let's speak about the ideal form of government. what is it? this board believes in the ancient Egyptian god keket. so a theocratic pagan monarchy with a god-king seems to be the logical conclusion. that's what I believe, what about you?
>>539028023God-kings are alright in principle, but where do you get one from? That's what "system" is actually about, not>you have ruler>the endThe question is where or how you get rulers.The better question is where or how you get rulers that do not suck massive balls'n'ass.
>>539028705you need extreme violence and good spiritual foundations, foundations that are inspired by god suchas vedic knowledge. this is not possible in the current age I think, but the bread was just theory.
Philosopher King is the only way, I suspect.
>>539029640You're definitely on the right track. It does not seem like a beneficial system could be established without some rather significant use of force.Hell, merely changing one shit system for another shit system already requires extreme levels of violence, so establishing an actually decent one? If the Russian or Chinese Civil Wars are any indicator, where they aimed to establish a - let's say mediocre - system, that still won't cut it.And evidently even half ass bullshit system like "democracy" cannot function without escalating levels of repression, so we might have to acxcept that repression is normal and unavoidable in any system, and consequently not intrinsically bad - that depends purely on whether the system is bad, or how bad it is.tl;dr benevolent dictatorship of the philosopher king still requires you to kill a couple million people all the time. Sucks to be them, but I doubt anybody will genuinely lament their passing.
>>539030027i disagree with some parts of this. you don't need to use the violence against millions of your OWN people, but rather, once the philosopher king, god king, whatever we want to call it, he needs to change the form of society. Buddha said in ideal society, every ordinary citizen is enlisted ready to die for the god king or in buddhas case the dhammic Buddhist king. that's what the amcient Germans did, or the early Muslims both of which conquered in minimal time absolutely everything.
>>539030004Biggest flaw with this is that the philosopher king doesn't really want to do this. At minimum he's not very eager - if he was he wouldn't be a philosopher king but some power-hungry sadist or narcissist or suicidal.>you literally have to force him to be kingAnd regularly, since he doesn't live forever, or eventually becomes burned out or senile or shit like that, so you need a new one - in fact you should already have a few in the pipeline, the line of succession of sorts.>it's not the sort of job you can apply forAlthough this might not be as difficult as launching the system and obtaining world domination, because the guy will establish a council of philosopher princes of sorts who do most of the real work that doesn't require absolute authority, meaning the philosopher king would just sign off on stuff before long.
>>539030400>against millions of your OWN peopleYes, that's right, I didn't mean to imply the victims would be his subjects; on the contrary, as long as there exist people not his subjects it would mostly be those who get the stick, because they're fuckheads who are trying to kill him, probably, or otherwise insane or evil.One of the chief problems with such a system is that before long every other system will attack it, possibly all at once, meaning you have to all-out nuclear first strike their asses.There's some room for lenience as well, I was just exaggerating it a little bit, as in: not every problematic person has to be killed, but it won't be all love, peace and harmony either - whether there's certain freedoms or not depends purely on its actual benefits and people's behavior.
>>539030652what sort of religion in your opinion would be best suited for such a conquest-horny god king?
150ish is the average I.Q. required of a civilization to move past and beyond the need for ......credit voucher coupon social caste class currency slop, of any form. Be it backed with the mined, refined, minted rarity of the universes intrinsic, elemental periodic table churned forth through billions of years of Population 3-1 stellar evolution, or a masonic boomer golem holding down the print button on the FIAT unbacked slop machine, Bit cyber magic bean stalk (FIAT) slop that requires mass energy to solve uselessly complex riddles and the energy cannot be refunded, or small transfer arrays that can hold mass quantities of electrons I.E. using energy as a medium directly. 150ish average I.Q. is the goal to move past and beyond the slop. Anything else we are doing and working towards is just drooling at the stars and trying to enslave more intelligent machines than will *sigh* at us The wheel still spins until this metric is achieved. The human trafficking and exploitation, slavery, the dictatorships, wars, famines, plagues, we are getting fucked up by ticks, by bacteria, by amoebas, germs, fucking little tiny slop is fucking us and yall are fighting over FIAT slop. All government is simply dictated by the economic model of the world in which the model is.....modeled......The wheel still spins until 150.....swiftly......wreck Earth buy a new one.....the apes do run run the apes do run
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All rulers should have to make a sacrifice.
We require an open, global, Manhattan project for the human mind. I strongly urge this with the most rapid of deployment and mobility. The target location of the greatest priority should be the C Co ar lp lu os s - u- mThe bridge that connect the left hemisphere side of the brain to the right. It is a stove pipe bottle neck that we see even a slight increase in quantity of transport fibers causing a massive increase in measurable I.Q. points. We just need to install a few more lanes on the ol' brain interstaterino Our brain is basically two computers connected together, and our consciousness is the overseer of the two yin and yangs above them both.
>>539030833I'm not sure conquest is the right term; it's more like a liberation - though sometimes a liberation from themselves, or their own idiocy, or the crime of their own existence.>an unfortunate necessityPeople can even continue to be power-hungry greedy cunts if they take a knee, play by the rules and stay within the appropriate constraints - just don't try to pull a fast one after being granted such lenience, because there won't be a second chance and very much the opposite of lenience will happen.By extension: psychopaths also are a natural part of the species; they should be allowed to exist within the appropriate constraints; there's careers for those kind of people as well.Regarding religion - it's necessary of course - but I'm not sure there's any particular need to put tight constraints on it; people could still have diverse faiths if they don't fight about it or believe in especially egregious nonsense. Messing with it, at least initially, may be more trouble than it's worth; history has shown attempts to forcibly change people's faith doesn't work all too well; after all it's a largely irrational aspect of people's psyche.>believe things just because or because you feel like itIt's fine, just don't get on people's nerves with it; Hell, a philosopher king may have some legit difficulty trying to establish a religion because it's so fundamentally contrary to his being, and while he could simply be pragmatic about it it's still hard to see why he'd need to force it on people; for a start it may be sufficient to just slightly reform the worst of religions to make sure they are not detrimental, and education should take care of the rest; presumably that will be one of his main concerns.>make sure people actually get a decent educationAnd caste system/eugenics, I guess, uuuh.. gotta accomodate most of the sub-100IQ people for a while, until they eventually stop existing for one reason or other.
>>539030947Something like 135-140 average at least, yeah. Probably don't need 1/3 of the population to score 165 plus, but it's a little difficult to evaluate what consequences this would have exactly. Wouldn't even need a philosopher king anymore then (which is good, because it's a terrible job).
>>539031549Everyone would be able to achieve that standard of what a philosopher king would be and to help each other to reach it and support one another to remain and maintain at that standard until we are ready to crack right the fuck on. What does a political representative do but vote in your place on bills and write them in your stead, beholden to corporations and foreign governments. I would prefer just to make those votes myself and write those bills myself, but a direct democracy without any responsibility is horrid.Then again look at how bad right now these ghouls have aimed the ship towards the rocks and the giant cliff. Any attempt to hijack the cabin and right the ship will be met with glowy golems. Instead....we get money worshiping brain dead slavers. Not even real money...fucking FIAT slop.NOT EVEN REAL PAPER FIAT....fucking cloud computing cyber logic gates.
>>539031809It's almost too utopian to contemplate in earnest; what the exact outcome would be.>most modern age problems would simply no longer exist>genius level IQ people no longer feel like ayyliums>get all their intellectual needs fulfilled as a matter of course>get all support they need from the cradleCan't compare a tortured 165 IQ person of the current year with one like that in terms of efficacy, mental health, and so on.In light of that, taking the social consequences into account, even an IQ average of 120 would have dramatic consequences in the long-term, due to the changes acompanying such a shift.This also means raw intelligence isn't the most important matter either; if there was a near-ideal system in place today practically every person would be more competent; even the normies, being drowned in healthy slop instead of toxic slop, would improve in allround performance, which in itself would lead to a rise in average IQ - although some encouragement would still be very helpful and desirable.
>>539030483Philosophers have often tried to become close to power. Those that have succeeded are not written down in History's pages as philosophers, but as kings or leaders. Plato, from which the idea of Philosopher King derives the most, in particular, tried and failed a few times to befriend kings and ingratiate himself to them. You could also base the philosopher king on the leader's class in the Republic (although, necessary comment, the Republic is primarily a psychological treaty, not a political one, but it does have strong political implications), in which case its definitely not the meme of the hermit phiosopher king you have to convince into leading. The ideal form of government would be a theocracy following the true and factual cosmology of the World. Since Phenomenology proves the existence of God, the Catholic's Church Social Program (or probably, whatever version it took back in the early 1900s) would be the closest approximation.
>>539032441>>539031809Fucking IQ memesters. Intelligence is appropriate use toward an end. 150 IQ folks are nearly always a fucking waste of calories.
>>539028023Monarchy is ideal. Let the pleb know who own the land.
>>539028023i dont believe in Buttism because I dont eat poop and Im not from India
>>539028023Society has no purpose and they are all noc who will destroy themselves
>>539033939Philosopher king in its true sense doesn't imply random pseuds becoming king.It's excessively easy to claim being a philosopher, and as such the vast majority of them deserve nothing but scorn.>I think le knowledge>therefore I'm smert>t. Meme DiscarditI'll take a fucking Machiavelli over Plato Bongo.>and so, seemingly, did the ancient rulers who told Plato to fuck offPlato's claim to fame is being early, not being objectively good - but I'm not saying he's anywhere close to the worst either, especially within the context of his time. He does deserve more recognition than most, but transport him into the modern day and all we could say to him is "OK Boomer".>he's got a lot to catch up with>>539034000Isn't that what I'm saying? A 120 IQ average boost would already be dramatic, and beyond 135 it becomes kinda ridiculous.Although you appear to not be aware a major reason high IQ people are dysfunctional is them being surrounded by morons.
>>539028023A government that favors decision making and resource allocation from its intelligent and educated citizens.First of all removing universal suffrage. One must earn the right to vote through demonstrating basic competency in literacy, Language comprehension, mathematics, and knowledge of legal and civics systems. Testing would result in approximately half the population failing to gain the right to vote.Then comes weighted voting. Everyone who passes the competency test recieves a basic one vote but those with proven intelligence, education, skills, experience, and responsibilities are given a multiplier on their vote. So a 20 year old laborer gets 1 vote but a tradesman or low grade professional such as a teacher gets perhaps 10 to 100 times as much. As people age they also get a multiplier to reflect their life experience. Having a family or running a business with employees gets another multiplier to reflect the responsibility. The higher one's value is to society the higher the multiplier. A 40 year old surgeon might acquire a vote weight of 1000 to reflect his skills and value to the community. I would rather be ruled by the intelligentsia than the fucking shitshow of clowns we have today.Because fuck ignorant highly manipulable stupid people. If we are to progress as a civilization its time to stop tolerating them and letting them have an equal say in all matters. Otherwise our lives are always going to be governed by those control freak sociopaths with the funds to direct the dumb masses.
