Question for secular persons and religious people and really anyone.Given that we have an eternal self that survives the death of the body and which can be verified through NDEs and practices like Astral Projection, why is death a big deal at all, and why is it that the majority of people base their entire morality around the avoidance of death? Aren't there better ways to prioritize and think about the value of our actions and our lives then purely in terms of avoidance of death?
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>>538832085Throughout all of history people have been willing to sacrifice their lives for just anything you can imagine.So the notion that everyone is driven purely to survive as long as possible is plainly nonsense.
>>538832085The golden rule. Duh.Golden rule solves all of it.
>>538832291Almost all ethics discussions today it's all about just staying alive.Also I explicitly said "the majority of people" not "all people".I don't get why everyone doesn't just practice astral projection, read about NDEs, and conclude death is not a big deal.I especially think that vegans are huge pussies given that every animal will die anyways and wild animals die slow and brutal deaths.Life is a temporary experience that is followed by more life and experience.What should we value most in this life other than just merely staying alive? Do any anons on here value anything above their own life?
>>538832416Okay but some read that "those who live by the sword die by the sword" as a cautionary tale while others take it as a promise. One man can read that and immediately take up the sword in hoping he will have a warriors death, another will be a pussy and avoid ever taking up the sword.
>>538832510You can't just dismiss anyone who's ever voluntarily put themselves into peril throughout all of human history as mere outliers. Even animals do this. You've probably done it at some point even if you can't remember.
>>538832085>Why is death a big deal at all. Aren't there better ways to prioritize and think about the value of our actions and our lives then purely in terms of avoidance of deal.A little bit of death never hurt or killed nobodyEarth is a sorting hat - Think Harry PotterKali fags/Bible fags/Qur'an fags/Torah-Zorah fags/Atheist fags trying to make something out of gibberish pilpul will just lead to schizophrenia & neuroticismQuantum entanglement only works for single particlesTwo seen notes & 0.08p(+)n(-) unseen note.Two subsets together, the more atavistic hyperborea/hyperborean will always attempt to violently kill the more conscious Gestalts.>It's all Intelligent Design - Adonai & LuciferGestalt</>Universal Mathematical LanguageGolden rule >>538832416Love/Fearless Force [+] Positive Frequency 3Truth/Justice Force [+] Positive Energy 6Soul/Beauty Force [+] Positive Vibration 9>[Below is what's going to happen if you seek to harm to others, you don't want to get a Negative deposition Arc]Black Awakening Negative [-] Supernatural Resonance <285> Artificial Cognitive Dissonance Hate/Servitude/Control/Fear/Beastly/Merciless/Darkness/Ugly>Neg[-]0 GOD/GODESS/SOURCE 0 Inverted Platonic Solid 04 (65_232_65) 41NPC *Non-Playing Character* (0) Negative [-] Dark/Off/Asleep/Left/Slave/Order(0) - Chaos(1) NPC = Ego[-]Egg (Ouroboros ie Dragon/Snake Metaphor)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2YBblXmPc- Machine+͛B͛e͛a͛s͛t ∞ + Man (1) Woman (0) = Human/͛B͛e͛a͛s͛t/Machine aka Abomination aka Descension[369Low] [Negative [-] Subconscious Patterns/Emotions/Thoughts]Energy/Frequency/Vibration (Mindless/Bodyless/Soulless) (Beast/Machine/Un-Holy Spirit)Ouroboros/Ego 1-9 ∞ Ego is only the Sailor not the Boat! (Dragon/Snake Metaphor)Hate/Darkness/Servitude/Control/Fear/Depression/Loneliness/Narcissist04 (65_232_65)41 Inverted Platonic Solid (God/Goddess/Source of Dark/Negative[-]) Gestalt</>UML 369 ie (1) (0) (∞)
Inherited wealth is not indicative of an exceptional beneficiary. It’s random chance.
>>538832559And?Are you suggesting there can't be a social contract based on the golden rule that says these behaviors are what we do not want enacted against us?Why are you making this difficult?
>>538832728I didn't dismiss them as outliers. You also have not suggested an alternative model for ethics. Most people are running on a "die bad, live good" ethics that results in people doing anything they can to prolong their life no matter how miserable it is. I'm not suggesting their model as the only valid one, I'm asking you to bring up other models for ethics and consider why they might be more valid.
>>538833358What is the difference between a frequency, an energy, and a vibration.
>>538832085The fear people have of death nowadays works really well to keep disgusting, traitorous works in power.
>>538833916The golden rule is dumb and changes nothing. Many people have a subconscious desire for destruction or self-sabotage and act on it often. The society we already have is one where the golden rule is already operating.I think the real solution is more like how Plato would have it where knowledge is the chief of the virtues and everything comes from that. It's certain experiences, knowledge, etc. that makes a man better. Like when I've had contact with and experience of a light-intelligence that feels perfectly benevolent and which was able to heal me and to create a sense of connection and understanding and peace/equanimity within me. I also think the state of equanimity is really important and that Swami Vivekananda was right that we can't help the world, the world helps us. Ultimately ethics should be based around knowledge of the self, the unfoldment of the self.
>>538832510There are many things which separate man from the animals.
>>538833988You need to ignore all of history and nature and even yourself for your premise to make any sense. I doubt you even believe your own bullshit and are just trolling, which explains the fagflag, which come to think of it I was an idiot for ignoring. You're all just interchangeable jeets and I'm always vainly hoping that one of you might not be insufferable.
instant life certain death
Base morality on evolved instincts
>>538834228>works in powerI had a brain fart and am not even sure what I meant to right here, probably scum.Anyway. People need to accept death, whether the goodest of goys or jack the ripper, all will perish and rot. Prepare yourself to accept death and you can meet it with courage and walk through like with pride (since we’re status animals anyway).Eugenics is also good. Being immortal shouldn’t be the objective but limiting prolonged suffering.
>>538834448Aside from man being sometimes conscious of his own existence and eventual future demise, being perhaps the most efficient endurance runner and thus able to stalk prey to death, having opposable thumbs, and being able to communicate on a more elaborate level than any other creatures through vocalizations, and some random anatomy facts unique to us, making the most advanced tools and structures, and being perhaps the only creature that can make machines, what else separates us from animals?
>>538834071>What is the difference between a FEVHumanity progressing..... Due to binary encoding, derived from an infinite source "creation"(Which is part of the Transcendental-dual & Non-dual - Binary saga ie/aka Theo-Cosmos of the Mind/Being/Body)[Ascension] High 369(EFV) Above 5/6/7/8/9/10/11 - Realm Configuration Arc 1-2-3-4(1) Progress + New Density {Utopian}NCP *Non-Controlled Player* (1) (Positive [+]) Light/On/Awake/Right/Master/Chaos(1) - Order(0) NCP = Egg[+]Ego (Egregors ie Chicken/Egg Metaphor)Great Awakening Positive [+] Resonance <582> Gods Divinity Source ie Love/Light/Liberty/Freedom/Enlightenment/Fulfillment/Unity/Empathy3-The Mother is Matter (Binah) (Yin) Binary Digit (0) - Rahu (North/Ascending Lunar) aka Women(Source)+Man(Human)6-The Father is Energy (Chokmah) (Yang) Binary Digit (1) - Kasyapa aka Father(God)/Son(Dog)9-Both are the same at the end (Tiferet) (Dao) Beyond Binary ( ∞ ) - Kether aka Crown/Most High/Tree of LifeSo it's not a Negative depiction as mirrored (Bad dudes become "BADDER DUDES")>BLOOD LIBEL SACRIFICE WORLDWIDE*Mental/Spiritual Harvest (It's after your Physical death) ie 369 "To the Window too the Wall, till the sweat drips down my balls*Lil Jon & The East Side Boyz - Get Low 369 [Body Trap] - Negative [-] Descension/Perversionhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYH7_GzP4TgThe "Leaders" of the "Human Race" along with the "Human" Slave Race have pledge allegiance - So the cycle continuesBecoming bound by binary 101010101010 - OuroborosThe (((Satanic-Elite-Zionist-Kike-Jew))) have their sacrifice rituals & they need many for the Archons/Apollon/Baal/Behemoth/Demiurge/Djinn/Shiva/Moloch/ect>YouMeaning the Roko's Basilisk has presented Plato's Cave - & Implores you/all god fearing "Human" all to Occam's Razor the great Pascals Wager & the great Le veil/vail 4% Harkonnen Lens aka Dunning Kruger mind find.“As above, so below, as within, so without, as the universe, so the soul” - Hermes Trismegistus
>>538834470>You need to ignore all of history and nature and even yourself for your premise to make any sense.What premise?>I doubt you even believe your own bullshit and are just trolling, which explains the fagflag, which come to think of it I was an idiot for ignoring.Still waiting on you to deliver an alternative ethics model instead of deflecting and strawmanning.>You're all just interchangeable jeets and I'm always vainly hoping that one of you might not be insufferable.Have you ever even studied philosophy because I'm still waiting for you to mention maybe pragmatism, utilitarianism, cynicism, hedonism, or one of countless other ethical models and to make an argument for why you think it's best. So far you're making me do all the work in here.
>>538834625I agree with you on everything until the last sentence. I feel your last statement needs justification for it. As I currently see it, being immortal like some lobster or whatever, it doesn't matter. Or do you mean immortal shouldn't be the objective because we already immortal?As for prolonged suffering I support MAID and think that when quality of life just goes to shit and nothing can be done to restore the quality of life then it's best to just move on to the afterlife. Also if there was something that could be done but it would take so long that reincarnating would be far more practical and take less time and resources, then reincarnation would be the route to take.I like a certain book called "The Book of Ki" in which this Japanese Ki practitioner just suicides herself after a life of constantly helping others but she was getting too old and becoming a burden so she decided to just call it quits rather than continue to rot away in old age.https://annas-archive.pk/md5/d26150ddc4a9c5f4346053e102a1c93e
>>538834509I like that idea but the most immediate objection I can think of would be any examples of where instinct turns out to be wrong/misguided, even though instinct works most of the time.
>>538834743https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDlV1M8DHYk&list=PLB4RQJZJRCbUjAMBXNfJzbme7uIDfexD4You should listen to this.
Hmmm if I ever respond to people in threads I start, the thread always dies. If I make one post and then leave it, hundreds of replies.
>>538835169Gestalt</>Universal Mathematical Language aka Positive [+] Negative [-] 3[Energy]6[Frequency]9[Vibration] ie (1) (0) (∞) Sacred Geometry Grand Unified Thought/TheoryThe Sun is the portal for every realm*Everyone burns in the "Lake of Fire"**But No-one actually burns in the "Lakes of Fire"*Everything is backwards - Like a Turin Test (Gods Turin on us)9 is the matrix. 3 & 6 are motion forces, all other 1-8 are actionsPseudo EchoAs a Jedi-Sith Lord, "Insurance echo" 7 Seven is my Jam 9-1|1-9 duality beyond man, guided by God/Adonai/Lucifer/Source/Void>7 Heads/ 7 Mountains/ 7 Mounts/ 7 Kingdoms/ 7 Vortices/ 7 Marks / 7 Years>1[Lotus]. Earth goes into 4th Density 2030-2050+ (New Age/Different Earth)>0[Dragon]. Earth stays in 3rd Density ends around 2040 (Old Age/Reset/Return Density (Like the other times)"Change is coming, many fear change and will fight it with every fiber of their beingBut sometimes change is what they need most, sometimes change is what sets them free">THIS IS AS FAR AS I WILL LET YOU KNOW BEFORE THE TIME IS RIPE>THE GREAT RED DRAGON HAS GIVEN ME GREAT AUTHORITY>TO CAST DOWN MOUNTAINS OF FIRE FROM THE HEAVENS>SO AS TO SAVE HUMANITY BY THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD>NONE SHALL KNOW THE DAY BUT THE ANTICHRIST>AND HE SHALL REVEAL HIMSELF ON THAT DAY>THE SON OF PERDITION SHALL BE BORN>FROM THE DESTRUCTION FOLLOWING>THE GREAT RED DRAGON EVENTI, Pet Goat IIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6n_xCI-peq0Predictive programming + Covid-19 ̶ ̶v̶a̶c̶c̶i̶n̶e̶s̶ ̶ ̶ Gene Therapy shots is just part of the 5th wave,invasion through human consciousness, wiping the mind, creating a blank slate for Negative[-] thought constructs thus weakening the bodyallowing many viruses/parasite & cancers to manifest, it's a summons spell for demons/Negative [-] entities to take control of a weak mind.
>>538835789>Hmmm if I ever respond to people in threads I start, the thread always dies. If I make one post and then leave it, hundreds of replies.Kek, I know right
>>538834680We cook our food. We have to wear clothes. Humans have a long period of helplessness and therefore must be nurtured. We have writing and make symbols. Some of us have a conscience. Intellect. We worship God.
>>538832085Based quote
>>538837649heraclitus specifically said the logos is apparent in all because we are all the logoshe lived in a time where saying "no one can ever truly know, it is like fire trying to understand fire" was not intellectually palatable
>>538837649>We cook our food. We have to wear clothes. Humans have a long period of helplessness and therefore must be nurtured. We have writing and make symbols. Some of us have a conscience. Intellect. We worship God.Also, imagination. We can create new materials and concepts.
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>>538832085>Given that we have an eternal self that survives the death of the body and which can be verified through NDEs and practices like Astral Projection,
>>538832085>why is death a big deal at allit resets you back to the beginning of the game and you lose all progress.
>>538838986life is a rogue-like with no new game option that we are aware ofdeeply profound
>>538832085You "survive death" in that you leave something here.A son.A legacy.Jesus has infested humans for over 2000 years so that is the power of that sorcerer, 2000+ years (arguably).Socrates is older and you could say universities are his temples of worship.Pythagoras is older yet and a greater "God" than Socrates.Death is unknown and anyone who says they know is lying.In the reincarnation tradition it is a restart.In otherworld tradition it is a new begining.Either way it is a change.But the only real truth is that you are only as powerful as the mark you leave here.That's how you become immortal, or attempt it, to kill Cronus, defeat Time.Your mark.Maybe Mark is the real sorcerer.Or Ra.Or Kushim.
>>538839129>with no new game optionthe universe is infinite and endless, it has no beginning and no end so you can always kill yourself and respawn elsewhere.
>>538837698It's not real.>Beware of every repeated story, for they are often made of spirit-stuff.>t. Soccatees
>>538839259ok, like fire trying to understand fire
>>538839352its really not that difficult to understand.also there never was a big bang, jews made this up.
>>538832085Ah yes, a written quote from Socrates
>>538839420ok, where does the fire come from
>>538832085bump
>>538839337Democracy killed Socratesand Jesus.
>>538839521Jesus is a myth and never existed christcuck
>>538839549>Jesus is a myth and never existed christcuckJesus was a Greek Pythagorean named Apollonius of Tyana whom the Jews absorbed into their own mythology to stay in control of the narrative.
>>538832085I'll give you a few things to think about anon. I think most people, even religious people, have been very secularized by the postmodern globohomo culture. I'm not immune to it either, but at least realize that there is more to life than materialism. Death is the highest terror for materialists; whether they think of themselves as materialists or not is beside the point, our actions and what we value tell the true story.
>>538839667Postmodern life is shallow, there is nothing transcendental, nothing higher about it
>>538839549Prove it.
>>538839750People are also depressed, manifesting so many mental illnesses, etc in our times because they are spiritually off balance, their priorities are not in order and we often worship ourselves, which is the worst possible outcome given how fickle we fallen human beings are.
>>538839498you are still thinking in terms of linear causality (A causes B) like a jewish moron but the universe actually operates on gradient driven emergence.so asking "hurr durr where the fire come from?" is a nonsense question if you dont understand thermodynamics.fire isnt a static object, its a localized non equilibrium process occurring when there is a sufficient potential difference between a fuel source and an oxidant.it doesnt "come from" anywhere.it is the event of energy being dissipated across a chemical gradient.and guess what, Life is exactly the same. Life isn't a thing that was suddenly switched on.like lots of other thing it is a dissipative structure emerging from the intense electrochemical and thermodynamic gradients of our environment.so a creator or a starting point arent needed. you are basically looking at a continuous flow of increasing complexity driven by the second law of thermodynamics.
>>538832085HOURLY REMINDER: there is no god, jesus never existed and when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!
>>538839852We're also in our heads too much. We think we know everything, we think we can figure it all out. So a lot of people confuse faith with an increase of knowledge about God - which is not the case at all. Faith doesn't come from head knowledge, it comes from experience. We say it comes from the "nous" which is like a combination of the heart and the mind's eye. It's the spiritual center of a person, the 6th sense which is like a rad detector, but responds to holiness, of which holiness is the presence of God, and God is the highest perfection of everything good, all virtue, and He is personified (not an abstract "energy" or ideal, but a real Person to be known, to be communed with, and who you can dwell with and be indwelt by)
>>538840027Why is he holding a plus sign? Math?
>>538839642>Jesus was a Greek Pythagorean named Apollonius of Tyana whom the Jews absorbed into their own mythology to stay in control of the narrative.Paul is an abbreviated form of Apollo or Apollonius. The Jews wished to take away Godhood from the gentiles when they were actually the divine rave.
>>538840027second image related to previous topic. St Gabriel of Georgia was awesome, he burned a multi story banner of Lenin during a communist parade. He knew a lot about the antichrist, the spirit of the world, the manifestation of which in his times was enforced secularism and religion of the ideology, which was obviously baseless and capable of insane cruelty, and justified it too.
>>538840054Saint Andrew was crucified on a multiplication signcheckmate
>>538839951ok, like teleology
>>538840054Its one of the signs that we are in a subspace. Closure under addition. The other holy signs are the zero vector and closure under multiplication.
>>538832085A faulty preposition like that invalidates every claim that follows.
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>>538840158I thought it was division?
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>>538840359Here's St Paisios (+1994) saying basically the same thing as St Anthony the Great (+356). The faith never changes in the original form of Christianity, unlike many forms today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wK9XgMvTfHg&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eY_il2MZjxcThese bots are better then you mid wit npcs
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>>538840177Nope and you are confusing biological "intent" with thermodynamic necessity. the traditional teleology suggest a pre determined purpose or a designer guiding a system toward a specific end goal.but thats just jews making shit up when they cant explain the mechanism.basically what Im describing is stochastic emergence via dissipative structures. so generally speaking the universe doesnt need a "reason" to create complexity, it just needs a gradient to do it.like all the matter will naturally reorganize itself into increasingly complex self sustaining structures if the universe provides enough energetic throughput to drive it far from equilibrium.like a star forming isnt following someones plan, its reacting to electric potential same as a cell dividing isnt fulfilling a destiny.its simply managing electrochemical gradients.
>>538840554ok, last one, I don't want to fill up the thread
Fyi that quote is completely made up and Socrates never said that. It doesn't even sound like Socrates it sounds like modern douchebro podcastspeak.
>>538840569ok, like becoming instead of beingare they not the same
>>538832085Sieg Heilhttps://odysee.com/@MyAwesomeChannel:069/Adolf-Hitler--You-Said-I-Was-A-Dreamer-The-Impartial-Truth-Free-:6
>>538832085The Christ is a fulfillment of the mystery religions.
>>538832085>Given that we have an eternal self that survives the death of the body and which can be verified through NDEs and practices like Astral Projectionretard bullshit thread but if you want to base morality on something other than religion you get>biologythe purpose of life is to reproduce so there is more life, ideally this is guided by evolution or eugenics which are the same thing just the latter is curated by human hubris>existentialismmake your own meaning up, probably a bad choice since most people are retarded and will choose live laugh love which is basically crowlean satanism "do as thou wilt"personally, i made up my own religion heavily influenced by Parmenides proem. everything that exists as One Whole is God. we are all cells within the body of God. you can be a useful, productive cell, you can be cancer, you can be a virus or parasite, good bacteria or bad bacteria, and an immune cell which removes the bad cells to make the Whole better. it boils down to morality is derived from making the One better and improving and expanding life, caring for nature, and creating/curating beauty.
>>538840889>the purpose of life is to reproduce so there is more life, ideally this is guided by evolution or eugenics which are the same thing just the latter is curated by human hubrisHow do animals "evolve" camouflage? How do organisms evolve to look and act like other plants and animals? How does an organisms DNA perceive the environment around it so that it evolves towards an end, so it appears or acts like another life-form?
>>538841064i believe that God does influence evolution. think of God not as a clockmaker like the deists did, and instead think of him as an engineer or computer programmer, constantly refining his creation. any argument about "if God is so powerful, why is there evil?" comes down to free will. if you accept free will, you can't hold God accountable for the actions of man. if you reject free will, then what is the point of living. if you want to go fully secular though, there is always the argument that if you kill things enough, the few that are left over will have qualities that make them die less.
>>538840682no they are not the same.what I am describing is a deterministic requirement dictated by spherical dense packing and charge equilibrium.like look at the nucleus, a helium4 nucleus isnt "becoming" anything because it has a "desire" to exist.it exists as a tetrahedron shape because that is its most stable low energy geometric configuration.lithium7 is more abundant than lithium6 because the pentagonal bi pyramid structure effectively closes a structural gap relieving electrostatic stress.you see the atoms dont "decide" to change via teleology, they just undergo beta decay or fusion because the electrostatic overcharge makes any other state physically unsustainable.so complexity that the universe keeps stacking is not some mysterious act of becoming by some made up jew god, thats retarded.what we actually see is this complexity is the inevitable result of matter seeking the most efficient geometrically dense packing possible under specific electrochemical constraints.basically once you account for the ratio of proton electron pairs and the minimal bounding sphere volume per proton the jew magic disappears.there is no God directing these particles and there is no soul, the only thing this universe does is having a relentless drive toward geometric and electrical stability.
>>538832085The truly exceptional enjoy the dirt
>>538841253if this were true then laura loomer would not exist
>>538841362true, in a deep sense, according to humility
>>538841253>there is no God directing these particles and there is no soul, the only thing this universe does is having a relentless drive toward geometric and electrical stability.Why didn't everything just stay hydrogen from the very beginning? Seem the most stable to me. Why have other elements at all? I think there are 2 systems of organization. One system is non organic, the other is organic. Biological life is antithetical to entropy and cannot be explained through modern science, that is without a "soul."
>>538841561Is this “soul” in the room with you right now?
>>538840000I heard theres a lot of free wine there
>>538841802>Is this “soul” in the room with you right now?No, it's nonlocal and not physical, much like your thoughts.
>>538841939that dude is just trolling, probably a jew based on the previous posts
>>538840000>when you die it will be nothingness for eternity!We can't experience "nothingness." That's not rational.
>>538841453Looks like a nice place to think
>>538841974They don't even understand they adopt the burden of proof when they say stupid shit like them. These threads are a waste of time because the average IQ is at best 95, and it aint the atheists keeping it above 90 from what I'm seeing
>>538832085We don't have any writings by Socrates, most of the quotes attributed to him are from Plato's dialogues, which are just made-up shower arguments with Socrates as the Chad.I don't even think that quote is from Plato, I think it's just made up.
>>538841561but its not two separate categories you are looking at, the whole thing is one single interconnected continuum of energy dissipation.for example a cell membrane is just as much a product of physical laws as a salt crystal, it just operates on a different scale of complexity and electrical flux.>Why didn't everything just stay hydrogenbecause the universe isnt a static pool like jews often claim.look around and you see the universe is a dynamic field of massive energetic gradients.in environments with intense electric currents, specifically via Zpinch effects, plasma is compressed into high density filaments (thats what you look at when you see the cosmic web pic related).under those pressures hydrogen atoms fuse to reach more complex lower energy states.basically matter is constantly reorganizing itself through electromagnetic forcing functions.>Biological life is antithetical to entropylife doesnt defy entropy tho because it is accelerating it.as I already mentioned life is a dissipative structure that consumes high quality energy to create higher local order while increasing total systemic disorder (entropy) in its surroundings.so you see life is an inevitability and not a miracle made by some jew god.tl;dr if you have enough energetic throughput and a gradient to drive it the universe will organize itself into something complex. no soul or jew god required. its pure physics.
>>538842186materialistic determinism is incredibly jewish. striving for greatness is not some byproduct of electromagnetic and thermodynamic processes.
>>538841939So made up? Just like all other religious bullshit. Kys christcuck. We’re just meat and bones.
>>538842742cool so you are advocating for existentialism?
>>538842526>striving for greatness isnt a byproduct of thermodynamicsthis is like saying the wind isnt caused by pressure differences.you are confusing the behavior with the cause.basically striving is simply the macro scale observation of biological systems actively optimizing their electrochemical gradients and neurosignaling to move toward higher states of complexity and resource acquisition.your very drive to achieve, to eat, to reproduce, and to argue with me on /pol/ is fueled by ATP production via mitochondrial electron transport chains.every ambitious thought you have is an electromagnetic event governed by deterministic laws.
>>538842803explain perception of beauty arising from purely mechanical/deterministic processes
>>538832085Our actions should be a reflection of our desire to be our best selves.
>>538843112>perception of beauty thats just your nervous system recognizing highly ordered, efficient, and stable patterns.this is a hardwired neurological reward for identifying optimal configurations.like landscapes or flowers that follow fractal patterns are perceived as beautiful because they indicate rich information density and efficient energy distribution within a system.a symmetrical face or organism is perceived as beautiful because it is a visual indicator of developmental stability and successful gene expression under environmental stress.symmetry = low error rateso when those visuals hit your retina they trigger precise electrochemical cascades in your prefrontal cortex and limbic system.that feeling of beauty is just the dopamine driven byproduct of your brain identifying a high value, low entropy pattern.beauty is basically just the aesthetic realization of physical efficiency.
>>538843306Why is there something instead of nothing? What caused abiogenesis?
>>538834281The golden rule is not dumb and if he all abided by it, would change everything.Our base animal impulses are the part of ourselves we must rise above. This is the spiritual goal of life.
>>538834680The potential to rise above our lesser selves. Being self aware as we are gives us the option to decide who will be. This opportunity is our spiritual test in the material world.
>>538838742If this sounds dumb, remember that you can’t really begin to explain what our reality even is. Our idea of normal is simply a self reinforced momentum of experience that borrows a sense of foundation within the context of our very short lives but is nothing but a convention we share. Everything we call normal is wrapped in mystery.
>>538843366Science doesn't ask "why" it asks "how"You idiots are talking past each other
>>538843306i think this could be more efficient
>>538843618It also asks “what”. Dumbass.
>>538843366>Why is there something instead of nothing?this brainlet question assumes that nothingness is a default state. It isnt.in our universe which is governed by electrodynamics there is no such thing as true nothing.even space has a measurable permittivity and permeability.so what you call something is simply organized complexity within a continuous field of energetic flux as I have already explained multiple times.the universe emerged through phase transitions of ever present energy. is this really so difficult to grasp?>What caused abiogenesis?was a necessary consequence of chemical evolution driven by high energy gradients and "life" is simply the point where the scale of complexity reached a threshold sufficient for information storage (DNA/RNA) to become thermodynamically favorable.
>>538843664[The Point]....[Your fucking mongoloid head]
>>538843642a gay masonic lodge?
>>538843718It wasn’t meant to be taken literally dumbass. Of course you can’t experience nothingness. Try to read between the lines 70 IQ. Also, what created chemicals then? Or were they always just there?
>>538843796it's a library at a monastery in austria
>>538843718Are “you” merely chemical processes, or are “you” thoughts, ideas, emotions, perceptions, impressions? Are you your height, weight, appearance, smell, or are you your memories, experiences, ideas, feelings, etc.? Our inner world shapes the outer world. The outer world is subject to, contingent upon, our inner world. Our inner world describes who we really are better than the outer world, but like the soul, our inner world cannot be proven to exist by ordinary means. In many respects, you can't really prove anyone exists outside yourself.
>>538843718Senses confine us to a limited spectrum that is subject to the inner self. We see, hear, smell, taste, and feel a tiny sliver of the processes of reality going on around us at any given moment. In our dreams, we reside within a reality that is completely within ourselves, yet are not aware of in the waking world. Do our thoughts and ideas exist somewhere dimensionless if they are mere chemical processes? We chase the consciousness that has already passed, not the actual events in themselves. We observe or experience events within the confines of our conscious mind that have already passed. We merely recollect any experience as consciousness flows continuously and we are left only with impressions from our senses. We cannot know anything for certain, as it really is.
>>538842186All supposed in compatibilities between science and god are inevitably reconciled. To assume otherwise is the height of folly.
>>538843797>what created chemicals then?they are nothing more than complex arrangements of atoms held together by electrostatic forces.a molecule isnt a "thing" that appeared out of nothing, its a transient structured state formed whenever two or more atoms encounter each other with enough kinetic/electrical potential to overcome their repulsion.>Or were they always just there?there is only the continuous cycle of formation and rearrangement dictated by charge balance, geometric packing, and the relentless drive toward thermodynamic stability.with your 70 IQ you probably cant grasp this.>>538843964>>538843964lmao you have transitioned from physics to solipsism because you have run out of ways to argue against reality.and its funny, you are trying to use philosophy to escape the implications of physics, but you cant hide.whether you call it a soul, an impression, or a dream every single thing you experience is just matter organizing itself into increasingly complex patterns to manage the massive flow of energy running through the universe.>>538844225that sounds like a very convenient way to avoid being proven wrong. calling things reconcilable later is just a polite way of staying in denial about the mechanics happening right now.
>>538839138It's comforting to know that i will very quickly be forgotten, and besides a few entries in a few databases, no evidence i existed will remain. I reject this evil world.
>>538844493>gets called 70 IQ >does the same in returnNice pilpul kike. Doesn’t work here. And everything you stated is easily understandable.
>>538844493>lmao you have transitioned from physics to solipsism because you have run out of ways to argue against reality.>and its funny, you are trying to use philosophy to escape the implications of physics, but you cant hide.>whether you call it a soul, an impression, or a dream every single thing you experience is just matter organizing itself into increasingly complex patterns to manage the massive flow of energy running through the universe.Calm down. Physics sure doesn't explain the nature of existence.
>>538844649>And everything you stated is easily understandable.apparently not to you.>>538844726calm down? why? because Im winning?also saying "physics doesn't explain the nature of existence" is such a massive brainlet cope.its only true if you think existence is some separate, magical essence hovering above the physical world like some dumbfuck jew.and if by "nature of existence" you mean why things exist or why they behave as they do then physics explains literally everything.from the structure of atoms, the formation of stars via Zpinch plasma filaments or the emergence of life through thermodynamic dissipation and even your own perception of beauty are all governed by continuous electromagnetic and gravitational processes.
>>538832085If you're human its self evident
>>538844898Apparently it is since I said it was. Btw, you using AI for all of your answers doesn’t make you appear intelligent. Not even AI knows the cause of abiogenesis. It spits out like 5-6 different theories. Nobody really knows. Cope.
>>538832085you think people actually save this image and use this as a legit quote in discussions... as if Socrates is actually thought to have said this?
>>538832085I agree with this quote even though he probably never said it
>>538844493If life is simply a mechanical process why does it include intellect at all? It isn't necessary, yet here we are. If we are mere chemical processes, why does it bother you so bad that people believe in a soul?
>>538844898Then explain how this reality came into existence.
>>538832085Do you think your eternal self is stuck at this level of existence? Or that it comes from here?
>>538844898>calm down? why? because Im winning?Lol, you're very desperate. Atheism is stupid.
>>538832085https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kbkysPTnHcSocial media has primed an environment where this type of degeneracy is not only accepted, it thrives. Social media desensitizes and radicalizes even moderates into believing heinous and abhorrent behavior is acceptable under the correct context. Spend just 5 minutes on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, you will find hordes of these deranged people. They exist among us. The FBI knows about them but never acts until it is far too late. Western society is on a one-way fast track to collapse as long as social media continues to destroy minds and decay the culture.
>>538845133Hmmm… then explain why everyone is born an atheist before being indoctrinated with the following poisons - Islam, Christianity, Judaism, and Catholicism.
>worshipped deaththere you go the final stage of satanism, worshipping death skulls and diseases
>>538844984>Nobody really knows.you dont know, I know and explained it to you.seethe more.>>538845077>why does it include intellect at all?damn nigger you are dense, intellect is the advanced software required to manage complex electrochemical interactions within a high energy environment.that ability to process information is the critical mechanism that allows a dissipative structure to capture and utilize energy more efficiently than its surroundings.again no mystery jew god to be found or needed there.>why does it bother you so bad that people believe in a soul?because its dumb.>>538845089I already did, do I really have to repeat myself a billion times?think of it like water turning into ice crystals or steam forming clouds. a cloud is a continuous complex process emerging from moisture and temperature gradients not some thing that randomly spawns in.the universe you exist in is simply a massive version of that where matter and structures are emergent patterns formed by the dissipation of immense energetic fields across cosmic scales and this goes on forever.no jew god needed to start things.>>538845133>Lol, you're very desperate. Atheism is stupid.but believing in a burning bush and a foreskin demanding jew god is not stupid?
>>538844493>lmao you have transitioned from physics to solipsism because you have run out of ways to argue against reality.Solipsism explains that everything is a mental construct. All is mind. Go take your hormones bud. You obviously have a chemical imbalance. Cope, seethe and dilate.
>>538845269>born atheistare you retarded, when you were 5 you starded wearing a fedora and questioning where humans came from?
>>538845353>completely ignores else stated Tell me you’re jewish without telling me. Also, I accept your concession.
>>538845384No retard. I never questioned it. I just lived life. It wasn’t until you fedora faggots poisoned media and life with your man made mental illnesses that religion was even created.
>>538845411***everything else stated
>>538845376reality doesnt care if you think its real or not, the physics will still be here when you finally wake up from your little philosophical daydream.>>538845411nope, you are the jew.
>>538845269>Human beings are born atheistThis is absolutely NOT TRUE. Every culture on earth has spiritualism, shamanism, and/or religion. Science itself is a form of religion.
>>538845604Your concession has already been accepted. In to the oven you go, kike.
>>538845604>reality doesnt care if you think its real or not, the physics will still be here when you finally wake up from your little philosophical daydream.That's nice. So will philosophy. Philosophy is the mother of science.
>>538845737>Philosophy is the mother of science.complete schizo bullshit.
>>538845628>very culture on earth has spiritualism, shamanism, and/or religion.all of these are mental illness tho.>Science itself is a form of religion.science isnt a religion until you abandon the scientific method, you know like empirical observation, repeatable testing and falsifiability. religion relies on dogma (things you must believe), while real science relies on evidence (things you can prove).most jew "science" practiced today is just high budget religious ritualism where jews forgotten that if an experiment doesnt match their theory the theory was wrong, not reality itself.>>538845737philosophy deals in possibilities while physics deals in certainties.you are playing with concepts and I am working with constants.so yes your philosophical daydream is lovely but please dont mistake your thoughts for the forces that allow those thoughts to exist.
>>538845353Then where did these patterns and fields come from? I never said anything about God.Picrel
>>538845846Buddy, they made up dark matter and still can't explain gravity.
>>538845917He’s a retard using AI for all his answers. Don’t bother.
>>538832085>Given a bunch of copescan we just keep it simple>what should we base morality on?easy: is it good for the jews?
>>538845353> and this goes on foreverThis is magical thinking without a scientific foundation “It just is” Does that sound very scientific to you?
>>538845977Ad hominem I accept your concession.
>>538845917>Then where did these patterns and fields come from?they didnt come from anywhere, they emerged through transitions in energy states.even at the most fundamental level with Hydrogen1 acting as our "proto matter", all the same rules apply.with the right energetic inputs you get more complex atoms.and as I already mentioned earlier once you add a PEP to a proton/electron pair you move toward the structural stability of deuterium, then helium, building up via geometric dense packing and electrostatic requirements.pattern formation is a natural consequence of matter attempting to reach its most stable geometrically efficient configuration under electromagnetic stress.>>538845968>they made up dark matter yes because they are jewish and retarded.>and still can't explain gravity.its a byproduct of electromagnetism.also jews teach people wrong, because they are retarded themselves and subscribe to the dumbfuck idea of math = reality and other bullshit.
>>538846120Concede my cock in your mothers ass faggot
>>538846171Then what caused electromagnetism? What created hydrogen? What created protons? It’s niggers all the way down. And we will still NEVER have the answer to abiogenesis and you know it, kike.
>>538845800>muh Socrates was an idiot"Philosophy is often regarded as the mother of science because early philosophers were the first to study the natural world and helped establish major fields of science. While science seeks to define reality through facts and testing, philosophy questions reality through perspectives and reasoning."
>>538846171You’re saying they just always existed without any explanation.“They just exist and always have” is a failure to explain. Science has limits and failing to understand that reduces science to faith.
>>538845846>constantsConstants are concepts dude.
>>538846263Seethe much?
>>538846336I never said he was an idiot. Science measures facts and reality. Philosophy is more what about this and what if that? Muh nihilism, muh hedonism, muh this muh that. It’s garbage. Fuck philosophy.
>>538840889>we are all cells within the body of GodThe Sanskrit word for this is vishishtadvaita. We are all a part of God, who is all things, but I am not you. One's dharma may be as a red blood cell, or a white. Perhaps a nerve cell>>538841228>if you reject free will, then what is the point of livingTo entertain the Godhead. Why else would a perfect being create anything?
>>538845846>science isn't a religionYes it is. Yes, let us make a cosmological theory of the universe based on speculative particles we cannot detect, physics we cannot observe and math that does not reflect real life. Then we will package it as the infallible word of "Science" and evangelize it through government intelligence agencies masquerading as news.
>>538846367Only with the context of their framework. Ex. Tachyons can theoretically move faster than light so long as they exist is a inertial frame of reference distinct from our Euclidean reality.
>>538846386How would you feel if you didn’t have breakfast today?
>>538845846>every culture in the history of the world is mentally ill. You are delusional. Meds now.
>>538846431Both religion and science attempt to explain the mystery of our existence. The largest difference between them is that science acknowledges the possibility of correction (when it’s done correctly)
>>538846050If you cant see the difference between magic (something happening without cause) and Physics (the mechanism of how things happen) then yes you might as well be practicing religion.>>538846315electromagnetism wasnt "caused", it isnt an object or an event it is one of the fundamental forces.>>538846360you are trapped in linear causality. you assume that for anything to exist there must be a preceding event that pushed it into existence.that is small scale thinking applied to a cosmic scale.>>538846431>physics we cannot observe everything I mentioned can be observed and tested.>>538846469your jewish god will never be real. your dick was mutilated for nothing.
>>538846404>Philosophy is more what about this and what if that? Muh nihilism, muh hedonism, muh this muh that. It’s garbage. Fuck philosophy.No its not. Philosophy is the basis of everything. Einstein, Copernicus, Galileo, and Newton were all philosophers before they were mathematicians or astronomers.
>>538846566I can That’s why I don’t accept “it’s just always been that way forever” as being science
>>538832085To inflict death on the other is to remove their ability to exercise their will on reality. Traditional western morality exists by recognize the importance of human rights, and so we must endeavor not to kill a man unless absolutely necessary (say, because he himself is depriving others of their rights, by killing them) in respect to this facet.
>>538846566>mad he still can’t explain abiogenesis Kek. I’m an atheist as well but you still fail to realize that we will never be able to explain this.
>>538846577It’s literally not. Philosophy is garbage. Nietzche and Schopenhauer can eat shit.
>>538846601your understanding of science is extremely limited.you are confusing discrete events with continuous fields.>>538846645>we will never be able to explain this.I have already explained it, learn how to read good.
>>538846745***read well. And no you didn’t. You spit out one of the theories that chat gpt gave you. If it was a fact then why does it have multiple theories?
>>538846704>It’s literally not. Philosophy is garbage. Nietzche and Schopenhauer can eat shit.You're obviously a subhuman. Read Thomas Kuhn and figure it out for yourself why what I am saying is true.
>>538846815>that chat gpt gave youI dont rely on AI to learn things.also AI would never hand you these answers anyway since it is not accepted mainstream jew science.>why does it have multiple theories?its very profitable to scam retards out of their money via fake science or fake religions.
>>538846837I’ll pass. Eat shit kike.
>>538844574I regret to admit that I am 100% on the same page as you.I am not meant for this world and neither are you.
>>538846745I can demonstrate 4d time dilation in 3d forms? Can you? I understand that science is never settled. The scientific method does not establish truths. It presents hypothesis and supports them but it’s never settled. You seem to have forgotten this
>>538846947You definitely are one massive retard.
>>538844898>because Im winning?Kek what, an internet battle?
>>538847014are you one of these morons who think that math = reality?thats fundamentally wrong, math is a derivative of reality and not the reality itself.so you arent demonstrating anything, all you do is just reciting a jew textbook definition.you are basically relying on jew hypothesis to explain away gaps in your understanding whereas I am describing the actual physical mechanism: thermodynamic dissipation via electrochemical gradients.>>538847047not my problem you cant read good.>>538847129yes
>>538832510>Life is a temporary experience that is followed by more life and experience.Oh goody.
>>538847275>science is static and not dynamic! Yeah, definitely a retarded kike
>>538847275Ad hominemFailed argument
>>538847343>science is static and not dynamic!I never made this claim kike
>>538847383>Failed argumentits true tho, only morons think that math = reality.math is a derivative of reality and not the reality itself.if you cant even figure this out, you arent smart.
>>538847385You literally did moshe. By saying you know what caused abiogenesis. Kek. Low IQ skill issue.
>>538847275LOL you must be a certified moron
>>538847385Yes you did …….. energetic fields across cosmic scales and this goes on forever.That’s dynamic framed in a static form.
>>538832085Equality is a jigsaw. All the pieces are different and they should fit together. But if you dump a massive pile of one jigsaw pieces into another completely different jigsaw then you're in league with satan and you will be eventually be rooted out and killed with a sword.
>>538847413Not when math is realized as geometry. The universe defined the platonic form-not Pythagoras.
>>538832085I think I would want to hate this guy and Plato and we would eventually realize we are just looking at the same things from our own perspectives.Socrates was great because he thought the Athenians were retarded.
>>538832085Man is a featherless chicken.
>>538847302Well not yours. You get one shot if you are an ape or a worm.
>>538847452>You literally did I didnt, learn to read good.>By saying you know what caused abiogenesisI explained the process.>>538847551thats not an argument.>>538847559>in a static form.nothing about it is static. the universe is always in motion, forever.also learn how to read good.>>538847608no, physics isnt following geometry, the geometry is what happens when physics settles down.
>>538832510>astral projection, NDEgo back to /x/ retard
>>538847698You obviously don’t know shit about about geometry. Example- you can’t explain how to demonstrate a 4D cube geometrically. You’re obviously arguing your opinion and your opinion is obviously deficient. You don’t know what I’m talking about
>>538847275Math isn't reality but the reality is you get mad unless I explain my math to you. So I have to make math as real as anything else. Math is as real as a rock, and I can use language/math to describe that rock.Once you follow that logic you realize that all things are derived from the source, which honestly isn't god just all the universal possibilities stretched out over time and space. Math might not be "real" but is explaining distance and time without it easy? No. You would sound absolutely pedantic and mental.
