Das Man is an idea that you have had in the tip of your tongue but never had the proper means of discussing on a deeper level./pol/ must once again force itself to evolve by addressing the problem of Das Man directly.
>>538839339Yous referring to Heidegger? Never read him.
sounds hard
>>538839512Yeah the terminology comes from Heidegger, but the concepts he was expressing were related to many empires, and his work was contextualizing these concepts into a modern framework. Our job is to make again this knowledge available to the world, through the context of the horrors of the modern world.
>>538839792i only have his 'Schelling's treatise on the essence of human freedom'. is it in that?
>>538839792Enframing sounds interesting and its implication for a consumption economy turning in on its own people
>>538840024although I might not agree with his definition of technology
>>538840094His idea of technology is largely that what you are using extends the human body. It’s actually a concept used in programming as well.
>>538839339Your mom puts the anal in banal distraction
>>538839856No the concept of ‘das Man’ is from ‘Being and Time’https://www.thecollector.com/heidegger-being-time-dasein-temporality/
>>538840330His ultimate critique of the source of nihilism and it's relationship to technology is obviously wrong but you can't be perfect
>>538840024All you need to do to verify enframing is real is the term "human resources". Compare WW1 plane duels with WW2 carpet bombings or today's "game theory" wargaming and now dronings. The battlefield lost humanity and honor first, then the rest of society followed. The post-war peace tried to reject the horrors, but it did so by rejecting most violence and nationalism. In truth violence wasn't the problem, or the nationalism or even technology itself. It was all enframing. Thinking of humans as "things", like "biological organisms" which are consumable and can be stockpiled because "science says so" as opposed to beings made in the image of god. Nothing is holy, everything is a tool. A tool for whom? This is why the Jews are also so effective. Their ideology allows enframing for the goyim while they remain "god's chosen". That's all it takes to fix all issues. Wholesale rejection of materialism and scientism. Humans are holy and their souls inviolable. The spirits and minds of any one people are not equal to any other and cannot be mixed without destroying both to make an unknown, lesser third. Beauty and human spirit must make scientific reality a separate lesser realm, and mixing the two should be obscene and a new taboo. People preaching materialist doctrines ought to be ostracized to their misery, quickly learning the collective pro social nature of humanity is where survival lies, even if it might be delusional.
>>538840449It is usually the translation which is wrong and not the original german.
>>538839668Maybe if you can’t read?
The only good burger
>>538840968But you have to go beyond this and have access to the divine as part of harmony with nature as well. It’s the inherent techno-Abrahamic rejection of nature as part of God that has helped us here as well.
>>538840024Forcault is a bit more modern and explores the implications that a city and a prison are largely the same thing. States love imprisonment and bondage. The first urge of a bonded individual is to force similar and more degrading treatment on a weaker peer.
>>538841782There is no god.Once you remove that factor you realize it was always within you.
>>538840024https://ebrary.net/205370/sociology/_das_man_inauthenticityIt’s a way of capturing how the “invisible ‘They’” is used to present ideas that are against the actual interests of the authentic way of being.
>>538842128Hard disagree: nature itself is an expression of God and our minds are limited (by design) to have a particular experience of nature. Technology and the push from those in control of technology and systems meant to enslave man espouse the concept that “it’s what everyone wants…”, which is specifically what I am talking about with this thread, in part. Even your concept of “god” is entirely driven by what das Man/the They describe things as for you, to reduce you into a consumer/the herd.
>>538842200I get your point, but we are well past this point in my personal opinion and we understand the rhetoric is being used to create splits.That being said, if you don't have a confident grasp of who "(((they))" are then yes its absolutely insane to ramble on about (((the bankers))) (((the politicians))) and (((alphabet soup))).
>>538842303You are a consumer.Stop breathing in the air. You are stealing my oxygen you stupid fuck. Hold your breath for 5 mins.You can't. You don't even know my concept of "God" you have just made an assumption based on your own assumptions.You are a consumer. You eat things, you drink things. You are no God. You can't live on the fullness of the Spirit. The Holy Ghost makes you no bread, no grain.Stop pretending. Accessories are just that, accessible. Just stop buying what you don't need.
>>538842563>conflating the concept of someone breathing and drinking water vs. someone buying a product You missed the mark with your reply. But at the same time, you demonstrate the profound degree to which ‘das Man’ has affected the world and common thinking.
>>538841017Oh maybe it's oddly specific. Like the problem is the consumption of technology is the original purpose of it. He says the nihilism comes from the commodification of the person themselves or something, but that would be impossible so he fundamentally disagrees with me or something. But that's how it goes
>>538842721It’s largely related to Nietzsche and his criticism of nihilism is also often directly mistranslated. One would think it was on purpose. Anyway, the criticism from Heidegger is that what eventually happens is that at a certain point, technology begins to replace the “force of Creation” within oneself, and this leads to nihilism. You can consider how technology reduces the overall experiences we have, which makes life easier, but also at the same time reduces our connection to nature and man’s inherent ideas of what events are and what life is.
>>538842669Yeah you see I am not in agreement because I actually understand the world not in theoretical thinking but actual reality and how things actually express themselves rather than an idealized platonic relationship.You have no argument. You aren't being convincing. You are clutching your pearls and prayer beads and lamenting you need to pay to access someones property or shared public property.I am not doing marksman ship I am tossing frag grenades into your bunker while you act like you have the high ground.
>>538842954Ok chatGPT calm down
>>538842915Technology comes out of that force of creation. Are you daft? The entirety of everything you own and enjoy was created by better men and you want to lecture me about how "Technology makes us sad sometimes :("
>>538842976See? Brainless. You are actually a midwit and you found something you think confirmed your world view. You don't want to actually have a debate you want to appeal to God.Fuck off back to Redshit or Church with you. You not once have leveled anything that I don't already know or understand better than you.
>>538843012>actually this guy watching shitty jewish TV and ordering doordash food is a good thing!Your perspective has no value because it leads to destruction of the authentic self.
>>538843090Uh you want to conflate concepts together and then say very faggy things like “tossing frag grenades”, you goyslop-slurping fool. You can’t make a valid point because you inherently ARE the das Man.
>>538842915His main problem is he's stuck in the industrial age, his philosophy is dripping with mechanism. His conception of primitive technology is essentially guild work. Which would have been more relevant for his time. I just think he didn't go far enough back to define technology, but this is just me looking at one of his theories and not his entire narrative which sounds entirely different to what I expected. Technology ruining our perception of nature? I don't know
>>538843138Umm no I am my most authentic self. You're just a bitch that hasn't read Max Stiener and is trying to dress up something with all the same tools you yourself abore while I simply adapt.You remind me of my parents. Any opposition the perceived as a personal attack that they extrapolate to wide spread social decay.You are like my blessed grandfather afraid of niggers while I walk through the hood and all is good because I am not a weak insecure man that has trouble understanding or implementing himself.People like you though love to confuse and gate keep while you give others that intuitively can cut to the chase before you even think to look to leap.
>>538843201Yes. I am the Man. I am a man. Bitch, I am universally attractive and magnanimous. You brought up marksmanship so i am tell you this is more of an elephant walk.You got nothing. You know it. You are grasping at something I find to be trival. Fucking Evola is better philosophical garbage.
>>538843012I didn't realize people were so interested in technology philosophically, oh wait it's a religious thing isn't it. Jokes aside he has some decent framework obviously but his implementation is to be determined
>>538843428>>538843547>thinks of himself in relation to the ideas of othersYou can’t say what you are.
>>538843833You are only what you ate in relationships to others. What you just spawned from nothing and created the universe?
>>538843833Like I am just trying to understand something so foundational as like, the ground.
>>538844750Sorry don't mean to undermine your ivory tower, just trying to figure out what its standing on, you know like its stance or its like, architecture.Or would you rather I speak to you in gibberish?
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>>538844708I despise the very concept of boltmann brains.
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