>extremely important milestone>highly anticipated event>high profile happening>it's a government project with government funding, not some private oneAnd yet>no 4k camera>no multi camera setup from multiple angle>0 live streaming>only closeup video is from a phone recording the screen directly as the CCTV capture plays backWHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM?
>>538912228What am I looking at
>>538912281China needing 10x the space to "catch" a rocket that SpaceX didn't need..This is like throwing a basketball in a pool and claiming you are the best in the NBA.
>>538912228>no multiple camera angles>posts journalist video from 4th camera angle screen instead of the usual 1st and 2nd drone camera angle from the newsEven Amimuttlands billion dollar grand army of MUTTIDF shills suffering from competency crisis to the point you cant tell they are just pretending to be so obviously mentally retarded to bait for replies or just gotten too dumb to lie.
>>538912281Chink reusable rocket (supposedly)
>>538912351i hate chicoms as much as the next red blooded american but to play devil's advocate, who cares how they do it as long as they do it cheaper and effectively, right? but yes, something seems off with all of this. last year's deep seek moment proved to me that the entire chinese civilization will collude in market manipulation of usa markets so long as they can make a buck and destroy our reputation. when you are as obsessed with someone the way china is with us, then you can do a lot of damage
>>538912228the livestreamed it on weibo and no one cared. the video had music which is entirely AI generated.
>>538912228why the fuck are webms so hard to play now
>>538912719They're not?The problem is on your end
>>538912351it's called not wasting money for getting the same result.
>>538912351landing legs add a lot of mass to the rocket, this system is better, its also why they moved to the chopsticks for starship instead of landing legs
>>538914498It's also far more scalable both up and down in terms of payload to orbit, massive rockets are way more expensive and not needed unless you're putting a schoolbus into GEO or something
>>538914498This. Also ne srreaming because it's a rest and test go wrong sometimes. No 4k because spacex will try to streal the tech. A company that just took all existing tech and presented it as it's own will try to do it.
>>538914498>they moved to the chopsticks for starship instead of landing legsThey did that because ground effect is a bitch to deal with. The starships trying to land by themselves simply blew up, so they went one step back and decided to build a catching contraption.MUH SOICENCE worshippers aren't very smart, so they don't understand the basic fact that needing anything more than a flat field for landing is a regression.You don't have a giant clamp landing platform on Mars. Reusability got sold to us with the prospect of landing on another planet and being able to launch there again.... you aren't going to achieve it like this.Chinks never bothered with fighting ground effect. In fact, even their launch pads have much more empty room underneath to avoid any possibility of blasting against the ground outright.
The wires are clever I’ll give them that.>>538915138Could build the landing thing on mars. Send some construction rovers, put it together.
china will always be cheaper because they dont need to pay some pajeet 400k usd to push a button
>>538912228I remember amateur spaceflight enthusiasts proposing similar cable-catch concepts years ago, even with 3D animations.It was always considered plausible but with questionable stability, especially at sea.Also it has trouble scaling to larger rockets, and lacks the ability to restack the rocket. Chopsticks is a better system long-term.
there are no future investors or shareholders to impressamerica mogged again
>>538912228>Phone recording>Thinks someone sat with a phone under a rocket landingLmao
>>538915596The cables clearly move.to the rocket dimension. What is larger considered to you? The frame also lifts for larger sizes.
>>538912228They posted plenty of high quality images and videos and streamed the whole thing. I don't know what the issue you are having is.
>>538912351if i am not mistaken the idea behind the tower catch is that the rocket can be refueled on the tower stacked with a new top section and sent off flying from that very same tower in one operation i am not seeing that with that wire catching method but i am convinced that this wire catching method everyone is getting all wet about is not the chinese answer to reusabilityi assume this method is used to be able to salvage the rocket and learn from its state instead of having it explode in the ocean and or desertwhat is demonstrated here is capability its the "becasue i can" answer on the "why" question they simply can build a massive ship that is a dunk on the barges that the americans usethey simply can build a massive towering structure on that ship with this novel wire catch apparatus ontop and they simply can just land their version of the reusable rocket in their own net thing on their own shipwhat this is saying is that there is a competitor on the block and that spacex will not have a monopoly on heavy cargo transports from earth to space and the other way around this is great news for humanity i love both cant wait to see how the chinese are going to iterate and do the rapid refuelling and reusing part btw spaceX starship next launch is scheduled to take place in roundbaout 48 to 72 hours
>>538915289>Could build the landing thing on mars. Send some construction rovers, put it together.The flight time to mars is 6 months and remote controlling anything there has a latency of 30min.The rovers would have to completely autonomously build together your landing contraption. A process that needs energy as well.Is that really easier than making the rocket able to land on a flat surface?Maybe it is, but then the Chinese scaffolding with ropes approach seems easier to stitch together than the SpaceX clamp. The clamp may need more energy and foundational work.But i am just speculating with that. The fact that we see those landing contraptions because fighting the ground is hard, is a given though.
>>538915596>I remember amateur spaceflight enthusiasts proposing similar cable-catch concepts years ago, even with 3D animations.Because aircraft carriers use cables to catch jets for decades now.So using cables to catch a rocket is just a logic development. You don't need much creativity, we already know that the concept works.
>>538916006>if i am not mistaken the idea behind the tower catch is that the rocket can be refueled on the tower stacked with a new top section and sent off flying from that very same tower in one operationdesu I think this is retarded, would you really trust your payload to something turned around like this with no maintenance/testing? it seems to me that China can easily build 10 or 20 of these things and launch every week within a few years.It's like how Tesla's self-driving works ok in general contexts but has also had an unpleasant habit of driving a vehicle straight into the back of a semi truck that was painted the wrong color or something.
>>538916222i dont think its retardedits a different approach also your assumptions are vague do you know there will be no maintenance / testing ( i assume by that you mean checks between relaunches ? ) i doubt that there are / will be none other than that i agree with you that if there were none that would be reckless, which is why i doubt that with such a operation (rocketry and its implications) there will be none. china has the advantage that they can use the proof of concept that the americans are delivering in order to push assets and funds on this endeavour, the americans were hesitant because nobody has proven the viability until spaceX worked hard to make the effort. spaceX driven by Musk is the pioneer in that, no questions asked, but ask yourself this, would the chinese push / have pushed time, materials, and effort into building their version of the rocket without the americans doing the first step ? now its a racenow sure what you tried to convey with your tesla example there, its a new technology and built on "computer vision" interfacing this with the VAST amount of flexible/ever changing variations of real world is no small feat, even if "invisible" vor the most part because software, making the vision detect all possible situations requires a lot of data, pushing it early into real life appliance was the best way to gain this data, since they got most of it they are running it on itself in simulations, which is when it started to become extremely safe, basically waterproof like a nuclear submarine
>>538912228Give them a break. This is what 100% of publically available nasa footage looked like until spacex hit the scene and got their starlink network up and running. You fags are spoiled as fucking shit by the quality of the footage spacex works to make possible. As recently as a decade ago once a rocket was outside of the effective range of ground based cameras the best you were going to get was 15fps mini dv quality video. If that.Obviously engineering grade capture existed but that rarely if ever ended up anywhere near public eyes for obvious reasons.
>>538917393>also your assumptions are vague Well yes I am bedposting so not making a detailed effort>do you know there will be no maintenance / testing ( i assume by that you mean checks between relaunches ? )I feel they will cut corners, that is Musk's whole ethos (eg Grok is run out of a data center that is powered by highly polluting gas turbines, but he got an exception to local pollution laws by buttering up the right politicians.I do have real doubts about the structural integrity of catching, refitting, and relaunching the rockets on the same tower>would the chinese push / have pushed time, materials, and effort into building their version of the rocket without the americans doing the first step ?oh probably not, second mover advantage is a thing>now sure what you tried to convey with your tesla exampleagain about Musks's business practices, they oversold the capabilities and suppressed relevant safety data. Now Musk is far from alone in such practices, corporate cheating is normalized and things lik th vw emissions cheating is just as bad.
>>538916166You don't need rovers you just need a different landing system for the first loads to do a small base and those people there will build the landing pad. This system allows for fast reusability later on when everything is in place. This is simply a first step in any case, they'll end up adopting the legs with time.
>>538912228They copied everything from spacex including the terrible cameras when landing.
>>538915885>why is an amerimutt slide thread lying to justify its own existenceAmerimutts going through bad time with the failed cargo cult anniversary, floods downing Amerimutts, drone attacks on american bases, that dead warmonger faggot, collapsing skyscrapers and now the spicksX stock rugpull got ruined, so the daily quota of China cope spam was raised.
>>538918101hmmm i think they are doing it in a controlled way and as such i see that it is necessary to be done, what you call cheating.we have the possibility to push this revolutionary technology and become the leader in that market, some sacrifices have to be risked, in the end its not negligence that would make it a malicious scammy operation, they worked and still work continuously, and they honestly produce real world facts by pushing the technology, in these efforts there always was reluctance by the established ways, of course they will cut down on things that become redundant, once the system is operating safe you only need so much oversight, its like a "well oiled machine" where you have a empiric dataset that allows you to adjust the maintenance schedule, from having to monitor the machine operation every hour, to every day, to once a week, to once a month, and so on... anyways, sleep well
>>538912351It's literally better since you don't need landing legs. Saving on mass for your launch vehicle is extremely important.
>>538916085bet you think Elon is grifting ai and robutts for shit and giggles it's much easier (and it will happen earlier) to send them instead of people if you want to build something on Mars, not just walk there for a couple of minutes and stick merican flag
