How did america lose to this?
>>539116740Because trump wasn't president yet
>>539116740We don't fight wars to win. We do it to make the capitalists wealthier.
>>539116740It didnt. The vc were destroyed.
>>539116807Trump is losing still.
>>539116740Because he isn’t crouching. That’s just how he walks because his balls are so heavy.
>>539116740How did China lose to that too?
>>539116740More than half of it was by refusing to see the bigger picture, that they were fighting against Vietnam plus many more countries.If you try to fight China without admitting you are fighting China and attacking them directly you are fighting with one hand tied to your back and should expect to lose any serious engagement.The other half was called Ho Chi Minh.
>>539116890Trump won
>>539116930This. The Soviet Union and China shipped about $8 billion in aid and arms to North Vietnam, which is why they didn't collapse. Same thing with Ukraine being propped up by the West today.
>>539116740I wonder how Bush or Trump would have handle a Vietnam War type of Conflict
>>539117049It's the same attempt, yes, but i see no Ho Chi Minh there.
>>539117049>>539117206Though on second thought: Maybe Syrsky.His story is not yet done and it would be premature to say he cannot be.
>>539117049>8 billion.....Original value: $22–28 billion (1960s–70s dollars)Equivalent in 2026 purchasing power: about $220–335 billion
>>539116740Only the defensive side has to win the war. To not get taken over by the offensive side. The offensive side uses war as the means to an end. That means was to stop communist spread in Vietnam. The US succeeded in their objectives. From a tactical perspective, the Vietnamese were engaged whereas the Americans just wanted to go home. It also is very difficult to be the offensive side in non-flat battlegrounds. Iran is another prime example.
>>539116740Read "War of the Flea"
because they wanted to win. even before zogmerica came in to drop bombs everywhere and get GIs addicted to heroine they were resisting French zog rule. there were members of both resistance groups who spent years chained to boards shitting in the same bucket (where they stashed their communists literature) in French prisons. zogmerica literally had no chance even if the 'US public' would have supported the war and 'let them win'. you would have had to kill every single one.
>>539117363Iran is more like a little islamic America than a Vietnam or Afghanistan though, plus they are genuinely trying to play at power and empire.They have reaching hands which can and are being broken in Hezbollah, they have prizes which can be stolen, cities which can be collapsed.They are a small-ish elephant hoping that pretending to be a tiger would suffice.That's the thing: Their identity and mode of operation disallows them to hide as the others did, hence their reliance ob propaganda to pretend instead.
The average age of a US soldier was 19 You send a bunch of them into the jungle and a lot of them will die
>>539117632Also this, the advantages of young soldiers are very easy to overestimate.As i.e. Hamas & co. recently also came to understand, as for every kino stunt with a tank hundreds die stupidly and pointlessly due to youthful "bravery".
>>539116740For the large majority of them the war wasn't about ideology, it was just about their independence from France. Once you understand this you see why they fought so fiercely for it.The Vietnam war was one of the biggest geopolitical blunders in American history and Vietnam doesn't really get along with China, so it was a misjudgement of a potential ally.
>>539117781Also this, despite their war Vietnam was quick enough to see the value of the US against China.
>>539116930Like Russian then?
>>539118105Yes, in part: >>539117256>>539116930Though it should be said that the situations are fundamentally and obviously different, as the early war's desperate attempts to create artificial distance between Ukrainians and Russians illustrated, though the dragging on nature of the war has caused real distance to be created of course.Then there is the little detail that Vietnam was a naval invasion halfway across the world, into unknown territory.By contrast Ukraine was so well-integrated in the SU that the best knowledge of the land might not even be found in Kiev but rather in Moscow.Then there is the detail that Ukraine's integration into the SU means that it is one of the very few places bordering Russia where logistics is not their biggest problem, as the infrastructure and integration superstructures were literally already there, waiting to be redeployed.And finally there is the detail that an invasion always turns towards ground war, and the USA is fundamentally not a groundwar oriented army but a naval power, unlike Russia.In short: There is a reason it is much less one-sided for either side, in spite of both their "winning" propagandastreams.
>>539116740bad bug spray
>>539116740The army RoE didnt allow for crossing into N. Vietnam. It was strictly a countrr insurgency operation. And the only way you win a counter insurgency is to occupy every single large population center in the area
>>539119019You can also depopulate them, cause them to self-destruct or self-subjugate.Those countries with a few more centuries of warfare experience are unsurprisingly more in the know about this, and the US's refusal to learn and employ/tolerate colonial methods has always been a glaring ideological weakness.
>>539120217I don't think you were allowed to cause famines or slip some poison into important people's food in the 1960's.
>>539120531Oh that's unnecesary, a blunt "give up your traitors or you die with them" works wonders.We havr complete guides in how to subjugate the browns, all rather hard to find nowadays for obvious reasons but had they been enacted at any moment in Afghanistan or Vietnam the war would have bern won.(And yes uou also forbade France from using them, and we lost Indonesia thanks to you in similar fashion)
>>539116740>Fight war to secure the South>North get their asses kicked>Agree to lay off the South>End war>Leave>South Vietnamese government takes a shit>North runs them out and violates agreement>HAHAHAHAHAHA AMERICA LOST TO RICE FARMERS IN PAJAMASThe revisionism behind what actually happened is mind bogglingly retarded.
>>539116924jews
>>539116924Because VietChads are indestructible
>>539120878nigger thinks we dont know that usa left after seeing tet offensive that they couldnt defend south >>539116740it was pointless war for americans. they could occupy some hill with heavy losses only to retreat later on. vietcong had good supplies and morale. it was their own homeland. meanwhile american occupiers were fighting far away home.
>>539123935But they did successfully defend the south for 5 more years after the Tet Offensive, which also essentially destroyed the Viet Cong and they never played a significant part in the war after that. The guy you replied to is right, the amount of revisionism or just plain ignorance about that war is ridiculous.
>>539124821usa lost
>>539116877SPBP
>>539116740China, Cambodia, and Soviets sent hundreds of thousands of soldiers and military equipment in support of North Vietnam. US was winning but for some reason they feared nuclear escalation and civil unrest over the draft and so abandoned the war.
They trained themselves by using giant rocks just to sniper the fuck out of every CIA head at the time
>>539116877This guy gets it.>>539116899This guy also gets it.>>539117175Poorly.
>>539116740Same way their loosing to turd world ragheads right now
>>539116740it was a war wuth no end goal, as sych the invader always loses. FFS, US, technically, lost in Afghanistan for this reason.
