and not from higher corporate taxes. These retards watched their parents and grandparents starve with their bootstrap ls under capitalism.
>>538802734if you remove east asians from asia theyd probably be below even blacks kekjeets not once
>>538802274>Meanwhile neoliberalism is demonstrably the economic and social system in which we liveHAHAHAHAHAHA Yeah you totally fell for it.economic liberalism is when endless government control and endless money printing, right!!>do you think neoliberalism doesn't exist or something?Imagine falling for marxist buzzwords. Wow, what a fucking retard.
>>538801727They are in for the sense of gambling, but also not getting anything out of being a smart investor is kind a huge fuck you. Realistically, the government should never have let it became this situation.
>>538802844>FDR put through all of these temporary measures to improve peoples lives because if he didnt there would have been an actual communist revolution.WOW and he created a depression that lasted over a decade.His policies sure "worked"You fucking communist retard
>>538802695Why do you assume capitalists care about the governamental budget?I see this argument being throw over and over again how migrants are a net drain on governmental finances but again, this is a governmental problem. Capitalists don't give a shit to that as long governments don't raise taxes on THEM to cover the migrants expenses (they actually lobby to cut spending on goyim health and education and you retards keep applauding that).
>>538802695thirdies are a net drain on the economy as a whole, yes. But oligarchs don't give a shit. If you import 100 thirdies and 3/4 of them are idle whilst 1/4 displace british workers, this is good for the profits of the oligarch. Who gives a shit that 3/4 of them are a drain when it's not the oligarch's problem. his employees are the ones paying most of the tax anyway.Mexicans are a net drain on America, yet Trump refuses to deport illegal Mexican migrants working in agriculture. Why? It's because the oligarchs running the gigantic farming conglomerates personally benefit from the cheap labour at the cost of society, and Trump is working in their interest.
>>538802957Dont forget what LBJ did either.
>>538801430>Socialism works when it's white people and you only import white people >Unless you're NYC you never stood a chance
>>538802780Regan pardoned all the illegals and started the massive tidal wave of Mexican immigration. So yes, it is.
>>538802844>Television was almost entirely formulated in the 1950s and 60s to brainwash people into thinking their affluence was from their bootstraps and not from higher corporate taxesThe 50s prosperity came from the economic growth that occurred because the economy was much more of a free market than is it today.>>538803019There will be retards defending him too. Absolute bootlickers>>538803027What's it like believing leftist lies?
The reason these so called "right wingers" believe leftist lies about the economy is because they're leftists themselves.
>>538803056You're brown/Jewish
>>538802109It's deregulation and free movement of capital, labor is seen as an input. Hence immigration.You being too stupid to understand economics isn't a win. But I'm sure you'll find someone who'll finesse your ego into thinking it is
>>538803011What you're describing isn't even capitalism, its some perverted, crony globalism and elitism.
>>538803101Yup. It's like... A cartel?
>>538803093Look in the mirror 3rd worldy>>538803100>It's deregulationMeanwhile we have record high levels of "regulation"(intervention). So yet another lie.
>>538801430Because socialists, at least here are also adamant on globalism and unfettered immigration. Its suicidal policy.
>>538802917You are retarded. Seem to think liberalism = anarchism or something. It's not. In classical liberalism the state also had a massive role to play, as it does today. States carved out empires to exert their economic influence. States used to grant government backed monopolies to corporations, and enforce their monopolies through force of arms. That is classical liberalism as it really existed. But I guess real classical liberalism and real neoliberalism have never been tried?
>>538803027Socialism only work in high trust societies that are based on shame and guilt so you guilt and shame people taking social help and they are trusted to get up go to work and stop doing it.
Looking as an outsider, it doesn't look like MAGA has any genuine convictions on economic issues. Take just tariffs, they believed it was brilliant when trump implemented them and then brilliant when he changed his mind for the 300th time, a brilliant "tax cut" when he removed them.enitrely for swaths of items then also brilliant when he reimposed some of them
Maybe if some kinda socialism only benefitted the people of our nation. Idk I might be crazy.
>>538803161>we have record high levels of "regulation"(intervention)In the US? No. The FBI's financial corruption unit was disbanded, so were a lot of other regulatory agencies. Also add privatization to that. The point is you really don't know what you're talking about anon. But I guess you can go to your grave crying the sky isn't blue. Your choice
>>538803247>it doesn't look like MAGA has any genuine convictions on economic issuesIt's a kleptocratic agenda like Russia in the early 2000s. The idpol grievance-baiting is there to distract the rubes while they rob them blind. Which should be obvious at this point
>>538801430>the good old days of the 1950s and 60sNo one believes this. True chuds yearn for the antebellum days.
>>538803244>Seem to think liberalism = anarchism or somethingI never implied that. Economic liberalism just means a shift towards freer markets.We've obviously had the complete opposite of that over the past 50 years with the central bank takeover, endless money printing and spending strangling the economy. Oh and the massive increase in regulations/interventions.You people are braindead.Neoliberalism implies we had liberalism in the past, then we switched to anti-liberalism, and now we are going back to liberalism.When in reality we have simply shifted from the economic liberalism of the late 1800s to the hyper state controlled anti-liberal economy of today.>States carved out empires to exert their economic influence.Liberalism and merchantilism were complete opposites.>That is classical liberalism as it really existed.No, it's merchantilism, read a book nigger zoomer
>>538803297>In the US? No.See pic, you're simply wrong. This doesn't even include state regulations.>Also add privatization to that.What privatization? Amtrak for example was nationalized.
>>538803469That's an absolutely ridiculous chart to prove your point.>>538803413>We've obviously had the complete opposite of that over the past 50 yearsDo you even know who Milton Friedman is? You're clearly not a serious person
>>538803176>>538803262I completely agree with you on that. The modern 'left' is astroturfed by oligarchs with the express purpose to make it as retarded and unattractive as possible. Anyone who claims to be left and is anti white is a complete tool.
>>538803608>That's an absolutely ridiculous chart to prove your point.Why? Because it makes you mad.It proves my point directly.The economy has more government intervention now. You're simply wrong.>Do you even know who Milton Friedman is?Of course.Why do you communist bootlickers pretend we followed his advice?Government spending and money printing exploded since his time. Seem like we listened to the leftists instead of friedman.
>>538801430You're retarded.
>>538803664Economic leftism IS fucking retarded.You people openly want to make us as poor as Venezuela. They tried socialism and it caused extreme poverty for decades, and don't give me that muh US interventionism bullshit, the sanctions were light and happened many years after shit got terrible.Eat shit and die.
>>538801430>Instead they support economic policies which would bring them back to the bad old days of the gilded age where people lived in squalor.What? The Gilded age has skyrocketing wages and living standards.I absolutely want to go back to those policies.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age>The rapid expansion of industrialization led to real wage growth of 40% from 1860 to 1890, spreading across the expanding labor force.
>>538802695So this was your Prime Minister?
>>538803698More pages in your booky-wooky doesn't make your agencies less toothless or imply a lack of regulatory capture. What kind of retarded argument is that lol. It's like Spinal Tap "our dials go up to 11"
>>538801430liberal governments of today spend some 3x more than they did in the 1960s, and most of it gets swallowed up by consultants and a cascade of bad decisions made by bureaucrats. reagan thatcher neoliberalism has gutted the capacity of the state, and the social policies you refer to are impossible to implement. the worst thing you can do is vote for more government spending, as neoliberal governments are incapable of creating tangible outcomes. you only get more compliance policy and consulting bills, and the result is less productivity, less material wealth and ultimately less dignity for the average person. if you want socialist economic policy, you need a completely different form of government
>>538803961>reagan thatcher neoliberalism has gutted the capacity of the stateOutsourcing is a part of that yeah? Economics is complicated irl. /pol/ simpletons will never be able to have a real conversation until they devolve into slinging buzzwords at strawmen.
>>538803958>or imply a lack of regulatory capture.Wow your skull is truly empty.I AM implying there IS regulatory capture you retard.Either way, I proved there are MORE regulations than there were in the past, they keep piling up.How exactly is this economic liberalism?Are you dense?
>>538803961>government got bigger, more socialist, more corrupt>better blame free markets(which is by definition the direct opposite of this)You communists are so incredible blind and retarded.It's fascinating to see how your brain works.
>>538803961>as neoliberal governmentsThere is no such thing as neoliberalism you retard lmaoIt's a made up leftist boogeyman.>government monopolies on money that print and spend trillions of dollars is "Liberalism"makes perfect sense
>>538803954He's Jewish
>>538804241That's not what that means anon.>Regulatory capture is when a government agency created to oversee an industry becomes influenced or controlled by the very companies or interests it is supposed to regulate, leading it to serve those interests rather than the public.
>>538804506>>Regulatory capture is when a government agency created to oversee an industry becomes influenced or controlled by the very companies or interests it is supposed to regulate, leading it to serve those interests rather than the public.Yes. I know.You retard.
>>538804622So why do you think>more pages = more effective and onerous regulationRather than>more pages = smokescreen to mislead and deceive the publicMaybe you understand the words "qualitative" and "quantitative". You can also argue about kleptocracy, which takes a lot of government intervention and suppresses a free market, but it's neither socialist or liberal. I don't really understand your point. You just seem to be arguing reflexively, which is more an internet browsing habit that some kind of economic outlook. You're welcome to try and explain yourself better.
>>538804745>So why do you think>>more pages = more effective and onerous regulation>Rather than>>more pages = smokescreen to mislead and deceive the publicIt's actually more burdensome regulation as well as regulatory capture.It's all government intervention and it's all, by definition, anti-liberal.Which was my point. You haven't refuted me.>Maybe you understand the words "qualitative" and "quantitative". You have yet to prove that it's qualitative.>but it's neither socialist or liberal.Then why do you people manipulate others into calling it liberal when it clearly is the opposite that?
>>538804086>Economics is complicated irl.economics is one of the simplest things in the world and it takes a lot of money and effort to explain the phenomena you witness daily as complications.
>>538805029Let me make an analogy for you.>1 law on paper, with enforcement>10 laws on paper, no enforcementWhich scenario has more real regulation? And that's without asking who writes the laws, and for whom. Anyways.>Then why do you people manipulate others into calling it liberal when it clearly is the opposite that?I don't know, nobody seems to talk about corruption and kleptocracy but me, it doesn't map cleanly onto left-right culture war mania. But it's a reality, look at Hungary. Is kleptocracy capitalist or socialist? Maybe it's a bad comparison in itself.>>538805065Well, like all things, the devil is in the details.
>>538804304>>538804378you call me a communist for criticising government bloat? ok
>>538805506A lot people are still stuck in the 20th century (capitalism-communism). Those models don't really work anymore but of course, change is hardhttps://web.archive.org/web/20260503192454/https://anneapplebaum.substack.com/p/kleptocracy-inc-d7f>after Donald Trump Jr.’s venture capital firm invested in an American rare earth mining company—then valued at $200 million—the Trump administration took a $50 million stake in the firm, helping raise its valuation to $2 billion.
