>>539124502Fine, but the only relevant debate is how soon to remigrate 100% of all non-whites and jews from all western nations.
It’s a pretrumpian idea of hiding your power level.
>>539124704burn themthere's no other option anon
I don't like this gay spic, but the confederacy was totally kiked. Even the design on the battleflag was chosen to not look too much like a cross, so jews wouldn't be offended.Meanwhile, you had Grant's General Order 11, expelling kikes from northern territories, and Lincoln assassinated by the jew John Wilkes Booth - confirmed by his family.
>>539124502>be kidnapped from your country>taken to other country and forced to work>get freed from kidnappers>never go back home and demand kidnappers pay you to live in the kidnapper’s countryWhy are niggers so retarded?
they tend to see it as a regional pride thing/"the north keeping us down" and ignore what the "states rights" debate was actually concerning
>>539124502Because lincohen took over a year to free the slaves in this supposed war about slavery. Really makes you think if you have greater than a single digit IQ.
>>539124502>uhh yeah it wasthis is literally all that jewish shillnigger ever says
>>539124950Whats that? The group that wanted to enslave the poor and disenfranchised where kikes? Color me surprised
>>539124502Because that’s a gross oversimplification and social-shaming from retards is not a substitute for truth
>>539124820This. Yeah it was over slavery, so what? Bring it back, it was the only time niggers ever worked.
>>539125046The war wasn't about slavery for Lincoln. It was about saving the Union. It was about slavery for the Confederacy, and why they seceded.
>>539125001The tariff of abominations nearly kicked off the civil war thirty years earlier and had a tangential relationship to slavery at best. You would know this if you weren’t a spic mutt mystery meat who went to a daycare instead of high school
>>539124502Nick is a Fed and a Faggot, why would we let the little Jewish sucking faggot poison the well and shift the frame ti the Jewish side?Nick is gay but not as gay as thise that post him like it’s an own
>>539124502Because its wrong.If someone outlawed Amazon having free workers, would you fight a war for them to be able to keep the free workers?Same thing here, to assume a bunch of poor southern boys, many didnt have shoes when they joined the confederate army, to go fight for rich plantation owners.The stupidity or brainwashing is amazing
>>539125120In this case he's 100% correct.Obviously he's not a rocket surgeon but you don't have to be Sergei Eisenstein to know that it was slavery.
>>539125252In that case the civil war was about preserving the union. Its lincoln that invaded the south starting the war.
Nick is a retarded faggotNeither side actually cared about slaves. It was about States Rights vs The Feds. And ZOG won.Blacks fought on both sides.
>>539125334no it wasn't.oh look i'm on the same intellectual level as the mexikike ooohhh~
>>539125425Well, except for the "being factually correct" part.The election of Abraham Lincoln was the #1 reason South Carolina seceded from the union.The whole platform of the Republican party was anti-slavery. It was literally founded in response to the Kansas-Nebraska act.
>>539125412IT WAS ABOUT FARM EQUIPMENT COSTS FOR SOUTHERN AGRIBUSINESS
>>539124502Nick is always rightThe North wanted to end slavery and SEND THE THEM BACKthat's literally why Irish fought for the north. they wanted to be the new white niggers
>>539125616So its a states rights issue as anon said and the spic is a retard?
>>539125697If only the north had won!
>>539125387Both can be true at the same time.
>>539125412Lincoln was elected on a promose to end the expansion of slavery. If he re-nigged on that his entire party would have revolted.
>>539124502It wasn't though, it was a trade war that turned hot when the south just wanted out of the union.
>>539125772No not really. Heres a fun redpill. Look up when the slaves were freed in the north.
>>539125736kek btfoing faggot groypers
As a southerner, yes it was absolutely about the preservation of slavery. You can argue it was about States rights, but that only came up because the southern states saw the writing on the wall and seceded from the union prior to the number of free states outnumbering slave states.
>>539125697>Nick is always rightExcept for the decade of MIGA plan-trusting?
>>539124502They've been brainwashed into thinking slavery is le bad
The north was just spreading democracy and American values.
>>539125894Yes really. Let's say some nigger wants to rape my wife. His motivation is white pussy, mine is protecting my loved one.
>>539125927The states rights argument is funny because it's like...okay, what rights in particular?
>>539124950>Actually these nigger loving cucks were based and here's my cherry picked proof
Slavery was bad for White people. It was a dead weight around the country's neck and unless you were a big time slave owner you had zero economic opportunity because the wealthy people in the South didn't have to pay for labor
>>539125927We aren't talking about south asians, jeet
>>539125120Slavery was the catalyst. The founding fathers themselves knew slavery would eventually cause the country to be torn apart but couldn't figure out a way to cleanly solve the problem
>>539125786No he wasn't. He expressed interest that he doesn't care and even said so in a letter.
>>539126005Your motivation in all things is clearly thinking about bbc. The north freed its own slaves after the civil war by the way. Lincoln the great emancipator was dead by the time the slaves he had actual legal authority over were freed from bondage. Imagine ever thinking the jewish narrative of history is the true version of events.
>>539124502the North was also majorly power hungry and wanted to be thought of as the 'real' united states. The South was undermining that with it's cotton production.
>>539124502Imagine trying to break up the US, so niggers could do all the worklost, and all they got is niggers beating the shit out of them for no reason, forever.peck high iq masterrace
It was a bunch of idiots risking their life so that a plantation owner could keep his wealth. No different than today's idiots fighting for corporate america
>>539126053Slavery was bad for independent agriculture. It created a system of powerful monopolies like we have today, except the slaves now wear business casual and sit in front of a computer.
>>539126029>doesn't know what states rights vs feds meansYou are retarded or a egliniggerLincoln wrote in a letter that he doesn't care about slavery
>>539125700States rights to own slaves as stated by Alexander Stephens in his own speech on Georgia's seccession.>>539126047All but a few Republicans as well as all Northern Democrats wanted to send the blacks back to Africa (Haiti was acceptable too). If not for that cuck Andrew Johnson, it would have been done.
>>539124502No clue why these retards talk like the ratio of slaves to White people was 1:1 it was reserved for the rich who could afford ships and plantations, then again jews love transposing the sin of the father shit and crying about things that happened when on one was alive so what do i care.
>>539124502It was fought because Unionkikes wanted to tax niggers like the rest of the "free people" since they could only collect sales tax from the slave trade, Southernkikes didn't want Unionkikes muscling in on their money making hustle. The civil war was fought over wealth and taxation not slavery, the driver of the war was about fighting over wealth, slavery was just the vehicle blamed for the accident.
>>539124962What home country? Nigs were mainly sold to the west by other Nigs who conquered the tribe and sold it into slavery. The people of their ancestors are other nigs spread throughout the Americas, as the tribe was sold away and there's no home to go back to, unless you are talking about the countries inhabited by the people that conquered and sold them into slavery.
>>539124950both sides were kiked you colossal retardamerica only exists because of the jews
>>539126294Lincoln was a corporate lawyer. His true passion was the tarriff and handing out government contracts to corporations. The whole slavery stuff was a side issue for him. He was considered pretty moderate on emancipation among the gop leadership. Less radical than most.
>>539124502Because it would be utterly demoralizing and cripple a major aspect of their identity and psyche. Imagine betraying your country and the beliefs of the founders because you thought some lanky motherfucker from Kentucky was going to take away your cotton and mullato production equipment? Imagine throwing a thermonuclear tantrum after failing to get one concession out of the fucking dozens you have gotten over the decades. Imagine bitching about people not acknowledging the rights of individual states when you force them to hunt down you escaped niggers that happen to wander into their territory and use the federal government to enforce it.
>>539124502General Ulysses S. Grant tried to kick out jews
>>539125260Only South Carolina ever truly threatened to secede over the tariff. And tariffs had nothing to do with the actual secession/Civil War.>>539125274That's literally what happened though. And most thought it was their patriotic duty, even if it was retarded. Millions of people do the same thing by voting for people like Trump or joining any of the post-WW2 wars.
>>539126450You are genuinely retarded if you actually believe that bullshit.
>>539124502fun fact the word "slave" shows up 84 times in the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States
>>539125387>In that case the civil war was about preserving the unionExclusively for the North. Preserving the Union wasn't what motivated the South, hence their secession.>Its lincoln that invaded the south starting the warNo, it's the South seceding and illegally attacking/stealing federal property.
>>539126601Oy vey! Shut it down!
>>539124962>Avoid people who sold you into slavery to begin with >enjoy first world living standards>Endless gibs and dei hiring as promise not to burn down citiesThat's pretty smart ino
>>539126349Yes a right that had been there since the beginning of the republic. Thats like when you troons today try to take away free speech and gun rights because progress demands it. Secession is not a war tho. The south did t invade the north to spread slavery. They left the union and the north raised up an army of millions to invade the south. The fact yankees today claim they died for niggers is hilarious. Shows just how brainwashed they are.
>>539125412The South cared enough to secede and go to war against their country to keep them here.>And ZOG won.Judah Benjamin was literally running the CSA government kek.
>>539126453>The whole slavery stuff was a side issue for himThisAround 1% of people owned slaves. The "free da slaves" movement was for the uneducated normies that didn't understand politics.All the politicians were fighting for a bigger cause.
the issue was slavery but war was over states seceding right?
>>539125700>states rights"states rights" to what?
Apu knew https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SFwHQYDqf6c
>>539126691They didn't secede for the slaves, dumb niggerIt was about States Rights
300k americucks died to save niggers from slavery AHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
>>539126637The north started the war anon. The souths motivations were ti maintain the rights they had always enjoyed that were now suddenly and for no particularly good reason under threat because the north had imported millions of shitlib voters from as Benjamin Franklin called them, swarthy countries.
>>539126777States Rights that states can control their local government and that The Feds can't tell the states what to do, dumb nigger kike
>>539124502Because slavery is immoral (it is) and even though the Civil Was was not solely about the issue of slavery, the fact that the South went all in on owning other human beings makes it hard to justify the Southern cause (and they had legitimate grievances). So if you can minimize slavery and convince yourself and others that slavery was just one issue among many the South was fighting the North over, it becomes easier to justify the Southern cause as a whole. You can say "sure we were wrong about slavery, but it was about much more than that!" and continue to justify the South's actions.
>>539124502If that's the case, why did Lincoln only proclaim slaves freed two years into the civil war? It was just a way to introduce instability into the Confederacy when it looked like the Union couldn't easily win.
>>539126640Yep. Slaveowners were heavily jewish. America imported and bred bunch of homo erectus to work on jewish plantations. That image directly conflicts with your prior argument and supports the mainline position that the civil war was about slavery. You aren't very good at this, are you?
>>539126640Check the date on that pic dumbass
>>539124502>Why Do Southerners Still Refuse to Admit the Civil War Was Over Slavery?Why do yankees refuse to admit that the slave owners were Jewish?
>>539124502Northerners think we fought WW2 to free the jews
>>539124962Kidnapped? What? Nigger they were sold by other nogs into slavery.
>>539124502It wasn't.It was the bankers in the north squeezing them for all they had and the north was broke and the south was rich so the north took what the south had in an illegal civil war.
>>539125927>>539126029>>539126123Slavery was obviously at the core but not for the infantile "we just want to keep owning people who work for us for free forever" rationale that it is characterized as. Tarriffs and other policies pushed by the North were designed to subjugation Southern states and the Northern states wanted to keep southern states as raw resource producers they could suppress to keep prices for the inputs of their factories artificially low so all of the proceeds of the entire economic process would go to their own pockets with little to none going to the more agrarian South. Slave populations and the 3/5 compromise (as well as the continued expansion of slavery westward) were the only ways the interests of the southern states and people with economic interests in those states would ever be able to fight policies designed to steal from them.Repatriation would break the economy of the South and destroy political representation. Liberation without repatriation had obvious problems evident from everything we have seen historically since this actually happened after the Civil War, and the consequences were known at the time.There was no "win" scenario for the South in the absence of war, without even accounting for the financial interests of slaveholders, especially those who bought slaves on credit and could afford to buy political support.
>>539126905>reads the minor text and skips everything else>>539126908>no pointthis thread is so fucking kiked lmao
>>539126901Its hard to look at modern society and not belive slavery and segregation were better.
>>539124502Lincoln was killed over greenbacks
>>539125252Slavery was legal federally so it physically could not have been a motive to secede
>>539127038I read what you had on your pics. You are a drooling imbecil. You don't get to make up a retarded fanfic and make it suddenly become true just because you assigned kikes as the ones behind it.
>>539126349>States rights to own slavesSlavery was legal federally, try again
>>539127038You must be really brown if you see a pic from the 20th century and think it has any relation to the pre civil war economy.
>>539126123Castrating the slaves like the rest of the world did would have been a a good start.
>>539127121>>539127130>still no pointkeep spamming insults trying to shill in saying that it wasn't a jewish takeover, you'll definitely convince me
>>539127024True, nobody with actual power was on a moral crusade. It was more like the North was pissed because the Southern economy was a liability. If some other country came along and undercut global cotton prices the Southern oligarchs would be cooked because their capital was heavily illiquid stored as slaves. You can't just sell slaves to build factories if nobody needs slaves anymore because crops are no longer profitable
>>539127067I fully support segregation and ultimately remigration. It is clear the descendants of slaves, as a whole, can not function in a developed country. It is also still heinous and immoral to own and exploit other human beings for their labor and legally treat them as property, regardless of their race.
POINT AND LAUGH AT AMERICA THREAD >>539127124POINT AND LAUGH AT AMERICA THREAD >>539127124POINT AND LAUGH AT AMERICA THREAD >>539127124
i'm gonna say that the redneck southern guy probably knows 100x more than nick fuentes about the subject and therefore i'm gonna trust the expert
>>539124502I think it comes from when Abe Lincoln said "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so." Now why do you still refuse to admit that Little Nick is a fed plant?
>>539124962They tried to give them Liberia but that didn’t work out. The black man isn’t able to rule himself without descending into corruption and tyranny. See Haiti as another example of an ex-slave country.
>>539127247>It is also still heinous and immoral to own and exploit other human beings for their labor and legally treat them as property, regardless of their race.Also important to keep in mind that only white people believe this, which is why it's so important to keep nons out of our societies.
>reads Dred Scott again
>>539127220Yeah jewish northern industrialists took over. Thats what the war was really about. Look at the stereotypical carpetbagger memes from the 1870s. Its a literal happy merchant.
>>539127220How about you explain how a fanfic about the civil war being a ploy to partition the US between France and Canada was a successful jewish takeover given that the US was not in fact partitioned between France and Canada and no efforts were ever made to make that happen. Or perhaps you should explain why a 20th century pic of jewish cotton producers is evidence of such a ploy.
>>539125274You might fight the war if you believed the free workers were going to supplant your position in the hierarchy of society. Poor southern whites wanted slavery because they didn’t want a bunch of freed blacks to have the same status as themselves in society.
>>539127494>both sides were kikedglad you agree with me>>539127496>b-b-but it wasn't successful!is that seriously your point now?
>>539127696No my point is that its a made up fanfic. You have provided zero evidence whatsoever that it is true.
>>539124502>a million young illiterate southerners marched off and spent 4 years fighting a horrific war against their own countrymen just so a tiny handful of ultra rich assholes they didn't even know could own slaves
>>539125274Then why did they do exactly that?
>>539127739I don't care if you believe it or not. The jews already won before you were even born.You won't do shit, timmy.
>>539127241There was no real prospect of that. The North's problem was that the South was selling cotton to Britain, who were the world's best and most efficient textile manufacturers at the time, and the North's factories couldn't compete on quality or price. With tarrifs and other policies designed to make it hard for the South to export cotton and reduce their ability import cheaper and better goods fdom abroad, Northern factories could get the South's raw resources for pennies on the dollar compared to the open market price British factories paid, using that suppression of input costs to gain a competitive advantage in manufactured goods and line their own pockets in the process.
>>539127696Nope just one side. The north was jewed and still is. Gaypers are the least zog aware of all anon. Ironic isnt it?
>>539127804Oh, so you are just a well poisoning Jeet? Fair enough, I thought you were an /x/-tier retard rather than a shit worshipping well poisoner.
>>539127867Yeah, you're a shilling kike.>>539127902>i'm well-poisoning when you're too stupid to refute it yourselfokay
>>539124502>SPLC thread
>two hours of brown favela monkey music and some nigger mumbling>on top of some epic trump speech sound bites>45 minutes seething about streamer high school woman drama>"anyway don't take a stance on anything, don't endorse anyone publicly or you're brown and always hide your views (but buy the Epstein inspired jacket with my logo on it please)">one more hour reading off the dumbest fucking goyim superchats and failed reddit jokesthis fall off and squandering of potential will be studied
Wasn't it about states rights, to have slaves. I feel like people weaponise that to mean the South were evil and every Southerner was rabidly wanting to enslave blacks, but it was an economic necessity. Their entire economy was dependent on slavery, so all the rich landowners would have been forced to suffer economically, and the confederate states would have been put into a position where they had less purchasing power in the eyes of the union, until they were able to completely restructure their economy. It was pragmatic laziness, rather than malicious morality.
>>539126047Oh so you would have gladly picked the cotton yourself then ok.
>>539127976Your pic is of jewish owed slave ships based out of new york and rhode island almost a century before the confederacy existed. You are an ignorant buffoon. This is why you are so easily manipulated by online grifters.
>>539124502Does that piss your off, yankee? Because it wasn’t about slavery. I bet your jew northern schools have one page in your history books with one word: SLAVERY. It is far more complicated than that. 300K cucks died for the niggers, where we lost 100K+ less defending our country. >you lostDid we really?
>>539127976The descendants of the southerners are the ones saying "we should ally with jews against Muslims"
Unprompted counter-signalling against the confederacy and performative patriotism in defense of the union is the behavior of an obvious enemy to our people. That being said, antebellum plantation owners were the equivalent of modern business owners on the issue of immigration. They exploited racial foreigners in order to enrich themselves at the expense of their fellow countrymen and the region as a whole.
>>539128705We dont have to ally against muslims at all. The mudslime invasion is a european problem. Not a lot of muzzies in the south.
>>539128539Honestly it's impressive how you reflexively refute every single image that I post with such bad logic that doesn't even touch the original point that I've been making.Are the jews hiring Indians to be apart of their cyber security online shill campaigns now?>>539128705The jews created christians and muslims. Christians are those of the goy cattle servant religion and the muslims are the "worst option" religion. By creating the muslims they always stay in power by having the christians fight the muslims and they don't ever have to lift a finger. This has been the case since the crusades all the way to today where America is fighting all of the wars for the jews.
>>539124502BUY A FUCKING AD YOU GLOWNIGGER TWINK SPIC FAGGOT
>>539128570You sound salty
>>539124502same reason Germans can't admit they fought to destroy all Jews, they know damn well it was a humiliatingly stupid thing to fight for so they try to pretend they were really fighting for states rights and lebensraum and shit
>>539124502Democrats also don't admit illegal immigration is about slavery either.
>>539128737You're thinking of the northern industrialists. The reason slavery was a thing at all was because you had an area the size of western europe with a few million white people living in it in a time before labor saving devices were a thing. There literally wasn't enough free labor to go around at any price. It was not a case of the poor masses denied good paying jobs picking cotton in the marshlands infested with yellow fever.
>>539128999checked and we knew all along, they even tried to use the exact same moral arguments they used to defend slavery
>>539128844Whats amazing is that you’re posting ng low effort zero information arguments that have been debunked for 15 years on /pol/. Not a single thing you have posted itt is an original thought.
>>539129181>they're already debunked>can't debunk a single onelol okay shill
>>539124502They know it was and they support slavery themselves, but they also know they can't publicly state that because it makes them seem evil even compared to other racists so they have to lie and obfuscate things to seem less disgusting
>>539129221Ive debunked every one of your arguments and thats why you're seething.
>>539125252The cause of the war was disunion, and the cause of disunion was slavery.
>>539129253Do you think anyone considers slavery evil on 4chan?
>>539128810You already cant deal with a muzzrat sect in Iran nigger, how will you deal with the largest muzzrat sect after it takes over all of europe. Retarded ptg faggot.
>>539129269I can't even tell which replies are you because your proxies are rotating too frequently, retard
>>539128990Fighting to destroy mankind’s parasite is the most important thing that anyone has ever attempted. We are in hell because it failed.
>>539129342No, but that is the general pro-confederate argument in the history and real life in general, it's about making the confederates seem like they fought for literally anything else so they can be more heroic. Even here people would've preferred they fight for the northern idea of deporting Blacks back to Africa rather than keep them around.
>>539129387Nigger all the iranians in america support the war and hate iran.
>>539126898Right, but they didn't secede because of states' rights to (for example) regulate liquor sales or anything like that. They seceded explicitly because an anti-slavery president had been elected. Don't take my word for it. Read their declaration of secession.picrel.
>>539124502I doubt most White people who lived in the south wanted slavery. Imagine not owning any slaves but having to live around them. They probably wanted to send them all back to africa.
>>539129476All you have is cope because your bot spam narrative in defense of the zog version of history is so weak.
>>539125856There was no trade war. And the South wanted out of the Union to continue and expand slavery.
>>539129478>calling mankind's most productive "parasites"heinlein was right
>>539127397Haiti was made poor by the French you retard
>>539129647there is more nuance to it than that, the Georgia secession statement is the best to understand it:>The material prosperity of the North was greatly dependent on the Federal Government; that of the South not at all. In the first years of the Republic the navigating, commercial, and manufacturing interests of the North began to seek profit and aggrandizement at the expense of the agricultural interests. Even the owners of fishing smacks sought and obtained bounties for pursuing their own business (which yet continue), and $500,000 is now paid them annually out of the Treasury. The navigating interests begged for protection against foreign shipbuilders and against competition in the coasting trade.>Congress granted both requests, and by prohibitory acts gave an absolute monopoly of this business to each of their interests, which they enjoy without diminution to this day. Not content with these great and unjust advantages, they have sought to throw the legitimate burden of their business as much as possible upon the public; they have succeeded in throwing the cost of light-houses, buoys, and the maintenance of their seamen upon the Treasury, and the Government now pays above $2,000,000 annually for the support of these objects. Theses interests, in connection with the commercial and manufacturing classes, have also succeeded, by means of subventions to mail steamers and the reduction in postage, in relieving their business from the payment of about $7,000,000 annually, throwing it upon the public Treasury under the name of postal deficiency.con't
>>539129772con't>The manufacturing interests entered into the same struggle early, and has clamored steadily for Government bounties and special favors. This interest was confined mainly to the Eastern and Middle non-slave-holding States. Wielding these great States it held great power and influence, and its demands were in full proportion to its power. The manufacturers and miners wisely based their demands upon special facts and reasons rather than upon general principles, and thereby mollified much of the opposition of the opposing interest. They pleaded in their favor the infancy of their business in this country, the scarcity of labor and capital, the hostile legislation of other countries toward them, the great necessity of their fabrics in the time of war, and the necessity of high duties to pay the debt incurred in our war for independence. These reasons prevailed, and they received for many years enormous bounties by the general acquiescence of the whole country.>But when these reasons ceased they were no less clamorous for Government protection, but their clamors were less heeded-- the country had put the principle of protection upon trial and condemned it. After having enjoyed protection to the extent of from 15 to 200 per cent. upon their entire business for above thirty years, the act of 1846 was passed. It avoided sudden change, but the principle was settled, and free trade, low duties, and economy in public expenditures was the verdict of the American people. The South and the Northwestern States sustained this policy. There was but small hope of its reversal; upon the direct issue, none at all.
>>539124502Doesn't matter. America lost to Britain and they lost to Germany.
>>539124502It wasn't. It was a states rights issue. Period. Slaves weren't emancipated in the north until after the civil war.
If you think a 4 year war was about one singular thing you are a low IQ retard. Life doesn’t work that way. Slavery was tied into the economics in the South but Northern industrialists had little use for slaves in Northern economy. They could have worked something out between them but wars are necessary anyways to purge male overpopulation, and it was a good way for the North to gain complete dominance over the South. Nobody wanted to preserve the Union or help Southern states to be prosperous without slavery. The North just wanted the South to be subservient and not a threat. The left has a funny narrative that white people can’t like any group of white people that have historically lost wars when the left revolves around fanatical worship of groups of people that lost wars like Native Americans.
>>539129805con't>All these classes saw this and felt it and cast about for new allies. The anti-slavery sentiment of the North offered the best chance for success. An anti-slavery party must necessarily look to the North alone for support, but a united North was now strong enough to control the Government in all of its departments, and a sectional party was therefore determined upon. Time and issues upon slavery were necessary to its completion and final triumph. The feeling of anti-slavery, which it was well known was very general among the people of the North, had been long dormant or passive; it needed only a question to arouse it into aggressive activity. This question was before us. We had acquired a large territory by successful war with Mexico; Congress had to govern it; how, in relation to slavery, was the question then demanding solution. This state of facts gave form and shape to the anti-slavery sentiment throughout the North and the conflict began. tl;dr - big northern business interests shifted their costs onto the people via the fedgov, that was about to stop, so they latched onto and inflamed the abolitionist movement to attack those who were opposed to it. This kind of thing has played out over and over again in our country's history, politically connected big business fucking everyone else. We see it now with the data center bullshit.
>>539129287The cause of disunion was anti-slavery.
>>539129669>blaming the kikes is now zog meanwhile saying they had no involvement isn'tkek
>>539129508Because objectively they were heroic as are most people defending their homeland from invading foreign conquers. The idea that slavery was some holocaust level great evil is an invention of the 1960s and totally ignored that every single slave in america was imported on a slave ship flying the starts and stripes long before the confederacy existed and on the very day the confederacy ceased to exist millions of slaves still lived in bondage in northern states. Its fake moral outrage designed to manipulate emotional women and those who lack historical context.
>>539127397why are racists so retarded? like they believe the most simplistic lies on purpose, covering up extreme exploitation and even genocide to uphold their beliefs in superiority. why? quick fact-sheet on the real reasons for Haiti's condition:>The Independence Debt: In 1825, France forced Haiti to pay 150 million francs (reduced to 90 million in 1838) in exchange for diplomatic recognition. Haiti paid approximately 112 million francs total over 122 years, with the final payments not concluding until 1947. This debt consumed up to 70% of Haiti’s national revenue, preventing investment in infrastructure, education, and health. >Economic Stagnation: The debt forced Haiti to take high-interest loans from French and American banks, creating a "double debt" burden. Historians estimate that without this expropriation, Haiti’s modern economy could have been $21 billion to $115 billion larger. >International Isolation: Following independence, Haiti faced an international trade embargo and diplomatic isolation from European powers and the United States, which feared slave revolts would spread. This limited Haiti’s economic growth and access to global markets.>Subsequent Exploitation: The United States occupied Haiti from 1915 to 1934, taking control of the national bank and debt payments to secure American financial interests. Later, the corrupt Duvalier dynasty (1957–1986) further enriched itself and accumulated massive debts. >Natural Disasters and Instability: Recurrent earthquakes (notably the 2010 disaster), hurricanes, gang violence, and political instability have severely hindered recovery and development in recent decades.
>>539129970You haven't blamed jews at all. You are perpetuating jewish history.
>>539129938>The cause of disunion was anti-slavery.fine fair enough. I meant the slavery issue in general, which was actually more about the expansion of it into the new mexican cession than anything else. Since importation of new slaves had long been banned, slavery had become a kind of ponzi that made more money from the trade itself than using the slaves to do work.
>>539125412u are retarded and homosexual
>>539128383> about states rights, to have slavesIt absolutely was.This is where I don't know if people are genuinely retarded or not. It was about states' rights (including their individual decision on slavery). It's not a 'gotcha.' Let every state decide how they run: everything from slavery to abortion to banking and education systems. Watch how these decisions effect each state and adjust toward the best society.
>>539125252>It was about the unionof money in my pocket
>>539129772>>539129805>let me just cherry pick the parts that don't mention slavery that oftenWhat fascinates me is modern southerners' dedication to this fantasy in spite of abundant contrary evidence. The confederate leaders were not timid about saying "we are doing this because of slavery"
>>539130045Great example of embarrassing pro-confederate argument that even on a racist pro-slavery and murder website like 4chan still feels the need to make the confederates into nice guys who didn't do nothing bad and imply that maybe even were actually nicer to slaves than them mean ole' northerners.
>>539124502Remember when northcucks literally died for their right to suck BBC?Holy based! Worshipping niggers is chad
>>539130205I guess it comes down to are you a delusional christian that will kill other christians over slavery when your government has done everything in its power to cause a conflict and not resolve tensions
>>539130205omg you can highlight the word slave, stunning and brave! I said more nuance, not that it had nothing to do with slavery and here I explicitly say slavery caused disunion -- >>539129287The Georgia declaration is worth reading regardless because it illustrates an ongoing issue in this country, the NY-DC (and now silicon valley) axis of shifting costs onto the rest of the country for private gain. Something present since the beginning from the Hamiltonian yankee faction
>>539130355also of that faction's use of astroturfed political movements to advance their agenda. Just where did BLM get all its money btw?
>>539126682Seceding isn't inherently a war, hence why neither Buchanan or Lincoln did anything to the South. Attacking and seizing federal property is though, and you're no different than a jew crying out in pain as they strike you when you pretend Lincoln responding to aggression is starting the war.
>>539130537lol the entire sumter "first strike" thing is a myth. reminds me of how they started the mexican american war
>>539126766In short, the bulk of the South seceded from the nation after Lincoln's election because they feared he would end or at least restrict slavery's expansion. They then started the Civil War by attacking and seizing federal property. Lincoln fought the war to put down the rebellion and restore the Union, while the South was fighting to continue slavery. When Lincoln realized the South weren't interested in good faith negotiation and he had the upper hand, he decided to abolish slavery.
>>539124502Because we dont constantly think about BBC like you yankees do
>>539124502What was it all about?Do you still believe the cover story?The Freemasons saw that the Southern plantation owners were getting too rich, and that was too much of a threat to them!Remember that all wars are bankers' wars!!!
>>539126803"States Rights" to own slaves, yes.>>539126881Responding to insurrectionists attacking and seizing government property is not starting a war. Attacking and seizing government property while declaring yourself a separate nation is.>maintain the rights they had always enjoyed that were now suddenly and for no particularly good reason under threatJust say slavery.
>>539126898In the context that they viewed slavery as under threat by Lincoln, yes. Stop being a pussy.
>>539126904Because while the South seceded and fought the war over slavery, Lincoln did not.>>539127019>It was the bankers in the north squeezing them for all they hadThis isn't true whatsoever. There was no national bank. The South's economy was completely controlled by the planer elite and their own financial institutions.>in an illegal civil war.The South started it.
>>539126382Yea, that country. Its true, Africans are not equipped to belong to a country. A tribe is their natural state. But they have countries, so they can go back with their people. Neither one were alive when the slavery happened.
>>539130782what if republicans are super corrupt
>>539124502It was about slavery.That doesn't change the fact that the states which tried to secede were completely within their rights to do so.
>>539124502Southerners are the niggers of White peoples
>>539130252>muh slave ownersFirst of all like 10% of whites owned slaves.Secondly, there was the type of slavery you mindraped faggots know about- chattel slavery. This is the large plantation owners, wealthy jews with hundreds of slaves that they beat and treated harshly.Then there was the other type of slavery. Smaller scale, 10 slaves or less. The master worked along side them.
>>539124502Because it wasn't about slavery. They were fighting over things that the supreme court votes for. Fundamnetal things that they saw aligned with the founders and the consitution. They believed, as well as myself, that they were fighting a 2nd American revolution. We see the union as the british. Basically they are tyrants. To this day this country has no conservative party. You don't understand this concept, but the south was actually conservative. They were conserving the right of the states and fighting a strong federal government. You have been propagandized to hate the south because they fear another war where states rise up and fight for their rights. This shit goes both ways. If you are a liberal, do you want ICE to march through your streets? Well the south wouldn't stand for a federal force terrorizing it's streets. These are true conservative stances.
>>539124962Read up on Marcus Garvey. Black man who led the Back to Africa movement and was prevented from taking blacks back to Africa.
>>539127024>Tarriffs and other policies pushed by the North were designed to subjugation Southern statesFor somebody who sympathizes with Lost Cause mythology, you aren't retarded, but this isn't true. Tariffs before secession were at historic lows and the purpose of them was never envisaged to be punitive against the South. Washington, Madison, Clay, Jackson and Lincoln himself were all Southerners who supported tariffs for industrial purposes.
>>539127095The South believed Lincoln would end it, hence them saying the institution was under threat in all of their declarations of secession.
>>539131252>The South believed Lincoln would end ityou're talking out your ass
>>539130956of course they werethey were not within their rights to launch attacks on places that seceded from the Confederacy, like Fort Sumter
>>539127382Please read the thread. It wasn't about slavery for Lincoln/the North. It was about slavery for the South who now pretends it wasn't.>>539127797Yes. It's ironically a slave mentality. They also did the same in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and probably eventually will in Iran.
>>539129742nope, it was made poor by the freed slaves killing and eating and burning everything they could
>>539124502why does everyone refuse to actually read text and speeches from the time that proves otherwise?Lincoln literally said he'd keep slavery if it meant keeping the union together. it wasn't over that. it was over economics and power massing up north. the south felt like they had very little representation over government and would become vassal states to the north.the attack on Fort Sumter had a single casualty, which was actually an accident over prisoner exchange. no combat deaths. we didn't have to go to war over that. Lincoln wanted to.slavery was also in practice longer in the north than it was in the south afterwards. the entire thing is bullshit and written so it makes blacks the eternal victims like the jews and the holocaust.
>>539131475fluffy sounding words like "the union" don't actually mean anything. Did you know the civil war was technically a deprivation of property which is a violation of natural rights?
>>539128383Nobody forced the South to base their entire economy on an evil institution, but regardless, it was under no serious threat from Lincoln before they started the war.>>539128570It's the other way around. Every Union soldier died trying to preserve his nation, every Confederate soldier died trying and failing to preserve slavery for the planter class elite who looked down on them.
>>539131586>why does everyone refuse to actually read my handful of selectively picked out-of-context quotes?why should we?
>>539131586Don't forget that when the north gave all the blacks citizenship they actually gave the south a lot of bonus representation, that's why they were so concerned about using blacks to support carpetbaggers during reconstruction, while also banning confederate soldiers from voting. It really was a ridiculous event in its entirety
>>539128331>this fall off and squandering of potential will be studiedHe had to or else Mossad would give him the Epstein treatment. He didn't want to be found hanging from the neck while wearing buttplug and girl's panties.
>>539129845>The North just wanted the South to be subservient and not a threat.This just isn't true. Lincoln was a Southerner and tried actively negotiating with the South to rejoin the Union. He didn't even want to end slavery before the war started. It's not his fault they were belligerent, treasonous warmongers obsessed with owning people.
>>539124502It was about states rightsParticularly one right in specific
>>539124502It's a strange thing to deny, especially considering the fact that only a minority (wealthy men) owned slaves. Commoner southerners shouldn't be trying to make excuses for rich men who sent them off to die just so they could have slaves work the fields instead of paying a white man an honest wage to do the job.
>>539128990Half the men fighting in the wehrmacht I bet had no vote for Hitler because they were too young to have even voted
>>539130045>Because objectively they were heroic as are most people defending their homeland from invading foreign conquersNo they weren't. They were insurrectionists fighting against their country for the exclusive benefit of the planter class elite. People like Judah Benjamin. Obviously not everyone had a choice, and as Americans, we shouldn't be needlessly cruel to their memory, but they were not heroic.
>>539124502>Why Do Southerners Still Refuse to Admit the Civil War Was Over Slavery?Secession was over slavery. The rich slave owners were the ones who pushed for it.Lincoln killing 650,000 people was to maintain the control of the federal government over people that didn't want to obey him. Lincoln said he'd allow the South to keep slavery if they submitted to his authority, he only ended slavery at the point that it was obvious the South wasn't going to come back willingly.So no the war wasn't over slavery. The war was over the federal government killing people to keep them from leaving while it tyrannically took away their rights and forcibly conscripted them into a war they didn't want to fight.
Lincoln should've let Grant burn southeners shitholes to the ground like he wanted, set him loose.
>>539130600No it isn't. And Fort Sumter wasn't the only federal property they attacked and illegally seized. >>539130677>brings up black dick out of nowhere>projects his insecurities on me
>>539125425>no it wasn't.>they literally told you it was about owning slaveshttps://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
>>539130953Do you mean historically? Now? Both? Obviously modern Republicans are very corrupt. Lincoln was one of the least corrupt presidents ever, especially coming after Buchanan, but Grant was arguably the most corrupt until Trump.
>>539132273>secretary of war tells southern forts to stand down >tells the dipshit to get out of sumter>nuh uh im staying in here until lincoln >oh you little shit
>>539124502If it was over slavery, don't you think Lincoln would have freed ALL the slaves with the emancipation proclamation rather than JUST THE SOUTHERN ones.
>>539131994The south didn't start the war, Lincoln did and the south purposefully never invaded the north even when the Union army fucked up and left them an opportunity to take Washington DC. The Federal government started the war. That's why its an issue. Yankees pretend that they were noble heroes fighting to protect the poor blacks when in reality they were tyrants killing people who didn't want to submit to the federal government. And that's what the war is really about. The federal government has a right to kill you, your family, your friends and your neighbors in huge numbers if you don't want to be a part of it any more. It has a right to take away your rights and force you to fight your neighbors if they don't want to pay taxes any more. That's what Yankees fought for, that's the cause they pretend is noble.
>>539127382him throwing up the 1 is clearly CIA shit This post is straight up CIA shit and everyone knows it now HAHAHAHAHAHAHkeep throwing up them 1's bud! LMFAO
>>539125252>>539129287Texas left over lack of border enforcement and keep Texas white
Probably because Lincoln directly stated it wasn't about slavery
>>539131669there's more information supporting that, letters back and forth from pivotal people to Congress, etc. they all centered around states rights and representation in a federal government. slavery was really ancillary to most of it.it would be like claiming abortion is the biggest issue of the time just because Roe v Wade is all anyone screeches about.>>539131763not only that, the Three Fifths (3/5) compromise was because the Northern states wanted ZERO voting rights from slaves, where the south wanted them counted. you could argue it's gaming the system and that's where the compromise came from, but the human aspect remains.also the north wanted to tax the south based on wealth (property) and slaves were considered property by them, and thus be taxed as such. this entire "moral high ground" by the north is a farce and only written that way because they unfortunately won.i would argue that illegals voting (and yes they do, especially in places like California) are the modern version of this same issue. if illegals were not counted for congressional districts, it would upend the entire democrat party.
>>539131195>They were conserving the right of the states and fighting a strong federal government.This just isn't true. Every constitutional abuse neo-Confederates use to attack Lincoln was done by Davis, including mass income taxation, suspension of habeas corpus, forced conscription, etc. The difference is Lincoln was doing it to save his nation, while Davis did it to destroy it.
>>539125210It really isntIt was the entire economic backbone of an area that retarded innovation to keep the economy goingYou’re a faggot
>>539132521this. there were zero combat deaths in the attack on fort sumter. it could have easily been talked down and agreements made. especially in that time period, this was a nothing burger.the fact that Lincoln used it as casus belli means he wanted it to begin with. otherwise he'd have convened representatives from the states to discuss the issue.
Anybody know a good book about this topic that isn't reddit-tier "good guys fought bad guys" but also isn't some schizo retard babble about how Abraham Lincoln was secretly a reptilian jew?
You can say what you want about Lincoln, but you cannot deny that he was a gigachad who didn't give a fuck
>>539132777Blacks were still banned from voting in the North, oh wait the reptubs are the good guys?
>>539131351Read the declarations of secession and the dates they occurred. >>539131586>why does everyone refuse to actually read text and speeches from the time that proves otherwise?Something tells me you haven't read the declarations of secession. Some have been posted ITT.>Lincoln literally said he'd keep slavery if it meant keeping the union togetherYes, because it was about slavery for the South, not Lincoln.>it was over economics and power massing up north.This isn't true. At the time of secession, the last time there wasn't a Southerner or Southern sympathizer as president was 1829. And tariffs were at historic lows due to the Tariff of 1857.>the attack on Fort Sumter had a single casualtyCompletely irrelevant. The South had no right to attack and seize federal property regardless. And an American president cannot just tolerate insurrectionists attacking his country and military.
>>539131646Not an argument. And you don't have a right to own people.>>539132212>Secession was over slaveryCorrect. And then they started the Civil War by illegally attacking and seizing federal property. Hence, the South betrayed their nation and fought the Civil War over slavery.>Lincoln killing 650,000That is the fault of the South for starting the war. >if they submitted to his authorityWhich simply was rejoining the Union. However, these crazed traitors thought they were going to win the war, so they ignored his overtures.
>>539133458slavery's one of the oldest institutions in the world you're going to have to do better than "you don't have the right"
>>539133528I regret to inform you that you will have to pick your own cotton from now on, you fat fuck.
>>539133704source?
>>539132419It was never the position of Buchanan or Lincoln to abandon Southern forts. The former had a few traitors in his orbit, but believed in reinforcing them in case of an attack.>>539132454It was about slavery for the South, not Lincoln.
>>539133800Buchanan literally said "the retarded faggot in sumter is there against my direct orders and policy"
>>539132521>The south didn't start the warYes they did. The South attacked the Union first.>Yankees pretend that they were noble heroes fighting to protect the poor blacksThey fought to preserve the Union and in doing so, also ended the evil of slavery and indentured servitude. >The federal government has a right to kill youNope. The lesson of the Civil War is that insurrectionists can't just arbitrarily declare their independence from the nation and attack its military positions because they lose an election and worry that slavery might be abolished.
>>539132670For himself, that's true. For the South, it was wholly about slavery.>>539133528Appeal to antiquity isn't a logical argument.
>>539132521>the south purposefully never invaded the northThe most famous battle of the war took place in Pennsylvania.
>>539124502Why does the goymutt denied that it was rothchild generations did this?
>>539130252Yes the confederates were the good guys and they did nothing bad. Thats true on 4chan and everywhere else. This isnt a discussion about how communism is wonderful where shitlibs must lie even among their own kind out of fear their lies might be exposed.
>>539133881Not true. When like Lincoln, he thought the CSA were rational actors, he briefly thought about negotiating over their status (this doesn't mean give the South total control) but realized the best way was to reinforce because they were eventually going to be attacked.
nick tells the truth simple as
>>539124502because you still get debanked for admitting it was about white supremacy and that was a good thing
>>539132521the south won culturally during the time of Woodrow Wilson
>>539124502Wasn't it about the Confederate states seceding from the union? Which they of course did because of slavery. But the Union did not attack the Confederacy to end slavery. It attacked to preserve the Union.
>>539136661Yet neo-Confederates hate Wilson even though every contemporary Southerner loved him.
>>539136661>Hollywood's biggest and most famous movie was about the north sucking assJews are taking every step on the face on their way down the stairs
>>539137037The time of wilson does not mean wilson did it. The turn of the century was a time where culturally everyone understood that mistakes were made. A much more civilized time.
>>539137037Now imagine. Elected as a Democrat president for the first time in a long time. Hollywood is making KKK movies. And you oversee the creation federal reserve and create income taxes
Slavery didn't matter as much as you think. Marginal issue. Only today you put some huge importance on slavery amd blacks
>>539137678Did you actually read the book, or just baseded out at the title page?
>>539137678Civili3ation:3
>>539133458>illegally attacking and seizing federal propertyThe north was forbidden from arming their fort. They did it anyway. The attack was because the north essentially declared war by breaking their agreement and continuing to stack military-level armaments in the fort
>>539124502It was over state rights.State rights to own niggers.
>>539124502Because it straight up wasn't. Slavery was on the way out anyways. It was about the North telling the South what to do and economically dominating it, politically dominating, evident in several issues.Saying it was about slavery is basically the most superficial, surface level understanding of the entire thing. Neglects all the key issues. Nobody would cause a civil war over something that was already massively becoming obsolete with the industrial revolution underway and the cotton gin already invented, reducing needed labor.
>>539134053>They fought to preserve the UnionAnd the only thing they accomplished was destroying the south. What used to he a great civilization is now a bombed backward, destroyed place. They didn't preserve anything only destroyed.>insurrectionists can't just arbitrarily declare their independence from the nationBut according the constitution they can. The constitution is a contract between states. The states are sovereign.
>>539130048Weird how niggers always have endless excuses for why they fucking suck when even the African countries that were never colonized are in the same boat.
>>539138189We're more like disgruntled clients
>>539136995It wasn't about slavery. It was because the north was totally out-voting the south in congress with their larger population and passing huge taxes on southern exports. Most of the government was funded by the south despite getting basically no representation in congress.People back then didn't care about blacks. The sanctity of blacks is a modern thing. That was a totally marginal issue back then.
>>539130048Haiti is still a nigger shithole and always will be because it's niggers.
>>539138053>The north was forbidden from arming their fort. They did it anyway. The attack was because the north essentially declared war by breaking their agreementThere was no agreement and insurrectionists had no place to tell the federal government what to do.
>>539133528yep, and we didturns out when you secede from civilization, all sorts of new options are suddenly on the table
>>539138357>We need to mass import micks to beat the south!Where have I heard that one before
They were adding states our west to ourvote the sourh on issue. Sourh seceded because they absically always agreed on 50/50 then the north started ursurping the govt.It had nothing to do with slavery. Actually ending slavery was a post war way to take power away from the south which is why europe helped the north cause they wanted to weakend americs in general.Free nigger fought for the south, it wasn’t “for slavery”.Fucking retards
>>539124502Imagine thinking 250,000 white men from the 1800s decided one day to kiss their families goodbye to go die for niggers.
>>539138130It wasn't becoming obsolete. You are either ignorant or lying. The South spent the entire period after the Mexican-American War looking to expand slavery to the new American territories and attempt to annex new ones, such as Cuba.
>>539138489>They were adding states our west to ourvote the sourh on issue.yes, and?you have the right to vote, but you can never have the right to win
>>539124502It wasn't. The whole free the slaves thing was Lincoln making the war appealing to the northerners. He started the war to keep the states from receding and thus weakening the Union and opening it up to foreign infiltration. States cannot and will not be allowed to recede. They can talk all they want about it. They can even vote on it. But if they try they will have the full force of the Fed push their shit in. Looking at you Nor Cal
>>539138189>And the only thing they accomplished was destroying the south. What used to he a great civilization is now a bombed backward, destroyed placeIt was always like that. Mass poverty, illiteracy, racial discrimination and wealthy elites who looked down on the 99%.>But according the constitution they canThe Constitution never allowed for arbitrary secession. All of the Founders explicitly believed in perpetual unionism, including James Madison, the chief author.
>>539138357this. slavery was just a "thing" back then - all over the world, not just in the USA. it wasn't a main focus but Lincoln knew that he couldn't get what he wanted if he didn't include slavery abolition.
>>539138357Again, completely false. Tariffs were at historic lows in 1860 because of the Tariff of 1857. And every president since John Quincy Adams was either a Southerner or sympathetic to the South.
>>539126382Are you really retarded or a lying Jew>Be African>My Tribe fights my cousins Tribe>My cousin wins and sells me I to slaveryMy people don’t exist anymore….Fucking retard American blacks today have more in common with Africans than Whites.Another solution is send them all back and now they have people there.The real solution is? Send them to Israel and make them take them under human rights laws and threats.
question for dixies: what if the negros were counted as 0/5ths and Yanks said "white supremacy lets go"?
>>539138596Democrats historically always loved Monarchy and Tsarism.Davis for example.This is why Lincoln was so great
>>539138489>They were adding states our westIt was the Democrats, led by Southerner James Polk who started the Mexican-American war to acquire new territories. And these new territories, as well as Kansas and Nebraska wanted nothing to do with slavery. That isn't the fault of the North. >>539138549Unfortunately, many Southern boys did just that.
>>539138664>It wasn't.It was for the South.>the war appealing to the northernersFreeing slaves was not popular in the North.
>>539138561Yeah it was, if it was becoming increasingly industrialized. Cotton became proftiable again because of the cotton gin, but all that means is that a reduction in labor leads to increased profits. With the industrial revolution well underway, the incentive and future is to increase the mechanization of farming (already happening) which will lead to even MORE profitability over stagnation, so it's easy to see where this is going.The other thing is consider if it even WAS about slavery. WHY would it be about slavery then? Because the South's economy is based on cotton. So if the North is going to tell the South they can't produce the one thing their economies are heavily dependent on, then the North can force them into poverty. You can literally substitute this with any other product and you can see it's actually not about slavery.While the North is industrialized so you're talking about complete economic dominance and forcing the South to buy Northern products over importing goods, something they feared would be like an exploitative monopoly. There are other issues like new States saying the government was not adequately protecting them, the fact the North was inciting an anti-Slavery movement many feared could lead to a Haitian type of revolution and mass slaughter that happened just 50 years ago or so, etc. But it fundamentally boils down to the issue of economic and political dominance.
>>539124502https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corwin_Amendment
>Civil War wasn't about Slavery>Southerners were based and more traditional than decadent North>It's our heritage and PROUD of it>Let's spend millions making statues of Confederate leaders>...At some point if you press them hard enough:>THE CONFEDERATES WERE DEMOCRATS>CONFEDERATES WANTED TO OWN PEOPLE LIKE DEMOCRATS WANT TO OWN ILLEGALSThey still claim thats the heritage they're proud of, and will swear on their life to defend it
>>539138967Also following the Civil War, the South was rebuilt under heavy government subsidy, especially in the early 1900s, when it was developed to a modern standard. I don't remember that being on the table back then. Agriculture vs. industry is already enough a divide to see what was going on.
>>539124502It was about economics and slavery was just part of it. The South grew all the cotton and the North made all the money by turning it into textiles and exporting it. By abolishing slavery, the South thought would have been at an even bigger disadvantage. Also the North had more power than the South, so whatever the North wanted, they got. The North even had Russia threaten European countries not to aid the South in the war, lest Russia attack them.
>>539138811yep, the Democrat party has always been the authoritarian party, all the way back to its founding by Andrew "Trail of Tears" Jacksonits entire primary process was designed to promote tyrants smart enough to pretend to be more libertarian than anyone else, and often successfully
>>539139083it still is, and always will beneither party will ever switch sides on anything because both believe themselves right
>>539134053>an involuntary union>agree with us or we'll kill youInteresting idea. How is that consistent with all the usual american talk about liberty?
>>539127349who’s unbiased?
>>539138699>All of the Founders explicitly believed*in no taxation without representation.Which is the predicament the south was in.>>539138739And then Lincoln got elected planning to raise them right back up again. The south had enough of that shit.
>>539132212>>539133458>That is the fault of the South for starting the war.How did the South start the war retard? By seceding? Lincoln choose to invade. The South never attacked the North.>>539133458>Which simply was rejoining the Union. However, these crazed traitors thought they were going to win the war, so they ignored his overtures.Fuck the Union. The south didn't want to submit to Lincoln just like the colonies didn't want to obey George the third and the British you boot licking yankee faggot. Lincoln was a mad tyrant and a boy buggering sodomite and John Wilkes Booth was an American hero. Deal with it.Lincoln's memorial is covered with fascist imagery. He's literally resting his arms on fascio bundles. That's not a coincidence. Booth saved the country when he blew that faggots brains out.
>>539139350really simple, but the European mind can't comprehend government being at the mercy of the people instead of the serfs being at the mercy of their government
>>539124502>retard brown zoomer repeats high school history talking points like it's smart: the actual social media post that retards are paying attention tobrownoid, pls. you have a nigger living in your gay brain.
>>539124502Because it wasn't. Read the Emancipation Proclamation. Lincoln only and specifically freed southern slave as a punative economic measure. There was nothing high minded or noble about it. Lincoln very consistently stated that blacks are to be treated with dignity, but to always exist as a permanent underclass. There is no ambiguity about this. The war was about states rights. Slavery was ended due to mechanization. It was no longer cost effective. Those are the facts. The articles of Confederacy never mentioned slavery as a causus belli. It was exclusively about states rights and their autonomy. In fact, most honest constitutional scholars will admit that the Souths position was in line with the Construction. Basically, the north insisted that the South sell their cotton to northern mills for less money than they were getting from England and France. It was all about money and the abuse of federal authority. You sentimental retards just cannot let go of your good guy/bad guy false narratives. It's all bullshit. There was nothing noble about that horrific bloodbath in any way, shape or form. Fun fact: some of the funniest racist jokes I've ever heard are sourced from the speeches of Abe Lincoln. But whatever... believe whatever bullshit you like.
>>539124950Now this is totally true. The Jews definitely pulled out all the stops to get that war going. Jews are in back of every single white on white war. Every single one. They're trying to start another one. It never ends with these people.
>>539139542>Lincoln only and specifically freed southern slave as a punative economic measuresure, just like how ICE raids only happen in sanctuary citiesFox Butterfield here knows it all
>>539138756>cousins tribeThats not what tribes are retard. Tribal warfare isn't raiding your neighbors village or some shit, its ethnic warfare in ethnic units more granular than currently exists in most of the rest of the world because civilized societies merged tribes into nations. Its like the Franks (Germans) fucking up the Saxons (Germans) and Lombards (Germans). The American strain of nig has literally no incentive to go back to Africa. A nig in Chicago may have nothing in common with Whites, but especially after hundreds of years of seperation and hybridization, it has little in common with African nigs too.American niggers don't have a home country and have no reason to go back to Africa. Acting like going to Africa would be (for them) the smart or nationalistic choice is deluding yourself. Staying here is not retarded for them, it is for them the rational choice.Just because deporting them is the correct choice for us does not mean they are retarded to stay here.
>>539124950there were more jews in NYC than the entire southern U.S in 1860
>>539139542An intelligent post. Thanks Africa bro
>>539139542>Basically, the north insisted that the South sell their cotton to northern mills for less money than they were getting from England and France.This too. That combined with forcing the South to buy Northern goods many feared would make the South an economic colony of the North. This is similar to what the EU does to Eastern Europe.>some of the funniest racist jokes I've ever heard are sourced from the speeches of Abe LincolnPlease do source.
>>539124502The real question is when to white people get reparations for freeing the slaves?
>>539124502Nick is a Federal faggot. Everyone knows this.He dreams of big empires.He supports (((fiat currency))).He’s not a real dissident. He’s controlled opposition. If the framers said “oh by the way once you ratify the constitution there’s no leaving the union” it would have never been adopted. Three states included exit clauses in their ratification agreement, two from the north and one from the south. To say that a few men from centuries ago have a binding say over the political reality of all future generations forever is beyond retarded. To believe that sovereign states don’t have a right to determine their involvement in a political arrangement they voluntary agreed to is insane. Since it is believed by many that the union is forever, then it should be accepted the central govt can do whatever the hell it wants to you because you have no real say in anything. The constitution guarantees a Republican form of government for every state. The people are sovereign in Republican governments. Since the people are sovereign they have the ultimate say in the political affairs of their state.If the constitution is a suicide pact and can be ignored and changed at anytime for any reason then you are under tyrannical rule.
>>539140117>He supports (((fiat currency))).As did Benito Mussolini.In fact, Mussolini called Wilson the world's first fascist president.
>>539140005very intelligent until you realize he was just reversing cause and effect, to pretend to have a secret knowledge nobody else has (because it's so stupid even a child can tell it's BS)
>>539140238I don’t care for Benito. I don’t want Jewish monetary schemes that loot the wealth of my nation
>>539124502When are northerners going to admit that they would have never fought over freeing the slaves if they knew what where they would go once freed?
>>539140382I don't think those had to be connected. Could have always deported them all to Liberia for real, or sterilized them when eugenics was in favor.
>>539124502Because it wasnt that was debunked ages ago by anyone that cared to research the history. The south was much more wealthy then the north and the bankers behind Lincoln were pretty much like gibmedat.
>>539139937This is true. Sometimes people try too hard to shoehorn the JQ into situations where it doesn't work. For every jewish slaver there were several more opposed to it. Karl Marx famously expressed his enthusiasm for the union cause and hoped niggers would rebel and purge the Whites to form their own state.
>>539140382right after they admit their precious illegals are all actually slaves>if you can quit your job without being hunted down and killed for quitting, you are not a slave
>>539124502It was about northern industrialists competing with the southern landed aristocracy that just so happened to rely on slavery for their economy.
>>539140486>Deport them to LiberiaI hear this a lot on here, and it is erroneousRepublicans were never going to deport the freed slaves. Why would they get rid of votes? Its like like why Democrats won't get rid of the illegals.
Civil War, the greentext>north is obsessed with the south>south is obsessed with blacks and with slavery>blacks never asked to be there>bloody war fought to free the blacks from slavery>blacks insist on staying in the country that exploited them because they make great decisionsand now we're here
>>539124502It is just outlandish to insist that 600k Whites slaughtered each other simply over niggers.
>>539125252I'm pretty sure that slavery was merely the mechanism by which some of the southern landowners made their economic gains. It was more about top down economics, for a federal government to say "no more slaving" is like today's government declaring no more manufacturing jobs
>>539140936I remember hearing about "fighting to free the slaves." as far back as the 1980s.
>>539140936yes, because that's a liethe reality is much worse, and the Confederates guilty of so much more
>>539141020Get rid of the slaves and you obliterate the southern economy and they have to rely on the north more and more. The south goes from rival to dependent
>>539140680There were movements that wanted it. Thats besides the point though. You are saying they wouldn't do it. I am saying they didn't do it, and if they really didn't want nigs spreading across the country they could have done it. Our statements aren't even in conflict with each other.
>>539141112Eli Whitney saved the South, and just like Elon Musk today, the Democrats will never forgive him for it
>>539124502Because admitting to it is a political poison pill, idiotic white northerners, kikes, and shitskins will just use it as humiliation ritual fodder. Granted the tariffs and the power struggle between New England elites and the planters had a hand in it, but slavery was the sticking point. That said, the narrative prior to the Jewish revisionism in the 60s has been that the civil war was a mistake, which is absolutely fucking was, and that both sides should reconcile. And now the official line is that "Le Righteous Norf paid off some of their white guilt blood debt but not really fighting to save the black man who built America" while in dissident circles Northern whites insist on just shitting on the South forever as though that's gonna win them friends and influence.
>>539141242>just like Elon Musk todaySo that furry faggot must've put those murals up to her, right? It's been a year.Can we hop on the hyperloop and check them out?
>>539140616This is not true. Marx was an admirerer of Lincoln because he ran a strong centralized government that cracked down on private enterprise and gave vague socialist-sounding speeches.>"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration">~Lincoln
>>539124502The American Revolution was also about slavery. In 1775, slavery became illegal in Britain. The Virginian slaveowners realized it wouldn't be long before slavery was banned in the British American colonies, so they linked up with the Boston rabblerousers who were pissed off the fake "colonial scrip" money they were circulating was getting confiscated by the redcoats. By 1776, when Thomas Jefferson wrote the rough draft of the Declaration of Independence, the Crown was offering slaves who murdered their White American masters full citizenship and free use of the dead master's land and house. Jefferson listed that as one of the grievance's George III had taken against them, but it was removed from the final version to keep the Bostonians on-board.
>>539131657>Nobody forced the South to base their entire economy on an evil institution, but regardless, it was under no serious threat from Lincoln before they started the war.Absolute bait or utter stupidity.
>>539141451This is true. And it was also connected to judeo-masonic ideals
>>539141416Hyperloop arrives next year. First you must order your roadster
>>539141416you'll only find them online, the Democrats have already torn them all down
>>539124502It wasn't. How many times did Lincoln have to say it? The Civil War was about secession. Secession was about slavery, but there's no transitive property.
>>539140936It's a longstanding Jewish thing to bring up the Civil War to slander whites. It goes like this:>The South hated Niggers and was really racist>The North were the good guys and the war was against Southern racism because they hated niggers because they were mean>Therefore all Whites are racist, especially southern White hillbilly rednecks who are subhuman filthThat's literally what this is.Even if that was all true, name one other race of people then, who shed their own blood to free an entire other people from slavery. Meanwhile blacks and browns practice slavery to this very day in places like India, Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc. and the Arab world, Pakistan and other Muslim countries (a family recently was freed from indentured servitude over a multi-generational, inherited debt from the 1800's), etc. Jews are just absolutely the worst and say this while they are slaughtering Gazans, forcing them to live in concentration camps and seeking new methods of economically serfdom and enslaving the vast majority of the planet through control of capital and governments. They also wish for a Haiti style revolution against Whites to slaughter whites, using the foreigners they import and teach to hate Whites.
>>539141454or the invention of the cotton gin making slavery obsolete
>>539141591>southern White hillbilly rednecks who are subhuman filthWhich is true though ...
>>539141615Anyone who says the cotton gin made slavery obsolete is a drooling retard. It made cotton growing and thus slavery way more profitable. The slaves were picking cotton, not processing it.
>>539140936 There was an underlying conflict between New England elites who wanted to make the entire United States their economic colony and the Southern Planters who wanted to keep on getting stupid rich off of selling cotton to Britain. During the Jackson presidency, the planters basically teamed up with Midwesterners and the Mid-Atlantic states to cockblock New England. Hammering on the slavery issue was how New England split the rest of the North from the South on sectional issues and ended the supremacy of the Jacksonian Democratic Party. The conflict was about slavery but not about nigger welfare, ending slavery was just the means by which the New England merchant-industrial elite destroyed the Southern planters. Unfortunately these New England bastards unwisely funded a cabal of negrophiliac radicals in the process and propelled them to ascendency. Propping up Thaddeus Stevens and his ilk was one of the worst things they've ever done.
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>>539124950>by the jew John Wilkes Booth - confirmed by his family.Yea, those sound like some extremely judaic last names.... retard. Lincoln might as well have been a kike himself though. Certainly in spirit. He was the first authoritarian shitlib type who thought he knew better than everyone else. A very nasty fellow who trampled all over the US constitution. He suspended habeas corpus and arrested thousands of critical northerners, holding them without trial.It was a great tragedy that the South had lost. Because once niggers became obsolete they would have certainly shipped them back or you got rid of them in other ways. And after the nigger issue was no more the country would have probably reunified. Instead we are cursed with monkeys living among us to this day and getting much more uppity by the year. Thanks for that Abraham Lincolnstein!
>>539141879he was authoritarian, but so was davis. except that southern prisons were anti-human shitholes while northern ones were relatively normal.
>>539124502Death to all jews and those who serve them.
>>539141879>He suspended habeas corpus and arrested thousands of critical northerners, holding them without trialcrying over this when Davis did the same thing XD
>>539141780This leaves out much more important things, namely that most White people who were moving to what was then-called the West (anything west of the Mississippi) wanted to keep it White. They opposed slavery in the West simply because they opposed niggers in the West. "Keep the West White" was a rallying cry. A few rich slavers tried to move in with their cottonpickers, and that's how you got Bleeding Kansas. An inverse of this happened in Texas. The White Southerners who settled Texas were already used to slavery, so when the Jews brought their apes to the Mexican territory of Texas, it was accepted by the Americans, but it was illegal in Mexico to own slaves, and that's how you got the Alamo.
>>539141448>This is not true.Completely wrong.>Karl Marx famously addressed the American Civil War as a defining global struggle. He actively followed slave revolts, writing in a January 1860 letter to Friedrich Engels that "the biggest things that are happening in the world today" were the movement of the serfs in Russia and the movement of the slaves in America initiated by John Brown.>In his 1864 letter, Marx celebrated that the Union's cry of "Death to Slavery" had swept away the barrier that had previously divided white and Black workers. He famously argued that labor with a white skin could never be truly free as long as labor with a black skin was branded.
>>539141982Be quiet poopjeet, no one asked for your brown opinion. Two wrongs don't make a right. Davis acting like a kike doesn't excuse Lincoln's kikery. States had the right to get out of the nigger loving union though.
Ironically,The South was the "Jewish" side of the war.It's why they assassinated Lincoln. He tried to end the banks and Jewish control over money.And tried to end Jewish slavery business.VICE PRESIDENT of The South was Jewish, he was the president's actual handler, who was a Rothschild Puppet.The South was more Jewish than any of you know. Lincoln's assassin WAS JEWISH he wrote "memoirs" about "attending synagogue with his father"
>>539143182Examples:Vice President: Jewish.Secretary of War: Jewish.Attorney General: Jewish.Secretary of State: Jewish.So-called "Brains of the Confederacy" Judah P Benjamin: Jewish.
>>539124502>Why Do Southerners Still Refuse to Admit the Civil War Was Over Slavery?Because it wasn't. At best the civil war wouldn't have happened if not for slavery.Although it nearly happened decades earlier over tariffs. And decades before that over the War of 1812, and decades before that over the Alien and Sedition Acts/Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions.The American Civil War was fought to maintain Northern control of southern resources, markets, and territory. Anyone who claims otherwise is retarded.
>>539143358It was all the same Jew!
