>Mix of Albanians, Bulgars and Serbs>Owns 10 km of Greek soil, hence the milking of the name "MACEDONIA">Because fuck it, we need an identity, cant just call it Skopje>Poor and corrupt as fuck btwI mean honestly, why bloat the European map with these states? Why not let Bulgaria, Serbia, Albania and Greece simply take a piece each? Would the people even care?
>>538927542I dunno, why was sweden unable to keep control of this region?
>>538927542It's literally just west bulgaria
>>538927694Because Napoleon and Russia ganged us 2v1..And then the victorious powers of the Napoleonic war decided Russia should keep it.Not that it matters.Finns are a completely distinguished group of people with a completely different ethnicity and language and identity.This is opposed to Macedonia which is simply a collection of different bordering nationality, so the entire existance of the country serves no purpose.
>>538927694It was one of those weeks that Russia had their shit together
>>538927542Maybe you should go conquer it
>>538927542Because self-determination.
>>538927694>distinct people>distinct culture>distinct language>becomes a sovereign state
>>538928085Self-determination of what?They're just 4 groups of nationalities put within one state.Why cant an Albanian Macedonian simply be Albanian?What is the point of having the country at all when they're all just Bulgars, Serbs and Albanians.
>>538928182It's in the UN charter, the right of people to self-determination, it is what it is.Also, Americans are against redrawing of borders because they always lead to conflict and irredentism and it's a slippery slope, they want the current borders to be preserved, watch Sarah Paine. I guess the snapshot was at the turn of the millenium.
>>5389286411. American can fuck off from European affairs.2. Self-determination means a people of a different cultures, languages and identities deserves its own state to govern themselves. Macedonia doesnt have any of that. It's Albanians and Bulgarians living outside Albania and Bulgaria.3. This could be solved peacefully by agreement with the nationalities inside Macedonia and the respective states of Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria and Greece.
>>538928941>1. American can fuck off from European affairs.Keep dreaming, America rules the world.>2. Self-determination means a people of a different cultures, languages and identities deserves its own state to govern themselves.Macedonia doesnt have any of that.It's Albanians and Bulgarians living outside Albania and Bulgaria.I don't know enough about all that in order to comment how accurate that is, but just because somebody is ethnically Bulgarian that doesn't mean they want to be part of Bulgaria thing are more nuanced than that.>3. This could be solved peacefully by agreement with the nationalities inside Macedonia and the respective states of Serbia, Albania, Bulgaria and Greece.It would be against the wishes of the people who would consider themselves held hostage against their will in another state, hence the right of self-determination kicks in. Also Americans, the masters of the world are against redrawing of borders, deal with it.
>>538927542Belgium of the Balkans
>>538929287>I don't know enough about all that in order to comment how accurate that isDo you even realise that Macedonia was invented in the 1990s?Before then it was simply just Bulgaria/Serbia/Albania?>just because somebody is ethnically Bulgarian And speaks the Bulgarian language.And has the copy-paste Bulgarian culture.So what it the point of having Bulgaria 2.0?I mean sure you can compare it to Austria and Germany, but Austria has been seperate from Germany for 1000 years and built its own empire so naturally it has a different identity. Macedonia was invented on a whim 35 years ago. Before then it was simply just Bulgaria/Serbia/Albania. Macedonia is simply a collection of nationalities. It is not its own seperate nationality.
>>538929716>And speaks the Bulgarian language.>And has the copy-paste Bulgarian culture.>So what it the point of having Bulgaria 2.0?By that logic all the Anglo nations in the world should unite and form a singular superstate.
>>538928097>all of those things>gets eaten
>>538927542Don't they speak a language that is most closely related to Bulgarian and far less to Serbo-Croatian?
>>538927542You mean west Bulgaria?
>>538929975That's not the same, those dominions were seperated for hundreds of years and ruled themselves all the while.It's not compareable to the same nationality living next door.I assume you're American because you clearly dont understand this topic, but for you a more accurate comparison would be if New Hampshire deserves self-determination because they decide that they are different even though they share the exact same language, ethnicity, culture and identity as the bordering states. How exactly are you going to apply the self-determination standard which calls for a people of a different ethnicity, langugage and culture and identity to be its own nationality and state.
>>538930145Czechia is a sovereign country. What are you talking about?
>>538929716>I mean sure you can compare it to Austria and Germany, but Austria has been seperate from Germany for 1000 years and built its own empire so naturally it has a different identity. I don't care for the actual argument you're having but that is one of the most retarded takes I ever heard on our history. Only Americans ever achieved that level of ignorance.
>>538930165serbian had distinct vernacular and literary languages before the reformin the 19th century the literary language got the axe, basically, but it was more similar to bulgarian than the vernacular
>>538927953>we were ganged up, it was unfair>we don't even want it anywayyes little fox, those were probably some sour grapes anyway.
>>538931001No one in Sweden is butthurt over the loss of Finland you retard.Even if we had kept it, we would likely have given the Finns independence as soon as they would ask for it, just as we did with Norway in 1905 when they demanded independence.We hate the Russians, not the Finns.
>>538927542probably just to many claims to the region to split it without provoking wars...and now everyones slightly unhappy (while being content that all others are unhappy too) - most stable kind of deal
>>538927542Same reason Belgium exists, to cause suffering
>>538927694Those are Finns, they're a totally different ethnic group to swedes, like OP said fyrom is not an ethnostate or a real identity
>>538931217>it's fine that we lost it, we didn't want it anyway>no i'm not holding back tearsthat's the spirit
>>538931217You're arguing with a mexican that watched a youtube video
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>>538927542they have always been a distinct people they just never had an independent stateand in fact modern macedonians are genetically the closest to ancient macedoniansit is likely they eventually just adapted a slavic language and they made it their own
>>538927542It's literally to stop Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece from going to war every few years
