Why does the younger generation show no initiative in the workplace? I know some zoomers who will close their laptop right in the middle of something once the clock hits 5.
ur gay lmao
>>538928803Because it's a joke. What these people are doing is largely performative. Unless you are actively coding or building spread sheets there is no white collar task that requires 8 solid hours of dedicated work. It's all emails and meetings.
>>538929055The work is still getting done but by a small amount of staff. That's why the 8 hours are needed. So the dysfunctional losers can get paid and slack off and the actual functional humans can cover their tasks as well
>>538928803fuck him, i hope they made a copy of that email in case litigation must happen>you free time for lunch isn't being done how i want it to happen.
>why aren't they enthusiastic about a life sentence of debt slavery for the crime of being productive
>>538928803they hired for social skills not for competence no wonder you get people going a hour for lunch then its their networking event.
>>538928803>a high growth startupLet me guess, one where the young talent doesn't get the growth opportunities and it's clearly pointed out that their salary is all they can expect while they're there, because all the "high performers" demand dibs on growthgibs?Couldn't possibly be the case that the dumbass is harvesting his self-cultivated crop huh
>>538928803>dedication>high growth startupWhat incentives and loyalty is the company showing to its employees? Sounds like a McJob to me.
>>538929331Absolutely thisThat faggot is just upset he doesn't get to pal around all day and gossip with the other upper management while the team works through their lunch to complete his work while bitching that they aren't getting enough of their own done
>>538929561And yet commies exist lol whole countries going through this and nobody is getting paid. Commies want you to work for free
>>538928803Because being forced into employment is de facto slavery. Because your employer doesn’t own you because they buy your labor
>>538928803$15 an hour, no bathroom breaks, sign me up
>>538928803>muh high performance No fuck you im taking my full lunch break at the restaurant next door, AND my legally REQUIRED breaks.Last two places I've worked hardly anyone did, some people skipped lunch because they were worried about work. Its insane this culture. Fuck your capitalism. I told my boss this job, and my last that if they try to stop me I'm filing a case with Washington State Department of Labor & Industries, because they take this shit seriously. I was compensated 20 thousand a few years ago because of my retarded manager yelling at me.
>>538929632>Works for paper permission slips created from the thin air and that’s somehow freedom
>>538928803Nothing that a little quiet purge won’t solve.
>>538929721Currency is a social concept that exists in all society dynamics. Funny how lazy bastards claim they don't care about money yet take action to yank it away from others. And if commies don't care about this social dynamic, it's obvious they don't care about any other social dynamic.
>>538928803Good. Such behavior is toxic.
>>538928803based zoomie
>>538929500This. There are tiktok videos of Type A executives being tossed employee characteristics and asked whether to fire or keep. One went something like, "values results over teamwork." Answer? "Fire." That's a company that lets drugged up barren HR psychopaths filter out the best candidates before any real employees get to evaluate them, and thus precludes any type of performance culture, thus 90% of everyone they hire is a potential liability who must be treated like a baby and drains company resources having their character flaws accommodated.
>>538928803The US govt doesn't actually require work at all and pays handsomely for decades for things that dont exist. -Fraudulent learning and childcare centers are typically funded by exploiting government subsidies, grants, and reimbursement programs. Perpetrators manipulate these systems to receive taxpayer dollars intended for low-income families or nutritional programs.--All from the appropriations committee, all funded by you choking on your baloney sandwich at your desk working hard. The only thing that pays is you. Keep up the hard work. Funny, a farmer can't get a grant to start a herd but you can get flush with grants feeding children that don't exist. That appropriations committee is a real hoot. Do you think they lunch at their desks? Technology to make bureaucracy obsolete overnight.
>>538928803haha good fuck this passive aggressive manager. Say there is no actual lunch break you cowardly faggot
Weird how a generation becomes unwilling to work "hard" for paper credit tokens that have 1/4th the purchasing power of paper credit tokens from 2 generations ago. They should work "hard" for the thrill of "hard" work in of itself along with the privilege of never owning a home so that they can die alone in a small box they rent.My favorite thing about all this is that online cook who tried to use depression era recipes and had to swap out all the expensive ingredients because the average modern worker wouldn't be able to afford them.
>>538928803>I know some zoomers who will close their laptop right in the middle of something once the clock hits 5.Good on them.
>>538928803Everyone thinks they're a high growth startup. No one in that entire office has ever worked a single day in their lives.
>>538928803>Why does the younger generation show no initiative in the workplace?Juice ain’t worth the squeeze.
>>538928803If you want your goyslaves to work more than 9 to 5, you can pay them for more than 9 to 5. This all boils down to niggerfaggots with no loyalty to their employees feeling entitled to their employees' loyalty and free labour.
>>538929331What work? I am sure some of these people are *creating* something but the majority of white collar work seems to be communication.
>>538930042Money is fake anyways. The federal reserve private bank gives loans to our government with tax revenue as collateral. Taxes don’t actually go straight into the government’s programs, it actually just pays off the interest on the loans from the federal reserve.
>>538928803>take a break anon>NO NOT LIKE THAT>complains like a woman online
>>538930206>free labour.every single job I've ever worked the employer will try to get this out of you somehow. Even one with a punch clock, you had to be there a bit before shift started.
>>538930206I disagree. Humans are opportunistic by nature. Nobody is going to give you a guarantee of anything when the average spawn is capable of fucking you over. We live in a low trust society; expecting utopia in this is a low IQ belief. Yes, I'm calling you retarded.
>>538928803>>538928803>close their laptop right in the middle of something once the clock hitsoh, you mean like they were taught in school
>>538928803Boomers used to have cocktails and do a couple bumps at lunch. Nobody wants to hear about your grindset delusions pal. You ain't Wozniak and this ain't Apple.
>>538928803genx and millenials aborted all the decent folk and now blame the dysgenic retard pedigree thats left of zoomers.
>>538930400You're the retard if you allow yourself to be taken advantage of. I said we live in a low-trust shithole where faggots try to take advantage of their goyslaves without compensation. You're a retard who can't read, or you're just mad that low trust goes both ways.
>>538928803Being in a job nowadays is like being in failed marriage with some adulterous whore who brings nothing to the table, demands every ounce of your time and attention, is generally trying to grind you down everyday, and thinks that you should be grateful for all she does for you.
>>538928803Once everyone knows money does grow on trees and is made from thin air, and many people get it for nothing, why would anyone want to work hard to get it?
>>538928803You know what else is dead these days? Fair payment ethic is.
>>538928803Juice aint worth the squeeze. The cost of essentials has doubled (or more) since 2013.The amount of economic pillaging by our federal government over the last decade+ has literally and non-hyperbolically destroyed the Canadian nation for the average Canadian and broke the social contract.
>>538930218Men are the group dropping out of the workforce, not women lol and of course the majority aren't working; the majority are lazy bastards slacking off every shift.Nobody wants to work. Which is retarded because we're floating along on this dirt rock spaceship that requires work to exist. And yet people believe in aliens. No alien race productive enough to visit this shithole would want to stay for long. Aliens don't exist. It's just this planet with these lazy bastards who stand around and watch it all decay. Why they do this, I have opinions on but won't ramble about on this low IQ comment.
>>538928803>why won't someone work hard for me so i don't have to?
>>538928803My boss told me that linkedin learning has a class on "Dressing for success" and that "All my other managers were lying to me about my good performance" Meanwhile the engineering manager has orange hair, fake long ass nails and wears whatever she wants.Do not, i repeat anons, NOT, be a woman's direct report and your director be simping for that woman.
>>538928803because you fired all the ones who did
>>538928803Because I work the same job that a boomer used to except now its contract work with no benefits and half the pay the boomer got.
>>538930521It does not go both ways. Don't apply for jobs if you don't want to work them. Nobody is forcing people to work to exist. Avoid society, communities, and other ways of existence that require work and go exist without work on your own. Sitting in a burning room, bitching about the room being on fire. Just leave the room. This is why I called you a retard.
>>538928803>WOWIE ZOWIE A FULL HOUR FOR LUNCH?????? AND THEY CLOSE THEIR LAPTOPS AND LEAVE THE BUILDING?????? THEY DON'T JUST SHOVEL THEIR GOYSLOP INTO THEIR MOUTHS AT THEIR DESK SO THEY CAN GET BACK TO WORK??????? I NEED TO GO ONLINE AND COMPLAIN ABOUT ZOOMER WORK ETHIC!!!!!!!why are faggots like this?
>>538928803If your goal in life is to work for someone else, you are already on the wrong track. You need to run the business, not be an employee.
>>538928803>1pbtidBut still:Giving up the lunch hour means working 14% more hours per day. Is he going to pay 14% more?
>>538930834
>>538930834Why would you lie like this?
>>538928803Nobody owes you shit.Being an employer fucking sucks, get used to it.You're literally the lowest slavenigger in the hierarchy. But you also get to sell the building and assets once you're done, so focus on that.
>>538928803I fucking hate CEOs faggots
>>538930640It’s like this everywhere for the most part. Immigration has stagnated wages while drastically increasing CoL.
>>538930218My job just introduced a personalized AI and literally none of the boomers understand it, I’ve been crushing it with less effort than before
>>538930863I'm guessing that the employees he's referring to are salaried. They don't have the protections of hourly employees regarding breaks and meals under the FLSA, which dictates that if you require (or effectively require) an hourly employee to be performing work during lunch, they must get paid for it. Meal breaks for hourly employees are usually unpaid.If they are hourly then yeah, his perspective is going to get him in trouble eventually.
>>538928803This thread now has an official diagnosis
>>538930124>Weird how a generation becomes unwilling to work "hard" for paper credit tokens that have 1/4th the purchasing power of paper credit tokens from 2 generations ago.Lol this.People work because it pays.You gave people a paycut because of all the inflation, so people gave their employers an effort cut.
>>538928803It's a good thing. Those kids are right. Do not reply to after hours messages. Do not answer after hours calls. If they harass you after work complain to HR and when they fire you then sue them for wrongful termination. Save all communications with your employer on your own private offline data bank so they can't delete evidence. >>538931017Facts
>>538928803>I didnt tell he he couldn't eat i just told him that eating takes time away from work Any suggestion you make about my lunch that doesn't involve eating takes time away from eating.
>>538931017dog meme lol; hit dogs hollering the loudest. At least a feral dog has the ability to avoid humanity; can't say that about lazy commie bastards like you. And to call me jewish as an insult (im anti jew btw), who were saved by commies from being globally eradicated, yet you defend communists. To bitch and moan about an "adversary" and to side with a group that assisted in their global survival...truly a retard. I'll leave you to getting ran absolutely through by whoever you loathe the most; they are definitely winning against you in the lifelong, 24/7, every moment you blink and breathe existence. On my worst days, I'll know going forward, that even those are days where I have a better experience in life than you. And that gives me pleasure. And it will for everyday I wake from now on. And I wasn't even responding to you lol
>>538929821i hate to admit that this LinkedIn using faggot makes some good points
>>538928803lol, zoomers asking workplace karen to protect them ^_^
>>538931033Go anywhere on earth but NOT in groups of people more an 1 and live there. I beg of you. Go somewhere where you'll never even see another human. Go there and stay there until you die and if you happen to see someone, do not interact. There you will find the existence on this dirt rock that you claim to desire.
>>538929821>transactional loyaltyOf course our relationship is transactional. You think I'd be here if not for the money, you stupid queer?
>>538931527>seething
It's not worth itI'm entitled to an unmolested home, a secure job paying a decent wage, a personal sex slave (in her teens), a homogenous community and a true religionWhere are my entitlements?
>>538931114But I was told immigration is a net positive.
>>538931137Soon you will be managing the ai as it does five white collar jobs previously held by said boomers.
>>538928803>high performers>is at a grade where an HR person looms over them
>>538931777I'm counting every breathe and eye blink you take as long as this thread is up, and I relish in the fact that in each moment, you are having a worse time than I am.
>>538928803As someone that doesn't take a lunch break, so lower your tone when talking to me, I wish you faggots would take the shit out of the god damn office and to the lunchroom. You stink up the whole place with your curries and lentils. It's rude.
>>538931800Away from society; that's where they are. Go now and leave behind society.
>>538930317>Taxes don’t actually go straight into the government’s programs, it actually just pays off the interest on the loans from the federal reserve.taxes go into a joint pool of government income which is then allocated. there is no direct way to say what money or whose money is being used to pay the interest. the government in every country has 'money' and allocates it out.
>>538930834>Nobody is forcing people to work to exist.Lol. Lmfao, even. Yes they are. It's a soft power installed via increased cost of living and stagnated wages with vicious repercussions. Go ahead. Stop working completely and just live where you currently live, not innawoods either, because most people can't do that and I very much doubt you'd be able to either. Unless you're a manchild or woman, people HAVE to live to work so they can live in this system. The rewards are rapidly become not worth it either, and the system will collapse. However, currently, the system isn't collapsed, and you must work if you hope to have a modicum of percieved independence. The system generally doesn't give a shit if a handful of random people who will never organize vanish innawoods or become homeless or die, but should people start organizing as you're implying people should do by "walking out of the room", the system reacts with violence and squashes them. Fact is, most people are not prepared to organize and do this. Fact is, because of that, yes you have work to live. Fact is, if you have to work to live, one should expect proper compensation.
>>538928803NCLB, CommonCore, idiotic woke teachers believing white people and toxic masculinity are the root of all evil, and a public education system that aspires to have a prisonesque atmosphere.
>>538932339Old people snark is always so gay
>>538932556>prisonesquePenal is the word you want
>>538928803After WWII, there was a big expansion in Soviet economy. For maybe 20 years, they were able to take advantage on the acquisition of capital, arable lands, industrial centers, and more. But by around the mid 1960s, things began to slow down. Historians now call the period the Era of Stagnation. The problem was government policy. Policy creates incentives and disincentives. As people are born and enter society and the labor force, they orient themselves towards the incentives and away from disincentives. Over time, those incentives and disincentives bear fruits in the form of how whole societies behave. In the USSR, a system of full employment mandates, minimum production quotas, and harsh penalties for failing to meet quotas or meet other goals, the incentives steadily became more about doing the bare minimum to avoid penalties, with no real, direct rewards for going above and beyond. As a result, the Soviet economy stagnated. No one did any more than they had to. Entire generations of politicians, bureaucrats, workers, etc. became more concerned with meeting minimum goals than improving anything. They joked "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us".I believe we have entered our own era of stagnation. Young people have never lived in an economy where there isn't the constant threat of being replaced by spics, jeets, robots, or AI. They have known nothing but being asked to work harder, more hours, and for less money. The incentives have shifted, and now work is seen as nothing more than a bare minimum requirement they must perform to keep paying the bills. Working more hours yields no real benefit, and the better wage they earn, the more likely it is their company is going to try to replace them with cheaper foreign labor or machines. They have no reason to try hard anymore. The incentives aren't there. They believe they won't be able to buy a house, a car, or kids no matter how hard they work, and so they act like it.
>>538928803What's amazing is that this is how the world actually works. 1 guy out of ten stays after, the other 9 say "Fuck this job" and go home.Most people just want to be paid and not expected to be a slave.
>>538932508Well you're a dumbass complaining about trying to exist in a society that you don't like. Just leave society?
>>538932625>the better wage they earn, the more likely it is theirwife is going to do a leveraged buyout of their family taking their future income stream to turn their kids gay
>>538928803>"What is it with serfs these days? They're not even having children, so they can't pledge their firstborn child to me!"If you need an HR department to run your business you get what you deserve.
>>538932625I consistently pull double shifts, am horribly sleep deprived and never have anyone willing to actually spend time with me.
>>538928803>wagie at a "high growth startup"Imagine the daily cringe and horror you'd have to endure.
If you work for a jeet that writes retarded LinkedIn posts I get it. If you’re in your 20s and working in a well funded early stage startup it’s probably worth putting in extra effort
>>538928803Work ends at 5. You want people to work longer, pay overtime, nigger.
>>538932508The worst part of this system is that you have to do better every year to live how you did the previous year.In the 1920's, an illiterate immigrant coal miner could raise 7 kids. Now there are full-blown engineers that have to have roommates.
>>538928803Look I hate the zoomer work ethic or lack thereof as much as anyone but if your "company culture" is just skirting labor laws by compelling your employees to give up their lunch break with veiled threats about "performance" then you should kill yourself.
What is this Japan?
>>538932508>The system generally doesn't give a shit if a handful of random people who will never organize vanish innawoods or become homeless or dieWhy should they care? You are no longer a part of that system. I'm just saying what is realistically happening. To complain about a system and how they approach those who don't exist within it is retarded. Just don't exist within the system. You sound like a leech.
>>538928803>Why dont you work for free for me reeeeeee
>>538932576Then avoid the places where old people snark? Simple solution to your problem
>>538928803>high performers>high growth startup...>basic work ethicI just wonder, is the pay "basic"? Or is it "high"?
>>538933011I'm sure it's """competitive"""
>>538932625The difference is that the Soviet Union wasn't trying to replace everyone with fucking AI or manipulate them by saying they are going to be fired and therefore will be starving to death and homeless.The post you made actually shows that the USSR was essentially post-work in a way.
>>538928803Slide threadEating lunch at your desk is banned in France in the workplace. Good on zoomies for not being goycattle.
>>538930834>Nobody is forcing people to work to existlol
>>538933011>>538933073>"High growth opportunities">"Competitive pay">"Benefits including 401K and health insurance"
>>538932826No, you are just a lazy incel
>>538932999No, I’ll continue to browse wherever I want, faggot
>>538933133Then leave behind people forcing you to work to exist, then
>>538928803based zoomers, fuck the golems
>>538928803Obligatory.
>>538928803because they don't get paid enough to buy a house and raise a familyyou fucking retarded cunt
>>538933192Commenting is not browsing, dullard
>>538933222>Nobody is forcing people to work to existlol
I just joined a zoomer ran startup as a millennial. I dont have to worry about this shit anymore. My low effort is higher then the zoom zooms locking in, so I never have to actually work hard.
>>538932339Faggot
I have been fucking off more than actually working for the last 3 years or so. I was not given a substantial raise that was promised so I cut my own salaried hours and am doing the bare minimum to not get fired lol. Hilarious that working hard for a company isn't reciprocated so now my work ethic is nil. Fuck niggers (it feels good to be paid to post that).
>>538928803They are not there, that's probably the first problem.
>>538933279Browsing is a necessary component of commenting, retard. Better to avoid trying to sound clever lest you reveal your underlying lack.
>>538928803"High performer" is usually socially decided, honestly. I've known """"10x"""" guys who everyone loves and worships who don't really do 10x the work as much as they create 10x more shit for other people to clean up... but because they're socially fluent and because everyone a priori likes them, it's simply decided that they're high performers. The people who clean up after them are the ones who get laid off first, sometimes to comical results.
>>538928803>I know some zoomers who will close their laptop right in the middle of something once the clock hits 5.As they should, Shekel Goystein isn't going to pay you for overtime or increase your salary if you work more, quite opposite, in fact, he will demand you do more work for the same/less pay.
>>538933326>look at me i don't do any work>waaaaaah why am i so poor waaaah its not fairWhite incel losers earn their misery
>>538930400>We live in a low trust societyWhy did our formerly high trust society become low trust in only the course of one or two generations? We must address the root of the problem
>takes full hour for lunchSounds like an optimizer to me.
>>538933435That post doesn’t say anything about being poor, projecting subhuman
>>538929331Most of those high performers usually quit, this has created entire workplaces full of people who don't do anything but the bare minimum.
>>538928803Sorry but I've seen a lot of indians who know they will not loose their jobs because they are in with an indian manager etc so they do the minimum and usually get praised for it demotivating others and the domino effect continues.Plus this person is a complete retard in consideration to these peoples actual health, you should not sit for hours at a time focusing at the same depth constantly.
>>538933178Tell me why my great grandfather from Croatia was able to support 7 kids, a wife, and himself, meanwhile, zoomer engineers have to have roommates?And yes, internet and a cellphone are requirements for modern society, they fucking aren't optional
>>538929821Onky the dumbest and most ineffective workers are loyal and believe the mission statement
>>538933521If you want something earn it like everyone else moron
>>538933533Nepotism and racism is only something white people can do.
>>538930124>cook who tried to use depression era recipes and had to swap out all the expensive ingredientsSauce?
>>538930218Lmfao at my work we sometimes need to solder simple pcbs. I bought myself my own soldering station and taught myself how to use it so I could use the one at work without embarrassing myself. When it was time for a solder job this 20 I mentioned I could do it, but yr old coworker insisted she should do it, and that she had experience. Our manager (vp of engineering) said she should at least be supervised. Her friend, also her age, offered to supervise. I said whatever and went back to my other work.Turns out neither of them held a soldering iron before, they had only observed when others had used it. The blister on that girls finger was as large as a walnut. I could barely stop myself from laughing my ass off while she was hysterically crying.We also had a separate incident where a girl was using a grindstone that wasn't fastened down, so it vibrated to the side of the metal table. The stone made contact with the lip, broke, and wedged itself 6 inches into the ceiling.Of course, nobody is allowed to do shit anymore at work.
>>538933365One of the main rules for this site is to lurk moar, which you are obviously failing at. Probably breaking rules 1 and 2 as well. And you're an attention whore; just because something exists, doesn't mean you have to comment on it. Like you have anything meaningful to put in on the topic anyway lol
>>538928803Will those faggots pay me more for my time? No. Fuck them, corporations don't have loyalty to their employees why should I have any to them. I'm not even a zoomer. Want people to work more then pay out.
>>538932606YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!!!!
Why do so many companies like to play mind games? If it can only afford the worker to take 30 minutes off, the worker should be told they have only 30 minutes to insert more fuel, not told they can have 60 and drop hints about what the real amount is.
>>538932999All you boomer election tourists need to go back to r*ddit
>>538933639All those words to cry and beg me to stop posting; no. And your first response said “avoid,” nothing about commenting. I realize you already forgot, because your’re not smart enough to be consistent with your own posted positions. Maybe you were before you got old, but I didn’t do that to you. You’re just not that sharp. Sorry.
>>538933549>ell me why my great grandfather from Croatia was able to support 7 kids,Because he didn't order uberjeets 3 times per day and lived in a shack with no plumbing or electricity
>>538928803>why people who know 100% well their employment stands on whims of beings operating purely on whim and menstruation cycles
>>538933469I agree but most people just want to complain and not take action to improve it. Most people are antisocial, low IQ idiots who wouldn't even stop drop and roll if they were on fire. Good people are outnumbered
>>538933591>everyone earned everything they haveThe belief system of an actual toddler
>>538928803Guy posting this in the picture looks like a shitskin, he doesn't deserve any respect or care to anything he says. OP cares because he is a sissy cuck slave.
>>538930124>They should work "hard" for the thrill of "hard" work in of itself along with the privilege of never owning a home so that they can die alone in a small box they rent.It really is infuriating how many losers are jestermaxxed at the wageslave farm.
>>538933750You belong to the group of low IQ idiots, not good people, just fyi.
>>538933603Oh look the incel is now an expert on depression era cooking
It costs too much to fire someone, like over 200k to replace a minimum wage employee, so it's simply better to not hire. That's why we're in a hiring crisis, minimum effort workers know this and use it to exploit their coworkers.
>>538928803why do americans have such weird abusive and controlling stockholm syndrome relationships with their employers?it's absolutely insane for a non-american to hear that it is socially accepted and expected even to be available for your employer on weekends outside your regular working hours, to have regular unpaid overtime, or to have your employer track mouse movements on business devices and shit like that, like what the actual fuckwe don't do that IN GERMANY, but unironically
>>538930834>nobody is forcing people to work to exist
>>538928803Every job I worked the old people were lazy fucks, why do boomers gaslight people LARPing as they work their ass off?
>>538933435It's a principle issue, I wouldn't expect a brown subhuman to understand honor.When someone says "I give you my word as a man" and doesn't follow through, that's a severe breach of social contract to me so I give myself carte blanche to fuck off. I am still better and more capable, they just aren't paying me enough for me to show that to them again.
>>538933523Yep. It's why customer service sucks, b neglected buildings decay and fall, and why antisocials bitch about a society they don't even like and yet stay there, infesting communities and causing more harm. Perfect breeding ground for apathy, misanthropes, and anti human beliefs.
>>538933865>like over 200k to replace a minimum wage employee, so itLmao, white incels are all retarded>>538933765We aren't paying you 5 times your value commie
>>538933918>Work? We don't do that in Germany!The irony is that most European countries hire Americans to work at home because they lack workers rights and can be fired without notice.
>>538933734>Because he didn't order uberjeets 3 times per day and lived in a shack with no plumbing or electricity1. No, their house was electrified. They had plumbing too. Disingenuous post.2. Average electric bill is $100/month, average water and sewer bill is $70. That's hardly unobtainable.Hmmm, maybe because he didn't need a car? Maybe because rent was often only 20% of your wage??? Hmmmm
>>538928803>SoomroSomeone punt this Paki back home.
>>538933814fix your bot, mossad.
>>538933799Says the low IQ responding to a post that is not directed at them lol
>>538929821Lmao this is sour grapes from these faggots>I did not want people working for me anyway
>>538933865This
>>538934055You are a liar. But even if true so what, figure it out loser, or die, no one cares crybaby
>>538930124>>538931269I simply want the same deal Boomers got.Minimum wage in the early 60s was $1.25 an hour.5 quarters with 90% silver content, right at 0.9 oz of silver.>1 hour of minimum wage jerk off "work">1 ounce of silverThose are my conditions. Pay up or fuck off.
>>538934055You are so rich you can cry on incel forums 8 hours per day, get a job idiot
>>538934024>Lmao, white incels are all retardedJust do what the Japanese do, put them in a room with nothing and open a window.
>>538933966So thankful my digital memory is not wasted on downloading reactions from others and I actually have responses to what I don't agree with lol
>>538932826UBI is inevitable, because the system will never allow total collapse.UBI equals total control.
>>538928803I hope someone this this guy in minecraft
>>538928803>They want the paycheck but not the dedication!If only these old boom-booms understood that we only BARELY want the paycheck at all because it's hardly worth it. >"Oh, work at your desk to keep the momentum going!"If you want perfect willing slaves, hire Chinese immigrants who have to work off their debt to the Triads. Nobody else is that fucking stupid and desperate except for, apparently, you and the other chickenheaded morons at this job. And you know, what's funny about it is you're all vaxxed, you're all gonna be dead in a few years.
>>538930400>Humans are opportunistic by nature. Nobody is going to give you a guarantee of anything when the average spawn is capable of fucking you over. We live in a low trust societyYou are correct, however the current state is a temporary one and the result of western society's leaders leading by example, and those examples being obviously very un-virtuous and negative ones for the masses to follow.The masses are very malleable, and will basically emulate whichever traits are being displayed by the current ruling class.Confucius said >"The virtue of a leader is like the wind; the virtue of the common people is like the grass. When the wind blows over the grass, it will surely bend."I think this is very accurate, and it would explain why modern western society has basically turned into a bunch of mini-Jews perpetually trying to out-Jew everyone else at each other's expense.To change this, it would be necessary for a new ruling class to emerge that leads by genuinely good, virtuous, and honorable example, traits which over time would then be emulated by the masses.
>get hired>nobody trains me >maybe 15 minute explanation of complicated systems >try to do something extra to help>boomer boss is furious I didn't do the extra bit how he wanted>he's being very petty about this because what I did was fine but not exactly how he wanted okay well fuck me, I won't do anything extra anymore
>>538933980>why do boomers gaslight people LARPing as they work their ass off?most did during the early years of communism, because otherwise they would starve or get gulaged, and then they retired at 55-60
>>538934181Lmao, bbbbbut look at this chart from the incel blogvif we were paid in buggy whips we all millionaires >>538934181Tough shit loser, kys or dont crybaby no one cares
>>538934307They really need to be used as cannon fodder if they wont stop crying
>>538928803>be younger generation>get effectively paid 20x less than what your employer got paid when he was your age for the same job>boomer employer is surprised you aren't giving 20x more effort than he would have in the same situationThe kids are alright.
>>538934333I would have said that, but the coof lockdowns say otherwise. It showed people that yeah, the govt can just cut you a check. Wagies were quitting their burger flipping jobs on the spot, walking over to pizza hut and instantly getting a job that paid $5 more per hour.The worker has the leverage now. That's why they want the H1B pajeets now.
>>538934430Commies have existed for over 100 years, Jews even longer than that. It's because social development is so slow due to all the stagnation from intellectually delayed people being birthed into an already overly populated earth. There will not be an uprising in a world where parents use their own children as bullet shields
>>538934620>>be younger generation>>get effectively paid 20x more than what your worth> Cry on incel forum, brag you never work>>boomer employer fires you>The kids are white incel losers
>>538934175>You are a liar. But even if true so what, figure it out loser, or die, no one cares crybabyLol. I did research on this before. For example, even a school teacher in a rural town only paid like 20% of their salary for rent.However, food was more expensive back then.
>>538934806>Lol. I did researchThen why not list everything that is cheaper now?And no you didn't do research
>>538934748>memeflag
>>538932710I like the human comforts I have. I like being able to easily deal with pests. I like being able to go to the store and purchase groceries instead of hunting for every meal. I like being able to drive places, fill my car at a gas station. I like the modern conveniences that technology has brought society. I don't want to live in the woods, I want to he fairly compensated for whatever work I put in.>well the system isn't doing that so just leave and live a worse quality life on land that isn't yours>subject yourself to awful things because satanists are ruining the standard of living>no no no! Don't talk to others and organize to reform the system, just leave the system so you can have a target on your back should you try anythingYour advice isn't advice because it's unrealistic and unreasonable for anyone who isn't Uncle Ted.
>>538935030White incel loser
>>538934706>There will not be an uprising in a world where parents use their own children as bullet shieldsSadly, I would tend to agree with you. It does seem unlikely for things, or people, to change at least in the foreseaable future, and it would appear that by now there are very effective measures in place installed by the powers-that-be to ensure that leaders are very carefully selected for adherence to the current status-quo values, and to ensure that anyone not adhering to these never gets beyond local small town mayor at best.
>>538932826That's a good point. To maintain a low standard, one has to constantly do better. That's not homeostasis, it's cancerous growth. Growing doesn't do anything for the homeostasis if it's not for improvement but to maintain. Growth for the sake of growth is cancerous.
>>538929055Or video editing, God that takes so much work
>>538928803That story is fake. HR would have contacted him directly and the complaining might not even be allowed to know the details.
>>538932508Holy shit what a huge faggot you are. You throw people under the bus. Not even radoms your own country men. I was lucky enough to be born into wealth and don't have to work at all. But when I get extremely bored, I take shit jobs just to socialize. Never have I let one of my coworkers be exploited. They try to trick employees into doing more for free. I teach them about their rights not to memorandums if they feel they didn't fuck up. Last time I actually got fired for forming a union. They thought I was just some random faggotThey got sued and now a union exist. And my family employees a shit ton of people. But my family aren't crypto kikes like yourself and we actually care for our workers.
>>538935128Society has to get into that position first
>>538928803Basic work ethic is about as dead as the concept of a living wage.
>>538932909Leech? I work to barely scrape by. I do a lot of stupid bullshit just to maintain a very low-decent standard of living. Call me whatever the fuck you want, but I'm certainly not a leech. You're the fucking faggot in the well in the pic related.>Oh you complain about society and yet you live in society??>hmmm. Wow. Curious. Sounds like you're a leech that's unhappy with its host!>I am very smartNah, you're a faggot who has never had any sort of responsibility in his life and it shows.
>>538928803>high growth startupNobody is falling for that pilpul chaimPay your employees fairly and don't be a kike 24/7. Maybe you won't get as many HR complaints then
>>538934974Cheaper now:>Food>Consumer goods like clothes, cars>Probably heating since coal was mostly usedMore expensive:>Transportation (need a car now with insurance, gas, and other crap)>Rent (US was less centralized into a few select areas with jobs, even bumfuck towns in Nebraska had multiple factories back then)>Private school >Fun things like going to the movies (tickets were often 5 cents)
>>538929878>commiesAre jews, and so are (you)
>>538933222>no one is forcing you to work>Except those guys who are forcing you to work>just leave them behind>but no one is forcing you to work Stellar. Clap clap clap.
>>538935323You live in Latin America. It's different there. My girlfriend is Peruvian and a formally hired worker there has even more rights and benefits than a European gets. Hell, even the informal workers don't even get treated like total human garbage like how American employers treat theirs.
>>538934053Stop making shit up. There are basically zero remote Americans being employed by European companies And why would they, for 1/3 of the cash they'd get for doing the same work in the US? The only Americans seek work in Europe are fresh grads looking for a quirky lifestyle break and are willing to take the reduced salary for a couple years before they fuck off back to muttsville for good.
>>538934661> That's why they want the H1B pajeets now.IMHO this is more about demographic replacement and the destruction of the ability to of workers to effectively organise.> The worker has the leverage now.Maybe, but that's bound to be temporary in any case. Individual wealth is steadily decreasing, and so does the average worker ability - the coof didn't help here either.It's grim.>>538935410> r-selection factors increasing, K decreasing Grim indeed.
>>538928803>why aren't the zoomers eager wageslaves?!
>>538928803You guys are all GULLIBLE FOOLS."jsoomro88" is a Paki living in Karachi, of course he's going to demand his fellow street shitters live in the office because Pakis are retarded.
Boomer;>You're supposed to treat this like you actually care about the outcomes and not just the checkZoomer:>Why? That's not how you do it.How management wants it to work is that workers have emotional connections to their workplace that makes them not count the minutes, but the business itself doesn't show that the other way around. They'll lay you off to please stockholders, enshittify your work environment, work you hard and give you nothing for it, sell you out to private equity, and they won't even give raises that meet inflation. Every year you show loyalty to a workplace by staying, your reward is that your lifestyle gets worse because your salary even after raise still isn't worth as much as it was last year.What do these people expect?>>538935248HR won't tell you exactly where the complaint came from, but it's usually not hard to put 2 and 2 together.
>>538928803if you dont offer your employees equity in the business then they have no incentive to work hard, unless you make working hard tied into getting promoted, but if you dont give a firm timeline on expectations and timelines regarding said promotion, they still wont work hard. Unless they are marks.
>>538929821>transactional loyaltyYes, people work for a paycheck. If you didnt pay then nobody would work for you.
>>538932710You are literally not allowed to “just leave society”, you fucking clueless idiot.>go camp out on public land>get arrested for staying more than 10 daysOr let’s say you actually do have your own land>still have to pay property taxes or else the land gets repossessedThere is no such fucking thing as “leaving society”, it is not an option
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>>538935845just post reaction images to reply to the fucking clueless retardoid.
>>538935565I should clear up some things. There is a lot of corruption here, and US and even European corporations think they can operate like people are slaves. We do have a lot of rights. The thing is they don't get enforced (that's what I meant by corruption). I find it hilarious when they make people sign away their rights. Because luckily here that shit is not valid and parts of that contract become null. I give my coworkers copies of the worker’s code which is law. But don't think people don't get exploited. Specially in factories and call centers pretty sad.
>>538935587I used to believe the stories about how everyone was poor during the depression, but people were "poor" because they decided to have 8 kids.If you had less kids, you were living grand, but having 8 kids nowadays is a literal mathematical impossibility for the average person unless they get government gibs (which are hard to get in reality), and even still, it wouldn't be enough.
>>538933918Because we have few worker rights, lobbiests preventing lawful actions, and immigrants to replace us at a moments notice. It's a hell hole here with legal gambling, so it's sold as "work hard and move up!" When it's really just gambling on sports, stocks, etc.
>>538935410Milk is $3.59/gal here, food isn’t cheap anymore.
>>538930150I'm a millennial and I do this. I don't think it's a zoomer thing, I think it's a thing people who know they are getting shafted and don't give a fuck anymore do.
>>538928803>Why does the younger generation show no initiative in the workplace? What is the incentive for showing initiative? >I know some zoomers who will close their laptop right in the middle of something once the clock hits 5.So? If their work day ends at 5, so why would they continue working after 5?
>>538930124I got into my industry at an odd time, I started working with older guys who had a 3bd house, a boat, truck, pools, all the boomer toys. And I thought wow this is great, I guess one day I can have all that stuff... as time has gone by, those old guys retired, newer people came in, and there was a clear pattern, if you're under the age of 40, you'll never have any of that shit doing the same job as they had. It's quite depressing really. I remember my grandfather worked odd jobs, his last job was at a dealership moving around cars and washing them, before that he worked at a basket factory, had a full sized house, 4 kids, big camper, a cottage. Wtf happened.
>>538935565Some place make people work ten hour work days, and they only pay 8(2.5usd an hour which is nothing) . Which the law doesn't allow yet if you report them government won't do shit unless you are connected or can make a lot of noise.
>>538928803Boomerposting at that young is such jeet energy
>>538936057Even if you are 40 millennials and younger gens are fucked unless we do something about it.
>>538928803Thought this was r/linkedinlunatics for a minute. You couldn't ever fucking pay me enough to stay in the office for lunch. If I can't decompress in the car for my lunch break I'm going to get to the point where I'm going to come to work and kill all you faggots
Was watching Horizon party 1 Costner. Noticed the white people working their asses off to hold onto their wagon loads of shit. See first nations people with something slung across their back with very little on their bodies. Junk. Just junk. You go to pursue a new world and you bring your junk. If you had so much junk back there why did you leave. You are at work because you love junk. You barely can eat to the next payday because you pay for your junk. You are those women covered in bolts of fabric lugging around your cast iron stove in a wagon full of shit. What the hell is wrong with you.
>>538934328Your "responses" have low IQ babble of >just like, leave society bro>it's so easyWith no details on how to do it or a grander plan>inb4 I'm not gonna hold your hand, figure it out yourself. You also are just like the meme I posted in response to you earlier. Life imitates art, I guess.
>>538928803Why would I work when the women won’t give me any pussy. I don’t want women that fuck niggers, either.
>>538928803You don't pay me for that hour jew, therefore I don't work during that hour. Simple as.
>>538934527I like that picture. Who painted it? What year? What's it called?
>>538936031We're paying like $5/gallon.But still, milk was damn expensive back then. We're obviously reaching the point where everything is getting expensive, but we haven't gotten there yet.
We have a salaried senior 2 on our team who is literally out sick more than hes workingIt’s not just zoomies, the gigavaxxed are also mostly incapacitated
>>538930655>floating along on this dirt rock spaceshipStopped reading here at your le heckin reddit faggot response.
>>538928803Because they know they will get promoted anyways
Because the workplace is a dead end. You’ll work your ass, never get promoted, always answer to an incompetent girl boss, and barely make enough to make rent.
>>538928803There's a pretty easy solution to this:>1. Gauge project relevance based on potential>2. Start tracking success metrics based on project completion of previously established potentials>3. Say that this is to project manage the overall workload>4. Recognize who the hard chargers are and see who's simply treading water>5. Apply "instructional oversight" from lead chargers to challenging workers to help them get out of treading water>6. Overt attention and expectation of results forces them to get cooking or get out of the fire.>7. If the challenging worker is bristly, cite the numerous HR incidents around them and not around the oversight leader as a difference in corporate culture>8. Offer severance package with minimum requirements (3 months paid) to get the toxic shitheel out of your company>9. Meanwhile, the people who do want to succeed can get positive guidance from the five hours or so of directed attention which also builds the cooperative cultureIf you're leaving your employees to fend for themselves and one of them turns feral, don't be surprised when he bites you
>>538929821It sounds vaguelly reasonable until you realize there's a layer of "my side of the story" to everything this faggot is saying. "Constructive critisism?" That's just what these asswipes call screaming at me people to make their peepee feel big. They fucking hate that they can't just belittle and enslave people to their ego trips because there are fucking labor laws, so they desperately try and reframe themselves as hardworking heroes instead. I bet this rent-seeker faggot doesn't do work outside of nagging emails, and also, half the shit he's bragging about is illegal. They always brag about blacklisting hires, but it's illegal in many states because it's unethical scumbag behavior. If that's what he BRAGS about openly, imagine all the weasel scumbag shit he's not saying? "Constructive criticism" my ass.
>>538936074Coca Cola in Peru gives workers $120 gift cards per month for a grocery chain there lol. That's more than enough to eat off of.
>>538929821>can tolerate boredom>expert at tuning out when getting chewed up, welcomes actual criticism since i can know about potential fuck ups before they get bad>never used ai in my entire life, generating porn of ex classmates doesnt count>always show on timeSo, where is my 6 figure job?
>>538930655Women do mostly clerical and administrative work which is the most vulnerable to AI replacement.
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>>538935323You have functional worker rights and a national identity. You arent flooded with migrants for demographic replacement and slave labor. We do not. We are becoming an economic zone if we haven't already become one.>let me tell you about the place where i live and how i react to it while not considering where you live and how you react to it.
Boomers used to walk out at 5 on Friday. No cellphone for boss to call, no email, no nothing. The employer didn't see them again till Monday morning regardless of what issue management got itself into.
>>538930834>sign a contract to do x amount of hours of work per day>"actually you're not a good sport if you don't do x+n like rest of the crew"raped slave
>>538928803Why on earth would anyone dedicate themselves to a system hell bent on robbing them blind via kikeflation?Most zoomer will never be able afford a home and a stay at home wife.So what's the point?
>>538928803>Basic work ethicNigger being ass blasted that the guy doesn't eat lunch at his desk is going way beyond "basic". If she shows up on time, gets his work done, then goes home on time, THAT is basic work ethic. Anything more, is above and beyond.
>>538935587>Maybe, but that's bound to be temporary in any case.Humanity has somehow managed to survive for thousands of years without 401ks and health insurance. These corporations are temporary.They don't want you to have a family and to own your own home. They want mindless functionaries smart enough to run the machines but dumb enough to not know how badly their getting fucked. H1Bs ability to stay in the country hinges on them having that job. They get fired and their gone. It's a much tighter leash and the middle managers are assmad the average normie won't put up with it anymore.
>>538935323Also, how the fuck am I a "crypto kike faggot" if I'm the worker being exploited and enslaved by the kikes? I'm a low level employee in a fucking hospital, you nigger. >I treat my workers well! >you don'tI dont have workers, you dipshit. I don't own a business. I've never had the opportunity to do these things because I got the short end of the stick from various tragedies that I had no control over. Sorry I didn't give you my life story in the post. You should pull your head out of your ass.
>>538936618They are, but they won't get fired. They will just be allowed to sit around and gossip even more at work instead.
>>538929331Based knower
>>538936572That goes from country to country and depends who owns the franchises rights. In my country coca cola are slave drivers ( they are owned by a Belgium company). Here they mostly hire contractors so they don't have to pay fair wages. Like not buying from local places that have authorized partner for the equipment they use among a lot of other fucked up shit.
>>538936750Yeah, I have no clue where they think they worked very hard from, but most Boomers were a bunch of slackers that quit jobs and moved on constantly.
>>538928803Anyone working hard these days is a retarded goy. The bread is stale and the circuses are lame. Busting your ass just gets you rewarded with more work. At best you'll get paid 10% more than the guy who does the bare minimum and holds no extra responsibilities. What are you gonna do, buy a new GPU with it to play gay pozzed games? Go to the theater more often to see gay pozzed movies? How about traveling the world to see more hordes of invading brown people?
>>538929632>Commies want you to work for freeNo, that's you capitalist who keep robbing via fiat scams, fuck you, niggers.
>>538930790This is cringe of the cringiest cringes.
>>538929647Hell of a bladder.
>>538928803>Why does the younger generation show no initiative in the workplace?Because you don't pay them enough.
>>538936729Belive it or not we do have migration. We have people from other central American countries. And the higher paying jobs (white collar) get sucked up by people from Canada, US and Europe. So don't think that's not an issue.
>>538929331>That's why the 8 hours are needed. So the dysfunctional losers can get paid and slack offthis then they backstab you afterwards with a fake reason to fire you because you made everyone look bad
>>538929821> Transactional loyaltyWell, duh, you stupid faggot!Nobody believes in your meme mission statement.
>>538928803I dont work for boomers and shitskinsAlso, NPNW
>>538937034The problem is, some people are such slackers that they cause everyone else to have to work harder. I'm in the same boat, I'm a retail wagie, and I have to basically do everything, while there's this fat nigger that I work with that talks with other niggers for an hour while ringing them up. I then have to ring up the other people in line, giving more work for ME.
>>538928803humilation ritual, why anybody would wanna work in current year is beyond me. NEET aslong as you possibly can, i feel sorry for cucks who fell for the wife/child meme
>>538930124This may not be all there is to it. This generation doesnt know what hard work is, has never experienced it, and is incapable of it because theyre weak fragile faggots. The return for hard work has been shitty for a few generations now, and zoomers are the fucking dumbest of all. The belief that theyve figured it all out as being not worth it is giving these retards way too much credit. Theyre just lazy twats with zero backbone using any excuse to continue being so.
>>538928803The managers go to dark psychology courses to learn to groom the children they hire
>>538937276Niggers gona nig
>>538928803>Never work past contracted hours>Never volunteer for shit that you don't get paid for>Work just hard enough to keep the boss off your assSimple as.
>>538928803>you can do as you please>but i'm going to fuck you over for not meeting my expectationsi hate those faggotsjust tell them what you want them to do, after checking if the contract allows this>they want a paycheckoh the horror. people working for moneyalso>my new hire>they close their laptopimagine hiring a troon
This thread is proof NU/pol/ is low IQ.A Paki living in Pakistan says stuff a Paki boss would say and all of you think it's your Walmart boss here. They still have debt bonded slavery working brick factories there.>North Korean startup boss here>What's up with kids these days taking a full hour lunch amirite
>>538929821>junior staff submit their report through AIThis is just a sign that those "reports" are fucking useless. I work in a job where we always have these "reports" and "presentations" and they're ALL done with AI. Everyone admits it. What's crazy is that those reports and presentations aren't for any higher up, they're for our co-workers. So we have staff that gives AI presentations to other staff who in turn also have AI write presentations for those other staff. It's a circle of useless AI presentations that nobody needs nor cares for. It feels like being in school sometimes where you can't help but think "man, this assignment I have to do for school is fucking stupid and useless and a waste of my time". The majority of them are women though so they fucking love doing this shit and getting paid for not doing any real work, because it makes them feel important and above other people. They always use the excuse too of "Well I have lots of knowledge so that allows me to do less work but just do it more effectively, and teach others. That's what I went to school for so long for, so I can gain these skills while getting paid well for those skills I learned". But those "skills" were literally just memorization with no thinking, and they all rely on chatgpt for those "skills". Yet they still think their "skills" are valuable and deserve top dollar.And what's really crazy to me is that the more established and bigger the company is, the more of that useless bullshit you'll see. I don't get it.
>>538929055I had a position where I ate while working and did 8 hours of actual, non performative work without meetings or emails. It’s possible but this is incredibly rare. I suppose it was worth it because now I usually work 30 minutes a day.
>>538937148Not in the capacity Europe and USA have it. Any problem sounds like it comes from American or European companies. We live in those places. They aren't "invading and can be denied", they're here as their home. Also, if they are lobbying your government like ours, then the problem is still the same here except way more intense. On top of that, everyone here is atomized and has no family to help them. Culturally, we're alone and isolated. You get fired over a just cause, your family helps. We get fired over a just cause and we get told by our families "oh well probably should've just kept your head down. Good luck out there! Can you hang up now? The nigger ball game is on". We don't have the same culture you do and any attempts to garner that kind of culture are met with metaphorical hammers.
>>538937275Ok. Thank you for the apology. I was honestly pissed off at your response, especially when you seemed to be agreeing with what I was trying to say. Good on you for treating your workers right. We unfortunately don't have that. Boomers did a number on us.
>>538933469This is antiseptic.
>>538929331https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1784047590103029.webm
>>538937276That's a totally separate trap. You worked too hard, playing the part of a super hero, and your boss recognized this and expects it of you as your daily performance. Additionally, since you work so hard, your boss wants to keep you exactly where you are because it would be impossible to find someone to replace you. Therefore, that fat nigger you work with is on the path to getting promotions, while you are "too valuable where you are". Eventually you'll burn out/quit due to the injustice of it all. My advice is to set expectations low, do not play superhero. Instead build unique skills/knowledge that make you hard to replace that way, rather than by your high work output.
>>538937535I don't know how Honduras is, but in a lot of Latin American countries, the barrier of entry to survive is very low. Like when I visit my girlfriend, it's insane how non-fucked their economy is.My girlfriend's sister was able to rent an apartment ($140/month) and she had NO job. There's apartments for even cheaper, lol!
>>538937701> Boomers did a number on usWeakling cope Then just give up and kys to improve the genetic pool
>>538933549Did it ever occurr to you that you have a roommate because this country imported an illiterate yuro who shat out 7 kids after slithering off a boat?Have you considered that this never actually stopped? Have you considered that you are the problem?
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>>538937807I asked for a raise. I'm most likely getting it. If I got to be a babysitter, I want paid more. Eventually I'm looking to leave anyways, but not yet because my employer allows me to be gone for a month when I go to see my girlfriend. Once I tie the knot and get things situated in her country to live there, I'm leaving lol.
>>538937535I'm not saying we are getting flooded by poojeets. But we do have a shit ton of people from the US Canada and Europe. You have to remember that your money goes further here. And lobbying here is not as transparent as in the US. Here they give them a shit bribe and they literally will give the country away. Not even a big bribe 100k l. Look into zedes and Peter Thiel bs in my country. Again I apologize. That comment was for another retard. My boomer parent are from the very few based boomers and silent Gen grandparents were also based.
So, this thread might be right to ask for some advice>be me, 25m, germony>writing bachelor of engineering thesis atm>worked part-time at engineering office/company since last year july>they imply a full position for me when I get my degreeor>go for master of science degree (1.5years) to qualify for more money and open more doors (especially good for government and international)my company has its cons and pros, like half of my colleagues are 60+, and we were bought by a bigger engineering office/company recently, although my specific section should be safe as we cover something they didnt do before.Would you go for the relativly safe position or for the higher degree?>pic related
>>538936057>older guys who had a 3bd house, a boat, truck, pools, all the boomer toysWhy do you assume they bought all of that while working that one job?
>>538929878but the paper you call money is not currency (a unit of value) but debt created without providing value to the debtee, so in fact, (((they))) get you indebted without doing anythingit's a redistribution system masking itself as currency, in absolute favour for the true owning class, sucking ordinary people dry, bit by bit
>>538936412what about buying directly at the source? I get Raw Milk from the farmer for 1€/L instead of 1,40€/L in the supermarket>>538935410now factor in quality and product-lifetime and lets see what is still cheaper
I have an older coworker that constantly tells me I'm doing things wrong so I just sort of give up and hand stuff of to him. He then goes and fucks it up. It's actually kind of funny.
>>538938283The higher degree IS the safer position, lad. Doesn't get much safer than government or international because someone is always gonna need you, so you may as well be paid more for your trouble. Unfortunately the future is leaning toward socialist policy, so take what you can get while it's available.
>>538937954Dude, for a lot of people that's a lot of money for people here. Minimum wage here is around 600 usd a month. Rent can be more than that for a shit hole. Some people take less pay because they can't find a job. I've met engineers with years of experience working at call centers. We had personally had a cashier that had graduated recently from civil engineering and had been looking for a job for over an year and a half not just her field anything. When I found out, and actually had interactions with her. I used my connections to get her a job at a construction company a friend owns. I hope she's actually doing well. She was pretty smart.
>>538928803why the fuck should we, so you can build more digital prison infrastructure? just burn already.
>>538928803>"high growth startup"worst places to work
>>538928803Have you tried paying them?
>>538928803>Why does the younger generation show no initiative in the workplace? IThey are tyred of consuming rotten bait
>>538929821It's not about merit thoughbeit
>>538938597>"high growth startup"Not interested in working for a jew, thanks.
>>538938157Good for you anon, hope everything works out. >>538937535The anon I just replied to us leaving to latin America. So you see we do get migration. The only issue I have with migration is people not adapting to the local culture (not saying the anon leaving isn't going to). Or flooding the market. In the capital we are getting gentrification because of this. So we do have similar issues.
>>538928803>pay like trash>reward loyalty with layoffs>hire visa jeets and illegals whenever possible >make excessive demands on employees and act like a linkedin cocksucker 24/7Corpo culture is brainwashing for SSRI golems and careers are dead.
>>538928803What part of no pussy, no work did you not understand?
>>538938520>Minimum wage here is around 600 usd a month.It's half that in Peru.>>538938162I didn't think Americans would pick Honduras to expat in.
>high growth startup>HR departmentNo, the manager was 100% in the wrong.t. former HR fag.Take your lunch breaks kids. File reports. Keep a work journal of all interactions with your bosses. If you can, keep an audio recorder going at all times on your person. Insist that all tasking get a follow up email to ensure it's documented. And when you get abused? File your complaint with the state labor board. Not HR. HR will always side with the company.
I stopped caring when work got busy and things were backing up but they still cut employee hours anyway. So when I am the one who's there that day, I just put in honest work for my eight hours and then clock out and don't care. Literally not my problem if things aren't getting done when you actually need twice the employees. Just clock out and go home.
>>538933918>americans
>>538938943A shit ton, it been going on for a long time. and now with the Peter Thiel shit it's worse. Look into zedes
>>538928803gen Z is broke as fuck, why should they care about anything other than money? the value of hard work is explicitly measured in dollars, so if they're not making more money for the effort, they're not going to feel valued. why is this so difficult for business owners to understand?
>>538938456>what about buying directly at the source?Probably would be more expensive.>now factor in quality and product-lifetime and lets see what is still cheaperEven in Boomer times, some consumer goods were expensive. For example, I watched an episode of The Price is Right, and there was a curtain set for $70 in 1972. You can get a curtain set for much less now...So the lifetime quality isn't enough to offset the higher price
It's really pathetic when they call it a "team" but really your coworkers are people you're competing for hours with when it's hour cutting season. There's actually a miracle situation where I work where all the coworkers and managers like each other, for the most part. But then some retard is at a desk or an AI is crunching the numbers for shareholder profits saying no no no, we can't have it run too smoothly, start cutting those hours.
>>538938962Hr are huge faggots in my opinion. They act like the companies is there and they are just as disposable. Which make it funny when they get fired.
>>538938283i can't tell you>have a friend>smart guy>does a two weeks coding fortbildung>everything else, he has learned by himself>gets hired as a low bob sys-admin>is so good, he became the leutenant for the project manager>customer of his company snatching him up, doubling his pay>same thing happens again a year later>gets almost four times the national salary, working three years in the fieldall without a certificate from a university
>performative consensus building struggle session OP>hundreds of repliesWorse than the coffee threads and /pol/ is too brown to see it now lol. You are being farmed by jeets for engagement.
>>538937524We clearly need an AI for summarising AI created presentations.
>>538938840>Or flooding the market. In the capital we are getting gentrification because of this. So we do have similar issuesI'm leaving there because I unironically have more opportunity there. If I stay here, I will be perpetually a retail wagie living with my parents or would have to pay exorbitant rent to live in some grey shithole to ger a job with my degree. My girlfriend can't even come live here because of how kiked the Trump administration has made immigration now. She can't even visit without an anal probe practically.
>>538936873This is our Great Filter. Barring a black swan ecent reverting the clock some hundreds years back, we are heading towards perpetual darkness, as species.
>>538939251Yeah being a white male in HR was a massive red/blackpill.I see why it exists but it's generally massively overbloated, needs an actual lawyer in charge of it, and most of the duties of HR need to be offloaded to supervisors and managers, not karens playing conflict resolution games.All most companies really need is clear cut guidance on firing people, and supervisors willing to do so when it becomes clear it's necessary. 10% of employees cause 90% of the problems. Supervisors are scared of hiring because HR drags their heels on it, so they retain problem employees way too long, which gives HR more work...C-suites are a huge part of the problem because they're fucking half the young HR bitches and that's there personal little harem and secret police.Anyway glad I quit that life. Being a NEET is better.
Work is transactional. You paid for a 9 to 5, you get a 9 to 5. If you want an extra hour after 5, you gotta pay extra. You wouldn't go to McDonald's, buy a cheeseburger, ask for bacon on it, and when told it would cost a little extra, complain, "why won't you show a little initiative as a company in trying to earn me as a customer and give me the bacon for free?" EXTRA COSTS EXTRA.
>>538939477I understand I'm not giving you shit for it. But I find it ironic when faggots here bitch about people from here leaving to the US for better opportunities. A lot of people here goal is to save up and work like slaves save up and come back to their home. A few do really want to stay. You are just looking for better opportunities and a stable life. People don't like to accept it but migration is normal if where you are living at feels like you have no opportunities.
>>538935410>1970>average earner could buy roughly 6800 to 12000 pounds of beef with their salary.>2026>60k only buys 4000-9000 pounds of beefEven the claim that food is cheaper, ends up being bullshit unless you include goyslop as food. Sure, empty calories are cheap these days thanks to HFC and other highly subsidized poisons, but real food is way more expensive.
>>538928803I can only say from experience that public school often discourages achievement or overachievement often. When you both aren't rewarded and sometimes punished for trying to get ahead, you realize it's not worth it. I will take my 1 hour lunch, thanks.
>>538939696No, migration isn't NORMAL, it's been made COMMON by traitorous kikes.>boohoo but there's no opportunitiesKill your kings and princes and make some opportunities. Execute your criminals for three hundred years, get some eugenics, and improve your society. Coming here to our nice society RUINS IT FOR EVERYBODY because you're less evolved than whites.For thousands of years if you moved to a new community, you'd be enslaved and nobody would help you and your children would be slaves until your daughters were pretty enough to be mistresses, then their children would be bastards, and after several generations they might be bleached enough to be full citizens and members of the community. The modern welfare state and ass kissing of migrants ISN'T NORMAL.
>>538939568From my experience hr is there to protect the company. And a lot of the time the supervisor managers don't fire problem employees because they formed a friendship. Hr considers problem employees people who speak up and don't let themselves be trampled by the company. At least that's my experience when taking shit jobs. Also good for you anon
>>538928803Because the result is the same irrespective of work results 9 times out of 10Current minimum wage adjusted for inflation would translate to $62.4 an hour.If a mcdonalds worker made $62 an hour, everyone would be enthusiastic to be at work longer and pull themselves up by their bootstraps and all that shitInflation means that saving money is stupid.You're incentivized to buy slop or put it into the stock market which may eventually give you a safety cushion in a few decades.So "working harder" at best results in buying more slop, which 9 times out of 10 does not justify the extra hours at work. If you could get real saved wealth, a home or a wife or children out of working harder, everyone happily wouldIf you want dedication, pay people accordingly.The only way these days is to find a way to free yourself from all of the above by acquiring cashflowing assets
>>538929055If you work in elite private practice as an attorney in the US, you're definitely working at least 8 hours a day, 6 days a week.Of course, most of that is document review, which can be done from home.
>>538936572My girl is also Peruvian and her brother has a business in Peru, they all seem to be well taken care of, especially compared to the bullshit here.
>>538928803>Why does the younger generation show no initiative in the workplace? I know some zoomers who will close their laptop right in the middle of something once the clock hits 5.well done by the zoomers.
>>538939903I pointed out my issue with migration. Lack of resources will make people move to where they think it's better. I agree people should integrate and they should be vetted for the jobs not being done by the local population. I stand by this anon. Maybe we don't agree. But I hope you understand my point of view.
>>538939802I was talking about the 1920's. Food was more expensive back in the 1920's than today. But in the 1970's, no. It was mostly cheaper. Like you could get some seafood for $3/lb in today's equivalent.The post-war USA had both the low rent prices of prior times AND the automated manufacturing of today. Which is why both rent and milk were cheaper.
>>538930834Found the jew!
>>538939996Peru has the lowest inflation rate in the Americas...
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>>538940768She and I are thinking about grabbing a place in Mira Flores at some point.
>>538941072Very very expensive. Rent's like $500/month, and there's unironically not a lot of restaurants and shops compared to Cono Norte.
>>538941072If you want to travel through Peru, Sky airlines has Cyberdays now
>>538941183Well yeah, it's the expat area and right by the coast. Found pretty nice houses of US size in the 400k range, close to the ocean.>>538941448I've already been many times, just went to the dunes and wanted to buy up some of the land there, they were asking like 15k for beach plots. I want to scoop up that real estate.
I'd do the same. Fuck you nigga. I get an hour for lunch, contracted, enforced by law. You want me to work during it? Pay me for an hour of overtime. BITCH.>but bro why aren't you pouring your heart and soul into making money for someone elsewhy are you, bro
>>538932606more like penile am i right?
>>538932766Who would want to hang out with a sleepy grump?
>>538928803Because this isn't basic work ethic. It's a luxury work ethic. Basic means doing the work you're paid for, not being on the clock 24/7.I think the problem is that many people live within systems without understanding how they work. As soon as those systems break down, people are unable to comprehend the reason. This rule extends to workplace culture. If you want to turn a low performer into an average one and an average one into a high performer, you need the right incentives. High performers typically receive preferential treatment, more job security, higher pay, and have more leverage. A high performer can call in and take a day off. A low performer could never.In other words, this guy isn't crazy. He’s incompetent and unfit for leadership.
>>538937357Good goy
>>538932287>Doesn't take lunch breakImagine being this pathetic
>>538930124>2 generations agoNigga it's like 6 years ago
>>538942531KILL YOURSELF JUSTPASSINGTHROUGH (BAN-EVADING ARGENTINIAN (Barneyfag)).I'M NOT EVEN JOKING, I WANT TO SMASH YOUR FUCKING HEAD RIGHT OPEN SO THAT NOTHING REMAINS OF IT AND I DON"T HAVE TO LIVE WITH YOUR EXISTENCE, YOU WASTE OF HUMAN FLESH. IF I KILLED YOU TOMORROW, THEN THAT WOULD BE ALL THAT WOULD SATISFY ME BEFORE MY EVENTUAL DEATH. NOTHING I WANT TO SEE MORE THAN ME CRUSHING YOUR FUCKING SKULL, TEARING YOUR FUCKING EYES, BEATING YOU UNTIL YOU'RE A LIFELESS FUCKING CARCASS, AND THEN GUTTING, DISMEMBERING AND GRINDING YOU UP UNTIL I KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE WORLD IS FREED FROM YOUR EVIL, YOU FUCKING WASTE OF LIFE, YOU FUCKING DEGENERATE SUBHUMAN, COLLECTIVE OF THE WORST FUCKING SCUM ON THE PLANET
