If the United States is not dependent on foreign oil, and the war in Iran is actually not for oil, but "the jews", like you all claim, then why did the price of oil skyrocket when we closed the strait of hormuz?oh right, because the United States is fully dependent on middle eastern oil, which is why all of our imperialism there (including our zionism) exists, and you people operate by gaslighting the public over this basic fact, in order to divert the blame away from yourselves and on to your convenient scapegoat, "the jews".
Why did inflation go up through the roof, the moment we lost our access to even a portion of middle eastern oil, then? oh right, everything you people post here is pro-establishment bullshit, dressed up as populism, in which you just push the blame for your own crimes on to "the leftists" or "the jews".
>>538917940Market exploitation and manipulation
>>538917940Reasons for (((oil oligarchs))) to raise prices. Gas station chains report record profits while they cry about a crisis
>>538918037"Market exploitation and manipulation", this is your gaslight you're trying to sell the public now? The price of oil went up because the strait of hormuz was closed, and the global supply was constrained. how are you even going to gaslight the public over this fact after everything we just lived through, and why do your politics here on /pol/ predicate themselves upon denying every basic fact about our world?
>>538917940Fucking hell, you didn't make your point enough times in the previous thread tonight? Get to bed, retard, it is in fact the jews.
>>538917940Powerful people place bets. The bets are made based on foundational facts. Putins bet: “I can cheaply arm the enemies of Israel, and get a high return in terms of ‘US destabilization.”Bettors on oil futures: “I can bet on the United States to destabilize Iran on behalf of Israel.”These are good bets, it’s nothing personal. There are some Jews who also bet on the latter.
>>538918136Forgot pic:
>>538918116How much bullshti can you sell to the public, people? The price of oil went up because the strait of hormuz closed, and that caused the supply to be constained, and literally everyone knows this because we just lived through it. and the whole thing just represents 1 more glaring contradiction on your rhetoric, which clearly makes no fucking sense to anyone who pauses and thinks for 2 brief seconds about any of it.
>>538918136>>538918156why can't you answer?
>>538918142Bets of US M.I.C.“We can make these weapons expensive as fuck, and the military will still buy them, because defending the Jewish state is non-negotiable.”
>>538918142The price of oil went up because the straight of hormuz closed, and that caused the supply to become constrained. This isn't a debatable fact. It's was a very public event we all just witnessed with our own 2 eyes, you propagandizing bastards.
>>538918179people bet on oil because donald trump has to appease the jew netanyahu.it’s not complicated, you don’t need to be a homosexual.
>>538918203>>>538918136>>>538918156>why can't you answer?PS, I told you, when you gaslight me with your obvious bullshit, you just motivate me to make more threads.
>>538918237No, and if you're all going to push this bullshit then I'm going to begin talking about the price of physical oil, and how that went up even higher which proves the speculation was actually moving in the opposite direction from what you're pretending. You're not going to win here, why don't you just face the facts?
>>538917940Why can’t it be both?
>>538918237>>538918142>>538918136>>538918116>>538918037physical oil, want me to begin discussing physical oil? And how the price for was higher than all of the market futures? which proves the speculation was actually moving in the opposite direction, to what you're pretending? you want to push this lie? why not just admit to what you're doing here and admit to your filthy lies?
>>538918262i’m not following you.in practical terms, we should support green energy.
>>538918179Oil is 80 bucks faggot. Prices go up like its $200
>>538918279because its for oil, because oil is what the united states relies upon for its entire existence and function, and you're wages these wars for oil, and then trying to use the jews as scapegoats to cover-up your own war.
>>538917940Because all "your" oil has been bought by the rich and stocks and are sold on the international market, that's why, USA doesn't need middle east oil, but the international trade sets the price, welcome to capitalism.
>>538918129>global supply was constrainedSir. You are on /pol/, economics 101 and logic do not apply here.
>>538918312why would you post this completely verbal gibberish response, which does not address my post or points, in any fashion?
>>538918317sounds like a really fucking easy solution for jews: leave the middle east.
>>538918347You don't deserve a effort post for kvetching like a inbred yod
>>538918317Ok but that’s not an answer to the question.
>>538918295you're pretending you do not understand in order to evade having to respond to my point, and thereby recognize that you were bullshitting. the price of physical oil was higher than the price for the futures contracts, meaning the price people were actually paying per barrel, absent speculation, was even higher than what the speculators were betting on. and this was well documented throughout the entire ordeal. therefore, when you're all going to pretend "it was cuz of market manipulation", which obviously makes no sense on its face, its easy even to disprove this lie, by pointing to the price of physical oil. please quit pretending to be too dumb to understand, in order to evade having to recognize you're just a hollow propagandist who lies to the public.
>>538918368but you're the people who are pushing the pro-war propaganda, here on /pol/, by denying the reasons and cause for the war, you're ensuring no one ever addresses or fixes the causes. you're denying oil was the cause, and "blaming the jews", in order to prevent people from knowing that you're really the ones who were behind it from the very beginning, and the whole thing is done for your anti-communist oil imperialism. just like our entire alliance with israel is, in the first place.you're the polar opposite of everything you pretend to be. why don't you all just fucking confess????
classic /pol/, pushing war propaganda while trying to pretend you're actually pushing your antisemitic anti-war propaganda.
>>538917940>Oil cut off>Oil doesn't run out>Prices just go up
You people here ought to just confess, you know? you're so fucking blatantly transparent, it's kind of pathetic to watch you all perpetually trying to cover-up your own crimes. Just confess to the fact that you're literally a pro-establishment, neoliberal, open borders, zionist propaganda outlet here, which exists for the ultimate purpose of promoting capitalism.and all of this, ultimately, is the true face of fascism, because fascism is a completely false grift.
>>538918421seems like your argument is pretty reliant on a single data point.russia arms israels foes, and provides economic assistance to iran because the united states will not allow israel to be harmed. russia benefits in two ways, higher gas prices are good for russia and a destabilized usa is good for russia. interchange russia/china, same argument.israel has been an absurd concept since its inception, do you not understand this? absurdity begets absurdity, and powerful people place bets.
>>538917940because oil is a globally traded commodity, you mouth breathing retard.it costs almost the same everywhere around the globe
I wish the world would end so sperglords like you will stop moaning.
>>538917940>then why did the price of oil skyrocket when we closed the strait of hormuz?Because the price of oil per barrel is based on global supply and demand and because we export oil. When global supply is diminished then the price for oil goes up and our oil companies start exporting more oil.
>>538917940Im sorry I wanted to take you seriously but youre the first reply in your own thread. I cant take those people seriously, im sure you understand.
It just shows claims of being oil independent are too bullshit when prices are still based off global markets. Any serious nation would nationalise all natural resources and provide cheap energy for its citizens and export any excess with revenue going into a sovereign wealth fund that politicians can’t touch.
>>538918719next thing he’s gonna say is> America WON’T LET Jews leave Israel!!!bahahahahaha
>>538917940Bruh it would be cheaper just to buy their oil at this point
Oil is running out, Iran is a proxy just like Russia and does dirty stuff instead of NATO. Everything is under control and as planned.
>>538918683Ofc this groyper faggot op doesn't answer to proper replies like ours
>>538918965> OP puts on a meme flag and makes a series of implied arguments using irony> but the implied arguments are half-baked >>538918382yep, good call. OP is a neurotic 107 IQ yid
>>538917940Because we don't ban exports of US oil. So oil produced in the US is going to go up to match the rest of the world.
>>538918475>but you're the people who are pushing the pro-war propagandalmao lying
>>538917940Price gouging the plebs is a national sport for the big corporations.
>>538921275Hey Mahmoud bin Marx tell us more about the jew instead. Why does he wear the kippah
>>538917940America produces more oil than any country on earth.
>>538917940what is the claim you're even trying to make? that we started the war to take iran's oil? but we arent taking their oil. we're squelching their oil production by not allowing them to export it. not to us or anyone.and we arent dependent on middle east oil at all. in fact we are totally insulated from it, unlike japan, india, and others who are suffering from higher brent crude prices.the US is a NET EXPORTER of oil. we're also a net exporter of refined products (gasoline, jet fuel, etc.). higher prices are a benefit to the US economy as a whole, even if it hurts the consumer. i wont get into the trade and refining dynamics, since you appear to be a moron, but you should at least understand that we get nothing significant from the strait of hormuz.t. energy analyst
>>538917940You might have a point if oil wasn't traded for currency on an international market. US oil trade isn't a closed system. US companies sell oil to other countries. Therefore, the price increases for US customers if the demand for oil increases anywhere US oil is sold. I can see your real intent is in the second half of your post, though. "The jews dindu nuffin". I also recognize your individual quirks from a prior thread. You're going to ignore refutations of your arguments, act obtuse, and about 15 of your eventual 70 posts in this thread will be you remarking that nobody can provide a response to some line you keep autistically repeating, despite the fact that there will be at least 3 separate anons completely refuting it in posts before that one. I motion to name OP "Ultra Chutzpah jew" just so we can communicate instances when he shows up here. I'm open to suggestions for better names, so let's hear em if you got em.
>>538917940Keep us posted.
>>538917940>our refineries only refine heavy crude>us only produces light crudeNigger do you know anything about the energy system. Heavy crude comes from mideast, we dont get heavy crude we donte refine enough to support ourself by a wide margin. If mideast heavy production gets obliterated the only one that can export to us at volume heavy crude is venezuela. Do you stupid niggers not realize why we took out maduro before attacking iran. Holy fuck this board is full of retards
>>538917940>the war is actually about the oil>look at this chart proving that thanks to the war we have less access to oil now>so yeah, we went to war to cut our own access to oil, that was the whole goalmake it make sense
>>538921342And we cant refine most of it faggot, why do you think we are a top exporter read my other post>>538921948
>>538917940Because oil is traded on the world market and the barrels of oil go to the highest bidder. Obama canceled US export restrictions on petroleum
>>538917940>Iraqi oil imports decreased after the war in Iraq, that's how you know it was a war for oilGet a load of this fucking retard.
>>538922002Calm your tits. It goes back even farther. We've had a bunch of refineries mysteriously blow up in recent years. Taking out Maduro increases access to Venezuelan crude so not sure what you're on about there. USA even brokered a deal with Guyana for Venezuela to control more oil fields
