>Be me>Do research on "off-grid living">Look up county building codes even in bumfuck areas>Vast majority of these channels are lying about the cost >Still will end up costing like $80K to put a shed on the property >$80K WITHOUT a loan, you need it in CASH>Median savings of US 30 year old is $5000 lol
>>538869293or you could just not pay shit
>>538869293Yup. That's why I play to retire into a tent deep in the forest since the system just sucks you dry no matter where you try to live.
>>538869293...what, you thought off-grid was anything except a larp for rich professionals?If you aren't of means you need to start working at 14 and save every cent. Leech off your parents until you're 37 ahd you might have a chance if you've constantly reinvested and hustled and grifted for 23 years.Learn how to use the darknet and get a pill press.If you aren't retarded you should be able to make enough in about a year and a half pressing pills.Reinvest your money into a Shopify or Etsy store.Good luck.
>>538869916They'll throw you out for squatting or trespassing
>>538869916*plan to retire
>>538869986Then I'd just set up somewhere else. :3
>>538869293It's get better in Russia.Off grid (outside official settlements borders) housing is simply illegal.
>>538870043I kind of wish to do that, but it still is near impossible. You have to have the capital to maintain yourself because you aren't getting a job.I read about from some Boomer post on Quora one time that he knew a guy that lived in a tent in the desert and drove to town in a motorcycle. I'm sure even in the desert it's not allowed.
>>538869293Just put it on wheels and they can't say shit. If you're smart, you divide your land in half then move your house from one to the other whenever they assess it so you don't have to pay property taxes. Some guy told me if I built my shed on skids it wouldn't count either but idk if that's true. As long as you can move it, you can't be assessed on it.
>>538869293housing is one of their most profitable scams. after you're done paying anywhere from 40-50% in taxes, they will yet again take another 50% of what's left for rent.three quarters of the surplus wealth you produced, instantly gone.they won't allow any loopholes for you to escape that system, lol
>>538869986You can go right back afterwards. Busting homeless encampments is a show for the dumb liberal boomers that turned everything into AirBNBs and wonder where all the homeless came from. They do that once a year and forget about it until the yuppie boomers cry about looking at the homeless they created in springtime.
>>538869293i read a story of a man who, in the 1980s, drove his car as far as he could into the woods until it ran out of gas and he just stayed there. he managed to scrape by due to stealing food from nearby homes. he was eventually caught in the 2000s (thanks to things like trail cams becoming more common) and was put in prison for 7 months and was forced back into society.you must understand that land ownership is the key resource of Capitalism. they force us all into paying a rent/mortgage because land is hoarded by the wealthy. if you refuse to do this, you are made homeless and denied many things (since you require a "home address" to do anything - get a job, driver's license, bank account, etc.)
>>538869293In the UK you can't even put a caravan on your land for more than 28 days per year without planning consent lol.They don't allow tiny homes, because planning requires a minimum square footage, plumbing, electricity, etc.
>>538870531And they won't throw you in prison?>you are made homeless and denied many things (since you require a "home address" to do anything - get a job, driver's license, bank account, etc.)Yeah, this is the problem too. You need a home address for everything
>>538869293i live in a place with no codes and you can pick up 5 acres for $15k. recently the power company made a rule that they are charging $5k to hook up to the grid for homes under 800sqft. homes larger than that are $500. solar is a meme, everyone i know with it doesnt really like it because they didnt spent enough on it. fuck buying a pre built shed, order the shed kit for $6k. a well will be $20k though, you could have a pond put in for $2k and do water catchment but everyone i know who does that lacks enough water. i built my place in 2020 for $60k so its completely doable. i know lots of people who live in sheds though. for just a shed and land would be more like $25k. if you have any questions just ask
>>538869916>>538869986In most places in the western US you can camp 14 days at a time in one place on forest service or blm land. Then you have to move camp, but you can come back 1 day later and stay another 14 days.
>>538869962I think like all things rich people can live comfortably no matter whatLike camping vs glamping.Living off grid is still possible but youre going to have to sacrifice on somethings and you will definitly suffer more.
>>538870706>minimum square footageSome counties are like that in the US. There's always this one county in Colorado called Conejos County, in the San Luis Valley, and they essentially made it illegal for you to have a tiny home because the minimum square footage is too high.
>>538869760this. just do what you want and shoot anyone that comes to fine you
>>538870279There was this story from last week:https://abcnews.com/US/man-found-living-national-forest-surrounded-1000-pounds/story?id=134548707On the one hand, I understand the desire of someone to detach themselves from the oversight of our gay ass government at all levels. I get it, I really do. On the other hand as a property owner I have disdain for people who have an attitude that pretty much any land belongs to anybody and they can go where they want and do what they want, so when I hear a story about the government assfucking them I'm less sympathetic. Then again, the same government would become a stumbling block if one of these squatters trapsed across my land espousing his "this belongs to me and I'll live where I please" attitude, because if I decided to simply cave his skull in with the butt of my rifle suddenly I'M the bad guy. Ridiculous.
>>538870825I knew about that but>No address, no job
>>538869986Then I will have a church raise funds to purchase a forest to maintain. And they can throw all their failed children that they abandon into the Forrest where the men and women live segregated lives potentially. Or maybe just no woman allowed, this is a wealth seeking/preserving thing that women would likely fuck up somehow again.
>>538870060But is it actually enforced?I doubt people are going to get you in the middle is Siberia
>>538870706They don't allow this because they know it will allow them not to collect tax money to pay off the Jews they borrow from.
>>538869962>if you can't generate $1000000 from nothing you're retardedwhy do people larp like this exactly
>>538871001If you think you are a God among men that deserves to own pieces of this Earth totally uncontested you are delusional. Prepare to be humbled by the unstoppable man just passing through.
>you can't do it because it's not allowed!Cucks
>>538869962i saved up $60k in 5 years working in the oilfield. life is all about choices and you chose wrong
>>538870801What county? How is the soil for septics?
>>538870737Most states are broke niggers that don't hold criminals in prison if they don't have to. They call it reform, efficiency, etc. Some states will tell you they turn niggers loose because it's racist to hold them accountable. In reality these states and counties know housing inmates costs money and they need raises approved for politicians on time. They turn criminals loose to save money, any other story you're being told is bullshit.Homeless people aren't worth stuffing into jails, doing so would have them at full capacity and then some.Also going to prison solves all of your problems with homelessness. If you work and pay taxes you don't get anything from the government. As an inmate you get food, utilities, housing, and full access to healthcare and dentistry. This is half the reason they don't keep criminals locked up, it's quite expensive and they still have to pay the fat fuck CO sleeping in the watch tower.>but your freedomAh yes lets pretend sitting in a cubicle for 90% of our adult lives is any different than a prison sentence with a commute. Prison would be an improvement for someone homeless and living in the woods, as awful as that sounds.
>>538871796>soil for septics?alot of people do a septic tank that flows into a pond because of perc test problems. as far as i know thats legal because thats what evem $500k houses do
>>538871796all the counties around aavrolls white power compound are like that
It's like $10k to get a cabin and hundreds of acres of land here if you're willing to live ruralWhy can't Americans own land?
>>538870060Same here in Goymoney.Almost everything is illegal unless explicity allowed and of course strictly regulated.
>>538871578What could be more accurately pointed out as delusion/god complex?>this is my property where my family and I live and you can't come on here or I'll blow your fucking head off>I can go anywhere that I want! Nobody can control me! Everything everywhere is my domain, and belongs to me! I own everything and if someone tries to tell me I can't do something I don't ever have to listen because I'm the greatest and nobody can tell me what to do! I can wander onto "your" land, I can shit in "your" yard, I can steal "your" food, I can break "your" shit, because it all belongs to me if I want it to!
>>538872087well considering private property doesn't exist, both
>>538872039>Why can't Americans own land?we can, there are lots of places like that here. all the retards itt want to move to a nice trendy place to live and shit it up with a shed and there mad they cant.
>>538869293>want to live off the grid>wtf why am I experiencing problems?
Lmao you are poorfags.
>>538872080I dont want niggers (black or white) setting up shanty towns in public parks and other peoples front gardens. Its not some faceless bureaucracy that wants laws enforced. Its the majority of the people in your country. You are an undesirable kept in check by the threat of police action.
>>538871059You will not get any state benefits in teh middle of Siberia but get no mistake Basqaqs will get you everywhere.This is how mongol empire works.
>>538872087You're playing a board game I play reality. Watch me trample right over it.
>>538872317>I dont want niggers (black or white) setting up shanty towns in public parks and other peoples front gardens.Dunno about Germany but its not about public land. Its about your own plot of land in Russia. All land had designation use and land designed for house building only inside settlements (towns, villages etc). So outside that you cant build house (officially) on your own plot of land you bought in the middle of nowhere.
>>538872512You cant build it or the state wont connect utilities? Also, why would you buy land your cant build on?
>>538872512You can't own land in Russia.
>>538869293That's why you start with a trailer and slowly add what you really want when no one is looking. I literally used to own a cabin where I just had a hose and a pump in the lake for water supply.
>>538871850>Most states are broke niggers that don't hold criminals in prison if they don't have to. They call it reform, efficiency, etc. Some states will tell you they turn niggers loose because it's racist to hold them accountable. In reality these states and counties know housing inmates costs money and they need raises approved for politicians on time.Your explanation makes kind of sense. Didn't think of it that way
>>538872579This is why you dig a well and install septic.
>>538869916>I'm a faggot named bearNamefags should be banned
>i want to live off grid so the government doesnt fuck with me>hello mr government can i please have a permit
>>538872402I live in a state where fortunately if I shoot a trespasser they're not going to prosecute me, all communists should tread with care.
>>538871000BasedRemember, you can't fight City Hall but you can blow it the fuck up
>>538872778hes right but there are a bunch of activists doing actual reform where it isnt economically incentivized too.but also a lot of crimes plea down massively because DA's are understaffed and overworked. its easier for them and the books if they just offer up a crazy lenient plea. for example a guy around here murdered a guy in a bar fight and got a plea deal for 10 years. he started teh fight, lost, ccame back with a gun and shot the guy dead. under no condition was it ever manslaughter, but the lazy ass DA gave him the worlds sweetest plea. thats just one example of a daily thing in american court system.
>>538871793>i saved up $60k in 5 years working in the oilfield.That's pretty horrible
>>538873036Then kill them all. If 100 people walk through your property shoot them all in the head big man.
Can a man not just buy a piece of land and live on it without paying the fucking government for permission every single year? Property taxes are absurd.
>>538873374my property taxes are $0 after my homestead credit. before that they were $51/yr
>>538872180I love how retarded commie block apartment dwelling nigger faggots can just say shit like this so confidently when it is patently false. Get ready for you free helicopter ride
>>538871793dont they provide housing and meals? how the fuck is that all you have?
>>538873489Well in my state I have to be 65 or pretend to be disabled/blind to get that.
>>538872579>You cant build it or the state wont connect utilities?You cant build structure that is officially designated as residence for people to live. That is big problem for farmers. If you plot of land don't have land part that is located inside settlement they cant officially build house there. They designate it as barns if its agriculture land, that's illegal and it big way to be abused by local authorities.
>>538869916When I retired I thought about doing this to save money, every day you spend in the woods was going to save me like 70$ in rent and utilities just for fucking around. It's just boring.
>>538869293>>Still will end up costing like $80KNo, and you're doing it wrong building a structure on the land, unless you want to give jews more shekels in property tax. The right way is to build an RV but with good construction, not the shit RV way, it stays designated a vehicle, no structure property tax, leaving ptax only the pittance you pay for the land itself. Winning.
>>538871793Bro... You got cheated.
>>538869986Just search land deeds, find a nice plot of land that's undeveloped and the owner lives 8 states away. Chances are they inherited the land and never go there, but the taxes are so cheap they just keep it, because it's cool to say you own 100 acres of land in bumfuck nowhere or whatever.
>>538872317How come gyppos can get away with it - really makes you think.
>>538873544Very very easy to bait low IQ niggers like you
>>538871793>i saved up $60k in 5 years working in the oilfieldAren't your housing and meals supposed to be covered? WTF did you blow it on? Coke and whores?
>>538870801They charge more because they know you won't buy as much power, hooking you up is an investment
>>538874167Sounds like you need a large community of shit heads to form a traveling community with. Then you can squat where you please.
>>538874337i had to pay my own rent and i had a gf for 3 of those years and didnt save anything while i had her around my neck. i also like playing blackjack i saved WAY more than most of the people i know
>>538874484yes and they also said that the tiny homes get abandoned after about 2 years. i have seen lots and lots of money wasted by people who wanted to live offgrid like their favorite youtuber only to find out its hard
>>538871850I don't think prison would be that horrible.If I go I want to go to solitary confinement I thinkI assume it has to be super quiet and there isn't anything to do but meditate so I would be forced to
>>538872087"I am silly"
>>538871850>90%8 hours out of 24 and only about half of the days in a year when weekends annual leave and holidays are taken into account.
>>538869986Do you know how difficult it is to track a moving person deep into the wild? It’s an unreasonable fear
>>538874650>gfYup, stripper girlfriends will do that. Saw that in Iraq/Afghan.>blackjackreason #2>saved more than othersI mean yeah, the country ain't sending its best to the oil fields
>>538874484It's idiot / hobby tax. 800sqft is nothing. I could get a new doublewide bigger than that delivered right now for 70k. Tiny homes are cope for failed roasties who don't want to say they live in a trailer or toys for idiot trust fund kids who think they're too cool for Airstream.>>538874759>tiny homes get abandoned after about 2 yearsyeah that sounds about right
>>538874650So you're a retard, just like me, got it
>>538875110>I mean yeah, the country ain't sending its best to the oil fieldsExcept it does. Only the best of the best can get oil field jobs honestly (because they pay so much more).>>538875015We don't have any legally mandated vacation time.
>>538872190>>538872039It’s also that a lot of americans are actually mentally handicapped and believe that the police will come get them for their shed in the woods.
>>538869916Bear, I like you, so I will tell you a story. Long ago I was smuggling a car from Kenya to Uganda. I picked up an old Frenchman hitchhiking. He told me how he travelled the world without a passport. I don't want to tell all the nasty people in this thread how, but perhaps I have given you a clue as to how to find out
>>538872317Yet you let gypsies and niggers do exactly that.>the heckin majority!You’re a tiny, filthy sodomite freakshow nation on the verge of total erasure. Sit down.
>>538875351In the YouKay you can be guaranteed that some busy body boomer will find you within the month, even if you're in the Scottish highlands or something.I imagine it's easier to do in the US of A given it's size.
>>538875218>It's idiot / hobby tax. 800sqft is nothing. I could get a new doublewide bigger than that delivered right now for 70k. Tiny homes are cope for failed roasties who don't want to say they live in a trailer or toys for idiot trust fund kids who think they're too cool for Airstream.Yeah, tiny homes are significantly more per square foot than a trailer or mobile home
>>538869293>Look up county building codesThis is how jews keep property values artificially high.
>>538873244>>538872402When happens when the fun stuff in the ground starts to tickle your peoples feet? The badgoy stuff? Can you psychologically continue living after seeing that level of carnage close up? Many vets cannot.
>>538869293>Median savings of US 30 year old is $5000 lolthe median US 30yo isn't white
>>538875487I don't think there's much border protection in Africa ...
>>538872317> slums in public parks and other peoples front gardensWell, that's a whole different story than putting a garage or even just a fucking carport on your own property.
>>538875564Busybody boomers absolutely will do that to you here too so you have to keep watch for them and make sure they, you know, “experienced too much stress for their age” during their hike. The main difference Great Shitain and kikemerica is that we have the tools to um, cause severe stress to hikers.
>>538869916Do what you can to stay fit.I'd be innawoods right now but my knees can't handle carrying even a 20 pound backpack for more than a couple miles on flat ground now.Honestly, your best bet is to download as many foraging, hunting, survival, and homesteading vids as you can now and make the leap to innawoods ASAP. The economy isn't going to get any better.Also, the coast of Humboldt and del Norte counties, anywhere north of Trinidad or Orick is great for innawoods stealth camping. Just stay away from the towns/cities because meth.
>>538871014Use a PO box or registered agent/virtual office
>>538871014>>538875820You could also rent a room from someone for a couple months and just keep using that after you move out. Then forward to ms/agent.
>>538869293This is not a good site to get accurate pricing on construction anon considering the majority of posters haven't even touched grass, let alone swung a hammer.
>>538875894But if you are going to be renting a room, that sort of defeats the purpose of going in the woods to save money
>>538871793> i saved up $60k in 5 years working in the oilfield.You should have saved $60k in every year, $300k in total.
>>538875351they will, this is why you need to dig a hobbit hole.either that or a limestone cave, or find a sinkhole that hasn’t sunk yet (shore it up with a few poles to be safe)if you’re in the USA you might have problems with the flesh-eating Bigfoots.This isn’t common knowledge, but bigfoots are weak against .50 caliber machine gun fire.
>>538870801why is solar a meme?you can get like 12 panels and 10000w battery capacity for 5000€famously you guys can afford ACwhy cant you afford energy independence?
>>538871127If you didn’t make at least mid 6 figures on crypto from 2015-2023 I don’t know what to tell you bud. It wasn’t hard to 50x an investment
>>538876058i made $140k/yr and paid 39% in taxes.
>>538876058Guarantee he had a huge new truck that cost $800/mo or more
>>538869986meh. They have to find you first, and the zog agencies that would hassle an innawoods camper are short staffed.Just keep low profile, stay away from the homeless druggies, and move your camp regularly, and the odds are very much in your favor.>t. lived innawoods a couple times along coast northern CA until knees crapped out . Would be innawoods right now if not for knees .
>>538876005Going innawoods doesn't actually save money.
>>538876123>5000€alot of people spend $1000 on the cheapest shit off amazon and it shits out in 3 yrs and they run a generator to supplement. the only people who like their solar spend at least $10k.
>>538876272>KneesWhat about a truck or a boat?
>>538875613It might be different if you’re a soldier taking orders vs being a crazy serial killer like some of the people in this thread (are pretending to be)It probably doesn’t traumatize you as much if you do it for fun.
>>538875314>best of the bestEvery oil worker I've ever seen has been a beaner or a junkie meth addict. Your whole industry is one giant larp.
>>538876123Costs are vastly different in different areas because there are so many games with subsidies and cost gaslighting in solar. Especially when you're talking about different countries. Solar you could actually live off of for 10-20 years costs about $20k in most parts of the US. That's a huge amount to front when you're having a hard time scraping together 100k or whatever for the dwelling itself.
>>538869293there is only one way off the (((government))) plantation and thats in a bodybag after having been fatally shot by feds for defending your freedom. as long as you live you are a resource to be extracted
>>538870531Don't fucking try to innawoods around homeless people, ESPECIALLY now. Too much meth and fent. Homeless camps are a magnet for problems and cops.There's great places along/near the coast in the PNW to disappear with relatively little bush craft knowledge, especially between coos Bay, OR and Orick, CA.North of Aberdeen, WA, also, but the mosquitoes are way worse and the winters have more days under 50 degrees.
>>538873119This is why societies used to just execute serious criminals the next morning; they knew they couldn't hold every violent criminal piece of shit, and one of the many things that has been dragging the US down into the pit of hell is our refusal as a justice system and a society to simply kill people who actively destroy everything they touch(and are even proud of it most of the time)
>>538871001>I have disdain for people who have an attitude that pretty much any land belongs to anybody and they can go where they want and do what they want>flagthe irony
>>538876662I knew a girl from Coos Bay, OR. Looked magical as fuck
>>538876580This Croat gets it.
>>538871001it's called anarcho-tyranny the government is simply a shake down and enforcement operation for the ultra wealthy
>>538869962dumbest fucking post I've read all day, worst part is you're probably serious
>>538871127For many of the paid posters in threads like these, the one and only goal is to convince you that the system has nothing at all to do with your problems, it's all user error. That rationalizes not changing said system.
>>538869293It costs like $10k to build a well fitted school bus for living in
>>538869293https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6qb-JeCjCsJust build your own house nigger
>>538877090You'll end up spending 30% the cost in tools, but the next one you stand up will be much cheaper.
>>538869293>>Median savings of US 30 year old is $5000 lolHoly fuck that's pathetic I keep $10k in my fucking checking account bare minimum
>>538875314>We don't have any legally mandated vacation time.Sucks to suck.
>>538875514You are a rapidly growing minority that will eventually become the majority in the US and serve the jews. Sit down.
>>538876421Vehicles require resources to maintain and roads to drive on. If you're on a road anywhere it's easier for cops to hassle you or get your vehicle towed.There's lots of places to moor/anchor a boat for free in Florida. Puget Sound has some places one can do that, also, but not as many. I'm not familiar with other places in the US but the Louisiana bayou probably has places to hide away. Though mosquitoes are bad.However, you still have maintenance and upkeep costs, and, sooner or later, Coast guard or sheriff is going to come check you out.The best way to get away from this kiked system is to disappear innawoods with what you can carry to survive year round. For me, that's just too much for my knees.Though, the faker and gayer this society gets, the more appealing it's becoming to go back to the PNW, hike somewhere untill I physically can't hike anymore, then just quietly starve to death.
>>538877090>off grid>its uninhabitable without aircon going full blast in every room for the entire summer including nights.
>>538871793
>>538877045>Point out a societal problem, be told it's a you problem You might get a Saturday detention for breaking the rules, but you will get a mark on your permanent record for challenging the principal. The system isn't going to change for the better. There are loopholes to escape, but they don't scale and they come with a price
>>538876913Most of the Oregon Coast is amazing. As a town, coos Bay kinda sucks, but the coast south to Bandon is pretty cool.Lotsa places to innawoods depending on your skill set.
>>538877696>this paddy nigger doesn't know about insulation
>>538869916you would die very quickly.
>>538869293Off grid was always a grift/meme by retired investment bankers and even most of them failed at it with off camera Mexicans doing everything for them.
>>538869916>>538869986the US is so fucking huge you can just go into bumfuck nowhere and probably not see a single person for months/years until a ranger/hiker/camper randomly passes by and by that time you just move on or lie that you havent been there long
Alternative ways of having a roof over your head is hurting landlords bottom line. They will not sit idly by while you find ways to avoid rent. Remember Gabby Petito? Her gruesome death was a loud and clear message by the landlords association.
>>538878089In states like Alaska or Montana maybe. The east half of the US is getting pretty densely populated.
>>538877614I agree that living out of a pack is the best. Hitchhiking was the best way to travel, but we get old. Truck works for me, but I am thinking of a boat. Our coastline is very inhospitable but your intercoastal is a gift from God. As long as one keeps moving people seldom care
>>538869916Holy FUCK are you ever retarded
>>538878089the forest service flys around checking for animals and other things like a hobo out in the woods. they probably can use satellites and ai too.
>>538878153Is that where all those stories about people being lost are from? Just seeing videos of those areas where they have fire lookouts makes me think it's pretty easy to hide in the deep wilds.
>>538871578LOL. Yeah you're getting shot.
Sadly, the only way to beat the rigged game now is to massively upgrade your income. You need to make so much cash that you can buy into a house with little to no mortgage. That’s the only way. Not that you should do that anyway because you’re buying at the top of a bubble and your house won’t appreciate enough to make you good on whatever payments you have to make.
>>538877614>There's lots of places to moor/anchor a boat for free in Floridaless and less as time goes on, the municpalities are replacing anchor fields with paid mooring balls. And the free ones are packed, it's like condo living on the water except your neighbor can fail to secure their condo and crash it into yours. >Though, the faker and gayer this society gets, the more appealing it's becoming to go back to the PNW, hike somewhere untill I physically can't hike anymore, then just quietly starve to death.for me it's sailing the wide blue oceans until a storm or errant shipping container filled with plastic bullshit from China takes me down
>>538878321A lot of people get fucked up in some hellzone in the northeast thinking it’s gonna be easy but yeah there’s plenty of room to get lost out here and plenty of people who do it. Living long term out in the woods is possible but you’ll get picked up eventually when the right person sees your fire or when you clear/build too much around your base.
>>538878183If you've got the resources, a boat is pretty good.I lived in the FL keys for awhile, and there's places you can moor indefinitely without being seen from someone's beach house or condo. As long as you're being chill, Coast guard will leave you alone. There's even a boat that visits moored boats to pump out holding tanks for free to help keep people from dumping their holding tanks wherever they're moored.Where are you? I'm phonefagging and country won't show on flag.
>>538878494>you’re buying at the top of a bubbleThat won't come for another 10 years at least. This is just a retrace.
>>538869293You'd think going off grid would be easier with the entire knowledge of mankind in a phone and modern technology but then all these gay laws, taxes, bureaucracy and other bullshit shackles you. Yeah it will never be wholesome stardew valley but something our ancestors did for thousands of years is now gatekept for the rich, wtf.
>>538878589Boats are dirt cheap now. Never been a better time to buy. If only there was a way to anchor out at sea or autopilot in circles. We lost our fear of death, so we got that going for us; which is nice
>>538878321The west US.If you are seeing fire lookouts that's for sure the western half of the US. Everything is dry and flammable out west.
>>538878721I'm in a small African kingdom. There's lots of unfenced land which is nice. My only way out of Africa is by boat
>>538878721I wouldn't go to the us; I mentioned it out of interest and for other anons. I'm familiar with a lot of your geography from traveling their in better times
>>538869962Schizo thread.
>>538877925Your tin shack is definitely going to be insulated enough to not need aircon.
>>538871127Because this board is kids without fathers larping as what they think adults talk like.
>>538877463See >>538875700Also these figures usually come from ridiculous sources like savings account balances.
>>538878877>if you are seeing fire lookouts that's for sure the western half of the USthere are old fire towers in the east too, I used to sleep in them when bushwhacking the appalachains. They are decrepit and could have fallen down but I was young and brave. >>538878863>If only there was a way to anchor out at sea or autopilot in circlesyou can live on a boat pretty cheap by staying on passage most of the time and avoiding florida / caribbean paid hotspots. Bahamas charges a $500+ cruising license now I believe. If you're willing to sail north like upper new england, lower alaska (maybe. I don't know much about the west coast), greenland, Ireland, Scotland you can avoid a lot of the high payment marinas. Or maybe the less desirable parts of the med like north africa and turkey.
>>538879196How's the cost of living in your country? Are you rich for it?
>>538878183You jabronies have a coastline? News to me. Also>Google Swaziland>Underage tittiesEverytime. Even with safe search on.
>>538879214Insulation in the US has gotten pretty good in the last 20 years. Rising costs to heat and cool homes here have contributed to that trend. Before that we didn't really give a fuck because energy used to be so cheap, but those days are long gone. All the old tropes you grew up hearing your parents whine about the US are like 30-40 years out of date.
>>538879511One year I did go an entire year without heating or cooling. Just to see what it was like.I dont believe its possible in most of the US. You have much larger temperature swings.
>>538879386>Are you richNo. My expenses are food and gas. I travelled the US long ago. The crusties taught me how to dumpster. Never ate so well. Some of them were seasonal forest service and taught me skillz>>538879433I can access the coast of southern Africa. If I could work out how to sail up the east we could hang out. Nobody does it in that direction except niggers in does, but they did it in days of old and it should be easier today with weather forecasts
>>538879605Really depends where you are in the US. It's a big country. But yeah, our climate is pretty extreme in some areas.
If you want to live off grid why not move to the turd world?
>>538880179I think the point of living off grid is to get away from brown people retard.
>>538869293The powers that be have a new system that has been in the development for decades now, ready to be rolled out in the coming years. It will operate in parallel starting sometime this year and by the next decade it will be fully operational as the Agenda 2030 goals are slowly being implemented.There will be no collapse, no violence, no uprising, no world war, no draft, no revolution, no killing of jews or politicians or other such fantasies. Instead there will be law & order, compliance and total surveillance until the very end. AI will be at the center of it all. The Great Reset is inevitable.
>>538869293Use your brain... move away from the American shithole...The US is hell if you are not high-income.
>>538874005>Chances are they inherited the land and never go there, but the taxes are so cheap they just keep it, because it's cool to say you own 100 acres of land in bumfuck nowhere or whatever.That's me lol, 90 acres in Tennessee
>>538869293Yep. Dunning Kruger'd again.
>>538879605>I dont believe its possible in most of the USyou are correct, basically the only place is coastal extreme southern california, maybe the san francisco bay area and parts of hawaii
>>538880404Si, yo si tengo un plan de irme de los Estados Unidos, pero solo digo sobre cómo los YTbers son mentirosos. Hay que ser rico para vivir en el bosque ahora
If you live in a comfy shed on your own property, there is no incentive to produce value for shareholders. Where will Karen get money for Tyrone and Jamal's children? Who will support Israel?
>>538870495This. Is also funny how laws are so different in every country, but it seems like making living in your own land as hard as possible is something in common in every jewish economic zone
Consider that if you move to the middle of nowhere you will eventually get old and sick and can't afford to move back and your shithole red state wont help you either.
>>538869293Get a used one with wheels. You can sell it when you're done using it. People are willing to let somebody park on their property for the extra income.
>>538877591Hehehehe you’re alright paddy.
>>538879339Scotland sounds nice, but I am not allowed to go to Europe either. I think I can go to South America and Indonesia. Do countries allow you to resupply without formal entry
>>538880983As opposed to a shithole blue state that'll seize your assets and put you in a home where niggers break your bones.
I did that in alaska. No CCR so I can do whatever and taxes are around 80$ a year.2kw solar and run grey water into woods
>>538869986Just make sure you do it in an ultra liberal state/county youll get fucked in the wrong place.
>>538872087>Humanity ISN'T about fucking with each otherBefore the early modern era entire societies could be born and die in a single day because people kept fucking with each other that much. It wasn't until guns got handed out like candy that societies could exist on a much larger scale with a much greater grounded reality because the starved peasants that previously couldn't kill a knight could now just shoot anybody that started acting too funny. Your village could mostly be a bunch of pot bellied and noodle armed wimps but the average muscular meathead numbnuts isn't able to just rob any house now without getting swiss cheesed for it. That's pretty much why our laws exist now.
>>538881000>Gay i
>>538875700A lot of non whites actually have money in their bank because they bring it here from their countries.
>>538881368Man can't you at least put some effort to not make it look so trashy?
>>538877463>$10k>checking accountput it in a money market fund you dummy
>>538881368>Littering
>>538869293And a lot of diyers are absolutely retarded and incompetent, which becomes clear if you've ever had to renovate some boomer diy electrical or plumbing job.
>>538882203NoIm.surrounded by million dollar boomer houses so its my obligation.I ripped out all the stumps with my beater truck and made a huge earthen wall and ditch.No CCR literally means that.
>>538880114I was in a D rated home with windows and doors with pretty bad warping. They didnt hold heat very well at all. I also had a fire place. Didnt use it but it lets warm air out. Its an inefficiency if its not burning fuel.I went the whole summer without cooling. No need. fucking Ireland. Summers are cool. I dont know if I even needed to open windows. As I said they were shit. The winter was cold enough. I often put on long johns under sweat pants and a hoody to feel warm enough. I had a PC putting out some small amount of heat.There were evenings where I started to feel pretty cold then went to bed and didnt feel cold under the duvet. Zero heating or cooling.
>>53886929380k is like a five-year loan if you're not a complete failure at life. Did you really think that the IRS isn't going to find a way to cash in on those off-the-grid types?
Heres the first shed I put up for tools and shit. Was $800 and 13x20 ground anchors and rope secured it and survived 70 mph windstorm so pleased.
>>538882630Looks nice. Are you a tradesman? I hate them so much. Always trying to over charge me. They are the real jews. Jews dont force you to take loans. Tradesmen try to force you to pay stupid prices for what they do.
>>538882391>I live by my own codeBased redneck. I won't litter a pristine environment but if there's already trash it's an official dump. Anarchist environmentalists taught me you cannot pollute a road and the best place to change oil is in the snow
>>538869293>oh sorry, you want to use your own money to build a house for yourself on land that you own? actually you're not allowed to do that
>>538882630The main cost isn't the structure, it is the land.>Hey guise I just built a $800 house!>Ignores that it is on a $100,000 plot of land
>>538870801The real redpill is learning to live without electricity or running water. That's how I grew up and it makes off-grid exponentially easier.
>>538882748Autodidact >>538882813Its just what ive been doing. I clean up once a week and run it to the dump. 10 ft pile of random.This is going up next.
>>538882436I got through an Ohio winter with 500 gallons of propane in a trailer. It got up to 55 some days without heat. My only concern was not letting the pipes freeze
>>538882898Land was 32k and has ocean views. Offered 25k cash and got it. Its only 1 acre but 25 min from nearest big town. Surrounded by angry boomers which makes it worth it.I blast death metal and bang on shit all day
>>538883017I did some very light repairs to plumbing after shitty tradesmen. I was very happy with myself. It might be the secret to happiness. Just fixing things and saving money.
>>538883143Its all easy with a basic diagnostic mindset. The only barrier is code compliance which is why im no CCR.Im making it a dry system totally off grid.Outhouse ect. Its pretty fun just doing things. I have enough money for 20 years or so and im just doing things on my own schedule. Work until im done then sleep until refreshed. Its really nice. Two years here and im incompatible with society.
>>538883134Nice making boomers jealous they can't stand to see young people doing well
>>538883081Ireland is the place to not spend money on heating or cooling. Shame land and housing is expensive but otherwise you can be nearly off grid and still live in a city. Property tax is low.I know its against the principle to buy an expensive home and be connected to electricity but its possible to go really really cheap on utilities here due to the climate. With solar panels and a battery I think you could be basically off grid. You just need to power broadband and lights. Then just use a bicycle to travel around the city. Since the area is small enough for everything you need the bike can get you where you need to be. I also got boomer inheritance so I have no mortgage.I have a career. Is minimal grid a thing?
I scored the truck for free and it was two parts wrong causing the no start. It took one day of research and I made a flowchart for 7.3 diesels 4x6 atv needed a new chainThe 5th wheel im going to destroy and turn the triple axle trailer into a hauler and cannibalize the 12v systems for shed..I discovered the site was a campground in the 70s so theres 150k of gravel pad underneath 12 Inches of organic material
>>53888308112 degrees is cold. Its not cold when you have been working or exercising but after and hour or two you start to feel it. Thats when the thermals went on. Then an hour or two later i went to bed.
>>538883361>incompatible with society.Two years I been wandering living in the bush. Ain't going back
>>538883580where and how did you score the truck for free my brother has the same truck and they are sought after cause 7.3l diesel engine
2kw panels in series so get like 400watt even on full cloudy day.Winter was negative 20 but I rigged in a wood stove and was very comfy.
>>538883580Where you get money? Are you on welfare or retired?
>>538883643>coldIsn't the correct measure. I have camped where propane doesn't light. That's kinda where minus 40 is on both scales. Wind is a bitch in the field but damp is the killer. Cold and crisp is lovely. Fuck dew. It awaits me tonight
>>538883738Parked in the forest and found the owner from the vin. Inside there were receipts for 8k of mechanics chasing the issues lol.It was electrical / fuel bowl. Its a nice truck but leaking at turbo pedestal so will fix someday but isnt technically needed and its fun to drip oil everywhere.I towed nearly 20k and went over the pass at 5 mph like.... oh whoops lol.New batteries and tires were about 1k though...Mini excavator was cool but its leaking slowly but cleared entire lot so paid for itself.Red truck was 700 bucks and needed a heater core but I used it to rip stumps and shit.
>>538883956I worked for a few years but just didnt rent and lived in random couches and stuff.I refuse to pay rent. I would rather be homeless. Im sociable enough to get free couches and stuff since I was gone working and not just being annoying.Never had to prostitute myself which was cool.
>>538883484>. Is minimal grid a thing?Unironically the niggers of this world still know how it's done. Instead of wasting hours of gigabytes watching nepobabies homestead you can hang out with some afs for an afternoon
>>538869293Or you could just not go around telling every fag that you live in a shed and you won't need all those permits
>>538884093You still need income.
>>538869293You get a camper.Buy land. Do driveway and concrete pad Buy tow behind camper.Put it in the concrete pad. Even a gravel area. Camper has wheels and isn't a permanent structure. Can't be taxed. Area designated as camp site. Just need a truck, a camper, a few permits and rent a bulldozer. Chainsaw. Probably some other bs tools
>>538884317But what's allowed in Africa isn't allowed in the US
>>538884587You actually know nothing lmao. Zoning will remove you.
>>538875487Ahh thank you. Yeah, that could work.. As long as nobody murdered me of course.
>>538884492I have enough for 20 years if im survival mode.Crapped out a+ and net+ but solar haven't been able to get a remote job My work history is total shit and so are my references so HR always gateblocks me.I get PFD in alska and use food banks so fuel/cellphone/Insurance are only expenses so like 2k per year.I want to earn more but im ok..
>>538884661This is a cosy thread, not a thread to hate on america. Context anon. I'd like to take this opportunity to shill nomadism a bit. Everywhere I go the chief offers me free land and yet I chose the whole world
>>538869293I'm really interested in this subject, came into some money from my fathers death and just want to buy a small one person home and get away. But looking around all the home selling sites those kind of homes barely exist. The ones that do are out in bumfuck nowhere and aren't even functioning and would require just as much money to fix up as it would to buy. Why the fuck don't they make one bedroom homes anywhere near cities?
>>538869293I bought 7 acres of farmland i paid 75k and took about 2 years of diligent saving. I can build any building on it for "farm purposes" no codes or permits, so right now im living in a "chicken coop" and have an outdoor kitchen, sandpoint well, and outhouse. The county is cool and leaves us alone
>>538884837>for 20 yearsHow do you think boomers live so long in retirement? The financial system is stacked in their favour. I had enough for two. Now I have enough for 4. The finance con is far less complicated than common rail diesel or high pressure side of plumbing
>>538884969>Why the fuck don't they make one bedroom homes anywhere near cities?because city cattle are packed in together 2 or 3 to a pod
>>538884362Until some migger boomer from the area finds out and calls the county. And yes they will rat you out even if you're white.
>>538884836>As long as nobody murdered me of course.You gotta have faith. Two rules to guide you. Have no heed for the morrow and do the opposite of what $x says, where $x in {boomers, shills, .....}
>>538876997FIrsta you get the pill press then you getta the power then you open the Etsy
>>538869916You can try, but you’ll be caught and run off. They always do.
>>538881281>Do countries allow you to resupply without formal entryI'm not 100% sure but I think probably not. They may let you take on water and fuel from their docks, but don't know if they would let you go ashore to get other stuff. Maybe once, there is a lot of old law of sea type informal behaviors in boating, helping out any mariner in trouble type stuff. But I doubt you can constantly get away with it.
>>538870043There are hobo camps in PNW that you can join
Livin' off the land? PFFFFFFI've been living in my hot air balloon for the past 10 yearsI can see the cops for miles and I just take off, they cant catch me
Why not hide the house?
>>538885351Basically yeah. Boomers can't mind their own damn business. The irony is that plenty of them did van life or fucked around in the woods when they were young
>>538888264They always talk about being free and wild children kn their bigwheels and enjoying life then call CPS on an unattended child.I took one on a road trip and he couldn't believe that you cant just drive out and camp at the beach or walk into the hoover dam and wander around.
the american dream is now living in a shed lol
>>538876272How did you get to different camping locations? Truck? Or did you walk only? How did you even enter that area in the first place if you didn't have a vehicle?
>>538886947>old law of sea type informal behaviorsThanks anon, that's what I needed. I'm glad we can still play by the old set of books. That is how I have survived in Africa. If Bear is still listening, this is another clue
>>538889930>That is how I have survived in AfricaWhy? Why are you so unmotivated?
>>538880087Just take the Cairo-Cape Town highway and stop at Nairobi. Sailing is not easy, in part due to the fact that Somalis exist.
>>538869293THAT SUCKS BUT DID YOU KNOW I’M A HUGE FAG?
remember that game MASH from when you were a kid? He got Shack.
>>538879605The humidity anywhere south of Northern New York State is worse than most of Europe, too.>t. West Virginian whose central A/C is broken - I could put up with 85 degrees indoors, it's the 75% humidity that's killing me.
>>538869293There are homeless shelters for niggers like (You).
>>538892305Yeah, the US has garbage weather overall. Even in Houston Texas, it still often drops below freezing, but you also get 110°F days with 75°F dew point
>>538872080Weird. I can buy lead paint pigments and even mercury if I want.
All you can really do is rent, own almost nothing, and be lazy. That or it's a backpack and a tent life. Bike or on foot. You want to fight? Spiritual warfare is all you get. Hearts and minds and nothing tangible. Thankless, lifelong, sacrificial efforts.
>>538870572The North Pond hermit. He lived there for 27 years, by stealing from summer cabins. Absolute misery. He'd have been happier in prison, where he is now.
>>538870801>no codesBullshit. I guarantee you need a state-approved septic system, at minimum. People shitting in holes spreads cholera and dysentery. This isn't fucking India. Whatcha gonna for water? Go dip it out of a stream? No fucking way, most places require either hookup to municipal water or a private well. All this Daniel Boone bullshit is a larp. You can't live on the margins of civilization and shit it up. You guys sound like a bunch of stupid hippies from the sixties.
Think about the bitcoiners. They want to separate money from state and oppose ZOG. But all the hackers who built up the blockchain and maintain it with the right intentions and politics are almost gone and are getting replaced with cumsock wannabe fagman devs who just want to get rich. That door's been closed. Still they ask you to trust them and are constantly reminding you of what's possible so hodlers can go on practicing their love. Everyone gets assimilated and becomes full of shit the exact moment they cease being a tight knit tribe.
>>538893550Yeah, even in Brewster County Texas, you still need a septic tank. Sometimes that shit is like $15K.
>>538873745Did you try not eating avocado toast?
>>538870737Just use your parents' address, or if your parents are complete assholes, use the address of a friend. He can also be a tripwire if anyone comes looking for you.
>>538882525I hate that I am being strangled financially, socially, and culturally, all the while I have to play the cat and mouse legal game as to what kind of teeny tiny loophole I can exploit to get less than the bare minimum. It's all very distressing.
>>538869293>off grid>following codes (submitting permits, documentation)>caring about property>paying to put a shed (paper trail)Anon, off the grid means doing it yourself. If other people know about it you're on the grid.
>>538895980The term means literally 'off the electrical grid' dumbass.>yeah bro just build a shack on some guy's land and wait for the government to come kick you off
>>538869293$80k is a gross exaggeration. However, you cannot support yourself with homesteading alone. All of the homesteaders have regular jobs to support themselves
>>538869962You must be 18 to post here, ahmed.
>>538897597If you have land in an area where a deep well is required, like in New Mexico, $80K isn't an exaggeration .>All of the homesteaders have regular jobs to support themselvesYeah, most likely WFH jobs, which most people would only dream to get.
>>538897597If homesteading isn't substinance farming then what is it
>>538870060Show jewkranian flag, faggot.
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>>538869293Jews infested zoning boards so you're forced to buy your own hone (pay max property tax) and buy Jew cars,Jew gas, and Jew car insursnce so they can profit.
>>538869293i dont believe you. why would youtubers ever lie about stuff?
>>538893550sorry to btfo you
>>538898965Are you the anon that attempted to search for land in Latin America, but then ended up with just buying land in Arkansas?
>>538870825that's not true anymore, you can only use each campsite for 14 days in a two month period. better have four camps if you want to live on usfs land.
>waaaaaaaaaaaah i deserve a free house because im white waaaaaaaaaaaah
>>538869293You need to find land in bumfuck with well water, septic, and allows you to put a used Mobile home on the lot.
>>538881368>run grey water into woods>pump shit and piss into the woods all over the ground like an indian
>>538871000sounds great until the feds show up and dome your kids
>>538899298what an odd thing to say
>>538879278this, but remember we're all niggers here. No white man has ever posted here. Ooga booga, bixxx nooooood.
>>538899298>All homesteaders are WacoDumb.
>>538899221grey water is shower, sink, ect water. not toilet water you stupid nigger. you need to keep quiet while the adults are talking
i tire of home inspector tiktok slop
>>538876528I did solar at my place for $5000Although I did that like 7 years ago.Might be $10000 today.Around 30kW generated a day, with 6 hrs of sunlight.The average gamer only uses 15kW a day if you only have to cool off the game room (we average 110F during the summers, I run AC all night).My system isn't set up for any serious welding or anything drawing over 6kW.Could just use a large generator though.If you are paying someone to install your solar, you might as well stay as a normie in the city.>>538877090This anon gets it.Built my own for under $10000 (including tools and rentals).The only real issues of breaking free is the amount of areas that have "codes" or other bullshit to arbitrarily increase costs.The best areas are the ones so desolate they don't even send "immigrants" to.
>>538901867how are your batteries holding up? im surprised they lasted 7 yrs, most shit out in less than 5. what kind are they?
>>538893134He only did 7 months.AI says he works in an auto shop now. Who knows how accurate.
>>538902131Oh no, mine started to go at 5 yrs, but during the day they charge and then drain slowly throughout the night.I run AGM (not lithium cause of costs), 19.2 kWh battery bank ($6000~ back then). Bout $1200 a year, or $100 aside a month to be able to replace them every 5 years.I guess I could have prolonged them if I didn't run AC at night.It really comes down to cycle life moreso than flat years.Lithium is a little cheaper, but with the current prices still too much imo.
>>538893550I have an outhouse and a dug well. They're grandfathered in. My entire property probably cost less than what it would have cost to get a fully functional, fully rubber-stamped well and septic system.
>>538901867This anon gets it.I did something very similar.
>>538902360Electric bill is 100 dollars max or far less. You basically did a lot of work to break even at best. Happy for you I guess but I think solarcucks are deluding themselves and not even helping the planet because it takes resources to make the equipment.
Best bet is to build in unincorporated area. No zoning, power, water, nothing. You are on your own for everything. States with most unincorporated are big ones, TX, MT, or sparsley populated ones.
>>538871046form a tax-exempt non-profit dedicated to protecting nature and wildliferaise funds from fortune 500 companies and federal grants & foundationsbuy as much land as you can, create a wildlife preserveopen to the public for fishing, camping, swimming and activitiesbuild trails, put labels on trees, build bird houses.raise/earn more money, buy more landbuild a two story "learning center" and camp storehire chicks to work theretop floor is the park ranger stationbe the ranger
