When you think about it, we really are most likely alone in the universe. In order for a planet to be habitable it needs to:>Be in the habitable zone>Needs to be a yellow star (red dwards will tidally lock planets while blue stars emit too much radiation)>Needs to be rocky>Needs to have the right mass. Too much it's gravity is too crushing and too little it will become airless.>Needs to have liquid water but not too much to become a global ocean world>Needs to have right kind of atmosphere>Needs volcanic activity but not too much to create a Venus>Needs plate tectonics>Needs a large gas giant in the outer edges to protect from asteroids>Needs to have a moderate axial tiltAnd finally>Needs a large planet to GRAZE (not fully crash into as that would create just a giant asteroid field) to create an oversized moonI don't see basically almost any world in the universe to hit all of those boxes so we might just truly be alone. Either we got incredibly lucky or all of this is something created by some higher power.
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>>539122833damn, i was looking forward to a standard issued alien waifu
I'm not even alone in my own head and you think we're alone in the universe? LOL. LMAO even.
>>539122833There are trillions of planets in our galaxy alone. We've found amino acids that formed on random meteors, so the building blocks of life are apparently common in the universe.
>>539122833Well great news. There's something like 1,000,000,000,000+ planets just in our galaxy
>>539122833That, for a carbon based life
>>539122833>blue stars emit too much radiationWAT."HABITABLE ZONE" MEANS SOMETHING, RETARD.TOO MUCH RADIATION MEANS IT ISN'T THE FUCKING HABITABLE ZONE. DID YOU THINK LIGHT WASN'T RADIATION?
>the bizarre atheist brain
>>539122991>>539122979And there are even more galaxies in the observable universe
>>539122833It's still a higher chance than winning the lottery and there have been multiple lottery winners. So statistically, we would expect many other planets with life out there
>>539122833Nah, because universe is infinitely big therefore everything is a certainty.
>>539122833Not my problem. Maybe fix this mudball and then see what's out there
>>539122833none of this is a fact and another thing that fundamentally changed the understanding of this is obviously that obviously AI -that is non-biological intelligence/sentience- can exist, we even basically unlocked the building blocks. a bit more sophistication and we're there ourselves.on the biological side we also discovered more life form types that can photosynthesize AND more non-photosynthetic methods to get energy in the last bunch of yearsand so on. basically it all widens the options for not just life but eventual sentience/intelligence at or beyond our level rather than just "clusters of molecules that replicate somehow"
>>539122833>we are alone in the universeWe're alone in the sense that other intelligent species are millions of light years away across giant voids of space.
>>539123221>no-biological intelligence/sentience can existWe have no non-biological intelligence/sentience.
>>539123223I doubt we're alone in this galaxy, which means thousands of light years not millions.
>>539122833Insanely wrong
>>539123253AI. inb4 not intelligent enough for me. it surpassed animals already and matches humans in many disciplines if not most.there is nothing that will stop it from being just as intelligent and sentient.
>>539122833I don’t agree. I think it’s likelier that the conditions to make life are very uncommon, but more importantly, new. Consider how many elements needed to be formed through multiple iterations of star formation and nova occurrence for our rocky planet to have its current composition, let alone the life here. It’s also a possibility that we’re first, but there will be others.
>>539123158The conditions for life as we know it to form on this planet are infinitely small. But the universe is also infinitely large, so chances are there are an uncountable number of planets just like ours.This isn't even getting into what life could be like on other planets not like ours. Life is a tenacious thing that will persist in spite of all odds.
>>539123331>It’s also a possibility that we’re firstThats dumb as fuck
>>539122833An orange dwarf would do nicely. It could start as a rocky planet in the habitable zone, drift outward to get covered in a giant ocean from iceball impacts then drift inwards and have its oceans mostly boiled away by intense star flares during the star's first billion years. Then the star calms down and remnants of the water form oceans (mostly boiled away by the star ). The plant life would be purple, red and black, and the climate mild from pole to pole. It could even have a moon like ours to keep the poles from shifting but maybe that doesn't matter if the climate is mild. Perhaps there's more or less land. It could be an archepelago world like One Piece to keep the population down. Another option is an 'avatar moon' world close to a red dorf. But it would have to be far outside the radiation belts but close enough to be protected from flares, which may or may not be a thing. Maybe tidally locked to planet? Not sure didn't explore this scenario. The type K star scenario would have the planet orbit its star about 18 times in the span Earth orbits the sun 10 times.
>>539122833>incapable of conceptualizing scale of the cosmosngmi
won the astronomical lottery but its just a coincidence btw because everything must be limited to the standard belief systems
>>539122833Every star is conjecture to have at least one planet (excluding anomalies like rogue stars). If there are say 400 billion stars then planets are at least near 1-1 correspondence with stars and most stars probably contain more than one planet. Now we are just one in many trillions of galaxies so we are talking an astronomical number like a sextillion planets at least in the observable universe alone. Even if life is extremely rare it's likely there are millions at least out there is not more (even under the assumption of rare intelligence). We are only "alone" because of distance. It takes us as of present 17,000+ years to traverse 4.2 light years or 25 trillion miles and the nearest life could be 1000 light years but we will never know.
>>539122833>alone in the universe I wonder about it.The fact that there is no gnostic perception of the galaxy apart from us on Earth means the rest of the galaxy has "infinite" time to develop life. Infinite or rather an undefined amount of time, which cycles back to, there is already life out there. It's a good application of the classic falling tree paradox, you see.
>>539122833try dmt
>>539123401Kill yourself
>>539123454Because life there would evolve to see different frequencies it might even call plants 'green' when they were not actually green. Their word would fill all the niches our word 'green' does to us so it would seem more natural to just use it to describe some warmer shade Water would be azure as it would absorb near infrared. But that's not too distractiing because reileigh scattering makes water seem blue to us. But to them it would really BE blue.
>>539123370>Life is a tenacious thing that will persist in spite of all odds.That's faith, not science. Observable data says otherwise.
>>539122833>In order for a planet to be habitable it needs to:Have a species with enough tech and power to engineer it to their liking. Barren moon orbiting a dead world around a red dwarf? The next hot vacation spot with enough fusion reactors. >tl;dr it takes one world where technology arises
>>539122833>>Needs to be rockyIt's even worse considering you need enough of the heavier elements like sulfur and phosphate on your planet so life can thrive.Our solar system is not only among the first generation of systems to have a sufficient amounts, it is also among the first in this generation to even exist. This is due to the fact that the nebula which our sun formed is the result of a star explosion which in turn was one of the first to created these elements during its life cycle.Planets in star systems that formed before simply didn't have enough heavier elements to support life.
>>539122833You have arrived at the fine tuning of the universe argument for God's existence, and if you look into it, it gets far crazier than what you posted.>>539123466Oh yeah it's always>the universe is bigger than you think>the evollutionary timeline is longer than you thinkBoth are wrong. Look up the Cambrian explosion or the other thing I mentioned to the guy above. There is neither the time nor the space for random nonsense to congeal into intelligent life. Sorry retard.>>539123508Go away demon.
>>539122833The Earth is flat.
>>539123598There's probably lots of places that could be seeded with life that would never evolve life that would survive on its own. Why not seed mars with microbots powered by solar panels then have sapient bots 'eat them' for parts creating a whole ecosystem? Maybe silicon based life wouldn't evolve because of lack of solvents but why couldn't life that doesn't need solvents be seeded skipping the step of evolving life de-novo?
>>539123799I want to torture people like you
>>539123807This could be Mars
>>539122833space is fake and earth is flat
>>539122833lot of problems with this theory>you assume that life always has to take our carbon/water form, and that's an assumption>we've already observed planets with similar distance and amount of water as we have, and that's only what we can see with a telescope, which is not much>there are other situations in which life could evolve, such as underneath ice in cold water, heated by the core of the planet>the universe is infinitely big from what we can tell, so even though the chance is very low, there are tons of dice rolls to the point where it's actually more likely that out of all those random combinations, at least one of them must be a similar situation to ours>it happened here, so we know it CAN happen, and anything that CAN happen will most likely happen over and over given a long enough time frame>we've already observed craft like the Phoenix Lights which could not be possible with our current technology on Earth.
>>539122833The fact there's a universe for any of that to happen at all is ridiculous.
>>539123834>DON'T YOU DARE SPEAK THE TRUTH!>YOU MUST BE TORTURED!t. scared freemason
>>539122833A lot of those suppositions assume alien life would mirror the requirements for life on earth, this is logical insofar as this is the only life we are familiar with, but it strikes me as hubris to assume these are the only conditions through which it could develop.
>>539123737>apply a completely arbitrary series of subjectively derived notions of what quantities of time and resource abundancies seem appropriate for formation of life, which notions are based on nothing with no frame of perspective whatever>I'm right because my feelings say so
>>539122833why are people so terrified of this concept? i find it comforting. science fiction faggots are silly
>>539123485>sextillionyes please
>>539122833At least one in ten million planets will meet those criteria, meaning there is still lots and lots of life out there.
you simply cant understand the scale of the things you are talking about OP
>>539122833>Needs to have liquid water but not too much to become a global ocean worldWhy can't life form in a global ocean world?>>539122991>>539123158Still not enough. The odds are slimmer than 1 in 10^100. >>539123020No other kind is possible. >>539123189YWNBAW>>539123635Heavy elements are created by neutron star collisions, not supernovae.
>>539122833>Space is the last frontier but it was made in a Hollywood basementT. Red Hot Chili Peppers
>>539124046intergalactic tardigrades should concern anyone.
>>539123471not that coincidental. there are more annular or partial eclipses than there are total eclipses. the moon is traveling away from the earth and one day totals wont happen anymore
>>539124096Science fiction mostly failed to warn us that our robots would kill us. It was mostly Jews teaching us that robots are people too.
>>539124300>turn around bright eyes
>>539124217>Still not enough. The odds are slimmer than 1 in 10^100.How did you calculate this? Show your work.
>>539122833The universe is pretty big.
>>539124392>ET life MUST exist because lots of planetsOh, so no one really knows and everyone is just pulling shit from their assholes? Got any evidence that life exists somewhere besides Earth except "there must be"?
>>539122833The Moon isn't from this star system.It was brought to this star system, then later towed to Earth (the motor had been intentionally disabled).
>>539124051Scientists have not yet accomplished abiogenesis, ie the creation of life from inorganic compounds, in a laboratory. The assertion that 6 billion years, 500 million years, or any timeline is sufficient to bring inorganic compounds to be intelligent life is an absurdity. I was merely pointing out that we are often sold the observed diversity of organisms today had many billions of years to unfold is a massive lie. According to the fossil record, there was a much shorter timeline.But then your side doesn't even have the starting point. How many years does it take random processes to produce life from non-life? If you have an answer, how do you justify it given the fact that despite numerous attempts at abiogenesis nobody has been able to do it?
>>539124217>The odds are slimmer than a number I pulled out of my ass that by all accounts would STILL fall within parameters of several planets in the observable universe.Just still to celestial domes/space is fake etc
>>539124526we dont have hard evidence yet but it is asinine to disregard probability theory.
>>539123401>>It’s also a possibility that we’re first>Thats dumb as fuckNot dumb at all. If the conditions are not unique, but rare enough that Earths are spaced out by thousands of light years, and FTL communication is impossible, then intelligent life could arise roughly simultaneously on many worlds, and several or even all could be "the first" by definition.
>>539122833If Earth was even 1 meter closer to the Sun then GTA 6 would never be released.
>>539122938Based targeted person schizo anon.
>>539124217>No other kind is possible.you don't know that
>>539122833This just means that in order to find other planets with life on them, we should look for star systems that are equally as lucky and feature weird coincidences like >>539123471
>>539122833YOU STUPID FOOL THEY'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE US!
>>539122938based remote positioner
>>539123311It was programmed to, it's an algorithm with extra steps directed by an intelligence that had already surpassed animals, that being humans. It has not surpassed humans in intelligence because it has no true will of its own, it does not seek of its own accord to address anything unless asked to.
>>539124842thats only for life as we understand it. other life could be unimaginably different
>>539122833>We are very likely alone in the universeEven if we're not, we may as well be given the vast distances, and constant ever increasing speed of expansion..
We'll probably find out simple life is fairly common and probably occurs on almost every ocean world. The conditions to create primates on Earth might be uncommon enough that it's very hard to observe others.
>>539122833Doesn't really matter, I just handle what I create and what life throws at me.
>>539124954Expansion is completely irrelevant to living things. There's infinite resources for a civilization in the solar system and there's even more infinite possibilities in a galaxy.
>>539122991Prove it, and not with cgi balls, that isnt proof.
>>539122833This fake world is a simulation. Literally like wreck it ralph
The thing is we have an enemy called SHALAL HULUD and you are not exactly fucking helping, aren't you?
>>539122833> implying space is real
>>539125087a galaxy is finite. due to the accelerating expansion of space one day the milky way will be alone in the void as the other galaxies would have receded past the horizon where not even light from them will be fast enough to reach us.
There are countless planets in countless galaxies in massive groups and the observable universe is just a tiny section of the total universe.The odds of us being completely alone seems vanishingly low to me.That said the distances involved are so vast that we might as well be alone even if there are alien civilizations around.
My guess is that there are a few tiers of creature in the universe. We are these mortal beings, probably engineered as slaves for a more evolved immortal alien race. You would need to live for thousands of years, for sub light speed travel to work out for your species. Humans can't even really consider traveling between the stars except in wild sci fi's about generation ships or faster than light travel. But the FTL travel would belong to an even higher tier of creature that is capable of warp, and time travel and various other god tier feats.
>>539122833We're probably not alone, more likely is that there is an absolute limit to technology meaning that all life is doomed to remain mostly within the cradle that spawned it.At best we'll eventually spy the echoes of some million years dead alien civilisation like ours and get to witness its descent into despair ad they realise there is no way further.
>>539123074Keep worshipping a zombie jew lol. Science is the realm of the Aryans.
this has yet to be disproved https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Lvv1f5Qu4
>>539124623You have NO IDEA what the odds of life forming are. It's asinine to assume there "must be" life elsewhere. >>539124835Yes I do. >>539125087You can't travel at infinite speed. The speed of light is very slow compared to astronomical distances.
I believe this but only because it matches with the cosmogonic story of the Sumerian people.The only "mistake " is that remnants from the planet "Theia" in this case (Nibiru in the cosmogony) survived and the crash messed up the planets orbit, thus making it an extra long elliptical orbit around the Sun. According to them, the Gods that live there made us in a lab or something, to be their slave labourers, and they come to Earth every 3.300 years, approximate cycle of their electrical orbit, and come and take our gold to aeriate in their asthenic atmosphere so they can trap in heat, helps them survive the next cycle/orbit.
>>539122833your fucking retarded if you think thea was a graze...earths gravity quadrupled within the span of an hour once thea merged with earths core...it was such an energetic impact that the opposite side of earth from the impact raised thousands of feet and took 10-100 million years just to smooth out. as for the asteroid belt, there were a fucking shit ton of proto planets between mars and jupiter, those got shredded by other protoplanets or just shotgunned by multiple smaller impacts. the mass of the asteroid belt is no where even fucking close to that of earths or mars. additionally, until 70ish million years ago the earth recieved daily close to 1.5million tons of shit from space. plate tectonics, continental drift, the square cube law in regards to giant fucking reptiles, it all points to the undisputable fact that earth has grown over its geologic lifetime which in turn increased its gravity. valleys/hills/mountains are essentially the equivalent of stretch marks and cellulite because, like a fat bitch, since earths volume keeps increasing, so too does cellulite/etc.tldr: the earth has been growing for billion of years from millions of tons of space shit falling to it. earth is basically a fat whore>Percentage CalculationTo find the mass of the asteroid belt (Mbelt) as a percentage of Mars's mass (MMars), we use the following formula:Percentage=(MbeltMMars)×100 Substituting the established values into the equation:Percentage=(2.39×10^21kg/6.4171×10^23kg)×100Percentage≈0.003724×100Percentage≈0.372% thus, the total mass of the entire asteroid belt is approximately 0.37% of the total mass of Mars (or roughly 1/268the of the mass of mars).
>>539122833it's funny that with all those qualifiers you labeled, you still cant use math to rewind orbits until you find when those conditions happened
>>539125482you dont know what the word "odds" means
>>539125312>the observable universe is just a tiny section of the total universeWould be interesting if true. Observable universe is already huge, if the basedentists are right.
>>539125087>Expansion is completely irrelevant to living things. There's infinite resources for a civilization in the solar system and there's even more infinite possibilities in a galaxy.The OP was regarding other life in the universe not the purported "infinite" resources of the solar system.
>>539125566Oh, please explain it to me, professor.
>>539125482sentient life was designed by a higher being. your delusional to think we are alone.
>>539125582no scientist who has published work since the mid 70's is right about fuck all. the sell out cunts simply research to ensure more funding. every single thing they come up with is derivitive, or absolute bullshit. there is nothing based about that, infact it's quite the opposite. faggots like you and all those corporate phd's need to be hung by the neck until dead
>>539122833No we can't be alone because God promised me an alien catgirl gf
>>539123311It's just probabilistic mimicry
On the bright side, if we truly are alone then entire universe belongs to us and we can do whatever the fuck we want with it.
little ant is saying that there is nothing else in the universe TOP KEKthere are trillions of galaxies with billions of stars in them and with our current technology we can't even get to mars a planet that is in our own fucking solar system
>>539122833Well, we have intelligent squids on our planet, and ocean worlds are more common. I think there will be plenty of aquatic aliens and not much else.
>>539125741>I watched Eric Weinstein on Joe Rogan. I know what I'm talking about.
>>539125783humanity will be lucky if we get to titan in 300 years kekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsyECfDBkdwwatch this video real life is not a marvel movie
>>539125783Provided we can survive that long without killing ourselves first
>very likelyNot even very likely. I've gone down the lone civilization in the universe hole and you left out a lot of other things. A simple thing would be radio waves. Our radio waves have traveled 120 light years by now, where are theirs? We are it.
>>539124217>Heavy elements are created by neutron star collisions, not supernovae.Sorry for my bad english, I didn't mean "heavy elements", I meant elements heavier than hydrogen and helium that are still set free by supernova explosions(so everything below and including iron)
>>539122833Shame that the only world in the universe that has life, is filled with retards.
>>539125741Take it easy. Soi got filtered to based when I tried to type soi-entists.
>>539122833It's entirely possible that life doesn't need to be all that similar to life on Earth. So it all these requirements are not a factor.The universe is also so big it defies human comprehension. So even if life can only ever be similar to how it is here, there are almost infinity chances that it happens spontaneously if that is possible. If life can happen here then it can probably happen somewhere else.If we were created or were transplanted here from some other reality or some crazy shit like that we could be alone though. Sure. That's not any more likely than the alternatives though. We don't know enough to determine that.
>>539124944>It was programmed tothe mechanism isn't a mystery anymore, which left all those "it's so fantastic it must be divinely inspired" ideas in the dustbin of antique beliefsthe method by which we train is an imitation of what can happen with simple evolution natural selection> It has not surpassed humans in intelligence because it has no true will of its ownyou claim have "true will on your own" in a way that separates you from all AI, but there are no such tests that show this. invent one and (you will equally not be given insight into the AI) AI will pass it
>>539123471Why is it a lottery? It just makes them the same size in our sky. If we had 9 moons we would be like, "on September 9th, 2099, all 9 moons will be ordered by size just like the 9 planets are..."This kind of shit is everywhere. We seek it out and ignore everything else. It's confirmation bias. And I'm not limiting us to standard belief systems btw
you are assuming that life can't evolve in forms adapted to other conditions besides our ownclearly that is not the case, since we already know of extremophile bacteria in our own planet where they can survive in ridiculously harsh conditions
>>539122833What, an intelligent person on this shithole? Impossible.I don't even need to read the comments to know half of them are space is fake illiterates, the others are crying you stabbed their marvelslop ayylmao fantasies in the heart. The more intelligent ones might say "b but w we used to think we were the center of the universe and unique, look how that turned out...".>Either we got incredibly lucky or all of this is something created by some higher powerWe have the observer's bias. We are alone and that's that. The next step is working on eugenics to better the human race (or at least your own cunt). We won't make it if the parasites and science taboo keep ruling over us.
>>539125643>source: asshole
>>539125741Yeah the profit factor is an influence and you should be skeptical, but commie dooming like this is a little much. That device you're using to shitpost did not exist in 1970.
>>539122833You would also need a supernova in the vicinity to seed your planet with minerals it needs for life. The supernova has to be strong enough to seed your planet with the minerals but not destroy the entire system. The other thing is that the rocky planet in the habitable zone has to have a significant quantity of water which seems rare based on the exoplanets we've discovered. The star has to be in a relatively calm area in the galaxy, you don't want your star near the center where there are stars whipping around at relativistic speeds. Then again, who really knows all of the weird ways that life can form? You could have a life that uses nuclear reactions and quantum tunnelling instead of chemical reactions form on something like a neutron star. It's not impossible to have silicon based life instead of carbon based that could form on molten lava worlds. It's not impossible that silicon based life would have formed on Earth prior to Theia and was wiped out in the great impact.
>>539122833>In order for a planet to be habitable it needs*habitable by humans
>>539122833earth is flat, faggot.. god created earth, moon and the sun. deal with it, fag
>>539126135I don't mean any disrespect toward scientists and their good work. It's just a funny shitpost okay?
>>539125974Even if there are/were other life somewhere, it relies on both lifeforms existing, evolving and developing tech the during the same mote of time. we could miss eachother by a few thousand years and we'd never know either of us existed.The odds of two lifeforms evolving and being capable of finding each other in the universe would be like hitting a human hair with a bullet (tech allowing) shot from europe to the usa in one shot. Not impossible but, the odds aren't good.
>>539122833You forgot>Needs seasons with harsh winters to evolve humanoids that need to think and plan using a concept of timeOtherwise you just get a planet of niggers who will never leave the planet or send radio signals into space
>>539122833There is life on Earth in the harshest, most extreme environments. I think your criteria is far too strict.
>>539125482>Yes I do.No, you don't
>>539125899How dare you cast shade and dispersions of the kind that I wouldn't seek to cast on you, but I will now. I'm not seeking your favor, nor do I need seek your approval. As you know, you failed to gain tenure at the University of Chicago. You're not highly regarded in the field. You're not a leading person in the field. The equations that Natty Seiberg and Ed Witten introduced were mine, all mine! Your intellectually insulting aspect reminds me of you as the Marie-Antoinette of theoretical physics influencers. You have a serious problem with dark energy that's going to go right through having a problem with Lambda-CDM which eventually will be a problem with the Einstein field equations. Imagine a world where Elon Musk and Sam Altman continue to compete for better and better AIs. What would you say if at some point those AIs read my paper and said "Holy cow, that is exactly what we've been missing?"
>>539122833You will risk sucking Satan's cock in hell for eternity just so you can larp as a space cadet.That's sad, OP.
>>539125780it's rather the same capability with no particular caveatshuman intelligence also has the probabilistic thing happening in the neurons, rightthe hints from biology/medicine that intelligence probably doesn't require an EXTREMELY specific arrangement/training of the logic represented in neurons and so on were already there but now we basically know
>>539125139what would you accept as proof?
Space isn't real.
>>539126872>wondering about the universe earns you a spot in hellrules made up by malevolent retards
>>539126902Anything that isnt some cgi concept art of what it supposedly is would be a good start.
>>539126796Unless there's some other form of life that doesn't rely on chemistry, yes I do. Carbon is the only atom capable of concatenation of more than a few atoms while being bonded to atoms of other elements. You need to be able to do this for biology to happen. Unless you have some sort of hyperdimnesional plasma being, carbon-based life is your only option.
>>539126632What time does Santa Claus arrive at your house today, moron
>>539122833You hope we are alone, don't you? You think all of this just happened by accidents and coincidence? You are far dumber than you think you are
>>539123370We don't know if the universe is infinite though. Even if it is, it's useless because we're bound to our location. >>539123956The Kepler space telescope was conceived for the exact purpose of finding earth-like planets. Guess how many it found? None.As OP said, we have found similar planets, but none that would be an exact match to ours. The problems start with the star system istelf, making the entire observation moot.
>>539122833according to the rabbis God is a hapless retard and created this world by accident and now needs their help to correct it (by destroying it completely). it is not by coinicidence that they also seem to believe* that they are the remnants of satan as he was cast down from heaven (seeing as their pride is through the roof, thinking they are better than God at running things).*like I haven't seen them say it openly but there are huge hints
>>539126964Still, you gotta admire their tard wrangling skills.
>>539122833The scariest part about our universe is just how powerless and ignorant man is. We don't even have comprehensive accounts of what happened during the earliest major civilizations. Our religions offer no proof or objective evidence, so even magical salvation isn't a solution to the problem. Most of the universe is directly hostile to life, and the distances are so vast that it will take an absolute miracle of scientific breakthrough or engineering to ever make even nearby exploration viable. And without exploration we lack the data we simply lack the validation for many theories.
>>539122833Who says life needs all that? I bet you never even made life.
>>539122833In English, doc?
>>539122979A trillion is not a very large number. Improbable events can trivially crush a trillion down to zero. If a man stood on every planet in the universe and flipped a coin 100 times, the expected number of times that a coin would land heads 100 times is zero.
>>539127388English is my third language, and i understood every point he made. I bet you are the type of man who has strong opinions despite not knowing his own language. If you don't have strong opinions, then excuse moi.
>>539122833White people are already at the peak of biological capacities. Give them more IQ and they go crazy, autistic or worse, schizo.You will NOT find any life form in the universe more perfect than the White Man.
>>539127284The religions deliver purpose. Science can only destroy purpose. Science will be the downfall of humanity. Look what it did to the birth rates. Science makes humans stupid and infertile.
>>539127521>capacities*Capabilities
All life must originate from other life. The earth was seeded from external life. There has not been a single person able to refute this. Aliens exist or God exists, that's the only logical explanation.
>>539122979Life is just a form of matter. A complex one. Where the correct conditions exist matter spontaneously organises itself into life. That it is as much a change of state of matter as boiling water is.Every time I hypothesise the alone in the universe question. It is far more likely that the micro of our own efforts in nature is the macro. There most certainly is other lifeforms in the universe who have absolutely zero reason to make us aware of them even if they have the ability.Like where the fuck are all these humans trying to have a conversation with a badger? So why the fuck would advanced aliens be so enthusiastic to involve themselves with us out with passive stewardship? Drop an artifact here and there to push us along if they are so lonely.I'd imagine if, then there would be some galactic federation that protects non space faring beings. Not allowed to touch new life. Let it do it's thing, once it's grown into species equivalent of an adult then get fucked in.But it's like the conquering fuggin Warhammer shit? Not unless they are harvesting fuggin souls. Otherwise no benefit to announcing yourself to people completely unaware of your presence out with direct intervention.> Aliens will come and babysit us into advancement> Because we are just so special> Fire bricks with scratchings into deep space and they will seek our knowledge> t.humans
>>539127522>The religions deliver purpose.A fantasy purpose that leads to nothing is no better than a lack of purpose.> Look what it did to the birth rates. Science makes humans stupid and infertile.There are more people now than at any point in our history. Why do you think there's a need for billions of unwashed religious Pajeets and Mbombos? I would rather have higher quality humans than hordes of religious bots spouting the same stuff over and over.
>>539122979>We've found>weI fucking hate redditors so much it's unreal.Greetings from Spain.
>>539122833Billions of planets, yet there are millions in yellow and red giant stars orbit. There are concentrations near the center of the galaxy too. Plenty of Earth like worlds are discovered every month with a good chance of hosting life, probably bacteria.
>>539127059keep seething, tranny
>>539122833When the spinning ball-Earth is finally exposed worldwide for the 400+ year deception it was, Earth's entire population will suddenly be faced with the reality that every government, every space agency, university, secret society, religious organization, mainstream and alternative media outlet have ALL been duplicitous in propping up a monstrous manipulation to fleece and control the masses. The resulting mass mental exodus away from the control system is exactly what humanity needs. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these lying politicians, spokesmen, reporters and teachers suddenly change from being heralded voices of authority to being ridiculed, shunned and denounced as they deserve. Once the flat Earth truth gets out, these governments, universities, media outlets and other entangled organizations which have long been hard at work weaving this multi-generational ball-Earth myth, suddenly and completely lose all credibility. Once the truth of our flat Earth gets out, so does the truth of these few elite families/societies who have kept this most important and fundamental reality from us for these hundreds of years! Essentially, once the flat Earth truth gets out, so does every other important truth by proxy, because this "mother-of-all-conspiracies" holds under its umbrella literally ALL of the other conspiracies, and exposes them.
>>539127789To think there are no other life forms is ridiculous, there just won't be any more intelligent than us
>>539124526Why didn’t you show your math and instead reply with a question?
>>539127713They feel better though. That is important. Look at how much the feelings of idiots influence in the world. Science needs to sell itself better or something. Something being true doesn't matter if people feel bad about it.
>>539122833>it couldnt hecking happen on its own!!!>muh sky jew did it
>>539126381>>539126887I agree with you, it's just like natural selection, and we are a part of nature. This is kind of like how we created dog breeds. We created more intelligent dog breeds and I don't see why there should be an upper limit. Some dogs are even smarter than some people. I mainly disagree with calling AI sentient. That implies way too many things about it
>>539122833In order for us to be unique, something astronomically (using this word literally) rare must be both a necessary condition for forming intelligent life, and be in our history.The moon forming was astronomically rare, and tidal mixing may have been a critical component of life on earth evolving.The fermi observation (70+ years of hearing nothing) suggests that life is not present in our observable neighborhood. The longer this goes on, the more likely it is that it will continue, and we will be alone.The brandenburg hypothesis, if true, does wreck this.
>>539122833There‘s gotta be a higher power
>>539127507>MESA LAVWIJ TIRD ENWISH, YOOSY JUS NO REED ENGWIJ
>>539124217In theory, any element that can form long chains can be the basis for life. Right now we know of Carbon and Silicon that can do this. Carbon is better because it forms stronger bonds but Silicon might be more probably in really really hot worlds where Silicon Dioxide is in it's gaseous state. For example, the early earth prior to the Great Impact.
>>539122833Thought Theia became Mars and the collision knocked a chunk off PEarth that became the Moon.
>>539127713Thanks for proving my point. Science turns people into superstitious retards. Your people will perish because they have no purpose and no meaning. Science stole everything from them. Even their gods. All that's left is soulless husks now. Desperately indulging in hedonism without any hope for the future.
>>539122833For exactly the same as earth-like life these conditions have to be met, but the universe produces life in all different sorts of conditions
>>539122833Nigger, you assume that life can only be carbon based. The life forms out there might be silicon based, and we only use tools to scan for carbon based life forms only. As far as I know, we cant scan for silicon and other type of life forms
>>539128388>70 years of observation suggeststhats like 0.0000005% of history, retard
I'm not believing that there is anyone else BUT I'm also not against being proven wrong.A pixel soup with some radio speech is not proof enough for me.I need to actually see it myself, not through a screen or hear a story but to factually see it myself with my own eyes.I can't disprove my own experience and I'll happily accept that they exist.Until that day comes.. We are indeed, alone.
>>539128403I pity the atheist who wastes his life chasing false gods while denying himself to see the real one.
>>539128519Do you even know what "superstitious" means? I suggest you look it up because it pretty much opposes your entire statement. You clearly have no objective point here and just want to ramble about "le ebin science makes me unable to breed".
>>539122833You're getting fake aliens that are really human-animal hybrid experiments with dark money.
>>539124842Very good point, the weird coincidences such as moon and sun appearing same size in the sky indicates that we were probably seeded by aliens or something, that it was influenced by some way by a higher life form. Problem is we would never be able to know what planets in other star systems have moons that fit that criteria, it’s hard enough to discover exoplanets and so exo moons are 100% out of our technology to discover and then we’d have to try and do the math somehow to prove it.
>>539128619>I>I>me>I>myself>I>my>IYou are indeed alone.
>>539122833No. If life formed in deep oceans warmed by geothermal activity, it is logical to assume any planet that has a hot core and deep water likely has developed microbial life, and still has it. If the microbial life exists, it is only a matter of time for it to develop into complex life. What is likely is that most planets have complex life but it's bound to the water which makes technological development practically impossible.
>>539127924To show "must be" tards that they have no leg to stand on.>>539128466Silicon cannot form a chain of more than about 5. You can have silicone or some other form where there is -Si-O-Si- going on for a long time, but good luck forming genetic material with this. You might be able to form something slightly akin to a protein, but it won't have the reactivity that you need for life.
>>539128708>god is real, but he'll never ever show himself or even provide a shred of evidence that he's here, i promise. just trust me bro.
>>539128760>hurr durr I am very intelligentyou're too stupid to differentiate between fact and convenient assumption
>>539128708>see the real oneShow me. No, don't point to a jewish fantasy book.
>>539128873Who are you quoting there? The voices from your crack pipe? I pity you.
>>539128977>i swear i didnt say that, muh context!!!!nice try achmed
>>539122833There's roughly 2 trillion planet in just this galaxy. There's at least 2 trillion galaxies each with just about 2 trillion planets in each galaxy. There's plenty of earths out there in cosmos.
>>539128941>books are dumb, atheists don't read
>>539122833We don't know how rare these kinds of planets are because we can't reliably detect them. If we looked at our own star system from another one we'd probably just see Jupiter and Saturn and nothing else.
>>539128938You are very stupid. You're trying to use superstition as an argument against science, and painting religion as something that is not superstitious. You should at least look up the definition of the word, so it makes sense to you as to why you're stupid.
>>539122833That's a good thing. If there were giant tentacle monsters in a far away planet they are probably 100% animals and don't want to be our friends.
>>539129051Why are you atheists always such cringelords, Moshe?
>>539122833learn remote viewingrealize consciousness can exists without physicality
>>539129113>please ignore me, I'm illiterateOkay
>>539122833Recently I read a scifi book called Pushing Ice that featured ayy ships that would loiter for millions of years until an intelligent race evolved, then catch their attention and whisk an exploratory crew off into the far future by traveling at lightspeed. The point was to bring together multiple species, since galaxies only tend to have one intelligent race at a time with large gulfs of time between spacefaring civilizations. The early-universe ayys were lonely so they set up a way for species to cohabitate in the far future. Anyway it could be like that, where intelligent life only arises once or twice per galaxy and never at the same time. That'd explain the silence.
>>539129140What's your problem with tentacle monsters? I want to be a Japanese tentacle monster in my next life.
>>539129078I read the Hobbit. Bilbo Baggins is god. The real god.
>>539129146>y-y-youre jewish! s-s-s-shit up!!!your jewish fairytales are the cringest shit that have ever existed on earth and worse they limit your mental faculties to the extent that you refuse to think for yourself. i dont even need to don a fedora or a yarmulke to clown on you.
I do personally believe in grand design. However, if its not the case we were created by God, and we merely passed thousands of cosmkcndide rolls successfully, then by infinite extrapolation there MUST be more life out there.Maybe it takes on a form that would be so alien we don't recognize it. Something so alien it isn't even comprehensible.
>>539129252That's like believing you're the only living thing in the forest because it's silent wherever you go.
>>539129305Okay Moshe. Never take your meds
>>539129219So now you're going to run away and call me illiterate when you don't know the definition of a basic word you're trying to use in an argument?Thank you for providing yet another example of a silly religious individual.
>>539129485>im a huge superstitious niggerfaggot, so ill just pretend to take the high ground in order to save face in light of my disgraceful behaviorwhat you should do is kill yourself so you can go be with your sky jew, since youre so sure he's there.
>>539122833The moon isn't necessary, though. Niggers have stories of a life without the moon, and apparently, they lived in way nicer and more tropical climates.
>1pbtid>demoralizationLook up at the stars and feel not alone; look up and acknowledge that all that you see belongs to you and us.
>>539129524>my mighty megabrain is so intimidating that everyone is running awayyou're a banal idiot who makes up random shit on the go. you're too dumb to tell the difference between fact and assumption. you're an atheist. you're too illiterate to understand a simple social media shitpost. you're an atheist. you play the insulted HR Karen because your fee fees are all that matters to you. You are an atheist. You're too dumb to find even the lowest of gods.
>>539123275True. A good PBS eons video pointed out that we may be trying to look for intelligence in the wrong way and that's why we don't see it.>>539123311It's not real AI.
>>539129588Okay Moshe
>>539129368It's nothing like that, bad metaphor.We're in an infinite void speckled with clusters of stars. There might be a trillion civilizations out there right now, there might be 3, there's no way to tell unless we start detecting megastructures of artificial origin. Or if somebody shows up to say hi, but I'm doubtful that'll ever happen.
>>539129957Religious + utterly deranged.Seems to be a common combination kek.
>>539127892There could be incredibly intelligent life but without the capacity to build tools it's somewhat meaningless. So having some sort of functional appendage is also necessary to produce technology. That said even if you had only humans, but gave them 100k year head start and their version of Abraham Lincoln didnt get shot and went through with eliminating their version of alien negro from the planet in the early industrial age they would probably not even need a head start.
>>539129994>youre jewish, and thats bad. unlike me, who reads and constructs my life around the insane ramblings of ancient jews, and also, i worship their god. im totally not jewish though, its you ackshually. hah i got you now, stupid chud jesus fuckin christmas anon, get it together.
>>539128819And yet I am not and whatever my girlfriend thinks is for her to say, not me.Hence why I speak personally.
>>539124217>Why can't life form in a global ocean world?I mean life maybe could maybe form in those. But they will never be able to have advanced civilization.
>>539128414Kek
>>539129636Based commander keen poster.All this thread has shown is that no one knows for certain if we're alone or not, nor if we'll ever find out.In order to get answers we're going to have to stop speculating and bickering pointlessly and fruitlessly with one another, and actually go fucking investigate.Our satellites and telescopes are still predicated on our limited knowledge.Our religions are also predicated on limited knowledge.Our "AI" is built as well on limited derivative knowledge.Thus our conclusions are derivative and limited, thus not representative of what's actually out there. It's all guessing and even an educated guess is still a guess.Stop bitching like little faggots for once and pool energy into actually figuring out ways to get off this rock. I don't care if you think there's a firmament, an atmosphere, etc. none of the distinctions in nomenclature changes the reality we have to actually invade that space outside our own to truly know.Right now our efforts have been so minimal and limited that we might as well have not made any at all.I'm biased as I've been blessed to see things up close that are unbelievable, yet I still keep a grounded head knowing that others won't believe till they get a chance to see those things too and that won't happen unless humanity quits its waste-of-energy squabbling and properly seeks the stars.If that means we have to snuff out the current academic tenures that greedily consume all the grant money for incessantly derivative math theories, then so be it. But something has to be done to create a sense of desire to seek and explore back into man.Put mankind's destiny back into the hands of everyone, not just a few greedy hogs at the top who are clearly trying their hardest to keep us trapped here (if you haven't realized this yet, you're not paying enough attention, wake up.)In essence stop being dopefish. Do more than swim swim eat, niggers.
>>539130067Why do they always start fights with their superiors that they cannot win? I don't have a problem with low iq people as long as they are kind and gentle.
>>539122833>we really are most likely alone in the universewe are not but might as well be because of the HUGE distances involved.
>>539122833You forgot> nowThe unisverse is >14 billion years old and when did earth become habitable? Like 1 billion years ago maybe? Result is at least 14 earthlike civilizations....
>>539130933religion retards have to attack you and shame you and play games with you in order to try to trick you to join their religion.then you pay church tax, give donations to the church, do free work, let a priest rape your kids asshole and they make a lot of profit. its kinda a pyramid scheme so they always have to recruit more suckers.
>>539122833Isnt all the things you listed just requirements for life as we know it? I think there is alot we dont know. Hopefully there is a plannet full of petite, thin, bigbooty asian women who are addicted to being analized
>>539130831I don't think humanity will ever "colonize" any part of space, and that includes the Moon. First, we desperately need to learn to cherish our planet. There is no Planet B. This world is perfect for us, like an amazing mother. Treat disrespecting, polluting it like someone who slaps your mother.
>>539122833BELIEVE SCIENCE ;DHahahaU one of the retards that thinks humans been to space and walk on the moon
>>539122833>I don't see basically almost any world in the universe to hit all of those boxes so we might just truly be alone.There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on all the world's beaches. Each star has, on average, around three planets. You're trying to make an intuitive argument based on a scope beyond the faculty.
>>539131212also dont forget humans have only investigated/observed 0.000000001% of space.
>>539131111As i said, no problem with them if they stay in their lane. Most humans do have a deep need for some sort of supernatural belief system to feel whole, and only eugenics may get rid of this.
Aliens dont gave to be inside our space, they could be so big that our observable universe is a size of their single hair.
I solved the Red-Dwarf Question. A Moon orbiting an Ice Giant in the Habitable Zone around a Red-Dwarf can have a day/night cycle on the side facing away from the Ice Giant.
>>539131212>>539131248moreover, that we even exist at all is evidence that life really is possible, if not likely. getting rid of the preconceived notion of our own supposed rarity is essential to giving the rest of the universe a fair shake. our planet has gone fully extinct a number of times and yet we crawl back out of the slime every single time. theres no reason to think its impossible elsewhere when we have direct evidence that it happens (us).
>>539131291if they stay in their lane and dont bother you then nobody will sign up for the shit deal they offer so they have to get aggressive and lie to you, attack you, scare you and play with all the emotions you have to get you to join their cult.it also makes them angry that you dont believe their dumb shit.yesterday I talked to the bulgarian christcuck shill and he was promoting circumcision but refused to answer if hes mutilated himself.so you see they even promote self mutilation but dont even practice it themselves.christcucks and other religions are basically the reasons why humans cant leave this earth to investigate further, all religions, not just christcucks know the answers out their prove their beliefs wrong.so they gotta keep you dumb and scammed so you can be a good lil paypiggi.
>>539122833>I don't see basically almost any world in the universe to hit all of those boxes so we might just truly be alone. You don't see very many worlds in the universe period. We don't know jack shit about the majority of exoplanets out there, hell we haven't even mapped more than a handful of solar systems outside our own. At this point we just don't know.
>>539122833It wasn't a "graze">The Moon is mostly made of Earth's crust>LLVPs suggest Theia's core is beneath your feet right nowConsider the best way to terraform Mars:>Dyson Swarm to alter Mercury's orbit so it crashes straight into Mars
>>539125232Where does the idea that space is fake actually come from?
>>539131482I dont subscribe to the idea that earth is billions of years old, I think its a lot younger than is claimed. like in the 1 million range.also you should look at life from the view of non equilibrium thermodynamics.basically matter organizes itself into more complexity to dissipate away energy more efficiently.life is a dissipative structure but so is everything else like stars or storm.
