White people who convert to Buddhism:>Buddhism is just a philosophy. The Buddha made it abundantly clear that he was just a normal person. Gods and spirits aren't real, and rebirth is just a moral concept.Jungle Asians:>Reincarnation is real, as are heaven and hell. The Hindu gods are real, as are my local village and forest spirits. Demons exist. Welp, time to pray at my nearby shrine and leave a rice offering for a Buddha statue.Who is correct?
>>538967609I hate Buddhism because Hindus try and take credit for it.
>>538967609The Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople
I think this properly belongs in /x/ or /his/ or something Anyway nobody's ever been able to explain Buddhism to my satisfaction and I get the impression that that's kinda the point
>>538967810>asians get a deeply philosophical religion that has grounding in actual cosmology and we get stuck with diet islam this world is suffering
I don't think Buddha would appreciate a GAINT FUCKING STATUE OF HIM like thattoo be fair,neither would Jesus...but we still have the redeemer (lol)
>>538967609Explain Tibetan book of the Dead I'll wait.
>>538967609ཀི་ཀི་བསོ་བསོ་ལྷ་རྒྱལ་ལོ
>>538967609> rebirth is just a moral conceptNo, it's not just this.
>>538967950that's literally the first noble truth lol1. life is suffering 2. suffering is caused by attachment, desire, craving3. suffering can be transcended by overcoming our base instincts for attachment, desire, craving4. the way to overcome these attachments is the eightfold path (ie, practicing buddhism)>>538967609according to the buddha's literal word, the former. however, in lots of places buddhism is intertwined with centuries of traditions, customs, rituals, superstitions etc. there are many different schools of thought within buddhism just like with christianity there's catholics, protestants, orthodox, etc. in buddhism there is therevada, mahayana, zen/chan etc etc
>>538968423I own it but never read it, I don't know much about buddhism but didn't become interested in it until today.>>538968511type shit >>538968807>according to the buddha's literal word, the former.from what I understand, he never denied the existence of the hindu gods though? in the pali canon. or did he just knock them down a few pegs in status
the back of a statue, a rare sight
>>538967609Philosophy>religionAt least philosophers were real
>>538968423Scoffing critics say it's animistic Bon concepts rather than original Buddha Dharma.It contains narratives that you can find in the myths of other cultures, like the ones in Greek tragedies, Oedipus for example.For an educated westerner it's an interpretation of the process of individuation that every sane human psyche experiences but does not remember clearly.For pious Tibetan Buddhists it's a comforting metaphor they believe in. The unknown is terrifying but they believe they know what will be happening.I don't think it's evidence for personal rebirth which is the kind of rebirth that most people imagine.There are other concepts of rebirth that involve sophisticated epistemology and cosmology, but this asks too much of most people's intellect.t. studied with the Gelug-pa, still owns a copy of the Tibetan book of the Dead
>>538969776do you believe in rebirth and does your views align with mainstream buddhist narrative of rebirth? t. I know nothing about this
>>538967609The first is the religion as written, and definitely how most monks practice it. The second is Buddhism repainted as a method of societal control, slurred together with the existing beliefs of the plebs it was being forced upon. Christianity in Europe had much the same introduction, blurring in many local festivals, traditions and concepts just to get people to accept the important parts like Romans 13. The only reason to tell people to believe in reincarnation or heaven/hell is to make plebs okay with their meager lot in life and pressure them to behave well even when nobody's looking. The two functions have never worked perfectly but they work more than not at all, so they get employed.The hallmark of a bullshit religion is that it evangelizes. Any real spirituality of some vital meaning should not be reaching out for new students much at all. Average everyday plebs will not and cannot treat your hard-won spiritual revelations about actual reality with any reverence, they want bedtime stories for their kids and metaphysical threats to coerce good behavior. Spiritual revelations are delicate and have to be passed along with great care. Buddhism itself is explicit about this, since in Zen Buddhism not only do they not claim to have a reliable method for enlightening anyone, the enlightened themselves remain unsure if they even are enlightened. Inducing enlightenment in others is therefore something requiring a lot of hard work that most plebs will not do, which means offering them the lessons just degrades the teachers. You should only take people who really want to learn, who come to you first.Unless you're a bullshit religion in it for the tithes, then you just tell bedtime stories and make metaphysical threats to coerce good behavior. Leave your tithe in the bowl.
>>538967609Buddha was white (blue eyes etc.)
>>538969338The basic idea is its unknowable to us and doesnt matter as long as youre actually doing good down to your thoughts, youre free believe in whatever you want
Buddhism rejected the Vedas which Hindus got their authority from.Naturally this made them very angry so they fucked over Buddhists followers politically centuries after he died. Then the real kicker is they co-opted his teachings into Hinduism and went ackshully Buddha is an avatar of Vishnu or some crap so now we own buddhism. Basically wearing his corpse and larping with it.Buddhists don't fight like Sikhs or Muslims so this is what happens to them. Its an ugly world out there.
>>538969338he said even if there were gods and higher realms, they would be subject to the same fundamental problems as us. fighting with other gods, not getting their way all the time, being dissatisfied, etc etc. so it fundamentally makes no difference. but yeah he wasn't explicitly anti-theist, just kinda said the existence or non-existence of gods is irrelevant to our daily lives and struggles with the human condition. btw they weren't really hindu gods since at that time, the religion we call hinduism didn't really exist yet; i think they call it brahminism but it was essentially the ancestor of modern hinduism
>>538967609Your “white people” Buddhist beliefs are just Zen Buddhism, fyiAnd it is objectively correct
If you think it has to be either one or the other then you're still clinging to signs and outward forms
>>538967609White people didn’t know shit about Buddhism until the majority of their society was literateupper caste Jungle Asians abused it against the masses of illiterate jungle Asians to secure their status in society
>>538970057>>538969866I like the idea of various deities and even demons existing, as it makes the world and universe a cooler and more mystical place. an all encompassing, final boss, one and only god is highly uncomfortable to me. It also feels very atheistic in a way. I am jealous that asians have such a rich and cozy spirituality. That some even believe that spirits exist everywhere, even in rice. Even the concept of being reborn again and not being sent to the backrooms (heaven) for eternity is pleasing.
>>538969866>The hallmark of a bullshit religion is that it evangelizes. Any real spirituality of some vital meaning should not be reaching out for new students much at all.History played out exactly opposite
>>538970384>History played out exactly oppositenot really? unless you're implying that islam and mainstream christianity are spiritually fulfilling
>>538967609Here's a quick reality check:https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/ierNRINBCy>TLDR:>This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. What's more, you should be warning people about the upcoming "day of vengeance" here on Bozrah. Keep in mind that the 1,000-year Millennial Kingdom will take place on Earth, not on Bozrah. This planet will be destroyed (and Jesus will be the destroyer). It has no future.>Bozrah is basically a replica of Earth. People who have lived here their entire lives NEED to realize—once and for all—that this celestial body was never Earth, and it never will be. It's an impostor planet. And if you have an issue with that, take it up with God, not me. I just speak the truth (nothing more, nothing less).>Bozrah's human anatomy is distinct enough from Earth's human anatomy that the differences allow me to know, with 100 percent certainty, that this is a different planet. Not 99.99 percent certainty, but literally 100.00 percent certainty. On top of all of that, the speed of time here is a blazing 50 percent faster compared to Earth! Yes, you read that correctly: fifty percent faster (as in 1.5x speed, and thus a day on this planet is only 16 Earth hours long). So, forget about all of the anatomical differences for just a moment; the time difference ALONE allows me to know, with 100 percent certainty, that this is a different planet. Now, ask yourself the following question: Is God not watching each and every person who tries to debunk these differences?>You, the Bozrah native, are the one who has been deceived. Not me. God didn't send me to the other side of the galaxy just for you to tell me that I have been deceived. You are the one who was born on an impostor planet. Not me.>Update: In June 2026, a Reddit admin deleted my main Bozrah post! It had been up for over four years and was last edited in May 2025. It now exists as an X article. The redpill post will take you to my pinned X thread, which will then take you to the article.
>>538970684https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/s/QbBZhTQQN2>Bottom line: This planet is Bozrah, not Earth. Moreover, the event in which Jesus destroys this planet is called "the day of vengeance." There will be no 7-year Tribulation or Antichrist here—because this isn't Earth. Earth is roughly 75,000 light-years from here (and is currently going through the Tribulation). This is merely an impostor planet, a physical replica designed to serve two purposes: (1) a containment realm for a particular bloodline (namely, the Edomites), and (2) a temporary sanctuary for select individuals (namely, the elect or "remnant of Israel") who were raptured from Earth prior to the start of the Tribulation.>By the way, the thing that I'm referring to as "Bozrah" is not a symbolic concept. It's not an eschatological metaphor. It's not an allegorical parable. It's the physical, corporeal planet you're currently residing on. And unless you confront that fact head-on, you'll remain in total darkness—fully deceived by the illusion. So, in regard to our current location, let me be crystal clear: This planet was never Earth, and it never will be.
>>538970684>>538970742>Jesus>antichrist >Israel>raptureI reject your schizophrenic Abrahamism
>>538969849I don't believe in personal rebirth after the death of the body like many Buddhists do because this idea is not compatible with Buddha's concept of personhood and not with Humes's bundle theory of the person either btw. There is no person independent of the body it grew up in. But there is the continuum of the mind that many confuse with the person or with a soul, which is, yet again, imagined as a personal entity which, however, it is not. This continuum does not die with the body and person. Just as the universe does not die with the body and person of a being. >>538968566
>>538967609It's funny how all religions agree demons and angels exist yet can't agree on who created Earth. Pro tip: Christ did 6k years ago. Also Earth is flat.
>>538969983You forgot shitskin and black hair. Jeets with blue eyes don't count as White.
>>538970985>>538971083final boss chud >>538970862unfortunately I am not high iq enough to grasp heavy metaphysical philosophical concepts, I will ask an ai bot to dumb it down for me.
To be reincarnated as a pajeet is the most vicious karmic punishment a soul can endure.
>>538967950>grounding in actual cosmologyHow so?>>538967875That's because Buddhism is a catch all term for very different set of beliefs. Same way with Hinduism.
>>538967875Its straight forward. Its basically a collection of sayings concerned with life. Its a philosophy, a way of life encompassing individual spirituality attitudes, and respect. Just google "Buddha quotes" and you will get a taste. A lot of its very common sense pragmatism. What a lot of people get out of it is how its fundamental principles can be applied to many areas of daily life.It is not a religion. That's exactly what Buddha did not want. But that didn't stop retards and control freaks from creating a corrupt version of it as a religion that they also call Buddhism.. Buddhist monks? No. Buddhist temples? No. Buddha statues? No. Those are all corruptions of what is supposed to be a pure spiritual philosophy. Buddha was really a very wise and humble guy who got around to saying a lot of things many people sort of already knew but hadn't got around to thinking too deeply about or putting into words.The problem with pure Buddhism however is it requires you self reflect and think. Its very individual. There are no commandants, no rules, no promise of heaven or hell. There are no accessories such as Prophets, Messiahs, Angels and Demons. There is no God to be obeyed or Satan to be feared. It is very bare bones. >Why is this a problem?Two reasons.Because most people are fucking stupid sheep and want to be ordered around, told what to believe, thinking is too hard for them, they want to be told what to think.Then secondly its not heavily promoted or protected by State machinery. There is no controlling the masses with Buddhism. Quite the opposite in fact, it encourages individualism, and that is not what organized religion and the State wants.
>>538967808I hate Christians because Jews try to take credit for it.
>>538971607Kek. That's why every Christian should know Christ literally claimed to be Jehovah thus existed before Judaism. Jews taking credit for Christ is cringe af.
>>538967609Well we know human beings dont reincarnate and you dont find spirits nor demons in the woods, so it would appear white people win yet again
>>538970384>>538970626Or he's just using the dumb metric of popular = real and unpopular = bullshit, in which case my statement would be "exactly opposite." My metric is that the drive to convert is a revealed drive to scam. Trying to make people convert is not about their spirit, it's about material things in this world.
Reincarnation is a cope invented by have-not asians and other small, swarthy people who exist for nothing, accomplish nothing and are victimized by seemingly everything, eternal prey animals amid the earthly spectrum. It's for this reason they yearn for "another chance", another roll of the dice in which they might be born wealthy or powerful. Simultaneously, belief in this system implies that those who are not mere prey (white people) run the very-likely risk of returning as one of these worthless cretins, discarding all the essences and natural progression their ancestors accomplished to become a swarthy indian who shits on a road. Buddhism is inherently revolting, spiteful, shortsighted and conceived by bitter idiots. The life if a small-brained, limp-wristed hindu is no more likely to blossom into a capable white person than the vice-versa. I'd sooner fist-fight whatever repugnant entity tries to force the human spirit into such a state of degradation and humiliation.
>>538972111They're not trying to come back, you don't get it
>>538972320Then I wish them luck because this world would be better than any hindu's afterlife if they all collectively passed into the cosmic soul-slurry they insist is real.
>>538970626Your argument relies on your subjective judgement of what is or is not “fulfilling”A “fulfilling” religion without new followers is a dead one. History belongs to the evangelicals
>>538972024See my argument here >>538972432Your argument is the one that relies on bullshit subjectivism also>My metric is that the drive to convert is a revealed drive to scamDemographics is destiny. History is littered with true scotsmen
>>538972357Well I don't know enough about Hinduism, I thought the topic was of Buddhism. Which brings up the topic of Samsara which frames reincarnation as more of a trap to escape rather than something to indulge in as many times as possible
>>538972533Hindus and Buddhists are the same thing, they are both primitive barbaric paganism invented by brown people who have not succeeded in anything. This is why both are so focused upon a gambler's philosophy of "one more roll" and superstitions that such a roll may be influenced by irrelevant deeds, i.e. good deeds will persuade the cosmic dice. It's all disgusting.
>>538967609these are two sides of the same coin of Buddhism, the Buddha did not state that belief in any god or gods was important to the underlying belief of Buddhism, I am more in the second camp, no I won't elaborate, cope and seethe, namaste fgt
>>538972533>reincarnation as more of a trap to escapeThis is also a concept in Greek orphism, which came into existence around the same time as Buddhism. We were so close to white Buddhism.
>>538972694This is pretty interesting. I'll look into it anon, thanks.The only other thing I can think of that brings up a similar idea is gnosticism.
>>538967609This applies to all major religions. There has always been a vast distinction between exoteric and esoteric spirituality. Most people aren't developed enough to understand philosophy so they derive spiritual/communal satisfaction from rituals and mindless devotion. The great majority of Christians, Buddhists, Muslims and Hindus are alike in this manner. Yet there are also a handful of great sages of all these philosophies.
>>538970377>gay shallow trend chaser loves buddism because it's diverse and exotic>but the notion of Yahweh makes him deeply uncomfortableYou aren't smart enough to understand how much of a walking condemnation of your own ideas and attitudes you really are.Like all demons and demonically influenced things, genuine holiness feels uncanny and freakish to you, and it unsettles you simply by existing. Your distaste for this one specific belief and your love of everything else is a massive endorsement for the one specific belief.
>>538971545>it encourages individualismYou sure about that? Pretty sure the Buddha would say the individual is an illusion produced by the Five Aggregates.
>>538967808>smoothbrain doesnt understand dharmic faiths>buddha was a kshatriya prince>kshatriya is a religious assignmentYou are faggot like OP
>>538967609why believe the liars and servants of satan?Only Jesus Christ is true. Buddha was some megalomaniac. Hinduism is demoncraft.
>>538970040wtf are you talking about, they were all completely destroyed by sankara by using their own arguments against them. Kumarila Bhatta prior to him had already thoroughly debunked buddhists and essentially argued them into extinctions in many of the major regions before Sankara even arrived to annhilate buddhist ignorance completely.
>>538969866Checked.
>>538972694>>538972777Even what the apologetics quoted was way cooler than kike worship
>>538967609The Jungle Asians. In Christianity, we call all of those gods and spirits "daimones." What is translated as "foreign gods" in the New Testament in Acts 17:18 is Xenon Daimonion (Ξένων δαιμονίων). Homer and Hesiod both refer to the gods of Olympus with the term "daimones" as well. To the ancient Greeks there were many kinds of daimones (just meaning spirits), some of them agathoudaimones (noble spirits) and some kakodaimones (evil spirits). Christian world has largely merged the meaning of kakodaimones and διάβολος diabolos (devils) to be what daimones means, but historically that was not so.So anyway, the Hindu gods (xenon daimonion), local village guardian spirits, forest spirits, etc, they are all daimones, and demons as we call them today usually refers to diabolos/devils who are also daimones. So all of the above are real and they are all daimones.As for reincarnation being real, there are some Christian sects that argue for it it. Heaven and hell are definitely real. Reincarnation could be real in the sense of "being born in another world" like how Pure Land Buddhists aim to be born in the "heaven" or Buddha-field of Amitabha Buddha.The supernatural aspects of Buddhism as it is actually practiced in the East actually line up pretty well with the understanding of traditional Christianity. Traditionally, Christianity acknowledges there are other lowercase-g gods than God, but they are daimones, and not worthy of worship or tribute. Only God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Spirit are the true deity that we have anything to do with. Some people have drawn parallels from this to the Hindu Trimurti of Brahma, Vishnu, and Siva, especially since Vishnu manifests as Krishna, who is called lord (isha), and a lot of people, especially in India, thing Isha Krishna sounds awfully like Iesou Christou.Point is I think western atheist "Buddhists" have it wrong, the Eastern practitioners have it at least partly right.
>>538974140>Believe us jews and worship a jew>everyone else following their ancestors is lies
>>538972582>Hindus and Buddhistsbuddhists have much better hygiene and are far less rapey
>>538968372Ironically it was the Greeks who first started making statues of Buddha, in the Indo-Greek and Greco-Bactrian kingdoms. Before Greeks started making statuary of Buddha, he was represented by just an empty chair or a pair of footprints.
>>538974544based take
>>538974638Compared to muslims every one usually is.
>>538969866A lot of Buddhism IS just "bullshit religion in it for the tithes" at least as much as Christianity or whatever. The monks literally survive based on the good graces of their surrounding communities. They are largely not and have never been self-sufficient. The relationship of the monks to the lay people is rather parasitic. At least in Europe most monastic communities strive for self-sufficiency, though most were created by the donations of wealthy patrons. You can praise Zen all you want for "oh they only take sincere new students, they make them wait outside the gates for three days before allowing them to enter the monastery" and other such legendary bullshit, but the actual truth is that Zen temples, and all Buddhist temples in Japan, are essentially businesses, and they do a lot of commercial dealings in "blessings" for the people, especially around new years. They do all kinds of tricks to try to drum up tourism and attract crowds. They do all kinds of fakery and magic tricks to try to get donation "oooh try to lift this buddha, it has the weight of your sin! you can't lift it? make a donation and try again! Oooh you can lift it now!"If you've never seen it you just have no fucking clue about Japanese Buddhism. If you think it is somehow "more pure or spiritual" than going to a Cathedral in Europe, then you've just swallowed their bullshit hook line and sinker. Newsflash: the do proselytize. The public in Japan isn't even that Buddhist, but they all pay some lip service to it because of the hard work of Buddhist monks preaching to the public.What Buddhism DOES have is some cautioning about lay-people becoming MONKS, because that means that someone is joining in on their GRIFT to fleece the lay-people, which means they don't just get to join randomly. In a sense it's no different than becoming one of the clergy of any other religion. It's not like you can show up at a Catholic or Orthodox church and say "I wanna be a priest now"
>>538967609Demons exist and Hindu gods are demons.
>>538967609white guy who got into buddhism here. i seem uniquely qualified to answer thisthe buddha was just a guy. an unusual guy, though. he had a lot of insight about the workings of the mindthe buddha himself said he only taught two things: suffering and the end of sufferingi.e. why we suffer and how to stop sufferingSE asia are ostensibly buddhists. but almost nobody actually practices buddhismi.e. almost nobody is trying to abide by the program known as the noble eightfold paththe real religion of the whole area should be called something like Keeping Spirits Happythat's what thais domonks in city temples in thailand are in the business of interceding in the spirit world to put magical safety shields on motorcycles and stuff like thatthat's what thais want, but it has nothing to do with buddhismso who's right? mostly westerners. because people are better at assessing things when they look with fresh eyes
>>538974233Case in point about how Hindus act.
>>538967875>Anyway nobody's ever been able to explain Buddhism to my satisfactionit's pretty simplethe brain is an extremely configurable systemit's far more configurable than a computer. it's more similar to the internet than a computerjust because we're animals, we have a lot of configurations in our brains related to being animalsthe big 3 categories in buddhism are greed, hatred, and delusioni.e. we tend to like some things and want to keep them, and we dislike some things and want to push them away, and we want to be unaware of some other things or not look at them criticallyall these configurations make our behavior worsefor example, if you take any case of a murder or embezzlement or whatever, you can usually trace it back to greed, hatred, envy, etcthe point of buddhism is to attenuate stuff like greedas you attenuate greed, you become happier because wanting less stuff. your behavior is also improving, which is also good for happinessit is a virtuous cycleso that's buddhism. reconfiguring the brain to be happier and less afflicted by harmful configurations
/pol/tards who convert to Buddhism:>OM SRI MAHAKALA HUM HUM PEPE!!!! PRAISE BE TO THE ETERNAL DESTROYER OF ALL TIME AND SPACE! TEACH US TO SEVER OUR TIES TO THIS LIMINAL EXISTENCE AS WE END THE SAMSARIC CYCLES OF THE ENEMIES OF THE DHARMA
>>538967609Youre not a Buddhist if youre still just a layman. Unless you go to extremes like no pleasure, no wants, giving everything up and living In solitary confinement with other monks, than youre just a larper trying to feel something spiritual and like you've got some meaning in your life.
>>538975142>>538975018So do you think that Mahayana and particularly Vajrayana are "not real Buddhism" then? Because what you are describing is a modernist Therevada school. There are PLENTY of Buddhist sutras that talk about the existence of gods and spirits and so on and so forth. Even JUST remaining in the Tipitaka, we see plenty of discussions of devas, ashuras, various other kinds of spirits like nature spirits, of Mara the Tempter, and so on. You can handwave huge chunks of their literal written scriptural tradition away if you want to, because you happen to attend a modernist meditation group with a leader that focuses on the fundamental teachings of Buddha as per Bhikku Bodhi or whoever. I agree with you that the fundamental, core principles of Buddhism are what you describe. However, the Tipitaka is absolutely chock full of supernatural cosmology, and that doesn't even approach how the corpus of Mahayana and Vajrayana sutras deal with the topic of gods, demons, spirits, and so on.To deny that the Buddhist scriptures represent actual Buddhist belief is just ignorance. Maybe YOU want to ignore them, because that doesn't fit your (western, atheist) worldview. You are just attending seminars intended for your western, atheist consumption. The "folk practices" of the Thai monks blessing motorcycles and so on still represents "Real Buddhism" as it is actually practiced, and isn't purely Thai folk belief "mixed with Buddhism" because you can find justification for it within the Tipitaka.
>>538967609unlike the abrahamic dune trilogy central figures of dharmic faiths never claim to be god or chosen messengers or son or cousin. that should tell which one is a psyop
>>538975373well, it seems to me that every extant kind of buddhism is some distortion of the teachingsthat's to be expected, just due to our technological problems in the early days and the amount of time we're talking aboutthat's why it's important to look at it with fresh eyes and not be dogmaticthe point of the teachings is to be perfectly happy. we do that by attenuating craving. that's the essential stuffpeople really like to hear stories about heaven and monsters and all that. but real buddhism is kind of like bodybuilding in that it's really about exerciseit's just that we measure progress in this thing by how much we're decreasing cravingevery decrease in craving and hatred is a step toward perfect happiness and perfect behaviori would challenge all the guys with fancy stories about gods and such, how does this decrease your craving?it's like having a picture of a famous bodybuilder on your wall instead of lifting heavy objects
>>538972532Between the lines you see that you're already getting it even if you are a little upset:Truth will be truth even when all its adherents have long since died"Destiny" appears to be a mass of brown subhumans following false religionsIt's not a problem since this was already foretold as well
>>538967609Buddhism isn't a philosophy and it's not a religion. Buddha taught the way to the cessation of stress and suffering. Like if you want to bake a cake you follow the recipe, the recipe isn't a philosophy or a religion.
>>538968511siddha type shit
>>538975452>never claim to be godwhat is shaktipat? There are plenty, plenty of gurus in the Dharmic faiths who declare that they are Siva or whoever. It is extremely common that the gurus of various traditions claim to be avatars or embodiments of this or that deity. Why even bother telling such an inane lie that is clearly wrong with only cursory research into famous Hindu teachers? Maybe Sikhs are more reasonable. They are certainly more based.>>538975530Ok, so you mean you just choose to reduce your understanding of "the Buddhist faith" to a reductionist understanding of one branch of Buddhism, while discarding large tracts of that branch's own scriptures like Devatasamyutta and Devaputtasamyutta, entire sections dealing with devas, and suttas in particular like Sakkapanha Sutta and Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta, which prominently feature interactions between Buddha and various devas, and other sections like the Yodhajiva Vagga which goes into great detail about the nature of ashuras, or elsewhere like the Asura Sutta, or like the Yakhasamyutta which is an entire section where spirits/ghosts/yakhas come and ask riddles and questions to Buddha directly, or like the chant in Atanatiya Sutta where Buddha prays for the Four Heavenly Kings to protect monks from wayward spirits/yakhas, or like the Peta Vatthu which is a section entirely devoted to hungry ghosts, and on and on and on. I could keep going.I actually spent about 15 years as a student of Buddhist texts and honestly I think that you are pulling the wool over your own eyes by ignoring what the tradition itself is telling you. This IS Therevada Buddhism. The operative Buddhist philosophy and technology of meditation practice that you are referring to is only part of that tradition. It represents Buddha's core teachings, I agree, but the rest isn't just "window dressing." They spent enormous efforts copying and maintaining these texts for millennia, for a reason. Not because they didn't believe.
>>538975803yes, i'm just ignoring everything that i don't find helpfuli think the buddha would approve of that. he more or less said that in the parable of the leaves in his handhis point was that he came up with a method to be perfectly happy. i'm doing that program of his. it's called the NEP. nowhere in the NEP will you find anything about heaven and monsters and blah blah blahif you want to learn all about a zillion stories written after his death about heaven and monsters and whatever, knock yourself out. it just doesn't have much to do with the essential stuffit's like if, after dorian yates described how to get strong, for hundreds of years after his death, people came up with all kinds of complicated stories about stuff that were supposedly somehow related to dorian yates getting strongand then hundreds of years later, somebody like me focused on lifting heavy objects and eating lots of protein instead of poring over the weird stories
>>538975452>unlike the abrahamic dune trilogy central figures of dharmic faiths never claim to be godLike one of the first things Krishna says to Arjuna is that he's Vishnu's, Brahman's avatar here to restore dharma though?
>>538975803>Maybe Sikhs are more reasonable. They are certainly more based.Sikhs are so based bro, that a Guru sold his wife and daughter for a parrot.
>>538975909Maybe you are not aware, but you can actually do the same with Christian monasticism. You can choose to "disregard superstition" or whatever and practice hesychasm and practicing the Hours or praying the rosary, and achieve results as well. Christ taught hamartia (missing the mark, originally in archery, usually translated as "sin") and the need to metanoia (change your mind, usually translated as "repent"). You can practice cessation of hamartia through the process of metanoia just as well as you can practice cessation of suffering through the noble eightfold path. The core practice that leads to liberation exists in both traditions. It's probably that you were blinded by Christianity's "supernatural elements" and then when you went to Thailand, some western-facing teacher taught you the core practice in a way that ignored THEIR "supernatural elements" so you look at the people having their motorcycles blessed and you laugh at their superstition and are happy that you are learning the REAL Buddhism, but you never would have opened your heart to Jesus because you thought it was ridiculous for a priest to bless someone's new car or something. It's the same shit. You don't see Buddhism for what it is because you were never immersed in it, you were not raised in it. You see only the flaws of Christianity because you were probably raised in a historically Christian nation, and thus adopted atheism->Buddhism in order to escape from the superstitious Christianity you were raised among. However you have missed the heart of Christianity in doing so, and simply jumped to another tradition which has just as much baggage, you just choose not to recognize it. You then claim to know the heart of their foreign tradition because you are "practicing it" under some teacher.Come home, white man. Your own tradition has a heart you were blind to. Cut to the heart of your own tradition. The Dalai Lama tells people to stay with their native traditions.
>>538967950maybe read some of the works of theologians like Augustinet. Asian who read western classics in college
>>538976156whatever method is fine, as long as it gets the job done. that's what the buddha said. it's about the far shore, not the boatif whatever method you advocate causes somebody to have perfect behavior, it's a good methodif i'd had slightly different circumstances i'd probably be into christian contemplationbut i was raised around stupid christian zealots who used the bible as kind of permission to be crueli know it doesn't have to be like that, but those were my circumstancesnow i find it skillful to just meditate and gradually attenuate my craving and not overintellectualize the processi have to go run an errand. may you be safe, well, happy, and peaceful
Buddha is to Buddhism as Jesus is to Christianity.Jesus even said he was throwing pearls before swine, Buddha probably said the same thing, it just wasn't recorded.
>>538976330Be well, brother. Blessings upon you. Good luck with your practice.
>>538976255This. Very often a lot of people raised around Christianity, particularly American Protestants, are only aware of a peculiar kind of folk Christianity the same way that some people in Asia only practice folk Buddhism. They have a tendency to ignore the vast wealth of the Christian philosophical and theological tradition, and then they find philosophy in some other tradition and go "wow what a gem, I wish we had something like this!" but really they were just ignorant to it.I think there is a kind of spiritual "hyperopia" which is common everywhere. People are disinterested in the religious environment they were raised in because they are very familiar with the flaws of the people around them, but they see some religious tradition far away and say "wow, how beautiful, how spiritual, amazing!" and idealize that tradition in their mind, because they only see the best parts of it. It's like thinking you know a place from the tourism propaganda.I personally had that experience with Daoism and Buddhism, which I studied quite seriously for a long time, and then realized "oh these people are just as bad or worse than the people in my own tradition" so I just returned to my own tradition and realized all the beautiful things I had been seeking were present there all along, only I had been blind to them in the same way a fish is blind to the water they swim in.
>>538975373Its just evolution, the base faith was already distorted by the time the Sangha was cementing political power. They had to appeal to kings, almost exactly like the Jains. Infact everything Buddha did is a copy of what Mahavira the Jain 24th Tirthankara did too, buddhism is just a milder appeal to the majority middle path, while Traditional Dharmic society was on the other end of the spectrum and Jainism on the polar opposite being extremely austere. Buddism did this to inculcate the culture of proselytization and preach others into dhamma, in the decultured Pali that sought to redefine religion in the rough and rustic tongue of Pali instead of the objectively superior Sanskrit as notarized in its form then by Panini.Buddhism is populist deconstructionism
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>>538971545Then it encourages individualism, which so happens to be illusionary, rather than conformism, which is also illusionary, lol you pedantic tard fuck.
>>538967609The second is the correct interpretation. White people are fucking retarded with religion. Hell I've seen someone call themselves a Christian because they believe Jesus' philosophy ignoring all of the religious crap though.
>>538967609Buddhism is inferior to Christianity.
I believe in America
>>538974745I know why White countries haven't kicked out Muslims in the West but what is India's excuse? You don't have "muh White guilt" or anything else holding you back, so what is it?
>>538967609All religions are trashOnly stupid Thai people still follow buddhism most are atheist
Religion has no place in the rational society of today, Buddhism is literally a net drain on progress imagine doing nothing but meditating all day wtf is this bullshit and investing time and money into this black hole when it could be used to progress the nation and make it competitive Buddhism inherently is anti competitivenessFuck religions so much holy shit
Yeah I fucking walk barefoot and meditate wow what a life livedThe main purpose in life is greed and conquest. We want to grow and move forward. We want more. Every person desires more. That is what made humans so superior today compared to every species on this planetWe need to punch forward
>>538979596hey, dummy. i recognize you from the last few times you were stupid on here>>538979647>The main purpose in life is greed and conquest.i feel bad for you. you're going to have a hard timebut you get as many chances as you needjust way more chances than you actually want
>>538979647Human is onlu superior because God made it that way.
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>>538973925>>gay shallow trend chaser loves buddism because it's diverse and exoticwho said that? >>but the notion of Yahweh makes him deeply uncomfortablekill yourself kike lover
>>538967609Anything related to Hinduism i hate
>>538979689You’re everything whats wrong with society but the revolution is coming soon. People are waking up and don’t care about this. Everyone is hyper aware nowTraitors to the nation will be beheaded. They think they can sell out the nation but they are wrong and atheism will rise as usual since people will be educated en masse>>538979742Humanitys greed got us this far
>>538979977why not make it clear to yourself and everyone in the thread how delusional you are by actually trying to explain why i'm everything that's wrong with society?when i meditate, i let the mind sit on the feeling of universal friendliness, and i gradually attenuate my greedplease explain how this is causing you (and all of society) big problems
>>538967609Neither is right, and I don't say that, maybe a low IQ white normie would say that. Reincarnation is real, he explicite said that it's part of life, meaning is attach to life and therefore evolution and genetics.You cannot for example reincarnate from one species to another, that is dumb and most likely misinterpretation since he was a white dude, his original followers teach people from all over eurasia.Maybe spiritually he has reach other dimensions, this is not some crazy talk, other dimensions it's real.There's even a show-documentary skinwalker ranch that probe such phenomena. The fact they couldn't get much besides some proxy image of the structures tells more about our lack of science than anything else. They bring the best system to detect and they still come empty handed, only with anomalies, time after time.There's also the whole Ayyys telling us to stop testing nukes because it affects parallel dimensions or something like that.
>>538967609>Who is correct?Shinto, the one true faith.
>>538979977Nope. Stability is the foundation of progress.
>>538979806That's what Germans look like now that they have been genocided.
>>538980048Everything we have today is because of greed and progress. Meditation, buddhism, and all religions exist just to maintain the status quo.However if we want to further our society and make it the best in asia we will have to abandon religion which exists as a front to allow corruption and keep the old guard in powerToday it is changing massively thoughAnd the elites can feel it which is why they’re so desperate but itll all be in vain when it all comes crashing down in 5-10 years There will be violence, bloodshed, but it’ll be a reality check and the society that rises from the ashes of the past will be a stable republic with progress, growth, and a good quality of life>>538980216Stability = live in the jungle forever
>>538980259ok, have fun in samsarabuddhism or something like it will be waiting for you when you finally get sick of the endless heartbreak
I'd argue that there's a difference between the original intent of a religion and the perversion of said religion once it becomes organized. Don't thinkt the mythology was much more than a vehicle of sorts meant to explain stuff using culutral framework but the cultural framework isn't the message. Western lifestyle buddhism is its own kind of pervertion of the original intent because it also tries to make a home of something that's just meant to get a point across. That whole eat, pray, love kind of spiritual materialism is self-indulgent, but so is thai notion of.. and then Buddha's horse went to heaven and became a god!!!! But really it doesn't matter as long as it's getting the job down, which largely it is not. Neither in Asia or the West, most people are lost and Buddhism generally won't change that. Meanwhile it's not like people want to hear the truth either, they want their zafus and their beads and all lifestyle stuff. Meanwhile the asians want their traditions and monastries and light incense or whatever the fuck. Both are stuck in different ways.
>>538980348I’m angry at societyAnd if heaven and hell do exist I don’t care I’ll gladly accept hellBecause I know hell is where the smart people will end up whereas ‘heaven’ is where the docile will beYes I don’t care. I will fight I’m ready to fight. I’m dangerous, not because I’m out for blood but because I’m hungry and when the opportunity arises the establishment will come to fear people like me like they did with the brown shirts and the communists
>>538980540you're angry at societyyou're hostile towards stuff you can't answer basic questions aboutyou seem like a troubled personancient wisdom says greed is a recipe for miseryyou say greed is good, but you're unhappymaybe consider the possibility that you're wrong and need to think a bit more and investigate new possibilities with an open mind
>>538978602To actually remove them completely they need to be subsumed into the whole, to dissolve them into the whole is the best punishment they will get while they are ground down culturally. Its the only option they left after their depredations in the past, they will be socioeconomically oppressed by their own elites so the loss of faith is inevitable, a return to native traditions encouraged and the relevance of present islam completely lost and forgotten. That takes a lot of time, they will be spent completely by 2047 anyway.
>>538980259Stability = Eternal life, living forever.
>>538980540Hell is when you become a worthless cripple, and you are gradually moving toward it.
>>538967609jungle asians obvthose are the dudes teenage jesus learned how to fly and make gold and all his other magic frombut that said, i do actually think ol sid was trying to make a religion that actually transcends into the secular
>>538967609Neither?
>>538967609>Gods and spirits aren't realFar as I know, Buddha never said that. In west buddhism is neutered, like all other religions.
>>538967609if you dont believe in nirvana its just cuckoldism
>>538975909>i'm just ignoring everything that i don't find helpfulPerfect. Immersed myself in every "religion", cult, mythology. Contemplated 0, studied theoretical physics and practiced transcendental meditation aided by chemical and natural drugs and without. In deserts, on mountain top, islands and jungle. Squatted in the dust, climbed pyramids and drawn veve's on hard packed clay. I don't know shit for sure. There is the known, the unknown and the unknowable. A fact is we must play the hand we are dealt and don't fuck up someone else's struggle to play theirs. So whatever can bring you a bit of peace during your transit.
>>538979957>who said that?diff fag, but ill say thatand its not only the truth a lot of times, but its not even new, or unique to buddhism. in rome, they had the same exact trend, but with jews, as judaism was seen as a far off exotic religion of the east. within certain circles of rome, it became fashionable for some to start practicing random bits of jewish teachings, like not eating pork, trying to keep sabbath. they werent actually jews, and they didnt convert, they were just being hipsters. its just a thing that happens when you have a more secular society. ppl get exposed to diff gods/beliefs, and they think new shiny one is cooler than their old one
>>538971780Jesus never claimed to be Jehovah. He claimed to be Messiah. Much different. Buddha never claimed to be God, just enlightened. Yet people try to make them God. Hmmm interesting.
>>538967609>Buddhism is just a philosophy.Anyone who says this is a certified retard. Real proper Buddhism in Asia and SEA has even more superstitions and dogma than a 30+ year old astrologist, tarot reader roastie.
>>538970131If even that
>>538972694Lot of greeks in western asia were buddhists, too bad it didn't spread like christianity to Europe.
>>538967609If you get 1,000,000 people who are enlightened and you place them into the same place and acclimate their mind and thoughts to the same idea, frequency, or whatever you call it.They can not only shape the thought form of the collective group, they can literally change the fabric of reality. This is because consciousness itself builds existence, Consciousness does not emerge from existence; existence emerges through consciousness. In the beginning was thought, and from thought came all things.When you understand this, you will understand God, Buddha, and Brahman.
>>538972111>spirituality is cope and it comes from dissatisfaction with the material worldwhat a fucking observationtake my reddit gold for your genius post
Thinking Buddhism is some sort of proto scientific materialist reddit philosophy is completely retarded and made up 1960's hippe Jews like Joseph Goldstein. Buddhism has a vast cosmology and its supernatural elements are absolutely fundamental.
>>538982360There is a philosophical and spiritual core that supersedes the superstitions but most people get lost in the trappings surrounding the religion which is Ironically something the Buddha would have totally-not-raged at.
>>538983569>Buddhism has a vast cosmologyyou mean over 2500 years, people said a bunch of weird stuff, and it's under the buddhist tent>its supernatural elements are absolutely fundamental.nope, you can totally ignore all of it and still attenuate your craving all the way down to zero and gain enlightenmentso it's not fundamental, it's just some weird stuff that you can read about if you're bored, but utterly inessential
>>538983318Didn't really jell with native European religion, besides Europe had better alternatives in Gnosticism and Neoplatonism.
>>538984081>Didn't really jell with native European religionMaybe not Greek or Roman but the Uralic/Germanic/Slavic/Celtic religions were largely animist, like Shinto in Japan.
>>538983662>you mean over 2500 years, people said a bunch of weird stuff, and it's under the buddhist tentNo, it's literally in the earliest extant evidence we have of Buddhism and plastered all over the suttas. There's constant references to supernormal powers, visits to other realms, gods and deities, and the Buddha constantly argues with schools and teachers that espouse a materialist worldview. If you're going to call into question the legitimacy of those texts, and appeal to some kind of ahistoricity based on the fact that originally Buddhism was an oral tradition, etc. like all you tards do, why even pretend to be Buddhist?>enlightenmentEnlightenment = freedom from rebirth. If you don't belief in rebirth there's literally zero reason to be a Buddhist, in fact it's completely retarded and it would be much more reasonable to be a hedonist.Being a reddit materialist Buddhist is like being Christian that doesn't believe in God or that Jesus died on the cross for your sins ,but still prays because it makes them feel good. Completely retarded.
>>538984667the buddha said he taught suffering and the end of sufferingwhen people asked him various questions, he declined to answer because the answers wouldn't be helpfulif you went to dorian yates and wanted to talk about some weird story that didn't really have anything to do with getting strong, he would tell you to quit wasting your time and just lift heavy objectsif the buddha were here today and people wanted to ask him about heaven and monsters and gods and other realms, he would tell them to just quit worrying about it and try to abide by the NEPyou really seem to like BS. i like to reduce my craving because it makes me happierhappiness and perfect behavior are the point of buddhismyou can read BS until your eyes fall outi will do the NEP
>>538984081It meshed very well. Gods of the greeks became bodhisattvas in the greek buddhism.
>>538967609Buddhism was based on Scythian Shamanism which was a white person's philosophical, almost Puritanesque interpretation of Mongolian (actually, Tuvan) shamanism which was the basis for Native American religion with totem poles and Great Spirit and spirit animals and were-ism etc.In High Scythian Shamanism, there are spirit realms connected to the order of nature and ontological differentiation and Buddhism was reconciling that world with general post-Vedic Hinduism.Then the Kushan Empire brought Buddhism to Central Asia and it fucked Greek Neoplatonist paganism and landed in China where they junglized it into a transactional rice ant religion.
>>538983318Buddhist monks were in Alexandria, Egypt by at least the 2nd century BC. Buddhism had some influence on the Hellenic world, and could have even had influence on Jesus during his life, but of course that is a complete unknown. It was at least present in the Mediterranean region, since Emperor Ashoka sent monks as emissaries to Greece, Syria, and Egypt in the 3rd century BC. By the second century AD, Clement of Alexandria mentions the Buddhists directly in his writing, so they were present and interacting with early Christians. I think they had a lot of philosophical debates with the Greek philosophers, and ultimately the Greeks didn't find it that compelling. At the time the Hellenic world in the Mediterranean seemed more interested in mystery cults like those of Eleusis, Dionysus, and Mithras for their mysticism. Christianity was popular because it had mystery cult elements while also being popular among some of the mainstream philosophical schools that had argued with the Buddhists, (e.g. platonists).I don't really think it's a shame, I think Europe wouldn't be a better place necessarily with Buddhism. I do think that probably there were too few Buddhists to be impactful. One of the strong arguments for Jesus being a real person is that Christianity spread around the Mediterranean like a bomb blast, within a single generation of Jesus crucifixion they were already big enough in Rome that Nero blamed them for the Great Fire in 63AD. That indicates that some kind of real event carried far and wide by many witnesses. By contrast, there were probably only trickles of Buddhists, and ultimately it didn't have the force of "news." It was just some old shit from some far away foreign country. Yet another wise man to add to a long list of wise men, and "why should we prefer this foreign wise man to our own?"
>>538967609Fuck Hindus
>>538984940>great fire in 63ADsorry, it was 64AD
>>538984940The Kushan Empire was sort of cool for minting coins of 1) Greek gods2) Zoroastrian spirits3) Buddhist boddhisatvasIt's sort of unbelievably based but the Huns killed that vibe, plus the Dravidian slaves brought up that became "Black Turks" AKA gypsies.By the way, South India is cool because Tamil-Dravidians for some reason are based, but Brahmic-Dravidians are retarded poop eaters. I think whites are cool and all, but there is some deep dysgenics in the Slavic R1a population but also in the Gaelic R1b population.I tend to think R1b are such Chads they spread R1b far and wide but only just enough to lock down the Y chromosome and a lot of dysgenic trash hides behind R1b
>>538985119>I tend to think R1b are such Chads>high concentration of R1b near Lake ChadLooks like you're right
>>538967609none of them
>>538980101Are you Japanese?
>>538967609The only reason why the masses divorced from Christianity is because of a new found love for materialism, thus a new lover like Buddhism can only be on philosophical grounds, if the metaphysical is granted then Christianity is obviously true. So the only way for the recently apostate to move to other faiths is by a strictly secularized version. Nowadays people are more open to spirituality in general but Christianity has been weakened to such a point people barely understand it anyway.
>>538986965Animism is just to find spirit in the natural world, and it is it happened to be almost everyone’s original religion. Abrahamism is actually so spiritually dead it borders on atheism, nothing in this world is sacred spare for a few man made monuments and parcels of borderline worthless land(desert in the Middle East). The only true sacredness is an invisible friend who we can't see.
>>538987674Yes God is not of this world, you won't find him in some rock in the woods or on top of some mountain. In that sense Christianity is very sober about spirituality. That's partially why in the old testament the Israelites constantly made idols because we humans have a need for something we can touch & feel. This is where our faith and patience is tested.When he comes back he will destroy this fallen world and reform it, along with all the counterfeit gods. Then he will truly walk with us in all senses and we will see him as he truly is. Until that day the church will have to remain a faithful bride and not whore herself out just because she misses her husband. It's no excuse.
>>538968511those are some comically large hilts for stabbing someone in the back
>>538968372But touchdown Jesus is based
>>538987970Apparently this physical world and universe are devoid of spirituality, and Yahweh is waiting for you in the backrooms of another dimension because nothing here is good enough. Let’s ignore the instinct to breathe and hold our breath so that your Jewish messiah will return.
>>538984851imo it's not about being happy all the timeexpecting to be happy all the time is actually a form of attachment
>>538967609Buddhism =/= Hinduism
>>538968566>bro just wageslave for 70 years then die lmao>but also you do it all over againreincarnation is the be the vilest believe there has ever been
>>538976938Jesus paid the price for souls by his blood, not church states.jesuitism, freemasonry and romanism is by the devil to deceive people from realizing what the sacrifice of Jesus achieved.furthermore, Jesus is seated in heaven having all authority given to him, not experiencing torment.
>>538992098>enjoy the drama and excitement of life with fresh eyes over and over again >live in the backrooms for eternity with your Jewish prophets
>>538994076>muh hecking hustle and bustle
> Then the Buddha came out of his dwelling and proceeded to begin walking mindfully, and Ambaṭṭha did likewise. Then while walking beside the Buddha, Ambaṭṭha scrutinized his body for the thirty-two marks of a great man. Finally he remembered what his teacher Pokkharasāti told him: he will know the Buddha by his marks. He saw all of them except for two, which he had doubts about: whether the private parts are sheathed in a foreskin, and the largeness of the tongue.> Then it occurred to the Buddha, “This student Ambaṭṭha sees all the marks except for two, which he has doubts about: whether the private parts are sheathed in a foreskin, and the largeness of the tongue.” > Then the Buddha used his psychic power to will that Ambaṭṭha would see his private parts sheathed in a foreskin. >And he stuck out his tongue and stroked back and forth on his ear holes and nostrils, and covered his entire forehead with his tongue.>Then Ambaṭṭha thought, “The ascetic Gotama possesses the thirty-two marks completely, lacking none.”https://suttacentral.net/dn3/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin
>>538967810pearls thrown to swines
>>538994450>muh hecking יהוה
>>538967950>actual cosmology
>>538967609The Jungle Asians. Secularism is pure midwittery. Anyone who has ever actually studied philosophy will acknowledge the supranatural and immaterial as being more real than the natural and material.
