is english holding humanity back?
>>538957248English is a GOAT'd Language but we would be better of if we spoke in a far more sophisticated language:Arabic
>>538957248English is an evolving language and Americans are starting to speak a more Creole version of English that skips a lot of the redundancies. Will see English and Spanish merge over time and in 500 years they'll be speaking that bastardized language world wide as a lingua franca
>>538957248The Chinese language has over a thousand different words for "rice" but zero words for "love"
Anglos are absolutely obsessed with Germany and sort other Germanic languages into a hard "misc." category. Pic related. Make of it what you will.https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/2998/do-most-languages-need-more-space-than-english
>>538957248Not really. The problem with society is it's socially acceptable everywhere for people to act/be retards with 0 punitive recourse.Until homogeneous communities comes back and big government goes away this will never happen.>tl;dr You can't fix social problems using government to force racial integration because it makes everyone dumber
>>538957873Vietnamese comes across as a really compact language to me by the way, kicking the ass of Germanic languages, but the English is super compact meme more locally is due to Americans being obsessed with Germany.
>>538957248English is actually the most dense and rapid language. Scientifically proven to be more efficient and effective.But go invent some gay Esperanto to try and beat English.
>>538957248English is useful precisely because it is simpler than most other languages (spelling aside).Nobody learns Chinese because it is needlessly complex (especially its "spelling").
>>538957352Yes it must have been a beautiful sound when those Zutt men were running a train on the false prophet.
Type those characters on your keyboard.> but muh pinyin
>>538958105>>538957873Bullshit. But also missing the logical reasoning and active/passivity that makes english a strong and direct language.
>>538957248English is the only language on earth that can accurately describe anything that exists. There is nothing, no concept, that English cannot explain.
>>538957248english is a MESS:- no consistent pronunciation or spelling- confusing grammar with gazillion exceptions- plural you (what happened to thou???)- gendered pronouns (why is "it" the only agender pronoun?)- articles, even natives don't properly use them- mutted language raped by centuries of corruption from french,latin,greek,danish etc etc
>>538957653noenglish is going to merge with soispeak, tiktok zoomer speak, and nigger ghetto babble over the next 300 years until modern english becomes post-modern english and is unrecognizable from its current formI'm not joking btw I actually believe this
>>538957248No.You'd know this if you were a competent enough English teacher to find employment in Israel.
>>538958455>inconsistentOH NO!>confusingOH NO!>thinks thou is only pluralOH NO!>can't into gendered nounsOH NO!>continues whining about dialectOH NO!>more dialect seetheWell then. It appears you are angry that you learned English. Feel free to not participate in the usage of this language.
>>538958502it's just gonna be borrowed words for a pidgin Hindi,which will completely displace English, thanks England.
>>538958408English is not an exotic language coming from here. A major reason we're good at it is that it's really similar to Swedish. We get overlooked since you think of Germany as the default European country and us as exotic Vikings. German is way more exotic, including to us.
>>538958455>what happened to thouThe moveable type printing press happened. The English letter þ, thorn, represented the 'th' sound, but the printing presses were made in continental Europe by people whose language did not include this sound, so they substituted y, and after a while it became the norm. Side note: "thou" is pronounced with a voiced th, and rhymes with "you," and is the English version of the Germanic du.I am not making this up and you can research it yourself in books written before 2000 A.D.
>>538957248Not English, zoomers.
>>538958415What word do we use to describe a hanging crystal thing with lights on it? Usually a centerpiece on the ceiling in a room. What is that called?
>>538957248No, it simply works best with the language it has the most data on.
>>538958455Ahh, to be a gringo mutt at his schizo side <3
>>538958911You just described a chandelier. There are languages that cannot describe such a device in any accurate way. You could just call it a light. Because that's all it is. It's just a light. Nothing special.
>>538958911>why do languages adopt the word from the language that introduced the term to them?Who knows? It couldn't be as simple as adopting the first instance of concise identification. That would be fucking ridiculous.
>>538959391It's not the kind of word languages would lack, unless it's an isolated tribe. Kristallkrona (crystal crown) here, but we have tons of French loans too.
>>538959682Greatest meme might be the amazing amount of loans in English. It's mostly just that it's not cool when other languages do it, so successful angle there. Not shitting on English, but it's not that unique a language except being massively successful in terms of number of speakers.
>>538959682My point is, English above all other languages can describe anything. Rendezvous? Get-together. Izzat? Unwarranted self-importance. Taqiyya? Bullshitting to gain an upper hand.I always find it comical when retard cosmopolitans(international traveling self-important faggots) think that some race of people or nationality has some esoteric concept that English can't describe and English-speaking people can't understand.I know nothing but English and there's no foreign concept I can't describe in simple terms with English.We invented the proper dictionary, thesaurus, and encyclopedia.
>>538960174Describe samadhi in English.
>>538959682>KristallkronaThat's not any better than using a loan word. I think it is actually worse to limit vocabulary into compound words.Computer (person who computes math equations) evolved from a job title like accountant into the program running and data processing machine that has been integrated into every smartphone. Computer is now (thing that computes) and we would not benefit from calling it a dopedsemoconductorclockcomttolledmultibitdigitialdevice.Nor would we benefit by callig it lightning-math-box.I'm sure crystal crown is a rare enough word that confision is minimal, but you aren't actually gaining anything over just using the loanword chandelier.
>>538957248lmaoNo
>>538957248Yes, but not as much as Japanese would've held us back.
>>538960243Discipline
>>538960174I've done translation work, and my experience is that you'll run into hard-to-translate words between any language pair, simply because it's unlikely that language B came up with a word for every single one of the tens of thousands words language A came up with. It can still be translated.
>>538957352>ArabicAssuming you didn't just post this to bait retards, why? What can Arabic do that English can't?
>>538960577*of words, I typo
English is a very deep language and incredibly expressive. Its sadly declining and most speakers are very basic with their use of the language.
>>538958713Thank God we’re not speaking German (Japanese down under).
>>538958287This, why is it nobody learns Chinese? You basically fucking can’t even if you wanted to die to the writing system and pronunciation. What is intuitive for them is very hard for us because of the tonal stuff. Like saying “angry” with an emphasis on A is a different entire word than hanging on to the Y a little longer and being even on each end is another word. To me it seems like a regression lazy half assed way of talking which is all the more strange contrasted with the writing system.
>>538960577Translation is more about idioms not translating well. Russian love to talk about measuring eggs. The idiom that eggs are testicles and they don't physically mean comparing testicle size but instead a competition of influence and power in politics. But English does have the same idiom about who has the bigger balls.If it goes into the more abstract "bee's knees" or "red herring" or something insular that hasn't propagated across culture the idiom won't make sense and has to be explained or replaced.Darmok and Jalad at Tenegra, where the walls fell.
>>538960577The reason that native English speakers can add foreign words into the lexicon is because English itself can describe any word or concept. The words we adopt are not because we cannot describe said word, but because we like the sound of the word. Sayonara for example. Siesta. Jihad. These are cool words that we use knowing what they mean. When we say "jihad" we know it means "holy war". Though I like holy war better because I love FF8, which is an item that lets you tell Omega Weapon to fuck off, because fuck Omega and fuck Terra Break.The Japanese, being intelligent, can also understand foreign concepts and adopt foreign words into their lexicon, such as with Romanji.
>>538961000It's fairly core vocabulary as well. I'm not shitting on English. It's just unlikely for languages to consistently stumble upon the same stuff given how many words there are.
>>538960817Korean is a hilarious contrast with its writing system being the exact pronunciation. Invented language that they still have language conventions every few decades to update. You can pronounce everything in korean in a day's effort and the rest is learning vocabulary and an ear for listening. Simple logical grammar too.
>>538957248pingong
>>538961153All of those are in Swedish as well. English just embraced loans, and many people would think of it as a contamination in Swedish.
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>>538957762number 5 orange chicken
>>538957248Notice it requires 2.5x the steps to think about it in Chinese? English is the global language of the business world for a reason. It morphed during the industrial revolution to become highly efficient, so a reader can immediately grasp the pertinent information and disregard or pay less attention to that which requires less consideration, and more quickly skim the text. English pre industrial revolution:>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.English post industrial revolution:>All men are created equal. They are endowed with unalienable rights, such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We posit this is self-evident. The subject and facts get moved to the beginning of the paragraph. The opinion gets moved to the end. The redundant bits (you obviously have a creator if you were created) get removed.
>>538961387>and many people would think of it as a contamination in SwedishSo what do you think of Arabic or Somali? Because I find them revolting. Sounds like coyotes gagging on prickly pear cacti.Japanese is the ONLY language outside of European ones with any grace of flow.
>>538961877For example, if anime had been made by the Chinese, I could never watch it, because listening to Mandarin is like listening to random animals making unnatural sounds. GARBAGE language.
Ai likes Polish is the most.https://www.euronews.com/next/2025/11/01/polish-to-be-the-most-effective-language-for-prompting-ai-new-study-revealshttps://notesfrompoland.com/2025/10/26/polish-top-performing-language-for-complex-ai-language-tasks-finds-study/https://doitinpoland.com/polish-named-the-most-effective-language-for-ai/
>>538961877Dunno what that has to do with vocabulary. Not a fan of /x/ clearing throat sound.
>>538961977>Ai likes Polish is the most.
>>538962182*of theOne thing I hate about myself is that I always typo in plausible ways.
>>538961977>>538961300Sucking LLM dick is not an accomplishment. Especially since "best at prompting AI" is a questionable metric that might be "best" for other reasons. Perhaps Polish is too predictable so an algorithm that predicts the next word is effective. Or it could be something stupid where poles don't send following messages so they consider the response effective because the user only sent the first prompt, and has nothing to do with the quality of the LLM response.LLM are fucking useless and basically the gayest possible AI.
>>538957248They’ve already done studies on this. English is the most efficient language, for humans. This isn’t necessarily true with how a computer works due to it being a symbol manipulator, but in that case Chinese isn’t close to efficient either, rather something like signal processing is much better, but would become incomprehensible to humanity
>>538957248No, jews are.
>>538962182Well you said a lot of people don't like contamination of Swedish with foreign words. Yet, you brought in the most abhorrent languages and people on earth. If you're so picky about Swedish as a language, why would you pollute your language by bringing in trash? It's not logical. To keep Swedish a pure language you can't have bonobo retards coming in and tainting the syntax and lexicon.
>>538962345Chud harder. Most immigrant slang is actually based on Swedish. Better than the zoomers desperately wanting to be discount Americans there.
>>538957248Right, its not enough to just replace White people, have to replace their language too.
>>538962446Oh god. Not one of you. Well, good luck with your "purity" in your Swedish. Whole country will be speaking durka in 50 years.The only thing that's going to save Sweden is the next ice age burying it under half a mile of glacial ice.
>>538962634Not a fan of unrestricted immigration, but no one slaughters the Swedish language like Americanized chuds.
>>538961695>The redundant bits (you obviously have a creator if you were created) get removed.Wrong. It's not redundant. It's clear that our rights come from our CREATOR, not the given to us by the government. This is a very clear distinction that the founders made. You are not given rights by the government, the king, queen, or an emperor. Your rights predate government and all rulers itself. Hence by God. Aka God given rights.>morphed during the industrial revolution to become highly efficient, so a reader can immediately graspWrong again. Have you read constitutions from "modern states"? They all say things like, "You have the right to speech**complicated lawyer speak why you dont really have freedom of speech if the government thinks you don't "English has turned more litigation-like to hide its direct meaning or hide its manipulation or true intent. Read what George Orwell wrote about the latinizarion of the English Language.""The inflated style is itself a kind of euphemism. A mass of Latin words falls upon the facts like soft snow, blurring the outlines and covering up all the details. The great enemy of clear language is insincerity."""The Original (Ecclesiastes)I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all.Orwell’s “Modern English” VersionObjective consideration of contemporary phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account.""If the American Constitution were written today, it would sound like a lawyer word salad meant to sound like you had rights, but with fine print. Modern tyrants hate the language of the constitution because it is so clear.
>>538957248Language in general is holding humanity back. If we would just kill all the Jews we'd be golden. Language is used by the Jews to decieve and placate the populations.
>>538962701The only Swedish we speak over here is Volvo, Saab, yttrium, ytterbium, and erbium. Maybe Ikea? Is Ikea Swedish?
>>538958105Not really, modern vietnamese is a young language so there is a bunch of non existent words to decribe things that english has but vietnamese doenst. I sometimes get so frustated that Id rather just search in english
>>538957653Sad but most likely true
>>538962745>>538961695The one good thing Obama did was mandating plain and clear english in all government writing. The entire purpose was to make everything easy to understand and not need a lawyer to decipher a hidden meaning. Considering Obama was a lawyer, he was certainly aware of legalese that was deceptive or hard to understand.
>>538962701BTW, get rid of the walking piles of shit, and get back to science and engineering. Saab planes were awesome.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YtterbyThe hell you guys doing?
>>538957352Arabic is literally the worst sounding language on the planet. I'd rather speak in coon clicks than that dog awful language.
>>538962979Not since it moved to the Netherlands.
>>538958105Vietnamese is compact because it's extremely stunted. It's a jungle language that is trying to operate in the modern world, and does a very poor job of it.Anything remotely technical in terms of engineering, or even basic expressions of tense/time are easily mixed up if the context is missing.
>>538957653>Will see English and Spanish merge over time and in 500 years they'll be speaking that bastardized language
>>538957248Yes, English is a retarded language only getting worse. Zoomerspeak is mostly Niggerspeak.
>>538957248Yes, all you that want a new humanity should fuck off and speak other languages.
>>538957248AI likes chinese because you can fit more info into less tokens. That's it.
>>538957653So many people are using then and than the wrong way round. It infuriates me and I wasn't educated past 11 years old.
>>538963077Yes but we will have "HR Speak" in everything else. War becomes "armed conflict", homeless becomes "unhoused", suicide becomes "unalived". Tons of English words meant to obfuscate the truth or with an intent to manipulate the reader a certain way. The left is much better at using language itself to soften their points, but use it to attack their targets. Rifle becomes "assault weapon". Ect. Its why more "primitive" languages have much less woke bullshit because they simply didnt have the concepts in their language unless they imported them from English. Until only a few years ago, most Japanese women never even heard of the word "fenimism". English terminology is a mind virus. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fcqxH6hdOUw&pp=ygUZZG8gamFwYW5lc2Uga25vdyBmZW1pbmlzbQ%3D%3D
>>538957248Fuck off bugmanYou will never be a real human
>>538963439Also english speakers are extremely arrogant and narrow minded and assume that English words are reality. For example they made up all these queer words. Gay, lesbian, pansexual, ect. Then try to say that ancient greece was queer. But ancient greece never had such words or concepts. ""Ancient Greeks recognized and named same-sex desire (through eros and specific relationship terms), but they did not organize society or self-understanding around exclusive sexual orientations the way modern cultures often do. Their world was more focused on roles, age, status, and social function than on “who you are attracted to” as an innate trait defining identity.""Identity politics is an English mind virus phenomena."Racism", "sexism", -ist, ect. All made up English terms, but modern english speakers treat them as reality or truth. They cannot fathom that past peoples simply did not think in such terms or concepts or that other non english speakers in different culture do not consider the concepts as part of base reality. English speakers routinely carry out cultural imperialism and they don't even realize it. They just think their right, and your wrong because it's a word that exists in the English language.
>>538958415>There is nothing, no concept, that English cannot explain.English is the language of scientism and scientism only delivers half truths or maybe eighth of the truth. There are people in this world that are barely literate and yet they don't need therapy, marriage counceling, AI, novels, diaries, cancer research, hair loss communities, looksmaxing communities etc. English delivers a lot of word salad for obvious shit. If you ever ask an English speaker for an opinion or problem solving ideas they will go on a words words words tangent that contains a speck of what you actually need. That's not to say other languages are not retarded in their own right (especially Asian grug speak languages), but English is really not as efficient as it looks.
I think english is better than other languages for international purposes because it has very little genders and conjugations. Because of that it is able to accept loanwords easily and it is very simple for foreigners to learn. Every other language seems to have a million conjugations. In english it is basically just -ed, -ing, and -s. With that said, I am very envious that other people get to have their unique language just for their culture. Being an english speaker means not having any cultural privacy.
>>538964023This is correct. Its also known as "HR speak". Past English was far more sincere. George Orwell was right that after the world wars, the English language is a tool for propaganda. Thats why its such a word salad after the mid 20th century. Its meant to manipulate the reader, not deliver clear truthful language. In other words, modern English is bullshit. As its designed to be.
>>538964023>If you ever ask an English speaker for an opinion or problem solving ideas they will go on a words words words tangent that contains a speck of what you actually need.They don't think it be like it is, but it do.How about that?
>>538957248It's so unstructured that it actually comes back around and can be bent into a pretty good language. The problem with English is mainly that it's the most heavily psyopped language in the world(look how the newest generation talks), and is spoken as a native language by people who are a majority retarded(also due to psyops).
>>538958502All by design of course.
>>538957762So nobody in China can say they love rice?Retard
>>538957248No whats happening here instead is engineers will leave trademark thinking artifacts built in so that if a company were to plagiarize and train their own models off say Claude/ChatGPT/etc. Anthropic or xyz would be able to confirm in court that abc company stole from xyz. >t. ai researcher
>>538964023>>538964209Also, japanese has a reputation for being very indirect and beating-around-the-bush... this is correct on some things, But it's also more direct or truthful than English on many things. Especially calling out certain observations. I always find that Japanese speakers can more easily observe or call out many things more clearly, that English speakers cope about using english concepts or cant see. English can be direct, but its also full of scientism as you say. English speakers love to hide behind it and pretend they are more sophisticated than they really are.
>>538958408English just needs to bring back old english. I, me, myselfUs, we, ourselfThou, thee, thyselfYou, ye, yourself
>>538964574It needs to cut out the Latin.
>>538957248No, but hebrew is because of the people speaking it.Until it's forced revival at the start of the 20th century, kikes couldn't have been called semites because yiddish is a germanic language. As such the antisemitism card they use to shut everyone down wouldn't have been an option.
>>538964555Japanese people really struggle with their language. It's basically half english anyway nowadays, full of katakana and foreign concepts and ideas. The thought of needing the build a scientific framework is genuinely torturous, like being ordered to build a spaceship from grains of sand. The strength of japanese is the words are all loaded and connotated, people think in stereotypes, but it has really bad limitations. If you're a westerner who's disciplined you can literally toy around with the prejudiced thinking of asians. But indeed this kind of prejudiced thinking tends to work for actually living a human life, something that everyone in the west suddenly collectively forgot.
>>538964787>The thought of needing the build a scientific framework in japanese*
as an esl I understand this ai feelings
>>538961153>autism
As far as the problem in OP, asian languages are actually averse to letters, because it allows a granular control of the language, a democratization of speech and text. Instead they opt for dense alphabets, syllabic at minimum (Korea, Japan) or going full chinkoid (Chinese logographs), which allow the language to get loaded with meaning from top down and to lube up the machinery of tyranny. Remember, even in their speech, asians are looking for a daddy, but not a sky daddy, an actual human daddy whose cock to polish. Never forget it.
>>538964787Well that is correct. Languages developed to make life easier to live. Not to argue about abstractions based on abstractions. This is exactly why anglo civilization is collapsing. Because it abstracted itself to death. Wasting its resources on stupid things that do not really improve nornal living or life. Japanese people did much better before they learned English. Japanese being naturally autistic(in a good way), gravitated to the abstraction world of English, and it has destroyed Japanese civilization a lot.Japanese were doing well pre WWII when their greatest problem was too many babies and kids and when women were having 10 kids each. All the "problems" and quirks people love to complain about japanese worked fine during those times. Japanese women have the reputation of cheating a lot... well back in the days when they were having 10 kids each and they raised them together communally anyways it didnt matter if the woman had a few kids with s different father because they all looked similar and were raised in the same village anyways. Japanese women used to be the most fertile women in the world under their old culture system. The system got destroyed by Anglo culture but many japanese words and traits still remain but are focused into unproductive things that destroyed the birthrate and continuity of the society.
>>538961300How are they defining "effective"?
>>538965297>Japanese people did much better before they learned English. Japanese being naturally autistic(in a good way), gravitated to the abstraction world of English, and it has destroyed Japanese civilization a lot.The issue is the Japanese people can rarely if ever harness the power of language. There are misunderstandings upon misunderstandings, really you're expected to read a pitch accent, facial expressions, body language, honorifics, urgency etc for meaning. The language itself is very basic and useless for anything except chopping wood and carrying water. It's like being functionally illiterate. And when you have already learned how to fly speaking English, it will be really tough giving it up and never looking at the sky again. But i have learned positively from asians, for example when an English speaker starts sperging out and microabstracting and basically short circuiting his/her brain for no reason I just smile and ignore. English syntax at its core is occult anyway, read from a black mirror by John Dee and whether its angelic or demonic, who knows. Maybe its a tradeoff.
>>538965297100 years ago, japanese men were marrying teen girls that both theit families had set up and knew would make a productive family. "Everyday is mother's day in japan" as people used to say. Now japanese men spend money on teen idols, and japanese women work hard to make their male bosses rich instead of for their house or raising kids. Arranged marriages were thought of as oppressive, but now most men and women will never be married.Now there's not enough people to pay taxes and pay for the subways and clean streets. "Let's import millions of indians with stay at home wives giving birth to 1p kids each" . Everything has gone backwards and it's not sustainable. Its very dishesrting to see japanese girls paying for their university by doing JAV. What's the point of all this if you lose your soul?
>>538965622Japanese is very good at describing subtle feelings and emotions. Which is why they are so good at artistic, lyrical music and subtle meanings and emotions that English speakers just bulldoze over, or over simplify.
>>538960243Autistic focus. I'm not even being ironic I just learned that jeet word 30 seconds ago.
>>538964014>They just think their rightThey're* right
>>538957248More efficient even still to communicate in images as the information displayed to an LLM from it is far greater than from words alone.But still, this is probably one of the open source Chinese models like Deepseek or something I'd imagine.
