SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME
>why can't fat Americans do shit in Q3'2k26?
>>538902024How many american deaths are you ready to give up for Israel? How about money?
the economy isn't real. the women kept at the jew daycares rely on the hormussy being gatekept
>>538902024>straitit's the curve of hormuz though
>>538902024we could, easily. However, the advent of cheap FPV drones means all we would be doing is handing what is left of the Iranian military, which isn't much to be fair, a duck hunt of easy to hit U.S. troops.
>>538902024They could, you're just not prepared to lose some ships
>>538902024
>>538902024They can but it would be extremely painful.
theyre literally smoking caterpillar
>>538902024The whole thing is a giant kill-zone and the enemy can supply it indefinitely.
US army is cooked
rectum of hormus
They're afraid to nuke all the land around the water for some reason.
>>538902024>government lies about everything>no lies this time
>>538902024>How can you protect a body of water from missile and drone threats?.You can't. You don't even try because it would be retarded. Instead you avoid the situations that create the threat in the first place. Situations like starting a war with a country adjacent to that body of water, for example.
>>538902024Your Military is shit and outdated by 50 years.
>>538902024because our soldiers will look like this on the news
>>538902024Why should they? This isn't the 1970's grandpa, It's not really of any importance to the US, and hasn't been for decades.
>>538902264>narrator's note: khamnei is dead, no US ships have been sunk, the strait is controlled by the US.
>>538902200based
>>538902024because, when you walked in truth, you gained ground, then once you finally got into power, you rejected the truth for lies, and became just like your enemies.try the alinksy rules for radicals against iran, because you can no longer walk in the truth, you might as well become full on jewish and embrace your defeat.
>>538902024You mean steal it? Like a nigger?
>>538902024You can, but it will cost you hundreds of thousands of zogbots getting blown up by drones with cameras that will record every second of it, including when they shit themselves or kneel on the floor asking for mercy. >do it, we are waiting
>>538902024I don't know, why IS ol' Donny Trump such a colossal blundering jackass who can't use the military very good?
Because some GI is gonna take a unmanned drone to the face and it'll be all over the internet within 5 minutes of happening Titled >Zog puppet gets exploderded by Iranian drone in 4k And then Amerifats from trailer parks will scream "remember when ! " And then forget 10 years later and let 20,000 Iranian refugees here to live amongst you
>>538902024You need an economy to support the war effort.You need a competent military to support a war effort.America has neither.If you send ships to the strait the ships will be targeted in the same way tankers are.If you send the infantry to take coastal position, then FPV Drone attacks will be relentless, America does not have anti-drone capacity.Former combat experience is against dirt poor sand niggers like the taliban, not even ISIS as the kurds did all the heavy lifting.Also will to fight, America would need to mobilize at least 140 thousand troops to take the coastal region, and most of them will be DEI hires, demoralized males, empowered women and transgenders.you dont win a war with such troop.
>>538902024It's military theater. Trump is an actor
>>538902442
Have you seen bond yields? The country's broke
>>538902024Simple; they're being piloted by the wrong people. Dumb, traitorous, charismaless zionists who are shaking about their inevitable deaths by age and justice. Most of them are also probably brown trash-caste bloods recently imported from india or china where dietary deficiency or corruption has been a thing for a gazillion generations of beautiful culture. They cannot defeat the Whites, which is why our military recruitment ads are now White, the (((conservatives))) are """""back in power"""", and hell, that's why the president is back to being White.Because israel is our greatest ally! Hahaha, r-right? Fellow goys?
>>538902442"We are in complete control of the Strait of Hormuz! Iranian soldiers are burning in their bunkers!" -US Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt, mere seconds before soldiers of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard would storm the White House live on national television
>>538902024Very complicated situation Gloves aren’t even offEyebrows are at half mastGive it two more weeks
>>538902024Iran has an elaborate underground network of military installations which it uses to shift around munitions, and which is largely unmapped by our intelligence. They can shoot missiles and drones from these bases and it's hard to track or spot.
>>538902503US military has anti-drone lasers & drones that kill drones. The only issue is production capacity which will be solved by throwing money at the problem. The drone advantage will be gone in a year or two but in the meantime there will be shortages and higher food prices
>>538902024Your navy got outmaneuvered by some EU submarines during an exercise decades agoImagine how bad it's gotten with 20+ years of browning of your military since
>>538902667Also some of these installations are beneath mountains. Difficult to penetrate
>>538902206sounds very informed, are you the same guy that told trump everything was obliterated only to find out weeks later they remain at 88% capacity?
That's another sovereign country's waterway. That's like asking why can't Russia just take the Gulf of America. They are right there. Sail a bunch of ships in and get droned to death, attack with planes and same. They will defend their soil, as would we. So you are asking for open warfare then? Against a country that Israel attacked during negotiations, they we just 'went along to 'help' and now it's 'our war'. K
>>538902024because it's easy as fuck to sit on the beach and launch a missile out of the back of your truck at a giant tank of oilniggers get the ropemiggers get the cope
>>538902694So you will endure years of pain, for no other reason than because you just have to protect your rabid masters, the jews. Pretty sad.
>>5389020241 can’t do it from the air2 Iran has the home field advantage
Because Americans would invade Israel if they were put into the Middle East.
>>538902598that image will never not be funny
They'd need to send in menSome of whom would die A subset of those would have their deaths recorded with modern equipment by Iran4K 240fps HDR footage of Soldiers who died in the president's ego war ahead of a midterm election does not make for an easy campaign. So rest easy Americans, you're not getting drafted until mid November after the midterms, enjoy the summer.
>>538902268>>538902322And you’re literally smoking cock. Nigger.
>>538902711That is a fucked up sacrum, wtf
problems weren't
>>538902206>which isn't much to be fairOh anon, I have some news for you.
>>538903510The big canals exist because it was feasible given the terrain they are in, like Panama having a lake there, or the Suez being sandy and low, same with the Kiel canal being flat and low. The Gulf of Oman is mountainous.
>>538902206>we could easily>except we can't and we'd dieAt last I truly see.
>>538902024Because taking the Iranian side would inevitably lead to the marines and army incuring their heaviest casualties since Vietnam and the American political system is extremely casualty adverse.
>>538902024miglets like getting their hormussy BLOWN out
>>538902024Its Too TIGHT
>>538902024Muslim attack dolphins
>>538902206>weyou're getting gaped rn
>>538902024The zapping dolphins would rape your fleet
>>538903736We have enough bombs for that
We've never actually been good at warSoviets won WW2 with American equipmentKorea was a failureVietnam was a failureDesert Storm went ok but not greatGWOT was a joke
>>538902694>higher food priceskek, only thing causing "food" prices to go up is paying zoomies and boomers $25hr for unskilled work. Actual cook at home food that doesn't come from whole goods or is of the namiest of trendy brands is not all that high and is not likely to increase.
>>538902024We cant TAKE IT. thats the easy part. Rush in, shock and awe, etc etc etc. How do you propose to KEEP IT. Do you have any idea how much will it cost to keep 24/7 army stationed there? What you are proposing is either A) INVADE IRAN, set up a puppet gov, etc etc or B) Afghanistan 2.0 but more retarded and all your personal stuck in the same position so its super easy to blow them up.
>>538902156>Give every soldier an iPad>have a live satellite video feed of every square inch of Iran broken into enough quadrants that every soldier has a separate quadrant feed on their iPad>send bait boat through the strait>iran launches rockets>if a rocket gets launched in a soldiers iPad quadrant they hit the report button>immediately MOAB the quadrantEzpz Red/black pill: They want high oil prices
>>538904060It's a waterway. Remotely shut down their ability to remotely shut down the strait. Take out their drone/missile launchers and it's over.
>>538902200
>>538902024Its not for everyone.Thank you for inflating our history Americans.kek
>>538902024We can. We just need to send more incels and neets over and get boots on the ground. DRAFT NOW!
>>538904005>Soviets won WW2 with American equipmentSoviet meatshields did a lot, but the US helped immensely in the West as well as crushing Japan in the Pacific.>Korea was a failureNot really, the South was saved from northern conquest>Vietnam was a failureNot militarily, the US never lost a single campaign - they were ordered to withdraw due to popular demand. >Desert Storm went ok but not greatBretty gud tho>GWOT was a jokeYep, but that's not the military's fault. Just the treacherous contractors and politicians. In any case, US tactical nukes would have settled things in hours, but muh human rights
>>538902118>>538902333>>538903911>>538904244Memeflag faggots bringing nothing to the table. Shove this (you) down you pisshole
>>538904131>its easy just take away the thing they can re-stock Again nigger, Taking it is easy, KEEPING It is a logistical retardation cause you will have to keep personal there. How much do you think it will cost to run that operation? >w-well, we will finance it by charging the people. NO ON IS GONNA FUCKING AGREE TO THIS. The strait was fully open, Free Pass till USA attacked IRAN. Everyone will rather shadow side with Iran that let USA, Create a problem, pretend they fix it and hand out a bill.TRUMP LOST. At this point there is nothing he can do out side of A) Political suicide and Invade IRAN (Or Nuke it) B) Retreat and hope everything slowly returns to Status QUO.
>>538904084We don't make enough bombs to sustain that. We're already down through a lot of our missile reserves.
>>538902024Build new Panama Canal
the strait has existed for thousands of years but for some reason it only became an issue for us in february of this year can someone explain that
>>538904403>you will have to keep personal there. How much do you think it will costNigger, we could just pull out our troops from the faggot EU countries that don't deserve or want our troops there. Build a permanent base on our new soil. Call it a day
>>538902024Because no matter how powerful your military is, you cannot magically teleport your assets anywhere in the world at will.
>>538902024Why don't we just turn that strip of land into a crater so it fills with water?
>>538903949Nukes? >just irradiate the place that will fix it
>>538902024I remember when I was with Special Forces--it seems a thousand centuries ago--we went into a camp to inoculate it. The children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us, and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile--a pile of little arms. And I remember...I...I...I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out, I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it, I never want to forget. And then I realized--like I was shot...like I was shot with a diamond...a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, "My God, the genius of that, the genius, the will to do that." Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they could stand that--these were not monsters, these were men, trained cadres, these men who fought with their hearts, who have families, who have children, who are filled with love--that they had this strength, the strength to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, then our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral and at the same time were able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling, without passion, without judgment--without judgment. Because it's judgment that defeats us.
>>538904060Can't use big basesneed to use asymetric defense in depth,so there's no fixed targets to drone/ballisticIt's prevented Ukraine from rolling to Russia and Russia from getting counter attacked by ukraine. It would work and then for close air support the US would absolutely wipe any iranian forces
>>538904558Radiation isn't as bad as the jews want you to belive
>>538904538I bet we could teleport some nukes
>>538904502>Build a permanent base>IN ENEMY TERRITORY>IN RANGE OF DRONES, BOMBS and ARTILLERY STRIKEYou are fucking Retard. >>538904495>Be strait, Be open free water way everyone passes. >Countries next to strait produce Shit load of Oil and ship it away>Nothing happens >Retarded Orange attacks country next to Strait. >Country imposes a blockade on the strait>strait no longer Open>All that oil cant be shipped or needs to be transported by land which takes longer and is more expensive.
>>538902552Unironically I think this may be the catalyst for total internet censorship and probably the death of boards like /pol/. the government knows watching Pvt. Timmy get droned in 4k with his American flag punisher skull tattoo melting into lasagna would be devastating for the war effort
>>538904403What? Just keep launching rockets at their shit. How come Hamas and Houthis can build rockets and launch that shit constantly but the USA with a trillion dollar budget can't seem to figure out what beach the fast boats are parked on, and what coordinates a missile came from? We should be shelling the shit out of them with naval artillery and tomahawks and never relenting. Everybody on gibs should be working in a missile factory. USA military is operating at 1% capacity and then going "wo is me I don't know how we can control this waterway without sending kids to die for Israel" I'm not buying it
>>538904652And that would give us control of the channel how?
>>538904680>>538904598lets assume for a second you REALLY want to go for attrition war.How do you propose to bankroll it?
>>538904652What happened to Jewish space lasers?
>>538904374>Soviet meatshields did a lot, but the US helped immensely in the West as well as crushing Japan in the Pacific.We didnt help that much and all we did is drop a bomb for the nips, not like that took a lot of effort>Not really, the South was saved from northern conquestAnd look how THAT turned out, SK is feminist utopia>Not militarily, the US never lost a single campaign - they were ordered to withdraw due to popular demand."Popular demand" never wanted that war to begin with and thus begat the entire hippie movement and draft dodgers. Them 'listening to the people' was a cover for us GTFO because we couldn't do SHIT>Bretty gud thoGot BTFO'd by IED's constantly searching for WMD's that were never there. This is 'breddy gud' to you?>Yep, but that's not the military's fault. Just the treacherous contractors and politicians.In any case, US tactical nukes would have settled things in hours, but muh human rights"IF we could only ignore the rules of war and just slaughter vast swaths of humanity any way we choose, we would have won". Do you even hear yourself?
>>538904742Are you suggesting that Iran can outspend the US military?
>>538904680>How come the locals can do shit cheaper and know the area better than the people HAVING TO MOBILIZE EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FROM THE OTHER SIDE OF THE WORLD.Do you fucking even understand war?
>>538904734Hey pal, I just want to vaporize some sand niggers
>>538904796Nigger, im asking, how much money are you willingly to BURN on this vanity project Cause THE STRAIT WAS OPEN TILL USA FUCKED IT UP.
>>538902024Honestly, I think everything is just theatre really. Absolutely just fuck all happens on this planet unless one pack of fuckfaces is trying to cheat another pack of cuckfaces or the fuckfaces who control the major corporations, bar, etc decide to do a rejig of the phony system of cheating and stealing into the new phony system of cheating and stealing. There's a lot of weird people out there. I'm staying out of it.
>>5389040841 MOABs are stupid expensive and not made for that2 no it's not EZPZ That's 24/7/365 rain or shine air surveillance. Not to mention having rapid strike capability at saturation of the whole area. Technically doable with a completely new generation of drones and new precision low cost munitions, but the cost and logistics of it are wholly fuck more than universal healthcare and would take probably over a decade to produce. You are talking about a reusable Shaheed cost long duration arial surveillance drone carrying something like picrel produced in greater quantity than china can shit out and smuggle temu stingers. Best case scenario it would cost hundreds of billions and years of development. Also where do you launch and recover them from and instead of giving every private snuffy an Ipad it would be ruin by AI with a live kill chain operator on the pickle button. Your Dunning Kruger is fucking breathtaking on the subject. But interesting idea.
>>538904084That would be a great plan if we didn't already give all of our ordinance to ukraine and israel
>>538904479It ain't even that hard. Nuke one tiny isthmus in Oman and problem solved
>>538904470How can Iran sustain their munitions but we can't?
What are the odds for TACO thursday this week?
>>538904742Trump clearly wants to devalue the dollar. That would simultaensouly devalue the debt.I wouldn't be suprised if they wanted to burn up all teh credibility of the US dollar to fund infinite war and then do a "reset." (based in gold, bitcoin or eth.) LIkely to be catastrophic on all frontsThings like Tariffs and Strait of Hormuz fees are obviously not going to work, not even Trump is that stupid. he's just buying time. hoping the collapse happens after he's gone
>>538902024Didn't you ever play Gulf of Oman in BF2? It's basically impossible for US to win that map because MEC jets can just bomb the shit out of the flags on the beach all game.
>>538902024This is the most sane option I've heard so far
>>538904495Simple. Because of drones, Iran can actually attack passing ships cheaply and steathily. Conventionally, Iran got fucked. But now with drones,l and since they actually live there, they are an actual threat that cant be stopped easily. Only way to stop drones is to setup ground forces and bases, which is totally a non-starter politically. You're seeing the same thing in Ukraine and Russia. Drone warfare is like gorilla warfare in the skies, but also very very cheap to use(between $500-$2000)l a drone) and can be operated remotely at zero human cost. So far, there is no real way to stop it. Russia and China will keep supplying drones to Iran because Iran is embarassing America in front of the world.
>>538902024>SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO MEits simple, Pete Hegseth and Trump are in charge
>>538904938If no TACO Tuesday nearly 100%
>>538902024Because Iran is on one side and you have no troops there. Are you retarded?
>>538904958>just bomb things, thats the solution to everything!
>>538904958I think MacArthur proposed the same thing for korea but the pussy-in-chief at the time had him fired for suggesting it
>>538904084>actual tankers are xbawks fuckhuge>bait boats would be much smaller, a huge bait would cost a massive amount of money and only a few can be made>Iran just ignores the bait boatsWhat now you stupid fuck?
>>538905063Unironically, glassing everything south of China and Europe would solve 75% of all problems in the world.
>>538905149or just take out israel
>>538904861Thanks. I'm an ideas guy. I don't worry myself with the specifics- that's up to you egliniggers
>>538905187Niggers and muslims are no better, just dumb.
>>538904897Id build missiles/artillery for the US for $20/hr plus Bennie's, but you need a clearance and 25 years experience and brown skin and a vagina to get a job these days
>>538904958He stole this idea from me
>>538904976yeah but why did the fight start n the first place? iran wasnt charging tolls before the war
Trump isn't willing to commit US troops to holding the area. And he's wise to do this (or more accurately his military advisors are wise), because it would just cause a lot of unnecessary casualties for a prize that is not really worth it. Iran has heavily entrenched around the strait, in hardened mountain bunkers that are resistant to air strikes and would be murderously hard to take by storm, with infantry. There's really no good way to dig people out of a mountain stronghold. It usually requires a lengthy siege, or a very costly assault. A lengthy siege is also costly in its own way, and trying to maintain a siege on the other side of the world is extremely costly. So instead, the US military park a couple carrier groups in the neighborhood and try to control the airspace over the strait, and intimidate Iran into backing down by threatening to attack the parts of its industry that are still exposed to aerial threat, since direct attacks on Iran's fortified coast aren't having any real effect in either deterring their willingness to fight or degrading their capability. If you know a solid way to "take the strait" that doesn't involve sending potentially several thousand American men to their mostly pointless deaths, I'd love to hear it. Frankly, the Strait is not worth thousands of Americans, it's not even worth the small handful who already died. But Iran disagrees. Because Iran doesn't just get to hold onto the Strait for free, it's costly to them as well. It exposes them to US attack, and they have paid a heavy price in human life, and in material costs. They've lost most of their navy, they've lost a lot of infrastructure. But the main difference here is, Iran is willing to pay that price. The US isn't.
>>538904762I think they only use those on their greatest allies
>>538904976Why can't we figure out where they're getting launched from? Where is the geosynchronous satellite radar system monitoring their entire airspace linked to a missile cruiser/destroyer with shells loaded ready to go? Boots on the ground my dick
>>538904479>>538904899Realistically, how long would it take to excavate that much rock and dirt?And where do you dump the spoil after you've dug out a canal that size?
>>538902024rokit fly skybig badda boom :(
>>538905146Every boat is a bait boat if you pay the pajeet captain enough
>>538904392You're unpatriotic and we should kick you out America.
>>538905393The US doesnt even have money to do it (and federal notes is not enough to do it).
>>538902024The military industrial complex is propaganda and the mere idea is it existing would seem absurd if you hadn't grown up watching action movies that influenced your perception of what is it isn't realistic
>>538905371Because Trump, emboldened by Venezuela and egged on by Israel and Jews and Zionists, thought he could smack Iran around and that they'd capitulate. I mean, he took out their leaders, that means he won, right? Well, he realized too late that its not so simple as removing heads of state.
>>538905393>Trump isn't willing to commit US troops to holding the areaIs not that its cant be done, is that 1) Is not Cost effective 2) EVERYONE know this is Trumps fault so no one is gonna help (assuming dont actively shadow bankroll Iran instead) >>538905422>I launch a single Drone from some random shack in the dessert >You launch and ICBM > I lose a shack (and the kamikaze drone). NET LOSE: 40K >You USE a 1.5M ICBM >I already moved out >Rise and Repeat. Magnificent, whats is the next part of your plan?
>>538905470If your argument is that browns are dumb enough to be bribed, my argument will be that browns are cowardly enough and won't do anything risky, and they know it's risky because several ships already got attacked thus far.
>>538905515Yeah, the Venezuela thing is probably what made him believe he is some next level military genius. Fucking as moron.
>>538905422Sure, if you want to shoot down $500 drones with $2 million missles, then uou can, but the cost ratio is totally unsustainable.
>>538902206>handing what is left of the Iranian military
>>538905422This isn't a video game.
>>538905393Who the fuck said anything about committing troops? This is a problem solved by satellite imagery and 127mm shells
>>538905684Man that post reminds me this.We are now in a reality that is dumber than a badly written video game.
>>538905734>Who the fuck said anything about committing troops? I did, just now. Because it's the only way you "take the strait" per what OP said. If precision artillery and bombing could solve this problem it would've been solved in a week.
>>538905218Retired 2w1 (weapons nerd never been to Egeland), but that concept has been out there for years. Some wannabe Burt Rutan was shopping the idea of mass produced "combat" Cessnas with AIM'9's for overwhelming any air defense with zerg tactics in the 60-80's timeframe. Hell we had the first shaheed drones in ww1, but the devils in the details. In a way the Ukie's were using something like this in a way to bomb Russian airbases before Putin invaded Crimea. Basically super cheap drones with cellphone brains that dropped mortar rounds if formations like tiny WW2 Courtice LeMay style. It kind Worked.
>>538905684Iran doesn't have a navy. They are closing the strait with shore-based ordinance and drone attacks. The Strait is narrow enough that everything passing through it can be ranged from the shore with ease. Iranian ordinance is not terribly accurate but it's accurate enough to scare civilians.
>>538905427Don't be so obtuse. Google Castle Bravo.
>>538902024See that place on the map labeled "Iran"? It has a lot of drones and missiles, and the strait is very much within range of them.
>>538902024Our "military" is entirely (((for profit))), of course they cannot fight.
>>538902200Kek
Boots need to be on the ground in a seemingly endless quagmire
>>538902200Underrated
>>538905586>>538905670Are you guys being purposefully stupid? Follow the fucking launcher in real time and blow it up with a shell from a navy ship or a hellfire from a predator drone. It's not about the cost of munitions it's the cost of a blockade on the oil price and worldwide oil consumer. Add it up.
>>538905910>Google castle BravoI can't decide if those names they used were brilliant or yet another justification for when Skynet inevitably turns on us.
>>538905734Miggers really are hopelessly stupid.
>>538905813>troops on the ground is the only way to secure the strait!>t. Israeli shillToo obvious Moshe, back to rabbi school for you
>>538902024You could but it would take many thousands of casualties as the Iranians have weapons.
>>538902268>>538902322Please elaborate. Wtf is going on here. What caterpillar is this and what is the high supposed to be like? I know they smoke scorpions in Pakistan I believe.
>>538905515thats too simple of an explanation i dont believe it. i think its more likely trump started the war because he was ordered to by the central bank jews for some reason. probably to bring in more money into us treasury bonds or something to keep the banks from collapsing
>>538902024They can. Its the voters the generals are worried about
Zoom out NPC; or is this you Eglin nigger's requesting We meme a Schizo post that explains this ride ends with boots on the ground. Just not ours as far as draft...So, Who is disposable and number in the billions. Flash back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxMoN9_v_Aw&thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAaJ-7O0xkMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbegDMuhSJ4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdHevnZrxJI&tChabahar porthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dKtjIIQiishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrAnYwhJV3gWater running outhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqOSTAPDCwYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HEAjgYaafIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxFFmhJT3c&t
>>538905515>>538905666not buying the venezuela argument either because its obvious the venezuela was preplanned as the first step for the iran war. if they wanted iran they needed to control venezuelas oil. so its not like he just started with venezuela then said iran looks nice lets try them next. iran was always teh target, veneuela was the necessary dday landing site in order to launch the iran war from. otherwise oil prices would be through the fucking roof right now. so iran was always the end game but the quesion is why. just because israel wanted him to? maybe but that seems too simple and too high of a risk for that. i think theres more to the story and it has to do with money and banks
>>538902024>why cant usa navy take this.because of all of the stuff around it.
>>538905850You're making me feel sick. Everyone is piling on me about the million dollar missiles vs the $250 shaheeds and then you come at me with this post>YES YOURE CORRECT IN ASSUMING THE US SHOULD HAVE THIS PROBLEM SOLVED BY NOW BUT I DONT THINK YOU REALIZE HOW KEKED WE ARE
>>538905422They are launching them from the backs of pickup trucks with targeting data supplied by the chinks like we did to the Russians in Ukraine. We probably need to start using laser dazzlers on chink satellites like they do ours to degrade their targeting capabilities. But the faster solution is to collapse Iran's fuel, communication and, power infrastructure. Then they won't have the sustainable means to keep doing it. Even their bunkers can only run for so long if they're cut off from surface power and resupply. Also fuckem they had their chance to do this the easy way. There's absolutely no fucking way they get to hold the straight hostage like this, let alone have a non Rothchild central bank. I'm not even a supporter of that last one, but that's how the fucking world works right now.
>>538906515It's not the drone. It's the electronics in the drone and the communication and control for those drone swarms that are expensive. What the Iranians are doing is borderline Somali pirate tier. What we are going to have to do is basically SkyNet tier. I don't know how much more I can dumb that down for you.
>>538902024Your military is out of date. It can't fight modern wars and hasn't fought a real war since Vietnam.
>>538906143Not an argumentBtw you lost tranny
>>538906521I'm with you anon. Let's fuckin go
>>538906456>all oil is the same
>>538904922The us goal is mass trauma. Wars are for theater, not winning
>>538902024They can. Easily. Thats why I think something else is going on that we aren't being told.
>>538906693When was the last time y'all fought a war?
>>5389021560 and about $3.50.
They are building pipelies to bypass the place.
>>538902024I suspect it would require the sacrifice of some thousand marines. Not worth it.
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>>538902398I don't think anyone will be taking criticism about their militaries from THAT flag, seriously, desu.
>>538907230>countries that tried to fight against the bolsheviks.Funny.
>>538902024>>538903823We can't hold control of it because it's extremely easy for Iranian drones/missiles to strike any ship we can put there. We can try to flex power, but there's nothing we can do that wouldn't cost more than it benefits.A drone that costs 10k can annihilate a $ 100 million ship with thousands of military men on it, that's just the nature of war now.
>>538907267Tried and failed.
>>538902610If I knew anything about bond yields or what that was I probably wouldn't be here posting on 4chan.
>>538906515Also the munition I sighted is best case estimate $15K a pop and a Shaheed even the Iranian one with the $200 temu motor and a temu raspberry pie3 for brains is $20-40K. The amount of area a system you are proposing would have to perpetually cover is the size of some countries you would actually be able to point to on a map. That's hundreds of aircraft around the clock, but more likely thousands and the infrastructure to launce, recover, maintain and, command them. Assuming you could make a recoverable medium altitude long persistence drone for $40K that could carry a couple of hatchets each and perform the surveillance of their AOR. 30k+40Kx1000 is 70 million, but more likely add a zero or two and development costs. Now figure that the radar and coms and drone carriers are probably in the billions and take a half a decade at minimum to design and build. It's a neat idea that somebody probably already thought of for the next war and in many respects see hatchet munition already are, but in no fucking way will be ready for this one. In the end a subsurface nuke in each of their super bunkers is cheaper and faster and will absolutely make them rethink their position on surrender. Realistically we can just short circuit their power grid with carbon filament bombs and sweat them out. The bunker buster nuke should God willing be a last resort.
>>538905371>yeah but why did the fight start n the first place? iran wasnt charging tolls before the warbecause the jews who run the usa and israel are warmongers.
>>538906922How much is that in hyphenated Americans?
>>538902024You need the anti mine boats to take out the minesBut you need the big boats to hold the area and keep the anti mine boats safeBut you need the anti mine boats to take out the minesBut you need the big boats to hold the area and keep the anti mine boats safeYou see where I am going
>>538905371They've been tacitly holding the straight hostage for decades and are starting to field IRBM's while actively enriching uranium. As much as I hate the fucking kikes that's a nogo.
>>538907694Imagine the absolute shitshow if for some reason a cruiser gets hit or runs on a mine with significant casualties. Political suicide today.Murritards think bombing can fix everything.I wouldn't be surprised if in 4 years news broke out that the US tried to do spec ops shit just to lose whole teams and sweep it all under the rug.
>>538907293Why don't we just nuke the most populous city and kill like 10mil in one stroke?Why doesn't Russia nuke Kyiv?Round up the jews irish italians n feminists n other orc.
>>538907928Iran would be parading bodies in the streets like Tehran was Mogadishu if they had dead American special forces. Just like what happened to the frogs in Somalia
>>538907928I mean the same thing happened in WW1 and UK and France said fuck it and did a land invasion so maybe they could do the same.But we all know how Gallipoli ended.
>>538907811As anyone with any Passage Monopoly, it always exists AS LEVERAGE.if IRAN had wake up 1 day and say "fuck you all, by the glory of allah, we are now closing the strait and everyone is paying us a toll". The world would have come together, fuck their shit and move on. BUT. that now what it happened. USA decided for whatever reason you want to pick Attack IRAN, Iran, then was "forced" to use said leverage. USA being the cause is the reason why no other country has involve itself military wise. Cause it will mean supporting USA Aggression and clean up their mess. Make no mistake if things get bad BAD, the world will get the strait open, but that will probably also involve a lot of political fuckery and probably ICC USA.
>>538907694That's not entirely true anymore and one thing we are actually doing correctly. Although perhaps not fast enough.
I think the failure had already happened years before we were supposed to plan ahead Iran couldn't be trusted, and make that channel beforehand with the forethought Iran would turn bellic.
>>538902024America got butt fucked by a strait shaped like a butt getting fucked. Pottery.
>>538908236Euros are a bunch of fags that have to be bribed to do anything useful. They are just maximizing being opportunistic cunts while minimizing any cost or risk. Fuck'em there almost as bad allies as israel.
>>538908403What retarded ass analogy is that? Are you stupid??THE STRAIT WAS OPEN, You fucking cuck.
>>538904922they make $10k rocketswe have to have $10m rockets
>>538908366Part of why we spent 20 years bleeding in the sandbox was to build a super pipeline through countries we bombed in the region that went through israel and ended up in Europe. But eventually they had to give up on it because you can't make sandniggers quit if they know you won't indiscriminately bomb them until they are to depopulated to inbreed. Basically they don't fear you if they know genocide is off the table. I fucking hate to be that way, but they basically aren't human. So you can't treat them like they are.
>>538904922>How can Iran sustain their munitions but we can't?Drones are cheaper than ICBM. They build it there.We have to ship our equipment half way across the world.You do the math nigger.
>>538902024>WHY CAN'T OUR MILITARY TAKE THIS?!?!?For the same reason Iran can't take the gulf of Mexico.
>>538902428Americans don't have the warrior spirit to fall over their own sword.Honor is not in the US military creed...
>>538902024Drones can launched from anywhere including Tehran. Iran only needs to bomb a ship here and there to shut down traffic. Realistically you'd need a ground war.
>>538904958>safeThey think Iran will not camp the place...
>>538902206Is america going to take its gloves off in the next 2 weeks?
>>538902024Maybe they don't actually want to take it! What is it benefits the rich to leave it blocked.
>>538908447The straight was open because iran was selling oil under the table. It's been holding it tacitly hostage since the late 70's and has mined and threatened traffic through it repeatedly. The problem is that iran has been increasing it's capabilities and this was going to happen eventually. I don't know the validity of the intelligence, but apparently it was enough to finally commit to a strike. Everyone knew they were going to hard close the straight the second they started taking hits. No plan survives first contact with the enemy and they've had more than 40 years to dig in. Unless they folded in the first few days this was never going to be like Venezuela. Europe never helps if it absolutely doesn't have to and is always the biggest bunch of cunts that they can be about it. What part of that is confusing?
>>538902024Because they're a gang of fat stupid mercenaries who only care about their Federal Benefits
>>538902024A heavily armed nation more than twice the size of Texas is squatting nearby? Also Iran is a mix of dumb Arab sand niggers and Persians, who are significantly higher in IQ than Arabs. It’s easy to get comfortable watching Arabs screw up constantly until suddenly a Persian steps in and unexpectedly does something competent once before Arabs crowd in again.
>>538902610I say this shit to every dumb mutt cunt I meet irl and they give me the fucking fluoride stare. Turns out pissing off the whole planet means they don't wanna buy your toxic fucking debt!?! GUH
>>538904958>>538905063>>538905085This was proposed in the 50's for creating a second Panama canal. The math is kinda sound, but nowhere near as fast or easy as he makes it out to be. It would still be in striking distance of iran and they would still have a non Rothchild bank and ballistic missile that can hit Tel Aviv. Unfortunately the just leave them alone ship has sailed. This was almost always going to come to blows eventually. If they had an actual justification or not three months ago is a historian problem. The fights on and I don't want boots on the ground.
>mfw i walk into work tomorrow knowing i sold all USO last week
>>538904958>>538905341Thats distance of 2160ft. A Tanker needs a dept of AT LEAST, 66ft, to be on the safe side, lets say 80ft. Tanker are also (biggest ones) are 223 feet Wide The MOAB creates a crater of 280 ft diam., 30 ft. deepCause you have to super impose the explosion, to keep a continue Zone, assuming a 25% Overlap, of the explosions, and to widen the "Canal" so at least 3 times as Wide, for same. Doing some quick math , to make a CanalLong: 2160ftWide: 630ftDeep: 80 ft You will need 100 MOAB.Sure, if we ignore THAT IS A FUCKIN MOUNTAIN THERE. How much do you think it will cost to LEVEL THE MOUNTAIN before you can start bomb digging the canal??God everyone involved in this thing is stupid as fuck.
>>538902428wtf is going on here?
>>538909341The strait was open cause IRAN KNOWS IF THEY CLOSED IT, THE WORLD WILL REK THEM A NEW ONE by the next morning. You are dumb if you think they dont know their stance military AGAINST THE WORLD
>>538902156SPBP
>>538909977He was suggesting resurrecting operation plowshare and using nuclear excavation anon. From a geopolitical standpoint he was being even more retarded that your analysis indicates.https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0013795269900076
>>538906326It's a reference to the smoking caterpillar in Alice in wonderland
you seem to think america has some sort of force field that can eliminate all threats and protect all ships at all timereal life is not a video game, faggot
>>538904479Why not the dam of hormuz?
>>538902024thanks for circling it you fucking simpleton
>>538910147I know, I just skipped the elephant in the room (NUKES) and went with teh second best alternative. under hte most implausible scenario. LOL
>>538902024I don’t know but it’s hilarious
>>538910029But the question was when the other shoe drops on when. If they have a nuke to samson option Europe with it changes the math. I'm not saying I know how close they were, but they certainly had an uncomfortable number of the pieces already. It sounds like Bibi told his orange shabbos in chief it was go time and he did. The problem is that it happened and this is now. If we back off they are just going to be cunts ad infinitum about it. So we have to finish the job and fucking break them. Trump needs to put his big boy depends on and start breaking their country until it can't country anymore and then bring them to the table.
>>538902024The reason is very simple. War is God's ways of teaching us geography.>>538902238Looks like you learned nothing even after getting your ass drilled by the Turkroaches at Gallipoli.>>538902267The USA needs 800k to 1M soldiers bare minimum to even think about invading Iran. Besides, even if they could manage a landing they wouldn't get past the coast and would just become drone sponges and whatever troops there would be very hard to supply. It was always a kosher choice between suicide or humiliation.
>>538902024Why is it even a big deal? Why can’t ships go through Egypt and truck that shht through Saudi Arabia or ship through Istanbul then truck through Ukraine and turkey?
>>538902398Trvke. But that applies to 99% of militaries across the world.
>>538910316IRAN DID NOT HAVE A NUKE. that was part of the deal from the IRAN DEAL, and it was working. There never been credible source that "Iran is close to develop a nuke" Israel been claiming "Iran is 1 year away from developing nukes, they most be stopped" for the last 20 years.
>>538906923Here's a funny concept. Bomb the pipelines and the workers. Nobody will risk going there and insurance companies won't touch it with a 10m pole.
The Netherlands has artificial canals that can be filled during wartime.With bunkers on the sides of them.After the cold war, and before the Ukraine war, everyone was saying they had become useless relics. And could never be useful in a modern war.And now the trenchwars are back. And Ukraine and Russia can't cross a river.
>>538905684Nobody claimed that iran has a navy
>>538910460then why, how, was it destroyed
>>538910384How do all are this stupid is beyond me. How do you propose they "Truck it" How many trucks do you think it will take to empty a cargo ship? to the next available port?IT DOES NOT MATH. Its impermissible expensive.
>>538904005>We've never actually been good at warWDYM? The First American Civil War, was a War of Northern Afgression to Free the White Sex Slaves!https://write.as/0yshqzd1c8mvo.md
>>538902024It can, but Trump doesn't want to start a ground war. Bombs are great at causing damage but they aren't very good at taking and holding territory. He and his advisors know that as soon as we start getting drone camera videos of American soldiers and marines getting blown apart like those dumb ass Ivans, the American electorate will lose their shit and start protesting the end the conflict.
>>538907694US decomissioned pretty much all their demining vessels and Iran has thousands of marine drones who work for area denyal. Ukraine did it with Russia despite having less sea drones and Russia having a much shorter supply chain to keep their navy operating. As of now, Russia is doin exactly the same as the US is doing in Iran and using long range munitions to strike while keeping their ships outside of enemy drone range.The US has a problem Russia doesn't have though. Ukraine can't mine the entire Black Sea so Russia still uses submarines without any problem meanwhile the US can't do that as Iran prob already mines the entire coast and has anti sub patrols with depth charges at the ready.
>>538904204>our historyList of White Supremacist Violence against Muslims who just wanted to have fun with White Sex Slaves. https://write.as/0yshqzd1c8mvo.md
Because Mossad is always watching>https://www.youtube.com/shorts/yMhSvp0u0O4
>>538910423So then it's not Iran hating jews and americans, it's them hating other muslims. Not a good talking point for the left.
>>538902024>SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO MEIt takes longer for the US to take stuff all the way over to that location than IRAN, who is literally right next to itBasically a logistics issue
Imagine having a military more powerful than the rest of the planet combined and still not being able to use it because you need more money lmao.
>>538910474It was destroyed in the first weeks of the war, and they no longer have one. Anything else? They mostly use drones and missiles.
>>538910561For some reason Belgium has more minesweepers than the USA.
Nov 2026 = midterm electionshe's timing it all so that they have a decisive win right before that happens.
>>538910485>How do all are this stupid is beyond me.You got me me there.
>>538910688most of USA "Military" spending is just waste. We Buy new equipement every year from the Military Industrial Complex, said equipment is rarely used or get decomisiones the next year when we buy it again new. then the MIC uses that money to lobby and give paybacks to congress men and pretend military industry in USA is strong and thriving. Its all smoke and mirrors.
>>538910700can you prove it without kike media?pro tip: anything from the military is already kikedyou're stupid goyim nigger anyways, get shot by a pig
>>538910418>>538910418hey have at least 8-10 nukes worth of uranium and the equipment to take it to 90%. Neither you or I have anything near the information that the people that briefed Trump had or have. And none of that maters now because the fights on. We either seed the straight and pax Americana with it to goatfuckers or take the gloves off. You can piss and moan about coulda shoulda woulda, but that's all past fucking tense. The question is now what? Quit and loose everything or, sack up and break them.
>>538908102I remember this and /k/ was in shambles years ago. Better example would be Blackwater when they got hung on a bridge.>>538908286I wonder how much these cost, but yeah this is a better approach than a dedicated mining ship but a mine clearing ship is still probably needed.
>>538911050Again, OBAMA had a plan in place AND IT WAS WORKING. Of course they have Uranium, YOU NEED THOSE FOR NUCLEAR PLANTS.3rd time just so teh retards on the back can hear.THERE IS NO CREDIBLE EVIDENCE THAT IRAN WAS EVEN CLOSE TO HAVE NUKES. Go peddle your Israel talking points somewhere else. If Trump has LEGITS info and reason to attack IRAN, they would have disclosed it already.
>>538902024Simple explanation: Mismanagement.
>>538910662This isn't a Marvel movie. >>538910714Indeed.
>>538904403You don't have to keep it, you just need to push their shit in so hard that they won't want to fight anymore.
>>538911246aham, and (without saying NUKE), how do you plan for that happen?
>>538910561We use drones and helicopters with retractable boom sensors. The ships that got withdrawn were relics.
>>538911293By doing exactly what Ukraine is doing, targeting strategic infrastructure that will collapse the iranian economy. You need to do it with drones because they are cheap and repairing anything they would target costs far more than the drones, which makes you more likely to maintain the will to fight than them.
>>5389114171) Ukraine is defending itself2) Ukraine is NEXT TO RUSSIA.1-b) USA IS THE AGGRESSOR 2-b) open google maps and see where is IRAN and where is Russia.
>>538910662Muslims all hate each other anyway, just slightly less than non-muslims. Them getting their pipelines and crews blown up by missiles won't change that, it hasn't since explosives were introduced into the region.
>>538911478Use your allies to manufacture, ship and use the drones then, why is Israel not contributing at that?
>>538911300A retarded concept especially under fire. It would make more sense to just use some drone to blow it up but even that that only accounts for 2 types of mines. The navy just assumed that stand off munitions would be enough to wipe out shore defenses and they would have all the time they needed to create a corridor to the shore.
>>538902024It's straight and our cuntry is overtaken by lgbtq+
>>538911556What part of USA IS THE AGRESSOR is your brain refusing to process?
>>538911622Iran sponsor terror groups, i don't think the U.S. is an aggressor here.
>>538911666Your mom is a terror group and you are retarded.
>>538904018>Actual cook at home food that doesn't come from whole goodsthis has been debunked. beef and chicken are still way up. we buy a bag of cheap chicken parts for our dogs every other day and even thats up
>>538911622>>538911666It's a meaningless point to argue. The US was the agressor in all wars it fought excluding the civil war. War is politics by other means, so who is agressor or defender is a matter of perspective and only matters if you are swayed by propaganda not by facts. Weapons are amoral they don't care if you have the moral upper hand or not.
>>538911737Cope
>>538911737You are a state sponsor of terror. Terrible posting that is.
>>538902024Its simple mathematics. Iran cant hurt usa but usa can hurt Iran. There is no sense putting extra risk on anybody when you can just bomb iran and iran can only respond via tiktok and twitter bots
>>538904374holy copetactical nukes I know cod modern warfare 2 was propaganda (albeit fun propaganda) but you didnt have to take it like you take dicks (extremely deep)
>>538902382>noooo you NEED to let violent terrorists make nukes that they told you they will use on you JUST BEFUCKING CAUSE OFUCKINGK????????
>>538902024Why not just escort all boats and play a real life MMO quest where guys riding in machine gun turrets shoot drones? That I never understood.
realistically they'll run out of muslims to throw at the meat grinder at some point
>>538911293I'm really hoping (I know the cruelest of the curses) that the sandniggers overstuffed the bunkers and we can overpressure one or several of the launch gallies and chain detonate munitions internally. They can't store their stockpiles anywhere else and if we cut off their above ground logistics and power how long can they actually stay down there? I seriously question their claims. Also if israel has to take some hits it won't hurt my feelings. They literally had mossad sniper teams killing us in Iraq for years to bend public sentiment and keep us in the war for them and they thought it was hilarious. They more than fucking deserve it when they strong armed us into this.
>>538902024We could but it would mean a heavy lose of Irian lives and it would amount to genocide. Some people wouldn't care but Trump doesn't want that as a legacy.
>>538911767Iran sponsors mass immigration and directly supports Russian imperialism nevermind their cult of mohammed which supports large scale ethnic cleansing from north africa to anatolia not your strongest argument to make by claiming they are some defensive country
>>538902700Still high on that win 20 years later huh
>>538902700>EU submarineAnd France, Belgium, uk, Germany, spain, italy, Netherlands, Sweden, and Ireland destroyed their countties and are confirmed muslim majority by 2040
>>538902024We should tell the Marines this is their Iwo Jima and they need to take that hill. 2 weeks and it's done.
>>538902024Can't wait to see how much better amerilards will be at shotgunning drones from under their jewish cope netsHoorah homos
>>538911883Wrong. The US supports mass immigration because a weaker Europe means a stronger US this is also why Eastern and Central Europe is always swayed against Russia since pretty much the 1800s.If Central Europe and Eastern Europe had independent foreign policies those would naturally gravitate towards central european industry using Eurasian energy and raw materials while Eastern Europe acts a cultural transition zone this would negate sea routes (especially the Suez Canal) as Europe and Eurasia would be connected by rail.This was theorized Sir Halford McKinder and has been the underlying motto behind sea based powers such as the British Empire or the American Empire. Morality plays no part in state politics only shared or opposing interests.
>>538911580Why the fuck am I even bothering with a favela monkey? I fucking said we use drones The helicopter has the expensive ass sensor on it and it dips it in the water to find the mines. The bigger drone boats do the same for exactly this kind of scenario. They have specialized munitions for the mines once they are identified. Supposedly their submarine and naval mine stockpiles have been effectively neutralized, but we'll have to see about that. Notionally it's just a mater of sweeping for what's out there. I question if a Shaheed can target something as small as a minesweeping drone and every time they send out fast boats they get shwacked. So again time will tell.
>1pbtid>>538902156The strait has nothing to do with Israel. Keeping it open is for the benefit of the US and other countries, like European countries. How many American deaths are you ready to give up for Europe and Arab countries, seeing that they won't lift a finger?>>538904084It's a nice idea, but very inefficient. You don't need all that manpower. Computer vision can detect these launches. Computer vision can also require less quadrants of larger areas.If you do a frame subtraction of a mostly static scenery, every sharp change in the image will register as a blip.
>>538912099False. Iran supports mass immigration as doctrine compels them to just like their prophet mohammed who led one of bloodiest invasions in all human history on same level of destruction as genghis khan. >this is also why Eastern and Central Europe is always swayed against Russia since pretty much the 1800We are fighting russia since before USA was even a thought in the world also Russians are HUGE supporters of mass immigration directly supporting mass migration to both europe and Russia (putin is world's first leader who signed a open borders pact with several African countries as well as india). Its very little surprise iran, who supports large migration programs against non Muslims also supports russia. Nobody wants to do business with russia because they work to undermine others nations while trying to use mass immigration to destroy peoples homes
>>538911932Serbia's still bragging about the F-117. It's all they have. I legitimately think the iranians are banking on the bolshecrats retaking the house and senate so that they will end hostilities and impeach Trump. If that doesn't happen then they are fucked eventually. I say better sooner than later. Fuck them until they full blown quit for real this time.
>>538911883>>538912099Again. Want to understand geopolitics focus on the GEO part. Geography is the biggest tell tale of the interests of a country. Since you are in Eastern Europe the best course of action for a country like yours is armed neutrality. The absolute best case scenario for Poland and Baltic States would be to become indispensible to both West and East while having nuclear weapons. You would become basically create a corridor for free trade and between east and west while providing legal framework to hide grey market transactions and money laundering, kinda like how Switzerland used to do before the EU killed it. Any other course of action will fuck you in the ass long time either Russia or some other Western nation will make sattelite you.>>538912205Stop being emotional and read my comment again. I said this doctrine was created by the British Empire and inherited by the US. There is no place for emotion on geopolitics unless you want to be a pawn.>>538912145I acknoledged the drones and said they would only work for 2 kinds of mines I even attached the picture to ilustrate what I was saying. I don't get why you have your panties in a knot. What did you expected me to say? That the US demining strategy is flawless and perfect when it's clearly fucking not?
>>538902024>cancel project sundial...>If built and detonated, Sundial would have created a fireball up to 50 kilometers (30 miles) in diameter, instantly igniting everything within 400 kilometers (250 miles) and causing a magnitude 9 earthquakeWhy has no one dropped it?
>>538912205Oh and btw, you're mistaking Iran for Saudi Arabia and other whabbi nation. Iran isn't expansionist they were themselves invaded by Muslims.The countries who sponsor mass imigration the most are the USA and Israel. The migrants that try to cross Poland from Belarus are sent by Turkey into the Caucasus. Granted, Russia and Belarus should just shoot them instead of letting them try to cross the border but alas, 4th gen war is like this.
>>538905586>You USE a 1.5M ICBM>Minuteman III Sustainment: Modern annual maintenance and sustainment costs for the legacy fleet are estimated at $25 million per missile per year.Bruh 1.5 mill if fucking only. Don't get me started on the Hypersonic conventional 18-45 million a pop BTW. Absolute madness.
>>538912347Russia seeks to install a multiracial globohomo regime run by a mixed race cabal of bureaucrats and other cuckolds like the jewish kgb officer abd putins mentor yevgeny finkelstein primakov wrote about. Their goal is to pump nations full of migrants and then invade them. The only pawn is you trying to defend islam and russia
>>538902024just nuke Tehran already. I'm so tired of this shit.
>>538912449We just attacked a muslim ngo in my city money led to iran please stop lying. Iran also supports islamification and openly funds Islamic militants groups
I don't get it. in ww2 when we were fighting germany we completely destroyed their ability to wage war. we blew up their railroads, we blew up their powerplants, we blew up their factories. why can't we do that with iran?
>>538912507I'm not defending anybody. I'm merely stating facts and that Russian goals are quite clear they want to be respected as a global player while keeping strategic buffer between Central Europe and their geopolitical axis. If you really care to know my political stance, it would be whatever preserves white people.Russia has it's flaws and merits just like Poland or Germany. If you can't see nuance and think only in absolutes you are behaving like a child.
>>538906515Notionally we have to care about collateral. Iran does collateral on purpose. There shit gets to be cheap ours doesn't. Although we've significantly brought down the cost of a lot of it. I'm still fucking pissed we didn't have SPAAG guarding our radar bases in the region. That only makes sense if we wanted to get it blown up to strongarm congress into buying us new ones. When were those AWACS supposed to have been replaced again?
>>538912659They want to exterminate Slavs and replace us with low iq migrants for their multiculti cabal and create slaves out of planet for their oligarchy. The only nuance is that theyre a more advanced form of leftist vision for EU but thankfully russia are going extinct so my children may know peace when they get older as globohomo russia will be no more. Then we will just need to wage war against islam as they are heavily invading Europe as they have always done since mohammeds invasions
>>538912507The faster you understand that you can't defeat Russia just like Russia can't defeat NATO the faster you will be able to focus on what truly matters instead of this kosher fucking wars. Ukraine and Germany did way worse to your people than Russia ever did and you don't hate them with nearly as much passion has you hate Russians. If that doesn't tell you that your impotent rage is being weaponized by propaganda I don't know how to explain it to you.Anyway. I'm going to bed now, it's nearly 3am. GN
>>538902024same reason why russia cant take ukraine
>>538902024because we haven't learned how to use our new laser weapons systems to blind an entire coastline yet
>>538904084>Realtime satellite observation of every square inch of IranThis is beyond America's capability>Deliver MOAB inside Iran's airspaceThis is beyond America's capability>Penetrate Iranian missile bunkersThis is beyond America's capabilityYou're also ignoring that Iran patrols the strait with speedboats, has mines, and can control the strait with short ranger missile and artillery and drones and submersibles. It's not an EZPZ problem for America to solve, it's actually impossible. The only way America could take control of the strait is by taking control of the land adjacent to the strait about 30 miles deep.
>>538912751russia is a modern invention, a very weak copy of the soviet empire which collapsed under its own corruption ans putins demographic replacement mass immigration inside of russia has radically changed whole culture since 2015. Soviet boomers are all dropping dead and indians Afghanistanis central asians ans africans are replacing them.
>>538902024Taking it and holding it are two different things. You just failed to escort through a couple of tankers.
>>538904131>Take out their drone/missile launchers and it's over.America isn't able to do that.>>538904374>the South was saved from northern conquestSouth Korea voted to join North Korea, so the US deployed death squads to murder several hundred thousand SorKs. The North attacked US occupiers in an attempt to rescue their brothers. America did not gain anything, despite this being a good example of an American military victory.>Vietnam wasn't a military defeatThe Tet Offensive was a decisive military victory which forced out the US in a rout. Hence evacuating the embassy by helicopter.>GWOT wasn't a military defeatRetarded take.>US Nukes would have settled things in hoursUnless you mean genociding the entire population and deploying American colonists, no it would not have settled things. Shock and Awe failed.
>>538904672Oh no, China cant get their oil! Glad we have so many commies in the US to come to their defense and fight for their well being, so they can continue to produce more biological weapons to unleash on innocent citizens of America and their crops. Lets put Biden back in office so they can survey the land with observation balloons too!
>>538911138>I wonder how much these costBest not to ask>but yeah this is a better approach than a dedicated mining ship but a mine clearing ship is still probably needed.Not really but I was unsurprisingly disappointed in the answer being comically wasteful. We blow up a 100K submersible drone along with the $5K mine instead of laying a charge on it and withdrawing the drone. God forbid some Seaman has to RC C4 them with pickrel and save the taxpayers $99K. Fucking ridiculous.
>>538902024Americans are weak cowards. That's why the US relies on bombing everyone, because Americans don't have the strength or balls to fight ground wars.
>>538912750Retarded fucking take. Russians are slavs, nearly indistinguishable from you both genetically and culturally. Besides, if not by the Russians there would be no slavs as it was Oleg of Novgorod who first united the slavic tribes, counteracted Sweden, Prussia and later Germany. You spit on your own people and history betraying yourself over nothing.>>538912833I'm talking about geopolitics spanning centuries here. If you want to bash Putin be my guest I don't care but it seems childish in the scope of what we were talking about it makes you sound like a woman who Putin fucked and didn't call the next day. Broaden your mind a little. The Russia of today is the direct product of the coup made by Germany and the UK against the Czar just like modern Poland is a much inferior version to what it once was. The entire European sphere from Vladivostok to Lisbon is a lesser version of what it once was again, ask who benefits adn you will find the UK and the USA not Russia and yet you don't see them as enemies because you have been indoctrinated.Now I'm really going to bed.
>>538902200woah
>>538912979>because Americans don't have the strength or balls to fight ground wars.your precious honorubru fearless warrior goatfuckers rely entirely on missiles and drones
>>538904680>Just keep launching rockets at their shit.More than half of all human manufacturing is in the China-Iran-Russia alliance. Something like 90% of rocket motor manufacturing is in that alliance. You are a dumb fuck retard.>We should be shelling the shit out of them with naval artillery and tomahawks and never relenting.The US Navy cannot approach close enough to do that, and the VLCC loading docks got blown up, so the Navy would have to sail out of theater to rearm between salvos. The Tomahawks all got used in the first month. They're gone and they had a 20% failure rate anyway.> can't seem to figure out what beach the fast boats are parked onThey're stored in underground tunnels>and what coordinates a missile came from?Underground bunkers that US munitions can't penetrate.>Everybody on gibs should be working in a missile factory.Your plan is to outproduce China's automated lines by having niggers make missiles artisinally? That's what the US already does.>USA military is operating at 1% capacityNo, this is the full capability of the US Mulatto Daycare.
>>538902024Define "take." Realistically we control the waterway and never haven't. The problem is Iran can use cheap drone to take pot shots at boats that pass through. It's the classic security problem. We need to be right 100% of the time; they only need to be right once.
>>538904796>Are you suggesting that Iran can outspend the US military?Iran doesn't need money to win. America needs money to win. That's why Iran has nearly 1000x the missiles that the US has on 1% the budget.
>>538904958The funny part is that if you spent the $2T or whatever it would cost to do this, Iran would still be able to target the tankers with precision missiles and drones.
>>538904816>I just want to vaporize some sand niggersPersians are White. Look at where the caucasus is on a map.
the strait is literally open, just pay in another currency mongoloids
>>538911417Drones aren't a universal solution to everything anon. SDB's are much more reliable and not that much more expensive in the scheme of things.
>>538902200smart guy
>>538902024>MILITARYbig mistake.
>>538905422>Where is the geosynchronous satellite radar system monitoring their entire airspace linked to a missile cruiser/destroyer with shells loaded ready to go? Boots on the ground my dickYou dramatically overestimate America's capabilities. The Shahed has a range of 2000km and can be launched from a small rack anywhere, including a truck. Naval artillery has a range of ~27km, and the US Navy cannot closely approach Iran's shore for fear of shaheds and anti-ship missiles and speedboats and land based artillery.
>>538906106>a shell from a navy ship or a hellfire from a predator droneAmerica and Israel lost more than 200 drones in the first month of the conflict. The US cannot safely operate inside of Iran's airspace, let alone with impunity. Naval Artillery is a non-factor since the Navy cannot safely sail near Iran's coast. That's why the USN is hiding in the gulf of Iran and failing to protect ships that cross the strait without authorization. That's why US ships keep having to leave theater for repairs caused by "laundry fires." Shaheds have a range of thousands of kilometers. You're not returning fire in real time, even if you're lucky enough to watch the launch site with a satellite.
>>538913122Pretty sure the Tomahawks are largely getting phased out for newer missiles. Supposedly we can make the new ones cheaper and faster. We have some like the PJDAM guidance package for our glide bombs that are ready to field now. https://nationalsecurityjournal.org/can-low-cost-weapons-save-the-u-s-running-out-of-missiles-in-the-next-war/
>>538902700europoors always bring up this event, but they don't mention the part where the US contracted the whole Gottland crew afterwords for 2 years of training together.
>>538910316>weThere's no we. You're just goycattle who feels a moral responsibility to double down on every order given to you by your Jewish masters.
>>538905063>just bomb things, thats the solution to everything!Please take away Trump's Konosuba copy.
>>538911050>Neither you or I have anything near the information that the people that briefed Trump had or haveAll of America's intelligence agencies agreed that Iran was not developing a nuke. IAEA had cameras in all of their enrichment facilities and were allowed surprise inspections, as were American inspectors. Iran's religious leaders enforced a Fatwah against developing nuclear weapons.>We either seed the straight and pax Americana with it to goatfuckers or take the gloves off.Iran is one of the most educated nations in the world. Persians are White. America began the war by mass bombarding civilian targets and the Secretary of War declared publicly that there are no rules of engagement. There are no gloves to take off, the US started the conflict with a surprise attack on children and hospitals in daylight hours to maximize casualties. You fundamentally don't know anything about the subject you're mouthing off about.
>>538902024It may require far more than simply taking the area around the straits, the entire Iranian coastline may need to be captured. I'm confident though that Maga people-strong patriotic men that will volunteer and don't even need to be drafted can get this done. All hail Trump voters! I have full confidence in Maga that they can do this. MAGA! AWOO! WOMP! WOMP!
>>538911417>By doing exactly what Ukraine is doingYour plan for victory is to mimic the other war that America is losing? Do what the country that's lost 2.4 Million men is doing?>collapse the iranian economyIran is a strategic ally of China and Russia. They just won't let Iran fall. And since they have a land and lake border with Iran, they can just decide to ship it everything it needs. This assumes that the US actually has the capacity to destroy Iran's utilities. In the mena time, Iranian retalliation can return the favor on Israel and the entire Gulf Coast. Then what?>which makes you more likely to maintain the will to fight than them.America does not have the will to fight. You will not break the will of the Persians.
>>538913644And what happens to all of our pacific allies when the straight stays closed or is forced to pay jizya to use it dumb fuck. I don't like that this is happening (other than india getting butfucked by it) But it's happening and I genuinely think that we the country that started it (there's no word for accountability in hebrew they aren't going to help) need to finish it or end up being way worse of for obeying bibi and kicking this off. I not even denying that it might have been a huge fuck up to start it when we did, but we did and now "we" need to finish it. I fucking hate the kikes and know what we are to them, but that doesn't change where we are now.
>>538910929calm down ackmed
>>538911832>nukes that they told you they will use on younever happened>you NEED to let violent terrorists make nukesNever was going to happen>>538911842>Why not just escort all boatsAll of the boats that have been blown up trying to cross the strait were told that they were being escorted by the US Navy. That's why they risked it.>>538913124>Realistically we control the waterwayCan the US sail through it? Can the US protect someone else sailing through it? Can the US stop Chinese flagged ships from sailing through it? Can the US administer a toll system like Trump wants? No to all.>We need to be right 100% of the time; they only need to be right once.So far Iran wins 100% and the US 0%. Also the US lost its naval land assets in the region. Couldn't defend those either. Also its early warning radars and thaad and patriot systems and air strips.
>>538904084>unironically suggesting to put soldiers on every square inch then bomb their position if theyre in troubleHoly shit armchair commander
>>538913577The US MIC will prevent it from being low cost. If you're referring to the NGLAW, those aren't expected to exist for another 2 years and the US won't manufacture them at the speed that China, Russia, or Iran do.
>>538913769Iaea hadn't been allowed in Iran since last year.> America began the war by mass bombarding civilian targets Save your pear clutching for your faggot commie slam poetry circle. We hit one misidentified target. They indiscriminately target civilians and use their own people as human shields and also openly kill dissidents by the tens of thousands. Fucking spare me faggot. I don't trust either iran or or israel on the mater and king niggers sacred deal wasn't worth the paper it was signed on. Believe whatever you want. I do actually believe they were working towards more than just one. How close to completing it. I do noy honestly know, but this was most likely happening eventually. Better now than when they are better equipped.
>>538913898>And what happens to all of our pacific alliesAmerica will lose its vassals to China sooner rather than later. They'll pay the Jizyuan and it will be better for them than American abuses ever were.>Accountability means the US has to double down on serving the JewsNot really. The US can just bring the troops home and pay reparations. That would be the best way out of this.>"we">"need">"finish"You can't define an endpoint that the US can realistically accomplish, and there's no need for America to do anything here. You're just trying to stretch into knots to pretend that America gains something by serving Jewish interests. It doesn't. This actually harms America spiritually and materially to participate in Israel's aggression against Iran.
>>538913855>You will not break the will of the PersiansI couldn't place it earlier, but sandniggers it is.
>>538914211Why are you in the US when your homeland is under attack muhammad?
>>538914130>Iaea hadn't been allowed in Iran since last year.Yeah because the US tore up the JCPOA.>We hit one misidentified target.The US targeted 12 schools, several hospitals, and the Red Crescent building. The first attack on Minab did not have mass casualties. The second, a double tap as part of the same salvo, secured the kills. The Secretary of War has repeatedly said there are no rules of engagement and the US is uninterested in following the Geneva Convention.>They indiscriminately target civiliansIran does not do this.>and use their own people as human shieldsIran has never done this.>and also openly kill dissidents by the tens of thousands.There were roughly 2k fatalities during that mossad operation, mostly civilians murdered by Mossad and the ISIS members they rallied to that cause. The IRGC did not kill tens of thousands of dissidents, you're just believing lies fed to you by Ari Hoffman and Lars Larsen.>don't trust either iran or or israelIran honors its diplomacy.>king niggers sacred deal wasn't worth the paper it was signed onIran honored the deal and provided the global community with the assurance that Iran was not developing a nuke.>I do actually believe they were working towards more than just one.If you don't trust Israel then why do your views align with Mossad and no one else's?> this was most likely happeningThe only people on Earth claiming this are Israel. That's your source of information and who you trust unconditionally. You do trust Israel, but you pretended not to earlier in this post. Why?
>>538914329>>538914372It seems very important to you that everyone believe Israel's claims about the Aryan Nation uncritically. Why?
>>538914501Who the fuck said anything about Aryans?... >Oh iran Might as well add jeets in there too faggot. For the reccord if it wouldn't make America the new kike capital I would support iran nuking israel and getting fucking glassed in return. But they wouldn't just build one and the next nuke would be aimed at Europe. >Uncritically. You have very selective reading comprehension. I said I belive they were working towards having nukes and had most of what they needed to make and deploy one. I admitted I don't know how close they actually were. I also said that I don't think that is the only justification. They were trading black-market oil for arms. It's better to hit them now than when it's even more costly to do so. Also fuck all semites. I hope you all die.
>>538902024Because you want a war where nobody dies. You people think like a video game.
>>538914409You should guest host on the view. Wholly shit no.
>>538914969I want a war where as few Americans die as possible and my nations enemies get fucked as hard as possible. I'm not super busted up about the kikes taking a couple of missile strikes for dragging us into this either. ( I don't consider them allies)
