Why are right wingers and their self improvement shills pushing this ideology on young men?>Your girlfriend cucked you? DO NOTHING BRO, real men don't care>Can't afford a house? DO NOTHING BRO, real men can live in the streets Funny how none of the Jews, none of the politicians, none of the rich, none of those in power are stoics. They're all coomers and hedonists
>>538988772do you look up to emotionally and egotistically driven coomers and hedonists as role models? or marcus aurelius?
>>538988772This is a strawman version of stoicism. Read the Enchiridion for better understanding of stoicism.
>>538988772Typical terminally-online lack of nuance. Stoicism doesn't advise you to do nothing, it advocates doing everything you can while not crashing out over what you can't. It's the mindset men whom other men gather around and follow when the shit is hitting the fan. We just live in an infantilized daycare center society that's far removed from the realities of war and death. When all hell breaks loose, stoicism becomes the survivor's mindset.
>>538989169StOiCiSm is literally a terminally online niche cope
>If you're a cockroach whom a human attempts to crash you must be stoic
>>538988772self improvement is a vain goal itself and stoics can only accept that they will not be satisfied in the material life, whether or not they can fulfill their desires
>>538988772>philosophy>not mentioning socrates
>>538988772>Your girlfriend cucked you? DO NOTHINGHoly based, all westerners must become stoic
>>538989320How is it a vain goal? If you learned how to tie your shoes you improved yourself. If everyone listened to your advice everything would be even more retarded than it is already
>>538988772stoicism is cope-icism. >DUDE JUST BE A PASSIVE FAG LOSER PUSSY LMAO
Marcus would have killed himself immediately if sent to this era.
>>538988772Read the book again through the lense of depression and coping with dying and being an ancient boomer, it seems quite pathetic. He couldn't get it up anymore so he's like "who cares about cumming? It is but a bit of phlegm from my penis".
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>>538989698>When you have roast meat and such delicacies in front of you, form the impression that this is the corpse of a fish, and that this is the corpse of a bird or pig... and, as for sexual intercourse, that it is the friction of an entrail and the expulsion of phlegm accompanied by a kind of spasm
>>538988772>t. Globohomo jew White man hate thread
>Barbarians can't understand it and they think its the same as pacifism >They think controlling your emotions and not chimping out over everything is a BAD thingYou're with a woman or a barbarian who will never be civilized.
>>538988772Kek Marcus Aurelius was just a blackpilled doomer and people turned it into an ideology.The true roman chad is Emperor Hadrian.
>>538990100Agreed
>>538988772It appears to be what young men gravitate towards when the world is run by jews, coomers, and hedonists.
How come stoicism didn't come about when Rome was actually doing good?Surely they would've benefitted from stoicism as well? Surely it's not just a giant cope?
>>538989238plebbitors are literally taught to be retarded
>>538988876how about none of them you false dilemma kike cunt
Marcus Aurelius wrote those things for himself. He was just trying to brainwash himself to cope with the horrors of mass deaths at the battlefields on the Rhine and other unfortunate events in his life like the deaths of his young children. Also does anybody else think Commodus was his co-emperor Lucious Varus's kid. If Marcus was such a cuck and always fighting on the rhine and he seems to have more of that party boy attitude.
>>538988772>you're a cuck if you try to improve yourself>you should chimp out and let your emotions run wild and dominate your lifewhy are plebbitors so absolutely fucking RETARDED
>>538989525Stoicism preaches activism, not passivism. You niggers really need to learn how to read instead of skimming wikipedia pages and forming half baked opinions about things you know nothing about.
>>538988772Roman patricians didn't push ideologies on plebs, they didn't even let them learn how to read. modern plebs think those words are for them when they would have been digging holes for acqueducts in reality.
>>538988772Aristotle was correct.People like to joke that Plato would settle arguments by flexing, but just because you have a lot of meat on your bones doesn't make you right. It just means you are a good beast of burden.
>>538990512Please do tell us about Marcus' wife.Or better yet why he was the LAST of the five good emperors?
>>538989169it's suppressing those emotions though while still suffering inside, it might be better than spazzing out but falls short on actual healing and transformation.
>>538988772They just got high didn't they
>>538991229Aristotle, Plato and Epictetus all preached the same message and the same way of life. They only had minute disagreements in metaphysics, and none in ethics.>>538991284Stoicism encourages men to put a maximum amount of effort towards perfecting what's theirs to control. Your own conduct and behavior are always yours to control. At no point does Stoicism ever encourage giving up or giving anything less than your best effort towards what can be changed. It only forbids you from trying to change what cannot be changed. Someone who persists in trying to change what can't be changed is a fool on the same level as a tranny.
>>538991335Not at all. Stoicism is specifically about not suffering inside, and the majority of surviving Stoic writings are explicit lessons and methods for how to alter your judgements so that suffering no longer takes place.
Zeno was a (((semite))). Look into the background of any philosophy's originator before you accept their bullshit.
>>538988772You’re conflating stoicism with nihilism. Your girlfriend cucking you would warrant an actionable response if your marital contract excludes the prospect of third party lovers. Stoicism as a philosophy isn’t about being an emotionless golem, it’s about taking appropriate action in response to the circumstances. “Can you do something about your circumstance? Then do it and don’t worry. Can you not do something about your circumstance? Then it is what it is, why worry?” Most people don’t know how to dothis because they are slaves to their carnal desires and emotions and suffer from main character syndrome.
>>538991546People can’t really reach the self-sufficiency and inner-strength Stoicism advocates for, it can’t understand the “when I am weak, then I am strong" paradox, we have to first accept our limitations as the person who believes he is self-sufficient is actually weak because he is limited to his own power, whereas the person who admits his weakness can receive a strength greater than his own.Stoicism is a big part of the culture here, especially in the rural peoples, Zeno’s upbringing here is what heavily influenced the tenets of his philosophy. Heck our national mantra is “shut up and get by”, you hear it every day. Does it work? It does until it doesn’t, everyone has their limits.
>>538991485You didn't answer or respond meaningfully to either of my statements.Don't post walls of cope. Brevity is the spirit of a stoic. You sound soulless.
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>>538992413Rare flag gets it, well spoken T. Lurker
>>538992452The failure here is yours entirely. Instead of responding to my point, you made a shallow quip about a rumor about Marcus's wife. I kept the discussion on track for what it was actually supposed to be about, because I'm not a gossiping drone like yourself.
Look at Marcus' eyes, the guy was on opium
>>538992713It's not a rumor. Commodus was the son of a gladiator. Marcus' inability to tame his wife properly destroyed the empire.You'll do nothing.
>>538992413Yes, they can. Everyone is in direction control of what they care about at all times. There's no paradox in finding the value in adversity, because it's simply a matter of changing what you care about. Rather than caring about getting what you want as an end goal, you shift your concern to becoming the kind of person who is deserving of and capable of achieving that end goal. In this way, you begin to see more value in learning and growth than you do in simply being handed the prize you seek. This means you're never somebody who gets downtrodden, depressed, hopeless or beaten. Every challenge is an opportunity to learn, and every opportunity to learn is something to be thankful for, because that's what you desire more so than the end result. It's a matter of learning how to love virtue more than you love comfort and ease, which is something that everybody can do.
>>538992731No that is the stare of a man who believes doing nothing about being cucked by his wife is the moral high ground. At any point he could of had her sterilized and instead he doomed the empire by allowing a bastard to be born in the purple.
Reminder that Aurelius wife cheating has absolutely no proof
Stop taking your "wisdom" from antiquity. It will do nothing to help you in the modern age. The teaching of Jesus Christ or Marcus Aurelius can not prepare you to face a world where your enemies communicate at the speed of light, where a single man can wield more economic power than a nation, where a peasant can board a plane one hour and be accross the continent in a day.You are dealing with problems that the old world never could have imagined, and all of it's false morality and ambitions mean nothing to Belle Delphines bath water. Get your nose out of faggot old books and start figuring out how you are going to compete against the shitskins you are outnumbered by 9 to 1.
>>538993206>Hurr durr don't stand on the shoulders of giants, were smart enough by ourselves in a vacuum!Granted, idgaf about reading nor studying up because that's for retards and I have solid instincts and am very high IQ. BUT I'm an exception. You dumb faggots are not, and you're automatically adumb faggot for not recognizing 90% of people are dumb faggots who sould benefit from known timeless wisdom
>>538993388name the benefits
>>538989787What a faggot
>>538992934I don’t disagree that everyone should be in control of their lives, as i said it’s much better than spazzing out and doing something really stupid you’ll regret five minutes later, holding the reins of your existence is essential, but is however half the story because we are human, we lose our way, we need guidance, direction and help to get back up when we fall, we shouldn’t stubbornly scorn those because the goal is absolute self-sufficiency.
>>538993206>start figuring out how you are going to compete against the shitskins you are outnumbered by 9 to 1This is the real dilemma of our time (as a citizen of Earth with European ancestry).I do not feel like I can change the course of this raging shit-filled river, I can only try to seek higher ground and isolation from the rising waters. This isn’t our home anyways, we were never meant to inherit this world, we’re just passing through.
>>538993514Not being a miserable dumb faggot for one. Life is what you make it. I don't claim any religion, but I personally want to raise my hands up daily and praise God, praise somebody for my life and it's blessings.Why am I happy? I trusted basic wisdom skilled by stoics and the Abrahamic texts. I married a virgin. I trusted in my masculinity. I have a strong tribal clan because I made the specific decision to stay in my families lives and marry locally with likeminded based inlaws. I made the decision to be competitive in society, and thus valuable. I wouldn't trade my life or my household for all the shekels in the world. That's the point of life, and the recipe is t i m e l e s s because all of our oldest text are just men before us distilling what is true in life
>>538993654You've gotten the wrong idea in several ways. For one, the point of Stoicism is not to bottle up inner conflict. It is to absolve inner conflict and put it to rest entirely. No Stoic ever said to scorn those who need help, either. Stoicism is about cultivating virtue, and compassion and mercy are both virtues that they greatly esteem. A practicing stoic would never pass by an opportunity to help somebody who's struggling and lost, because a stoic sees helping others as an opportunity to exercise and perfect his own virtue. Seneca's entire body of writing consisted of letters he sent to friends and family to help them. Epictetus spent his days teaching ungrateful strangers how to achieve inner peace. Nowhere anywhere in any Stoic writings will you find anyone encouraging people to be callous, uncaring or indifferent towards suffering.
>>538988772>DO NOTHING BRO, real men don't careYes. Showing emotion is feminine.
>>538988772>picrel: read and weepThank Jehovah Moshiach YHWH that the Jews put an end to all of this ridiculous Greek/Roman foolery.
>>538993722>This isn’t our home anyways, we were never meant to inherit this world, we’re just passing through.This type of Jewish thinking is a cope and the reason why shit keeps getting worse. No, we CAN make the world a better place. We just have to do something besides "oh well, just move along"
>>538993858Go pay your taxes, goy
>>538994019Sure, we can do something. Let’s start small though and be sure all shopping carts are returned to the cart corals in our communities. If you can achieve that small victory maybe you can eventually work up to bioengineering European genes to become dominant and not recessive.
>>538994069Go die mad and alone, goy
>>538994199When she cheats on you, remember Marcus.When your kids bring home niggers to fuck, remember Jesus.When the cancer hits and your broke because you are a union peasant who builds factories for moshe, remember Plato.
>>538988772do something to improve your situation but also feel totally undisturbed and detached while doing so
>>538994325Look at you, lmao. You suffer from 'lose a bitch' syndrome-- youve failed in your masculine journey. You're exactly the low IQ lost soul who would benefit from ancient wisdom.FYI: If my wife left me, I would be balls deep breeding another teen virgin in a few months, a year tops. For her though? She will have to deal exclusively with (((males))) who slurp up MY USED GOODS. She knows this, which is why she submits 100%. You'd woulda figured this out if you weren't so zogged and demoralized (just how the kikes wanted you)
>>538988772>They're all coomers and hedonistsSo epicurians>>538988772>>Your girlfriend cucked you? DO NOTHING BRO, real men don't care>>Can't afford a house? DO NOTHING BRO, real men can live in the streetsThat's not what stoicism is.Here's a sample :Stoic philosophy is traditionally divided into three interconnected disciplines: logic, physics, and ethics. Stoic logic focuses on highly intentional reasoning through propositions, arguments, and the differentiation between truth and falsehood. Philosophical discourse is paramount in Stoicism, including the view that the mind is in rational dialogue with itself.[5] Stoic ethics centers on virtue as the highest good, cultivating emotional self-control, a calm problem-solving state of mind, and rational judgment to attain lifelong flourishing (eudaimonia). At the same time, passions, anxieties, and insecurities are viewed as misguided reactions that ought to be controlled through self-disciplined practice. Of all the schools of ancient Western philosophy, Stoicism made the greatest claim to being utterly systematic.[6] Central to Stoic ethics was the idea of living in accordance with nature, which meant aligning one's life with one's sense of reason and the rational order of the universe.[7
>>538990066>>They think controlling your emotions and not chimping out over everything is a BAD thingThis
>>538989746Strange words from the richest guy of his time
>>538990512>skimming wikipedia pages and forming half baked opinions about things you know nothing about.They didn't do even that.
>>538994476>youve failed in your masculine journeyBuddy, lay off the andrew tate and the chessI highly doubt you are even past 30, you have a lot to learn, and marcus isn't going to teach you, but life will
>>538993860That's a fair description, why do you see a potential failure "to absolve inner conflict and put it to rest entirely" as a moral failure though? One who truly cares about another being will be wounded by another's suffering and they will express that pain, that's not a failure but an expression of their love.
>>538989169Actual post from thinking human.
>>538994712All of his possessions were confiscated and he was sent into exile. He bore it well and didn't complain or curse his fate, proving that his words weren't hypocritical at all. He knew the difference between wanting and having. Having is fine, wanting is not.
>>538988772>Is the richest most powerful man in the world.>Has concubines of women from all over the world. Gets to have sex whenever he feels like it.>"Why can't poor people just stop whining? Stop letting life's problems bother you. It worked for me.">"Only stupid people are ruled by their emotions".>Gets mad and executes a man he suspects of sleeping with his wife.Why is this guy and his "wisdom" spammed so hard?
>>538992452>You didn't answer or respond meaningfully to either of my statements.He did>Don't post walls of cope.He didn't>Brevity is the spirit of a stoic. He was brief.>You sound soulless.To you>>538991485>Stoicism encourages men to put a maximum amount of effort towards perfecting what's theirs to control. Your own conduct and behavior are always yours to control. At no point does Stoicism ever encourage giving up or giving anything less than your best effort towards what can be changed. It only forbids you from trying to change what cannot be changed. Someone who persists in trying to change what can't be changed is a fool on the same level as a tranny.Well said sir! Bravo!
>>538988772None of that is in mediations.If you wanna critique Marcus Aurelius, then say he is obsessed with death.You'd know this if you read it.
>>538994760Masculinity is supposed to be yours and your identity. Yet, you're too stunted and insecure to even consider the term because it appears you're scared to be likened to BAD THINK. Awww, you scared to be down voted or called cringe by NPCs?? You are literally oversocialized like the Unabomber describes in his manifesto
>>538988772yeah stoics are cuckolds. marcus aurelius was literally a cuckold, his whore wife was slamming ass all over rome.
>>538995028I accept your defeat. Now go figure out how you are going to stop your kids from fucking niggers, maybe marcus or andrew or some other brown person has words of advice for you
>>538995222Lmao nigga, there is no defeat for me here. We're behind screens, the real battle is your reality. Ive already won because I'm happy. I'll be happier if (You) and other men are able to say the same genuinely. Simple as, cope and seethe
>>538994476>it's your fault you are losing a completely rigged game at the rigged casinoWhat a boomer-brained take
>>538994790Well, the first thing to note in that regard is that wisdom and morality are distinctly one. A moral failing is nothing more than falling short of perfect wisdom, because evil is a privation and not an essence, whereas Goodness is the one and only substance. Everyone is evil insofar as they fall short of absolute perfection, which is not a cruel condemnation or an encouragement to disregard or unjustly punish anyone. Knowing that, being unable to resolve your inner conflicts is a moral failing because it shows that your desires are at odds with reality, thus at odds with truth, thus at odds with The Good or God. The good man loves truth more than anything, which naturally means that he loves reality more than anything. He sees the wisdom and justice behind why things are the way they are. The bad man loves getting his way and having his own will enforced more than he loves the truth. He doesn't see the wisdom and justice behind cause and effect, and is constantly at odds with reality itself and consequently with God and his own nature. The good man does everything in his power to help those in need without ever becoming desperate, unreasonable or detached from reality. The bad man, even though he may believe his intentions are selfless, is actually acting from a self-centered point of view in which he just wants to get his way. He will become desperate, unreasonable and unlawful in his attempts to get his way. He will resort to subversion to force other people to accept his "help", even when they aren't ready to receive it yet. By contrast, the good man is patient enough to guide others gently and according to their own pace and within the bounds of what will actually help them.
>>538995409>I'm happyYet you are here promoting stoicismNo, you are losing and are delusional about itYou have accepted that because you knocked up a slut and have a union job, you think you have won, because the people making you lose are telling you that you are winning. Go pay your taxes, "nigga"
>>538988772Stoicism is about being unmoved by bullshit, not inaction. Pol is reddit-tier.It isn't "suppressing emotion" but rather not being an emotional incontinent retard. We live in an Americanised world. "Masculinity" in America is about being a cretinous, vain, childish nigger who cannot control their emotions nor their behaviour.Stoicism teaches you to reject the inner Liberal, the nigger America puts in your soul. A stoic wouldn't "do nothing" if his gf cheated on him, he just wouldn't be a retard and make the situation worse for himself.OP is incredibly homosexual (flag checks out) and tongues nigger anus. I would like to believe OP is an American tourist, however bubbles are still fucking gay, regardless.
>>538988772>>Your girlfriend cucked you? DO NOTHING BRO, real men don't careYour purposefully lying and being misleading and disingenuous. You know that's not what stoicism teaches.
>>538995409>>538995222
>Aristotle describes what is deeply lacking in today's WestAristotle and Phila, a Western racial parallel to Eastern "Filial Piety".
>>538991284The first 4 didn't have biological sons to pass the torch to so they instead chose who they thought would be the best man for the job. Marcus knew that Commodus was basically a piece of crap but he still tried to groom him into being a decent emperor. He couldn't bring himself to have his own son killed and if he had chosen a qualified person it could have easily sent the empire into a civil war when someone decided to use Commodus as a figure head to seize power.Marcus Aurelius also gave Christians too much free publicity being tortured and killed in the arenas when he probably should have just ignored those nigger loving cucks or had them quietly assassinated. I really do think that Commodus probably wasn't his kid too, but who knows? All the lead in the palaces and the absolute power from a young age really seems to go poorly for these people.
>>538996563See my posts above.He was the Last for a reason.Stoics are the raped of the philosophical world.
>>538988772Stoicism is a great way to rebrand your cowardice and inaction as virtues
>>538997284Lmao at the Germ talking about cowardice
>>538988772people are naturally stoic. its not something you aspire to be, dummy
