https://www.reuters.com/world/new-york-becomes-first-state-impose-data-center-moratorium-2026-07-14/
>>538978110Bitch do you want America to lose? You serve communist China?
>>538978243Prove to me there's no jewish money behind this angle of shilling
>>538978358You can't really prove a negative, you would have to prove there is. The problem though is lack of economic growth and infrastructure, this does hurt NY who have been losing billions in tax revenue and investment in the state because of heavy government mismanagement. Data centers are just going to be built in other states. The hysterics about water usage are overblown, much like how leftists only care about CO2 emissions in the US and Europe, when China and Asia are the main drivers of emissions and they are not slowing down.
>>538978243Of course not, like all champagne socialists who are pro immigrants/refugees but don't want them in their nice neighbourhoods, they're ultimately pro data centers and will use them, they just don't want them in their backyard.
>>538978358>>538978595I find it funny how the biggest anti data centers shill can't define whats wrong with it either.
>>538978689They are just the new anti-nuclear hippies, they hear horror stories and now want to destroy the country because of it. Being anti-nuclear is obviously more retarded and could have solved all our energy issues if we followed the Atomic Energy Commission under Nixon to have 1000 nuclear plants by 2000. But anyway, their main goal is usually to destroy the US's dominance in any and all industries.
>>538978595>waterNow do electricity and memory
>>538978689>anti data centers shill can't define whats wrong with itThe data centers get free land, free water and free electricity paid for with your tax dollars.
>>538978799that does explain so much of their bullshit with data centers. like the >it take an oceans worth of water to run and all that water is simply unusable for all time and cant be treated..
>>538978971so do politicians.
>>538978971You know that they will have to pay water and electricity bills like everyone else, right?
>>538978689data centers are fuel wealth to big corps and to foreign states. The west doesnt build the hardware and electronics thats mostly Asia and a big part of it is China. Its a subsidy for them in the same way as the green energy push. The data center wont be making a return on its cost any time soon but it will increase the stock price so wealthy people get wealthier. You get a short term gain in economic activity afterwards once its build the community isnt going to get any share of the profits just property tax thats it. Neither of that is really a problem if data centers arent a major part of your growth but thats whats happening right now. Clown world economics.
>>538978110SpaceX is going to be so fucking rich
>>538979042>all our rates rising is okay because they gotta pay it tooFucking retard
>>538979063>stocks are evil magic that only rich people have access toYou know that you can just buy stocks right? Its not like the brokers will refuse to sell to you just because you're a dumb incel.
>>538978902They are rapidly building more energy infrastructure because of the need of energy, this has also finally spurred on more investment and construction of nuclear power with things like Microsoft restarting TMI and Google and Amazon investing in SMRs. This is on top of more Natural gas (yes you need things like natural gas, coal, nuclear etc. to provide consistent baseload) as well as wind and solar. New York has tons of energy issue even before data centers, they shut down the Indian point nuclear power plant with was providing 25% of the power to NYC in 2020 and they wonder why electricity prices got more expensive. As for memory they are also building more infrastructure in the US to produce memory faster here.There are a lot of positive effects that spur our economy to react to problems and create better outcomes. Saying we can only live with the infrastructure we have now is idiotic.
>>538979126Robinhood literally made stocks accessible to the poorest of poor.Download appPut what's left over in your paycheck after bills into Walmart
>>538978243Ah yes that's how we will defeat China by having lots of AI chatbot girlfriends for young boys and men. Who needs steel or shipbuilding or rare earths? We've got AI girlfriends and rolling blackouts and that's all you need to win a war.
>>538979167>They are rapidly building more energy infrastructure because of the need of energyProof? Why are they asking people to conserve energy?
>>538979063>people use a shit load of internet connected devices in a single house>this causes bandwidth issue, which most people hatehow do you fix it?>satellites= space junk that can fuck up the atmosphere, expensive>more wired connections, very time consuming and expensive>data center= central location and expandablepick one, go ahead.
>>538979167>They are rapidly building more energy infrastructure because of the need of energy, this has also finally spurred on more investment and construction of nuclear powerLMAO! What a fucking retard.
>>538979042The data centers don't pay water or electricity because the local government gave them years of free utilities as an incentive.
>>538978976Or because its all backed entirely by jews for jews to create the beast system. Complete AI surveillence on everything, digital currency and ID, AI controlled drones for enforcement, and even minority report crime prediction/prevention. With it they will finally realize the promise of the talmud and enslave all the goyim. The only reasonable argument for AI is you're a jew and want to rule the goyim under noahide law. So please faggot, show me how jewish you are again.
>>538979188>data center is just ai in his headkek, what a retard.
>>538979126sure I can but I cant take out a 0% loan on the stocks nor can I dump and pump it. Just having the stocks does nothing you have to sell them and if you dont pay attention you will get buttfucked either by taxes or the usual dump. Its a retarded argument that ignores the wealth difference between owning 10k in stocks and owning several billions in stocks.>>538979191this is not about bandwidth this is about compute which by all experience will simply be unnecessary within 3-5 years. Its retarded to put all your eggs into the big data center basket.
>>538978971>The data centers get free land, free water and free electricity paid for with your tax dollars.Factually untrue, I believe the story you're referring to about the "free water" (then you extrapolate from there to say they get free everything) was a utility company in Georgia incorrectly measuring how much water a data center was using and didn't charge them for it. Once this error was corrected the data center also paid for the water they were not charged for.
>>538979252>ill take, "what is the partiot act" for 500, alex.
>>538979126deaf ears. some people are spiritually broke and will be poor their entire life.try telling a communist they can get their own SHARE of these companies they’re constantly seething about having record profits.try telling them they could also have record profits.instead they ignore & decide to abstain bc stocks = bad. all they want is their communist utopia! improve their situation within the existing system? impossible.they exist in negativity.
OP are you ESL? A moratorium on new construction isn't the same thing as a ban.
>>538979190I listed proof, infrastructure takes time, but places like NY have done everything they can to make building any kind of new energy construction impossible, which is why after shutting down Indian Point, energy prices started to skyrocket.
>>538979272>the problem isnt that everything is being connected to the internet and uses bandwidth and data to use, its actually the computing partI doubt your claim and claim it to be ridiculous.
The shills in these threads are so bad at their jobs. During the last heat wave, several US states were on the verge of their power grids collapsing, with grid utilization rates exceeding 95%. Where is this immense additional energy supposed to come from? Either an infrastructure expansion will be initiated, which doesn't seem likely and is also improbable, or an AC ban will be introduced in the coming years.
>>538979377>ac banwhat will eurofags think of next.this is inconceivable to the american mind.our power grids are fine, thanks.except texas.
>>538979377>stats said they were over loadingmy state says we have a drought right now, a5bd everyone still runs water for pools and shit. state warning are a joke 97% of the time.
>>538979267Ah yes it's also storage so they can datamine your photos, facebook posts, and google docs. How could I forget. Tell me what advantage does it actually offer to have tons of datacenters?
>>538978243American dam status?
>>538979365>I listed proof>Restarting a plant that will have to be decomissioned in 20 years anyway>All of the power is going to retarded datacentersWow this is so useful.
>>538979377>During the last heat wave, several US states were on the verge of their power grids collapsing, with grid utilization rates exceeding 95%Not really on the verge of collapse, but many state have made little to no investment in their power infrastructure for decades, despite increased power demands, not just from data centers, but from more people and people using more power every day, including things like more electric cars, which yes charging them puts more strain on the grid. There will never be an AC ban, as a lot of people need AC to live in the south.
>>538979554Southerns will die, and that's a good thing.
>>538979468We have smart meters now so they can just start throttling or increasing the price 10x during heat waves. This wasn't possible in the past, now they can just press a button and the price of electricity is adjusted to be 10x or 100x higher.
>>538979538Nuclear power plants don't get decommissioned after 20 years, they have a 40 year license and then a option to renewals (with upgrades) every 20 years. Nuclear reactors can operate safely for 80+ years, it's + because they can operate beyond that but we haven't been using nuclear energy that long.
>>538979167You physically cannot scale the electricity to match the needs of the data centers, so it "improves" it but adds in a new customer that ackshually will slurp up all that power and more.They are trying to increase power generation now, but when a data center goes online it's slurping all that power and boom now prices are doubled for everyone else to discourage them from using it.
>>538979507>ill take "what is the patriot act" for 500, again, Alex. or the simple fact phone companies already work with the government for that exact thing. so, whats the problem?
>>538979468>>538979554Physics applies in america too. There won't be a direct ban. But electricity prices will rise so much, especially on peak consumption days, that private demand will fall sufficiently. Your government doesn't have the funds for expansion, and your poor don't have the economic power to make such an expansion viable for the private sector. The south, in particular, should be up in arms against data centers.
>>538978110based
>>538979652TMI unit 1 is already 52 years old, in 20 years it will be 72 years old.
>>538979718What's the advantage retard? Whether or not you care about datamining what advantage does it give us over China to store massive amounts of data?
>>538979702>the doubled prices on energy will be blamed on data centers instead of local governments increasing your taxesincredible.
>>538978689Drives up demand for electricity and water, creates a public nuisance via noise/vibration; facilitates mass surveillance of the public (a violation of the 4th amendment; LLMs building a digital profile of you to track your activities and violate your anonymity online constitutes an unreasonable search).
>>538979756its a domestic industry that's taxable you retard. its a building project, so that means years of construction contracts and otger things the stim local economies. what tangible disadvantages does it have?
>>538979799so does mass migration and thats the biggest factor driving up those prices. what else?
>>538979652>data center shill is also nuclear shillNot surprising. Just ask france what their nuclear power plant refurbishments are currently costing. Furthermore, nuclear power plant output is reduced on hot days, making it particularly unsuitable for solving peak problems.
>>538979862>China subsidizing its construction industry through building houses is bad>America subsidizing its construction industry by building datacenters is goodIf you want to subdize industries subsidize something that's not useless. We won't win a war with China by storing twitter posts and rolling blackouts.
>>538979723they'll ban electric cars first. ac is s REQUIREMENT in certain states and areas for a house to be livable by local codes.
>>538979938>nuclear power plant output is reduced on hot daysIt really isn't, French are just weird. t. Nuclear worker. Gonna reach 90s today, red grid so they don't want us mucking about in the plant, and we'll be operating at 100% power all day.
>>538979958>putting words in other people's mouths just so he can have an argumentneat. when did I even mention chinese building itt? go ahead and quote it, you little propagandists. until then, I accept your concession. :)
>>538979971They will change those codes. You will die like a toddler left in a car.
>>538980031why would they change zip code?
>>538979702Yes, and they can extend the license beyond that, Microsoft only has the license for 20 years after upgrading the rector, but it can be extended as the end of the license approaches. This is a very fast way to add a ton more power generation onto the grid by 2027, when the average time for construction of a nuclear power plant in the US is 5-10 years (now could be reduced thanks to the reduction in licensing time last year). This is on top of a bunch of new ideas for power, like using already built coal power plants and turning them into custom SMRs.Infrastructure lags behind demand a lot of the time, Europe wants to invest more in their military, but they don't have the infrastructure so it's more of a 10+ year plan to even be able to do that despite the money being there. In this case it was a great short term solution to a bigger problem.
>>538980028You have yet to mention an actual advantage. Building datacenters for the sake of building datacenters does nothing to empower and enrich the nation, it's just a pyramid scheme. At least Chinese apartments can be lived in once the company owning them defaults, datacenters will just be useless landmarks.
538980077>>538979862>its a domestic industry that's taxable you retard. its a building project, so that means years of construction contracts and otger things the stim local economies. what tangible disadvantages does it have?
>>538980069>it can be extended as the end of the license approachesIt can, but it won't be
Moratoriums=/= bansThey are just tabling regulations on data centers. you can still put in a data center in new york state>>538978971
>>538979938>Furthermore, nuclear power plant output is reduced on hot days, making it particularly unsuitable for solving peak problemsThis has nothing to do with nuclear power plants which are fine operating at extreme temperatures, it has to do with France's environmental regulations for all state owned nuclear power plants to reduce or stop output when water temperatures reach a certain threshold.
>>538980069>Just produce more bro we can produce moreWe can't. They've tried for decades already. It can't scale to match data centers>New chip comes out that's more efficient but requires more power>Entire data center upgrades to consume 2x more powerCan't scale energy production in the same way, it's just not possible. Energy production is you buying a turbine and waiting years for it to be delivered, it's not scalable.
>>538980128Licenses are extended a lot, Diablo Canyon was suppose to be permanently shut down by 2025 (unit 1 in 2024, unit 2 in 2025), but it was much too important to power generation so they did the upgrades and renewed the license for another 20 years. What was a huge problem in NY was shutting down Indian Point early, which was licensed until around 2033, this drastically cut power generation in NYC and surrounding areas, it was providing around 25% of the power to NYC and around 12% of the total power in NY state. The problem is extreme regulations and bureaucracy that makes it nearly impossible to even build in the first place, it's the same thing with the housing crisis in NYC.
>>538979042If this is true we can just not connect them to the grid and make them make all their own power.Because the grid doesn't have the extra electricity, if they're gonna pay for their own they have to make their own too, might as well not let them connect.>They'll pay for it broWho will pay for scaling said electricity to meet the new demand?
>>538979996>>538980161This also happens in america. It's just harder to find sources because you don't have freedom of the press and your government is opaque.>In August 2007, a heat wave resulted in high river water temperatures at the Browns Ferry plant in Alabama. Because of the reduced capability of the river water to cool the condensers, one of the plant's three reactors was shut down, while operations at its other two reactors were cut by 25 percent.>https://beyondnuclear.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/NUREG-1437-Rev.-2-Final-Volume-1-August-2024_SECY.pdf>The National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL 2016) identifies 25 incidents at U.S. nuclear power plants between 2000 and 2015 where high water temperatures or water availability affected power generation.>https://beyondnuclear.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/NUREG-1437-Rev.-2-Final-Volume-1-August-2024_SECY.pdf
>>538980237We absolutely can, but we can keep much better. The problem is we've invested heavily in things like solar and wind, which are fine for supplemental power, but they are inefficient and cannot provide the baseload like natural gas, nuclear or hydro (where available). I'll keep harping on this because the thread is about NY, but the total power generation of NY actually decreased because of the shutdown of Indian point in 2020, and it's actually producing less power today than it was in 2019, which has been causing the problems we see today. It was suppose to be running until around 2033, but they shut it down early with no alternative thus increasing prices.It's not like there are zero solutions to this.
>>538980398Can a license be renewed? Sure. Will a license be renewed to extend a plant past 70 years? I doubt it. Would any company spend enough money on overhauls to pass such an extension? I highly highly highly doubt that. To bring a plant to 70 years already requires numerous highly expensive repairs and overhauls, to bring it to 90 would likely involve shit akin to an entire core replacement which would vary between highly expensive and drawn out and downright impossible.
>>538980926>We absolutely can>A whole paragraph of text unrelated to what I postedEvery time, zero arguments.The turbines needed for these power plants are years off, the transformers are years off, you can't scale it like you would data centers.>Muh new yorkZero arguments every time, talking about a logistical problem vs some guy talking about specific anecdotes. Power generation scales slowly because said parts take years to be delivered.
>>538980926Yes and nuclear is a dead industry. Nobody is building new plants, SMRs are vaporware, and restarting old reactors is a band-aid.You're slicing open your arm, wrapping it in toilet paper to close the wound and patting yourself on the back for wrapping it in toilet paper not thinking about what will happen when you shower or it rains when you could have just not sliced open your arm.
>>538980969>can they be renewedyes>will they renew it every 70 yearsprobably, yeah. thats just guaranteed money for 70 years. why is everyone both greedy yet principled in your weird examples? if theyre greedy, just make it profitable for them. whats the problem?
>>538980987>said parts take years to be deliveredDecades.
>>538978689Drives up and prices for electricity and water with no benefits for local residents at all.Though maratorium is a bit rough and anti market move.My personal take: make law that data centers pay 10% property tax (property costs included GPU costs) and that tax income is equally distributed among local residents. Capitalism and market FTW
>>538980987Hopefully you are just pretending to be retarded, they pointed out the government has reduced power output in NY which artificially created and energy problem. Government meddling is the problem.
>>538981151>Government meddling means that ackshually you can receive this turbine that takes 8 years to arrive in less timeYou can't, I'm talking about real world logistics and you're thinking of retard anecdotes.
>>538979793Increase taxes on data centers.10% property tax. Now your move international billionaires.
>>538981085Nuclear is a highly regulated industry. If the NRC says "due to neutron embrittlement your core barrel can't sustain pressures out to 90 years of operation and you've gotta replace it" they'd have to conduct probably a year or several year operation to remove a lethally irradiated mass of metal weighing hundreds of tons, and then build a place to store said highly irradiated mass of metal for all eternity. Steam generator replacements are already massive operations which require outages (ie. No power) lasting months, and this example would be an order of magnitude larger, longer outage, and mpre expensive.It's like a car, at a certain point repairs cost more than the car is worth. You wouldn't drive a 90 year old shitbox that you had to spend $3000 a month on in maintenance because every part has to be individually machined and nobody produces them anymore.
>>538980735There are cases of this happening, it's not an issue with the plant itself, they aren't overheating, but they also have ways to cool the water before it gets back into the water, like cooling pools, canals, towers etc. it's going to be an added cost, but it can prevent it from being forced to reduce output by environmental regulations.
>>538981137>drives up utility priceslocal politicians have been doing that for years. they finally have something to blame instead of the power plants they shut down. honestly, the water thing is funny to me, cuz its not water usage, its the "waste* water thats getting complained about. but even then, you can make plenty of water purification plants to deal with it. it seems the problem is local government failed to expand their utilities, and now national projects need to be pushed back till they get their shit together.
>>538978971so do niggers
>>538978358the big wall street firms have decided it is better if NY state has no data centers. you can speculate on why but they, JPM especially, control new york
>President Trump is calling on the leading United States hyperscalers and AI companies to build, bring, or buy all of the energy needed for building and operating data centers, paying the full cost of their energy and infrastructure, no matter what.>https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/2026/03/ratepayer-protection-pledge/Btw trump has already ruled out the government paying for the new infrastructure. That means the market will regulate it. Data centers in, citizens out – that will be the most profitable solution and therefore the one that will be implemented. If your income is not in the top third, it will be tough for you.
>>538981262>at some point its more expensive to fix something than it is to replace themok? and my state cant even make a wind farm, yet its somehow the answer to my states problems. atleast theres power getting made during your example with a nuclear power plant and for 70 years. I still dont see the issue...
>>538981210It's so slow BECAUSE of government regulations from the NRC, outdated regulations like requiring a domestic for water cooled reactors when the reactor isn't even watercooled, with ten year wait times just for construction approvals. And reducing the power output for the 4th largest state by 12% isn't just a random anecdote, that's a big real world problem. You are just way to retarded to even fathom that slow government approvals and unwieldy bureaucracies could ever be a problem, holy fuck you're stupid.
>>538981432>for 70 years20 years. The past is the past, we're talking about the future. Regardless you could have just not made a datacenter.
>>538981412>Trump is asking them to do somethingIs he forcing them to do anything? He can call on them all he wants, doesn't mean shit unless it's legally forced.
>>538981292Water level is still relevant if the nuclear power plant is built on a river. Furthermore, why are environmental concerns never relevant to you? Local environmental protection is a good thing and has been far too overshadowed by this climate change nonsense anyway.
>>538981526>It's so slow BECAUSEright now, this is where you're some retard NPC.It's slow right now because of the government, there are physical limits to scaling power that have nothing to do with the government - taking years to make a single part that has to be shipped from overseas and is only made in one factory in the world.You have no argument, you and I are talking about completely different things and you aren't intelligent enough to understand this.It's not MUH BUREAUCRACY that it takes 8 years to make a turbine
>>538978110About time the yankees did something good
>>538981554My understanding is that he puts it 100% in the hands of the market and is one of those naive people who believe that the market leaves no one behind, or at least pretends to.
>>538981432>I still dont see the issue...Of course you don't, you're retarded. Every single post you've made in this thread has been retarded.
>>538981526>>538981575And I have to add on that this is the only reason NPCs ever support data centers>MUH GOOBERMINT!Without actually looking into if it's possible to match energy scaling with data center scaling.They fundamentally cannot understand said issues in terms of logistics, so they talk about red team blue team like that has some kind of impact on how many months it takes for corn to grow.
>>538981527>20 years of powerstill 20 years more than the wind farms produced. why wouldnt we build data centers, tho? if youre gonna say government spying well, your phone, car, or any internet connected device is more than enough for that. buy up land? nothing was stopping billionaire before, really. create power shortages or water shortages? they already do that by just turning off power plants or telling the water companies to charge more. the real issue is local governments fucking people over for their personal profits, while blaming it all on feds and billionaires.
>>538981305From the point of view of local residents they have no reasons to not tax data centers to death. There is ZERO (0) benefits for average Joe to have data centers in your state and municipality. Really name just ONE benefit.
>>538981783>tax them to deathcant. subsidized for 20 years. >zero benefitsfaster internet and less bandwidth/ computing used in local smart devices that everyone and their dumb mother has been getting for years in their houses.
>>538978595>>538978689>>538978799>>538978976Absolutely paid shills right here. It's blatant and well documented at this point what the problems are with these data centers. The waste, the govt subsidies, the cost to the residents, etc.I'd think you two faggots were trolling if it weren't so obvious you're serious.
>>538981566I listed things that cool the water down more before it's reintroduced into the river, there are ways they address this. Nuclear is zero emissions and it provides the most stable and efficient energy output with far less damage in terms of mining and transportation than other sources. I'm only pointing out that nuclear doesn't need to shut down in heat, that's not an impact on the actual plant. as you said>Furthermore, nuclear power plant output is reduced on hot days, making it particularly unsuitable for solving peak problemsIt can solve the problem, but regulations force it reduce or stop output. They are not unsuitable for solving peak problems.
>>538979042In America, residential utility rates subsidize commercial and industrial. And large industrial rates pay the least. They are "bulk" customers, so they pay a lower supply rate than everyone else. More than that, they don't pay the transmission and distribution costs of adding capacity to the grid. This was arguably a reasonable trade-off in an age when the largest users were huge industrial concerns that employed a lot of local people and enriched some local millionaire. But these data centers employ almost nobody and enrich some far off out-of-state trillionaire. So there's not a lot of upside.
>>538981783Ultimately, it will come down to every data center maintaining thousands of fake jobs to obtain local approval. "Watching computers work" will be the job of the future.
>>538981888>cant. subsidized for 20 yearsYes you can. With law you can do anything.>faster internet and less bandwidth/Are you kidding? Backbone connection to the data center has nothing to do with last mile residential connections.
>>538981888You have no fucking idea how anything works. Datacenters don't provide more bandwidth, because they're not a network, and they don't provide higher speeds, because firstly the traffic is still being routed through the ISP and the effects of physical proximity are negligible, and secondly the overwhelming majority of the hardware in new datacenters is not being used for HTTP servers
>>538981749>still 20 years more than the wind farms produced.Not in practice since it's all going to a useless datacenter, and once it shuts down the datacenter is gonna take power from the regular grid.>why wouldnt we build data centers, tho? if youre gonna say government spying well, your phone, car, or any internet connected device is more than enough for that. Because they're useless>create power shortages or water shortages? they already do that by just turning off power plants or telling the water companies to charge more. They had less incentive before.Tell me flatly why we should build datacenters. Don't say they are benign, tell me why I as a citizen should support the building of a datacenter near me.
>>538981575>it takes 8 years to make a turbineNo ot doesn't, in the US it's 2-3 years for a turbine. SMRs can be built entirely in 4-6. You're just so hilarious misinformed about basically everything, but again you think only government can solve issues because you are retarded. I'm sure you think rent freezes will solve the housing crisis in NYC too because those have been used over and over there and have always failed and have only reduced housing and increased rates.
>>538981974better than government jobs>>538981994>nuh huh!yeah uh. those devices have to store the data somewhere. your thermostat, you iPad, your pc, you tesla, your fridge, AC, heat, your pool heater, your smart shower, ect its all wifi data that has to go somewhere nbd the data center is more convenient than say, a home server.
>>538982076>SMRs can be built entirely in 4-6.Based on a long history of building 0 SMRs.
>>538982050>the non power created by the wind farms is going to the data centerwith wifi? incredible how advanced tech is getting, huh?
>>538982076>It could maybe take this much or something>MUH GOOBERMINT!And when you look at the actual orders for said turbines they're like 8 or 10 years away because they're all backed up with orders. They're the only people who can make said part and the whole world is now building data centers so it takes 10 years for a 2 year part.This is the real world and has no relation to whatever you posted, which isn't an argument. I know you don't understand the idea of scaling, which is why you talk about things that aren't related to logistics in literally every single post.>>538982164Yup. We're talking with a chatGPT wikipedia article reader. He doesn't actually know anything about this but he's heard something about it in passing.
>>538978110Good republicans will keep losing as long as they are cucks for Israel. /thread
>>538981904You're on the same level of argumentation as feminists when they explain why bosses prefer to hire men for higher salaries. If everything you say were true, it would be done. As if america would allow regulations to stand in the way of its dominance. And even the chinks, who now have all the resources in the world at their disposal, haven't included more than 5% nuclear power top in their energy plans. Reality doesn't match your assumptions.
>>538982140Unless you pay for cloud storage or set up your own home server, that data is going exactly one place: on-device storage. These stupid fucking things are just running Gemini and Claude.
>>538982252>he thinks the data doesnt go to a cloud immediatelyall those things are either Google devices or Samsung. both will absolutely use data centers instead, as they still technically own the devices and the storage. so, now what?
>>538982247The Frogs did it, and nobody copied them. They're paying over $0.221/kWh. US average cost is $0.198/kWh. This is before taxes and fees and government programs and shit. Point being, they're not saving money by having a 70% nuclear grid.
>>538982252>These stupid fucking things are just running Gemini and ClaudeWhich I find highly unlikely. The one data center musk built seems to have too much computing capacity for his own AI, which is why he's leased large portions of the capacity to other AI companies on a long-term basis. If that one data center is essentially enough to satisfy all the AI companies, what are all the others for?
>>538982384Truth. And they are currently in the renewal phase of their nuclear power plants and are financing it through the state budget, which is therefore almost collapsing.
>>538982247>If everything you say were true, it would be done. As if america would allow regulations to stand in the way of its dominanceIt literally works in France, you were literally just talking about France too what are you even talking about? But in the US they do let regulations absolutely hamper construction all the time and there is a constant fear about nuclear power that has been pervasive in the US since TMI (funded by the fossil fuel industry since the 50s as nuclear could replace them as the baseload). I don't know what you think the US is, but blue states are heavily regulated. California approved the building of a high speed rail between LA and SF in 2008 that was suppose to be finished by 2020 for $33 billion, so far they've laid no track and the estimated cost is already $100 billion more because of regulations. California heavily subsidizes green energy like solar, yet Texas who doesn't is building far more solar and faster despite not caring about it, but they also can build because they don't have the same amount of extreme government regulations.
>>538982140>those devices have to store the data somewhere. your thermostat, you iPad, your pc, you tesla, your fridge, AC, heat, your pool heater, your smart showerThis demand is like 0.01% capacity of build data centers (percentage of budget wise, AI computing data centers wirh computing chips aren't needed for data storage).
>>538979126Nice goy opinion.
>>538982385as more and more houses become smart houses, more and more use up wifi data in mass quantities. one house in the early 2000's would have maybe 5 devices with access to the internet. now about half of the household is on it, so lets say around 10 to 15 devices. from picture frames to fridges, showers, water heaters, dishwaters, ect that data has to go somewhere.
>>538978110what do datacenters even provide
>>538982385They are retards who only think about scaling up. Can't be a trillionaire who dreams of having 10 trillion otherwise. They're thinking about "agentic" AI. An AI that controls AIs. But then a layer beyond that. The useful life of the hardware is 5 years or so and so they're expecting this shit to explode by 2030 and building out to have capacity to meet the demand they anticipate then. Of course, since the steep part of the AI adoption curve was back in 2023, now they have excess capacity, and they're leasing it because it turns out it's not growing as fast as they thought. But they're still building because they think it will. This is the same reason they all spent billions on NFTs of monkey jpegs. They are retards.
>>538982489for 1 house, yes. add 8 million more, and thats just one state, not included businesses, mind you.
>>538982187It will take from the existing decaying grid you retard. You're making a problem and making a temporary solution to said problem and bragging about that temporary solution and using it to justify creating the problem. What happens when TMI shuts down in 20 years, where will the datacenters get their power from?
>>538982384Everything in Europe is overrgulated and more expensive.Germans pays $0.39. So relatively to EU level France have cheap electricity actually.
>>538978110Where would you even place them? New york is already developed to the max
>>538982566>its gonna break the grid the politicians already raped while people cheeredand? what actual downside are you gonna give me? niggers go without power and they start taking shots at politicians? oh no.....
/pol/ will cry about Jews but when someone goes for the Jewish billionaires income streams /pol/ starts seething psychotically because muh faggot Reagan freedumb or somethingcurious!
>>538982564For country wide demand of households cloud storage.
>>538979252>digital surveillance has never happened before nowholy shit zoomers really are fucking historically illiterate, even shit from the year they were born
>>538982659AnonYou're the niggerYou also depend on the grid for your electricity
>>538978243Ironically China also loses, less data centers = less queries they can spam to distill American AI models to train theirs.
>>538978689they don't benefit me. in fact, they actively harm me. what more reason do you need? real life isn't one of your gaynigger debate clubs.
>>538982706340 million homes and how many businesses? what about apartment, condos, mulitstory building, coops, ect? you just said 1 home does 0.01%
>ban data centers!says the faggots screaming this over the internet on their computers or smart phones
>>538982628NYC is, upstate is not.
>>538982611Germany is a bad example, as it is based on extreme political mismanagement. The poles pay less for electricity than the french. And the turks and the balkans pay only third to half as much as the US.
>>538982811low IQ or gay retard master troel?
>>538982839There is a lot more to electricity then just the price for it, what do they pay for grind maintenance? What about blackout services? Can they expect help from whoever maintenances the grid to help them 24/7?
>>538982802>you just said 1 home does 0.01%0.01% for whole personal data market.
>>538978243The AI bubble popping is how the US loses its role as a superpower, finally. They will make sure workers cover it all so shareholders won't even have to sell their ferrari collections, but in doing so the fabric of society will be wiped out. AI tech bros are already calling for government backstops, they know its a bubble and taxpayers will PAY for it all
>>538982924>me posting on 4chan does not mean this data passes through a data centerok retard
>data centers and flock cameras are based actuallyData center shills get the rope
>>538983022i need you to explain the difference between an AI data center and a "traditional" data center. focus your response on power consumption. chop chop, retard, this is a COMMAND from your superior.
>>538982990>the demand for such devices is 0.01% per house, you mean.
>>538982659>All people are niggers who should suffer for the sake of this pyramid schemeYeah no point in debating with the mentally disabled
why do all these anti-data center faggots complain now when we have had data centers since the 1960's?
>>538983084what IS the difference between cloud data centers and the new ones theyre making? I guess the cloud cant spy on you, even those it does.....
>>538983084well power consumption would not be an issue if you leftist faggots did not try to ban nuclear power
>>538983113I accept your concession. if poor people are complaining, its because rich people told them too. remember that.
>>538983009>The AI bubble popping2 more weeks!
>>538983145Because the new datacenters are bigger, there's more of them, they use more power, produce more heat, consume more water, and provide little to no benefit to the people who have to live near them.
>>538983221you could literally make that argument of every new data center for the last 50 years over every previous year
>>538983155a cloud data center for hosting websites uses much less power than an AI data center. AI data centers are basically server farms that run a massive amounts of GPUs. if you want a small scale example, look at the power consumption of a desktop gaming computer. the CPU, SSD, and RAM might draw a combined 100 watts under load. the GPU draws 500 watts under load.>>538983187re-read my post. you didn't follow directions.
>>538983294We actually had a yahoo data center move into our area like 20 years ago, and it did have all of those problems.It promised thousands of jobs and in the end had like 100 employees, big subsidies for all of it, wish it was never there.Now it's just gonna be this but on 10x-100x scale.
>>538981895They are. I fought them in similar threads for months but they don't acknowledge facts. Like how the chelating agent added to the cooling water in this data centers is a known carcinogen, and condensation puts it back into the local water table where these things are built, causing a spike in cancer rates.But hey, progress, right?
>>538983315>they run massive amounts of gpus... anon, they really dont. the 3 big manufacturers of gpu's came out and said they just didnt build enough to raise prices internationally. its a non issue.
>>538983408>its making the water cancerouslike in flint? or Palestine Ohio?
>>538983221>produce more heat>consume more waterHow? I keep hearing these argument how can an data centre produce that much heat, how can computing and calculating produce so much heat it becomes an issue? And what do they even need water for
>>538983423i have no idea what you're trying to say. LLM models run on GPUs because their massively parallelized architecture is more efficient. LLMs in general demand a lot of computational power, and GPUs in general are power hungry. the end result is that "AI data centers" use a lot more power (and are more power dense) than non-AI data centers.
>>538978689Go live next to one then lmao
>>538978110It’s only for a year, and she is only doing it because of the election coming up. This cunt did the same thing with the retarded policy of banning natural gas and forcing everyone to go 100% electric. As soon as she wins she’ll go right back at it. NY is fucked, and everyone who was sane left a long time ago.
>>538983196>Anon not realizing he's one of the poorThe jokes write themselves
>>538983521>How?Basic thermodynamics, data centers are 100% efficient at producing heat.>Power goes into the computer>Power is lost to heat at 100% efficiency over time>Every single watt in said data center is turned into heatThat's how. The water consumption isn't an issue, they have to dispose of the heated water and if you dump a bunch of heated water into the local ecosystem you just nuke your local river, it has to be cooled and treated to be released / reused. The only real option for cooling the water is radiating the excess heat into the environment.
>>538978595They don't count the filth water they return to city.
>>538983554> it uses more power to compute more informationoh no?
>>538983565I probably do, desu.
>>538978110Who is building Data centers in New York?
>>538983728did you finish high school? i feel like i'm "conversing" with a retard. the form of your responses, the style of your communication, your inability to engage with what's being discussed -- all of it is very bad.
>>538983611>the jokes write themselvesaint that the truth*sent to a data center for processing*
>>538983469Make jokes all you want, but NTA (Nitrilotriacetic acid) is Classified as a suspected Category 2 carcinogen worldwide. It's now being found in high quantities in local water tables whenever data centers that use water cooling are located.
>>538983793If they get a big enough subsidy they do it, one being built near Olcott.
>>538983803do you often converse with retards on the internet about data centers? if so, why do you feel thats your target audience and why are you unable to convince your supposed target audience of your ideals?
>>538983864cool. I guess ill get a filter for the main, or something. did you know most well water in the us requires a radon filter?
>>538983615Sure I understand that power produces heat, but computing can't produce THAT much heat can it? Do we see a similar issue with super or even quantum computing? How is the heat from a data centre compared to a smelting plant
>we built all the data centers already >now we're putting a block on more of them so the competitors cannot build one
>>538983963they dont like mentioning these data centers are climate controlled.
>>538983893> why are you unable to convince your supposed target audience of your ideals?prole retards such as yourself don't respond to reasoning, logic, explanation, or even pattern recognition. it's the driving force behind them falling for every scam. btw you didn't answer my question. did you finish high school?
>39 posts by this ID>I MUST protect big business and jewsDisgusting.
>>538984050>they dont respond to logicso, you think giving logic to people who you deem illogical is a good use of time? so now these data centers are a scam, according to you? how so?
>>538978110They're wanting to pass the buck to other parts of the grid. Which means the grid is teetering on the verge of Africa and India-tier rolling blackouts.
>>538983963>but computing can't produce THAT much heat can it?a gaming computer can produce 600W+ of heat at full load. server hardware is much more compact and energy dense. the heat has to go somewhere, or the chips cook themselves alive.
data center hating fags are just like the horse and buggy fags from 1905 scared the car was gonna destroy the world
>>538984136did your dad turn down your advances for gay sex last night? i don't understand what causes this sort of behavior.
>>538983943Yes, I have an under-the-sink RO system built in and have been using it since 2022.
>>538984459>under the sink filter>no house filterngmi. youre gonna go through twice the filters with the under the sink one. they last like, 3 months, if even. house filter is 6 to 8 months.
>>538983963>Can't produce THAT much heatIt's literally 100% efficient at producing heat so all power going inside produces heat.And the inside of said buildings is a bunch of racks floor to ceiling of computers, which generate heat through resistance - along with the stuff to cool them.The power goes through the computer, some of it is lost through heat, and it goes through again. That's how it works, no matter the efficiency of the chip the power loops until it's all lost through heat.>Do we see a similar issue with super or even quantum computing?>The strongest supercomputers, like the U.S. Department of Energy's El Capitan (the current world leader) and Frontier, draw between 20 to 30 Megawatts (MW) of power at peak capacity>A typical enterprise data center uses 10–50 MW, while hyperscale facilities can exceed 100–500 MWThe peak capacity of a supercomputer (they don't run at peak nearly ever) is just the normal capacity of a data center, or 1/10th a hyperscale center. Picture 20k houses worth of energy needs, but all dumped into one area as heat - that's for a normal data center. Yeah, supercomputers also heat their local area. They don't use as much power as a data center.
>>538978110>Jews protecting themselves from EMRRules for thee and except GOYIM
>>538978243It's a year-long hold, while the state ensures they have both the power and water infrastructure necessary to support the projects. If you were literate, you could read the article. A communist country would force projects and simply declare eminent domain, via an unelected government that's accountable to no one, and it would send secret police/ military at anyone who protests and throw them in the gulag.
>>538984556Thankfully I live in a rural town on the northern border that has no data centers....
>>538984261>a gaming computer can produce 600W+ of heat at full load. Which translates to what, 80 degrees Celsius? >>538984572>They don't use as much power as a data center.That is fucking mindbogglingly
>>538984715just hard water, radon, calcium, and potential cholera. oh, and parasites.
>>538978110is tue that they consume a fuckton amount of power and water, but no more than a 100.000 people city.that is like a drop in the water compared the immigrant she wants to import.
>>538978110I figure the jewish trick here is that they want them in areas that aren't populated in the first place. Harder to keep potential saboteurs away if it's located in a busy area. Plus less eyes means it's easier to destroy the local environment as a bonus.
>>538978358Jews literally infested then entire Hudson valley from NYC to Sullivan county is nothing but one big Hasidic colony, the need to keep some goyim there so there tax dollars can keep funding NYs terraforming into mega Jew colony, I’m sure this has something to do with that
>>538978689I can't build a new gaming PC because of them
>>538984927you aint missing much.
>>538984770>it's okay we poison our water tables from data centers because X chemicals already existPathetic. So if I pissed in your drink because someone spit in it you'd be fine with that? Got it.
>>538985046to be fair, you probably made it cleaner than actual tap water.
>>538984053you voted for it
>>538985079>to be disingenuous>>538985111Nope, voted against it. Nice try though.
>>538984874I get the impression that they're emptying out of NYC and moving either upstate or to Israel while NYC becomes the world's biggest brown consoomer retard colony.
>>538985306look it up. tap water is shit quality and mostly reclaimed water. shit, you can test it out with some litmus straps.
>>538985441>more deflection Typical
>looked it up>was proven wrong>only ragebait leftlol
This is New York Jews pulling a NIMBY, like when congress flouridated DC's water they started importing water from Appalachia for their personal use (including for their pets and livestock)
>>538985608>was proven wrong>look, data center pollution is irrelevant because there's already pollution >checkmate, I win, now accept data centers immediately Lmao
>>538978595ChatGrokPT electrons typed this.
>still rage baiting after being proven wrongsad. wont stop data centers either. lol
>>538986001>I won the internet argument Kek. Based retard.
>VPN hopping LMAOOOOO
>>538986146>NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>MULTIPLE PEOPLE CANNOT POSSIBLY THINK I'M RETARDED
>hates data centers>>uses data centers anywaylol. I hit a nerve.
>>538978110Well yeah, that's where the Jews live. They don't want to drink poisoned water and deal with the ugliness of data centers, let the goyim deal with the real world.
>gets called out for being retarded >what's that? You hate data centers?
I want a data center in every corner in my country.
>538978243Fuck off. Go build them i. Alaska or Nevada or some other flyover states.
>WAAAHH I HATE DATA CENTERS!>*uses ChatGPT to read hkw to change a tire
>>538979228>the local government gave them years of free utilities as an incentive.then what value does the data center provide to the local government lmao
>>538978110because there's already been a massive data center in New York. They don't need new generation tech competitors.
>>538978110i want a datacenter in my ASSHOLE
Just stick them next to the rural hwytes since they want them so damn bad
>>538978595>Data centers are just going to be built in other states.Yeah, shitty flyover states where corporations can just bully and bribe their way into doing what they want. Data centres of zero economic benefit to the states they're located in.
>>538979890>Goalpost movingSo you're pro mass immigration?
>>538980161It's crazy how the leftoid plan for Western civilization is literally:>cuck ourselves and let other countries surpass us and eventually dominate usLeftism is a suicide cult
>>538978689>49 posts by this id
>>538978595Data centers provide nothing but added utility costs to the areas they are built in. Not to mention the huge noise pollution. They have no benefit for locals and are a net sink as they lower land values and raise existing costs. Data Centers are section 8 housing complexes for tech companies built only due to government incentives while being an endless cost sink.
>>538986314>49 posts shilling for Jewscut your own throat, caste.
>>538979191The fact that this nigger thinks people using internet-connected devices in their home is what's using up the most bandwidth in data centers tells me that cuckservatives are technologically illiterate.
>>538981403You'd think they'd use that shit to like analyze stock patterns and find arbitrage opportunities but guess notThis seems like the likely place the funding came from to support it
>>538988250What do you expect from a bunch of Gen X halfwits who are hoping to get the boomerslop runoff from their Jewish paymasters while the boomers finally die off.
It makes sense. You don’t shit where you eat. The interests making huge money off data centers will continue to operate in NY, but they want the flyover peasants to deal with the burden of data center operations.>>538978645The first reply to get it.
>>538978110Literally the ONLY constructive and effective thing this cunt has ever done. I hate my state
>>538982802Holy fuck you're stupid. You're a bot aren't you?
>>538988499Red states like Oklahoma will build the vast majority of these pieces of shit.
>>538978358you cant
